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B'sCeltsPatsSox
04-19-2014, 03:00 PM
GAME 1:




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Location: Bankers Life Fieldhouse
Time: 7:00 PM EST

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Jeff Teague - Kyle Korver - Demarre Carroll - Paul Milsap - Pero Antic



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George Hill – Lance Stephenson – Paul George – David West – Roy Hibbert





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Stunner
04-19-2014, 03:28 PM
Any one think the Hawks shock the world ?

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 05:49 PM
Any one think the Hawks shock the world ?

I know the Pacers have had their troubles but I still think it will be a sweep.

Stunner
04-19-2014, 05:52 PM
I know the Pacers have had their troubles but I still think it will be a sweep.

Season series is tied up but it is the regular season . But I think this series goes 6 or 7

True Sports Fan
04-19-2014, 07:13 PM
I think Hawks would have a legitimate shot if Horford was healthy

True Sports Fan
04-19-2014, 07:17 PM
Millsap for three and 1. Giving the Hawks too many chances

Minimal
04-19-2014, 07:23 PM
The same regular season pacers ain't going anywhere like that. Hawks are playing really good lately.

kdspurman
04-19-2014, 07:24 PM
It's unfortunate Horford is hurt. Coach Bud has this team playing so well.

Crackadalic
04-19-2014, 07:27 PM
It's unfortunate Horford is hurt. Coach Bud has this team playing so well.

I've been impress with the coach. Had them play team ball

KnicksorBust
04-19-2014, 07:27 PM
2nd most lopsided series in the playoffs.

ManRam
04-19-2014, 07:33 PM
I really felt the Pacers could flip the switch. Off to a slow start. I still think they make light-work of this series and give the Heat a run eventually.

Also, I love Doris Burke.

ManRam
04-19-2014, 07:34 PM
Doris just dropped TRB%!

:worthy:

But she's a lady so herp derp she sucks

mjt20mik
04-19-2014, 07:45 PM
I think the Hawks could push this to seven. I don't see the Pacers making it out of the 2nd round if they go up against the Bulls.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 08:08 PM
The Hawks are hanging around!

YoungOne
04-19-2014, 08:08 PM
burke is just so annoying -.-

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 08:12 PM
All tied up at the Half.

leprechaun5
04-19-2014, 08:35 PM
This Pacers team isn't looking good , i know they can win the game and the series because they're playing the hawks but they're going nowhere if they don't find a way to score the ball (and i don't see them finding)

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 08:37 PM
I love the way this Hawks team is playing basketball right now. They're just playing unselfish and playing great team defense. Simmons was right at halftime. Hibbert is just getting flat outplayed right now by Pero Antic. And what a great start to the third quarter.

I'm a little disappointed by Indiana. They still have time to pull this out. But after all the negative attention they've gotten for poor play over the last month or two, you think they would have come out with more intensity to prove the doubters wrong. If anything, they're just giving credence to everything the doubters have said.

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 08:39 PM
You've got to give it to Paul George, though. He's really kept Indiana in this game.

True Sports Fan
04-19-2014, 08:39 PM
Antic and West getting into it.

c.c.
04-19-2014, 08:41 PM
West dont want it with Antic

KobeOwnSU
04-19-2014, 08:45 PM
Teague was nasty right there.

True Sports Fan
04-19-2014, 08:45 PM
Teague is underrated as ****

DillyDill
04-19-2014, 08:47 PM
My goodness Jeff is having a field daaaayyy on hill

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 08:47 PM
Teague is just completely taking over in the third. That's 9 straight points not just for Atlanta, but for Teague.

goku
04-19-2014, 08:47 PM
hibbert is horrrrribleeeee

KobeOwnSU
04-19-2014, 08:49 PM
Damn **** getting a little ridiculous haha

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 08:50 PM
Lol the implosion of the Pacer is just comical. I really hope they pull it together cuz this is just sad.

leprechaun5
04-19-2014, 08:53 PM
Hibbert is a disgrace

goingfor28
04-19-2014, 08:54 PM
Loooool this is great

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 08:54 PM
I know teague was a good player but he is making a name for himself, this does not look like a pacer team determined to win a ring.

