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LTBaByyy
04-14-2014, 08:06 PM
Monta Ellis: 19.0 PPG (.452 FG) 5.8 APG 3.6 RPG 1.7 SPG

SG ranks:

4th in PPG
8th in field goal %
3rd in APG
2nd in SPG
6th in double doubles
1st in drawn charges

Monta Ellis is 1 of 5 players that average at least 19 PPG, 5 APG, & 1.5 SPG on .450+ FG%. (Chris Paul, LeBron James, James Harden, Steph Curry)

curtcocaine
04-14-2014, 08:13 PM
Yea warriors should trade Thompson for Monta asap

Hawkeye15
04-14-2014, 08:21 PM
its so easily the weakest position in the NBA, so I guess a case might be able to be made.

Off the top of my head, SG's I would rather have:

Harden
Wade
DeRozan
Stephenson
Ginoboli

and depending on if you want to hold it against Wade that he misses a ton of games, or that Manu plays a limited role, Ellis now slides into the conversation with Matthews, Martin, or Thompson.

tredigs
04-14-2014, 08:33 PM
Dragic is also more of a SG, so add him in.

But Harden, Dragic, Wade, Derozan for sure. And about 5 others I'd rather have but he is in the debate for.

COOLbeans
04-14-2014, 08:37 PM
I'd take all of the guys mentioned in this thread before Monta. But hed be right after all of those guys.

COOLbeans
04-14-2014, 08:40 PM
Harden
Thompson
Matthews
Dragic
Wade
Derozan
Stephenson
Ginobily
(Monta)
Beal
Afflalo

TheMightyHumph
04-14-2014, 08:50 PM
Don't care where he ranks, but the young man can absolutely shoot. His dad must be very proud of him.

Hawkeye15
04-14-2014, 08:55 PM
Don't care where he ranks, but the young man can absolutely shoot. His dad must be very proud of him.

he has hovered around average efficiency his career though, so his points most time come at a replacement level player(s) same points.

His defense however is terrible. If you pair Ellis next to a large PG/SF defensive combo, he can be very effective. But he isn't a very good player at the end of the day.

still1ballin
04-14-2014, 09:50 PM
Do the LT

:dance:

LTBaByyy
04-14-2014, 10:02 PM
How many Mavs games have y'all seen?

Stats prove he is top 5
Eye test prove he is top 5

A veteran team, Rick Carlisle, and Dirk has made him game very mature

The dude makes the right plays. There are so many nights he does it's all the right things and then when Dirk is having an off night, he gets 30+ easily

He is efficient now and sacrificing for the team.

IndyRealist
04-14-2014, 10:23 PM
No, though he's better than he has been in years.

The question might be whether you'd take Wade's 52 games over Ellis' 81. I would every time, because they are selecting games for him to miss, as opposed to him missing crucial games and not having a choice.

Harden, Stephenson, Wade, Korver, Butler, Bledsoe, Matthews, Thompson, DeRozan, Hayward....

...and I'd really have to consider taking Tony Allen, Danny Green, Ray Allen, or Shaun Livingston over him.

LTBaByyy
04-14-2014, 10:33 PM
No, though he's better than he has been in years.

The question might be whether you'd take Wade's 52 games over Ellis' 81. I would every time, because they are selecting games for him to miss, as opposed to him missing crucial games and not having a choice.

Harden, Stephenson, Wade, Korver, Butler, Bledsoe, Matthews, Thompson, DeRozan, Hayward....

...and I'd really have to consider taking Tony Allen, Danny Green, Ray Allen, or Shaun Livingston over him.

lol

koreancabbage
04-14-2014, 10:35 PM
How many Mavs games have y'all seen?

Stats prove he is top 5
Eye test prove he is top 5

A veteran team, Rick Carlisle, and Dirk has made him game very mature

The dude makes the right plays. There are so many nights he does it's all the right things and then when Dirk is having an off night, he gets 30+ easily

He is efficient now and sacrificing for the team.

then you must be blind. =P

D-Leethal
04-14-2014, 10:41 PM
Saying "you'd rather have" this guy or that guy is a somewhat stupid exercise. You cannot tell me Lance Stephenson in Monta's place on the Mavs and that team is in the same position they are in right now. When has Monta ever been put in a situation that 1) actually suits his skillset and 2) has a chance to win with a guy like Dirk who allows Monta to slide back into a role he's good enough for. This isn't rocket science. How do you expect Monta to thrive next to Jennings or on some of those later GSW teams?

LTBaByyy
04-14-2014, 10:48 PM
then you must be blind. =P

Yep the NBA is blind too for voting him Western Conference player of the week

He is the perfect sidekick to Dirk and has had an amazing year.

So many media outlets have came to Dallas to write about him being one of the best SG's in the NBA and that they were wrong about him. Ex: NBA.com, Grantland, Inside Stuff, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Slam Magazine

If y'all watched more Mavs game y'all would know how big of a season Dirk and Monta are having

The role players on our team have been average or bad though which why were at the bottom with the 7th seed

But I'm not complaining, we are about to have 50 wins for the season

Hawkeye15
04-14-2014, 10:59 PM
How many Mavs games have y'all seen?

Stats prove he is top 5
Eye test prove he is top 5

A veteran team, Rick Carlisle, and Dirk has made him game very mature

The dude makes the right plays. There are so many nights he does it's all the right things and then when Dirk is having an off night, he gets 30+ easily

He is efficient now and sacrificing for the team.

seen about 10 Mavs games. He has been better than his last handful of years, but he is not a top 5 SG.

TrueFan420
04-14-2014, 11:02 PM
I've been surprised by his play for you guys but knew it was possible in a better situation like he use to have playing next to Baron. But I want to see him in the playoffs and next season before I'm ready for this convo. He can be a very useful player to have in the right situation tho.

koreancabbage
04-14-2014, 11:03 PM
Yep the NBA is blind too for voting him Western Conference player of the week

He is the perfect sidekick to Dirk and has had an amazing year.

So many media outlets have came to Dallas to write about him being one of the best SG's in the NBA and that they were wrong about him. Ex: NBA.com, Grantland, Inside Stuff, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Slam Magazine

If y'all watched more Mavs game y'all would know how big of a season Dirk and Monta are having

The role players on our team have been average or bad though which why were at the bottom with the 7th seed

But I'm not complaining, we are about to have 50 wins for the season

I'm saying you're blind because i'm saying he's the best SG.

IndyRealist
04-14-2014, 11:04 PM
Saying "you'd rather have" this guy or that guy is a somewhat stupid exercise. You cannot tell me Lance Stephenson in Monta's place on the Mavs and that team is in the same position they are in right now. When has Monta ever been put in a situation that 1) actually suits his skillset and 2) has a chance to win with a guy like Dirk who allows Monta to slide back into a role he's good enough for. This isn't rocket science. How do you expect Monta to thrive next to Jennings or on some of those later GSW teams?
No more so than saying that the "eye test" says someone is top 5, or cherrypicking stats to show and deliberately ignoring turnovers or 3pt shooting. Or for that matter, suggesting that a guy who put up more triple doubles than anyone else this season doesn't have the skillset to take over, and do better, than Monta in Dallas.

The funny part is, I -actually- like the Mavs roster. But I'm not so stuck in the last