*Silver&Black*
04-19-2014, 08:55 PM
I'm more excited as a Hawks fan for this team than any of the #3/4 seeded teams we have had in the past. One reason, no Josh Smith. Secondly, Coach Bud.

Just imagine if Horford was healthy.

Slug3
04-19-2014, 08:57 PM
Teague is playing fantastic.

AddiX
04-19-2014, 08:58 PM
I said all season, pacers mesSed up when they didn't go get Rondo.

Smh, he was perfect for them.

Instead they traded granger and went after Scola. Should of just went for Rondo, he would of fixed all of this nonsense.

On the bright side, good to see Atl shining, I'm enjoying watching Teague a lot.

Slug3
04-19-2014, 08:58 PM
Paul George so far is just free falling in his decline.

KobeOwnSU
04-19-2014, 09:00 PM
Hawks playing hard.

Slug3
04-19-2014, 09:00 PM
I said all season, pacers mesSed up when they didn't go get Rondo.

Smh, he was perfect for them.

Instead they traded granger and went after Scola. Should of just went for Rondo, he would of fixed all of this nonsense.

On the bright side, good to see Atl shining, I'm enjoying watching Teague a lot.

Who would they have traded for rondo? Would it have been Granger? Was that an offer or was there an offer that was close to happening?

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 09:00 PM
I'm more excited as a Hawks fan for this team than any of the #3/4 seeded teams we have had in the past. One reason, no Josh Smith. Secondly, Coach Bud.

Just imagine if Horford was healthy.

I really liked this Hawks team as a top 5 seed going into the season. I loved the Millsap/Horford frontcourt with Teague running the point and Korver nailing 3s. Even without Horford, they're a tough out in the first round. When he comes back next season, that Atlanta team could be seriously scary in the Eastern Conference. I think they're still maybe one piece away, but this is a superior basketball team on paper than they ever had with Smoove on the roster.

still1ballin
04-19-2014, 09:00 PM
How does hibbert suck so bad?

ThaDubs
04-19-2014, 09:00 PM
Pacers are such a fail as is Paul George. I still see people almost every day saying he's the best SF in the NBA and that he should be a 1st team ANBA selection. **** no

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:01 PM
Maybe trading Green, Plumlee and a future first for Scola was not that good of an idea. So far in this game he is 0-5 with double digit differential which mean he is giving up points when he is on the floor against the Hawks.

Pacers down by double digit but there is still time as I am rooting for them to upend the Heat. No other team in the East can....

Stop messing around and win this game!

mdm692
04-19-2014, 09:01 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Lance ended in ATL. He would be a great fit for them.

ThaDubs
04-19-2014, 09:02 PM
Not sure what happened to PG and Hibbert, but I seriously think something did happen during ASG.

mdm692
04-19-2014, 09:02 PM
Maybe trading Green, Plumlee and a future first for Scola was not that good of an idea. So far in this game he is 0-5 with double digit differential which mean he is giving up points when he is on the floor against the Hawks.

Pacers down by double digit but there is still time as I am rooting for them to upend the Heat. No other team in the East can....

Stop messing around and win this game!

Yes it was. . .for us :p.

Riodagoat
04-19-2014, 09:03 PM
Pacers such a disgrace. Hilarious.

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:03 PM
What is the odds of everyone posting at the top of the hour, strange.

mdm692
04-19-2014, 09:03 PM
Not sure what happened to PG and Hibbert, but I seriously think something did happen during ASG.
Monstars took their powers.

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 09:03 PM
Not saying this will happen as it is too early to tell but if the Pacers don't make it past the first round what can we really even make of this team.

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 09:04 PM
Paul George so far is just free falling in his decline.

George isn't having a great game, but he's at least been somewhat productive and keeping them in games. I'm more disappointed in Hibbert post All-Star break than George. All George has done was revert back to his previous level of production, but Hibbert has looked like a below average staring center at times, and he's certainly looked that way tonight. 2 points, 6 rebounds and 3 turnovers against a team starting Pero Antic is inexcusable.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:05 PM
No matter what happens from here on out I apologize to the Hawks.

*Silver&Black*
04-19-2014, 09:05 PM
I really liked this Hawks team as a top 5 seed going into the season. I loved the Millsap/Horford frontcourt with Teague running the point and Korver nailing 3s. Even without Horford, they're a tough out in the first round. When he comes back next season, that Atlanta team could be seriously scary in the Eastern Conference. I think they're still maybe one piece away, but this is a superior basketball team on paper than they ever had with Smoove on the roster.

I think we need more scoring at the SF position and a legit back-up center. Bring Horford back, possibly draft that scoring wing, and sign a back-up center, Hawks should look good.

AddiX
04-19-2014, 09:06 PM
Who would they have traded for rondo? Would it have been Granger? Was that an offer or was there an offer that was close to happening?

I dunno what it would of been, but if I was the pacers I would of dome whatever I had to, to get a player like Rondo. He could run the offense with his eyes closed, and get everyone easy shots, he would give them some real energy, and D up, along with help in the boards.

It was a perfect fit IMO.

I guess they could of traded granger, and packaged what they gave up for freaking scola (1st rnd pick, Plumee, green) and maybe throw something else in, I dunno. But they should went hard for Rondo.

BirdIsTheWord
04-19-2014, 09:06 PM
Haha, starting off with an air ball.

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:07 PM
The Pacers will make it past the first round, that is little chance they can muster 4 wins against INDY. The question is why do they want to stretch this series any longer than it needs to. ATL don't have the talent nor experience other than Teague, they should wipe them out. HIbbs and Scola is not doing anything useful in this game, why?????!?!??!?

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:07 PM
The crowd sure is nervous.

zn23
04-19-2014, 09:08 PM
Hibbert sucks...

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:10 PM
Hibbert is a max player, he should play like one..:(

BirdIsTheWord
04-19-2014, 09:10 PM
Pacers need an upgrade at point guard.

AddiX
04-19-2014, 09:10 PM
What you see in the pacers is the danger of having a team with no real ball handler to get things going, to open shots up for guys, to push the ball up court. George hill isn't that guy. And Paul George has never been good enough to just take games over.

This don't even feel like a playoff game tbh.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:12 PM
This is unbelievable, not that Hawks are winning but with how effortless it looks.

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:13 PM
How can Hibbert let a point guard score against him under the basket time and time again? He must be hurt :(

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 09:13 PM
SMH, PG is a good player but they putting him as a top 3 player earlier in the season. He looks like a top 8 player, after the 1st half of the season.

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 09:13 PM
Hibbert is a max player, he should play like one..:(

I hated that contract, and I think that deal may ultimately cost them big in the long run.

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 09:14 PM
They need to hurry this game, gotta see the thunder vs grizzlies!

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:14 PM
Maybe the next game will be closer!

likemystylez
04-19-2014, 09:14 PM
It looks like the pacers are just phoning this one in

goingfor28
04-19-2014, 09:14 PM
Too bad the Bobcats didn't get the Pacers

Rhino
04-19-2014, 09:16 PM
NBA fans galore should be ashamed of what this sorry excuse of a sport has turned out to be specifically in the Eastern conference seriously Pacers this is the effort we get from ya...wow just an totally lack of everything. I do apologize for not giving the Hawks credit hell they are doing what they need to do but with this kind of defense what team couldn't handle the Pacers.

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:16 PM
I hated that contract, and I think that deal may ultimately cost them big in the long run.

Trading Miles Plumlee, Green and a future first for a has been that Houston amnestied just to get rid of him could be their downfall. Miles plays better than Hibbs and would be nice to have him stepped in now if he was still on the team instead of being a starter for another team.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:17 PM
Too bad the Bobcats didn't get the Pacers

I know :(

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 09:17 PM
This game is done Pacers body language shows they are already out of it

AddiX
04-19-2014, 09:17 PM
I've never seen a team in the history of the NBA fall off like the pacers.

Larry bird was the greatest gm ever.
Vogel next HOF coach.
George was the next Kobe.
Hibbert best center in the NBA.
Top defensive team in the NBA.

Few months later, Hawks toying with them in the playoffs. This is crazy.

*Silver&Black*
04-19-2014, 09:18 PM
If only we had Ivan Johnson still to pair up with Antic.

c.c.
04-19-2014, 09:18 PM
Melo wouldn't be bad fit with this Atlanta team

BirdIsTheWord
04-19-2014, 09:18 PM
This is embarrassing.

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:19 PM
It looks like the pacers are just phoning this one in

Looks can be deceiving but there is no way ATL winning 4 games against this team. Their our only hope to knocking out the Heat or wear them out. PG look rattled :(

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:19 PM
I've never seen a team in the history of the NBA fall off like the pacers.

Larry bird was the greatest gm ever.
Vogel next HOF coach.
George was the next Kobe.
Hibbert best center in the NBA.
Top defensive team in the NBA.

Few months later, Hawks toying with them in the playoffs. This is crazy.

Well I may have been right about a sweep, just had the wrong team!:speechless:

c.c.
04-19-2014, 09:19 PM
I've never seen a team in the history of the NBA fall off like the pacers.

Larry bird was the greatest gm ever.
Vogel next HOF coach.
George was the next Kobe.
Hibbert best center in the NBA.
Top defensive team in the NBA.

Few months later, Hawks toying with them in the playoffs. This is crazy.

None of this is true

Sadds The Gr8
04-19-2014, 09:20 PM
Pacers are pathetic.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:21 PM
None of this is true

psd would have tried to make us believe it at one point in time this season.

Vampirate
04-19-2014, 09:21 PM
Wtf is happening to Indy, they are getting blown out to a team that really has no business being in the playoffs other than being in the East.

mdm692
04-19-2014, 09:21 PM
Melo wouldn't be bad fit with this Atlanta team
Melo and Lance on this team = :worthy:.
Teague-Lance-Melo-Horford-Antic

eDush
04-19-2014, 09:22 PM
Larry Bird is a good GM. This game was due to unpreparedness and overconfident against an inferior playoffs opponent. They will not lose this series, no way!

Crackadalic
04-19-2014, 09:22 PM
I was never scared of Indy even from last year but damn this is beyond horrible for a number 1 seed

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:23 PM
Hibbert barreled down the lane like a transfer truck.

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 09:24 PM
I have a feeling hibbert is gonna have another interesting press conference.

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 09:26 PM
Larry Bird is a good GM. This game was due to unpreparedness and overconfident against an inferior playoffs opponent. They will not lose this series, no way!

I see no reason why the Pacers shouldn't be prepared they played like crap down the stretch of the reg season. So there should of been nothing but preparation for the upcoming series. Overconfident for what its not like they've been dominating the Hawks

Slug3
04-19-2014, 09:26 PM
None of this is true

I think it was like 2 years ago or something but some writer wrote about how Lebron didn't need to worry about KD overtaking him but Paul George overtaking him for the best player. I was shocked when I read that.

mightybosstone
04-19-2014, 09:27 PM
Yeah, I still think it's way too early to suggest the Pacers are going to lose this series or can't make the ECF. But the Hawks are not going to be a cake walk, and Indy is pacing an uphill battle the rest of the way. Game 2 is absolutely a must win game for the Pacers now.

kdspurman
04-19-2014, 09:28 PM
Melo and Lance on this team = :worthy:.
Teague-Lance-Melo-Horford-Antic

Idk if Melo/Lance are guys that would fully buy/fit into Bud's system. They're trying to emulate the Spurs system and also their culture. They just play the right way, lots of ball movement.

NBA_Starter
04-19-2014, 09:29 PM
Teague got hammered but no call!

AddiX
04-19-2014, 09:29 PM
There's only one thing the pacers can do...


Free Copeland....

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 09:29 PM
No ball movement for the pacers, there playing for themselves. This would not slip with greg popovich.

Rhino
04-19-2014, 09:29 PM
Anyone trying to say that this Pacer's team are going to even spit in the direction of the Heat have lost their ever loving mind with the way they have been playing. The Heat couldn't even reach 60 wins in the NBA's disgusting excuse of an eastern conference probably the worst I have ever seen the eastern conference I say again wow...

siix
04-19-2014, 09:29 PM
very shocked and disappointed to see this happen to the pacers...thought they might turn it around in the playoffs very sad....what the hell happened to this team?

*Silver&Black*
04-19-2014, 09:33 PM
Korver blocked Hibbert. lol

BirdIsTheWord
04-19-2014, 09:33 PM
Lance playing himself out of a big pay day.

RipCity32
04-19-2014, 09:33 PM
Bynum had to of nailed these guys wives or something. This is just crazy how a team can go from being so dominant for half of a season to garbage for the rest of it.

Slug3
04-19-2014, 09:34 PM
Home court advantage has been overrated so far this playoffs.

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 09:34 PM
My problem with this Pacer team is that if they viewed every team like they viewed the Heat we would see a much better Pacer team. Only against the heat though do they consistently get it together.

zn23
04-19-2014, 09:34 PM
Hibbert actually sucks... Totally overrated.

COOLbeans
04-19-2014, 09:34 PM
I think the pacers will lose this series

Crackadalic
04-19-2014, 09:36 PM
I think they miss granger. Probably the big brother in the locker room and since the trade it's been ****

Ill21
04-19-2014, 09:36 PM
It makes me so happy seeing lance stephenson struggle

COOLbeans
04-19-2014, 09:37 PM
Score another win for the away team

AddiX
04-19-2014, 09:38 PM
This was suppose to be the year the pacers made a real push for the ship.

The perfect piece was rightt there, Rondo, instead, They they adding Evans, Scola, Bynum, Copeland.


Think about that. I've said it for years, if your team rather save $, or is not willing to take chances to go all in on a game changing player, than you don't deserve the ring. Pacers thought they were a finished product because they pushed the Heat to 7. Smh

mdm692
04-19-2014, 09:40 PM
Idk if Melo/Lance are guys that would fully buy/fit into Bud's system. They're trying to emulate the Spurs system and also their culture. They just play the right way, lots of ball movement.

I think Lance would fit in just fine but I do agree on Melo. It's all a matter of him giving it 100% on both ends of the floor. He CAN pass the ball, just chooses not to, but when he is fully committed with a good scheme around him he is a top 5 player. It would just be a matter of having him buy in to the system.

sens#11fan
04-19-2014, 09:42 PM
I'm pretty sure hasheem thabeet could put up the same stats as hibber, for a lot cheaper.

JC_
04-19-2014, 09:43 PM
My problem with this Pacer team is that if they viewed every team like they viewed the Heat we would see a much better Pacer team. Only against the heat though do they consistently get it together.

I agree that they probably don't prepare for other teams the way they prepare for the Heat but they were still 1st in the east and this was one game.

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 09:46 PM
I agree that they probably don't prepare for other teams the way they prepare for the Heat but they were still 1st in the east and this was one game.

True it's just one game and it wouldn't be alarming at all but it seems to me the Pacers are carrying their dismal stretch of the regular season into the playoffs which is an issue.

mjt20mik
04-19-2014, 09:51 PM
wow.. all i have to say is wow

GiantsSwaGG
04-19-2014, 09:55 PM
Hawks in 6

BirdIsTheWord
04-19-2014, 09:57 PM
I think Pacers will still take the series but I have them losing to the Bulls in the 2nd.

kdspurman
04-19-2014, 10:00 PM
I think Lance would fit in just fine but I do agree on Melo. It's all a matter of him giving it 100% on both ends of the floor. He CAN pass the ball, just chooses not to, but when he is fully committed with a good scheme around him he is a top 5 player. It would just be a matter of having him buy in to the system.

Yea.. Definitely. Just needs strong leadership around him. Lance would be interesting for them. It'll be interesting to see what they do next season. If Horford is healthy they probably are playing game 1 at home

hoosiercubsfan
04-19-2014, 10:01 PM
Question now is does this team rebound and finally wake their ***** up out of the funk they have been in? Or do they just implode further and get blown up? Vogel will be run out of town if they lose out in the first round. I can't wait to see which Pacer team shows up for game 2 one that they will absolutely have to win.

hoosiercubsfan
04-19-2014, 10:04 PM
Yea.. Definitely. Just needs strong leadership around him. Lance would be interesting for them. It'll be interesting to see what they do next season. If Horford is healthy they probably are playing game 1 at home

Lance is a favorite of Bird's. It would literally shock me to see them let him get out of town. They will move other pieces before they are unable to afford him. Hopefully that starts with George Hill.

Hardaway Here
04-19-2014, 10:04 PM
Question now is does this team rebound and finally wake their ***** up out of the funk they have been in? Or do they just implode further and get blown up? Vogel will be run out of town if they lose out in the first round. I can't wait to see which Pacer team shows up for game 2 one that they will absolutely have to win.

I place the blame on the players more then Vogel, but they will blame it on him for not being able to reign them in. I still feel like if they do lose the first round he might be gone as a scapegoat.

torocan
04-19-2014, 10:08 PM
I think folks are underestimating what a bad match up the Hawks as currently constructed are for the Pacers.

Antic is the anti-Hibbert. He's a stretch 5 that's 6'11" and 260 pounds. He has range all the way to the 3 point line (33% 3 point shooter), which means he can drag Hibbert all the way out from the paint. Once Hibbert is moved out that far to contest, it means that it falls to the other 4 players to protect the rim.

5 perimeter shooter spacing, except they also keep rim protection since one of those shooters is the Center. This puts the Pacers at a severe disadvantage in terms of stopping drives, cuts to the basket and kick outs since the smaller guards on the Hawks can pretty much blow past the larger line up of the Pacers. Not to mention Millsap is a very solid stretch 4 (also pulling the Pacer defender way out of the paint).

Toss in that the Pacers are offensively challenged and the Hawks are using the Spurs offensive and defensive schemes (team offense with cuts, screens and player movement) and it puts the Pacers in a very difficult position.

If the Pacers were playing their best ball they should still win. However the Pacers aren't playing anywhere near the level they were playing prior to the ASG.

It is quite conceivable that the Pacers could lose this series. Whether they knew it or not, the Hawks are just a poor match up.

COOLbeans
04-19-2014, 10:09 PM
Can't see the Pacers getting by the bulls at all

leprechaun5
04-19-2014, 10:16 PM
Can't see the Pacers getting by the bulls at all

If they don't find a way to score they're not getting past the hawks

Minimal
04-19-2014, 11:02 PM
If hawks defeat pacers, they are going to ECF.

P&GRealist
04-19-2014, 11:06 PM
If hawks defeat pacers, they are going to ECF.

No, Bulls will beat them.

kdspurman
04-19-2014, 11:07 PM
I think folks are underestimating what a bad match up the Hawks as currently constructed are for the Pacers.

Antic is the anti-Hibbert. He's a stretch 5 that's 6'11" and 260 pounds. He has range all the way to the 3 point line (33% 3 point shooter), which means he can drag Hibbert all the way out from the paint. Once Hibbert is moved out that far to contest, it means that it falls to the other 4 players to protect the rim.

5 perimeter shooter spacing, except they also keep rim protection since one of those shooters is the Center. This puts the Pacers at a severe disadvantage in terms of stopping drives, cuts to the basket and kick outs since the smaller guards on the Hawks can pretty much blow past the larger line up of the Pacers. Not to mention Millsap is a very solid stretch 4 (also pulling the Pacer defender way out of the paint).

Toss in that the Pacers are offensively challenged and the Hawks are using the Spurs offensive and defensive schemes (team offense with cuts, screens and player movement) and it puts the Pacers in a very difficult position.

If the Pacers were playing their best ball they should still win. However the Pacers aren't playing anywhere near the level they were playing prior to the ASG.

It is quite conceivable that the Pacers could lose this series. Whether they knew it or not, the Hawks are just a poor match up.

Agreed on all points. It'll be interesting to see what adjustments Vogel makes going into Game 2.

Minimal
04-19-2014, 11:17 PM
No, Bulls will beat them.
I doubt that with the way Hawks are playing lately, Indiana and Bulls are quite similar teams.

JordansBulls
04-19-2014, 11:18 PM
Wow, you get blown out at home by the Hawks an 8th seeded team. Has this ever happened before in an opening game?

JordansBulls
04-19-2014, 11:19 PM
I doubt that with the way Hawks are playing lately, Indiana and Bulls are quite similar teams.

Bulls tear them up. We beat all 4 games this year.

ChiTownPacerFan
04-19-2014, 11:19 PM
I think folks are underestimating what a bad match up the Hawks as currently constructed are for the Pacers.

Antic is the anti-Hibbert. He's a stretch 5 that's 6'11" and 260 pounds. He has range all the way to the 3 point line (33% 3 point shooter), which means he can drag Hibbert all the way out from the paint. Once Hibbert is moved out that far to contest, it means that it falls to the other 4 players to protect the rim.

5 perimeter shooter spacing, except they also keep rim protection since one of those shooters is the Center. This puts the Pacers at a severe disadvantage in terms of stopping drives, cuts to the basket and kick outs since the smaller guards on the Hawks can pretty much blow past the larger line up of the Pacers. Not to mention Millsap is a very solid stretch 4 (also pulling the Pacer defender way out of the paint).

Toss in that the Pacers are offensively challenged and the Hawks are using the Spurs offensive and defensive schemes (team offense with cuts, screens and player movement) and it puts the Pacers in a very difficult position.

If the Pacers were playing their best ball they should still win. However the Pacers aren't playing anywhere near the level they were playing prior to the ASG.

It is quite conceivable that the Pacers could lose this series. Whether they knew it or not, the Hawks are just a poor match up.

I know this is the narrative, but as a Pacer fan, I can't accept it. The Hawks won 38 games this year! Other teams found a way to defend them, Vogel should be able to as well. If what you normally run doesn't work, you have to be able to adjust. I agree though, if they don't adjust, they very well might lose this series.

kdspurman
04-19-2014, 11:22 PM
Wow, you get blown out at home by the Hawks an 8th seeded team. Has this ever happened before in an opening game?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/series?series=gswdal

All-In
04-19-2014, 11:28 PM
The Pacers offense will come around as soon as their defense plays like their defense…The playoffs are all about adjustments…It’s a bad matchup..right?...Antic a stretch 5…takes Hibbert away from the basket, out on the perimeter where he slows to recover and now the wings can’t funnel the action to Hibbert which makes Teague look amazing…Instead of worrying so much about Antic or any of the bigs beating you on perimeter…you’re beating yourself…Instead of Hibbert hedging the P&R or soft show…he should sag back, do what he always does…protect the paint…be stationary and shift with the action….let the wings funnel dribble penetration to Hibbert and clog the gaps…I rather lose the series saying…we lost playing our game, its just that they got hot from 3…instead of…we lost playing out of our element, they took us out of our comfort zone…I think a simple adjustment for the Pacers will trigger their defense and in return pump up their offense….Indy should not lose this series

kobe4thewinbang
04-19-2014, 11:42 PM
Agreed on all points. It'll be interesting to see what adjustments Vogel makes going into Game 2.I will be shocked if the Pacers blow this series after they nearly beat Miami last season. I have no idea what is wrong with them.

John Walls Era
04-20-2014, 01:13 AM
Roy Hibbert really shouldn't have called out his teammates. The Pacers were playing so well and everything was going great.

Also the Paul George incidents really must have messed things up. Ever since Roy Hibbert and Paul George had that threesome, Hibbert has been playing bad.

JayW_1023
04-20-2014, 03:30 AM
Well, Roy Hibbert is kind of soft.

eDush
04-20-2014, 04:05 AM
Well, Roy Hibbert is kind of soft.

Hibbert is a big softie. Vogel like a young Rick Pitino, very smart with the playbook and knows how to run plays to take advantage of weaknesses of the opposing team. Treats players with respect but he's not a motivator so maybe that is what this team needs in times like this.

eDush
04-20-2014, 04:09 AM
I will be shocked if the Pacers blow this series after they nearly beat Miami last season. I have no idea what is wrong with them.

Their the top seed in the conference so they know how to win. They just lack focus and in need of motivation but there is no one on the bench who can do that. No vocal players other than David West.

John Walls Era
04-20-2014, 04:47 AM
Its awkward when you touched and saw each others penis (PG + RH). I bet things just aren't the same between those two. Also I have no idea why athletes want to share their women...

justinnum1
04-20-2014, 11:36 AM
Bulls tear them up. We beat all 4 games this year.

Regular season means nothing.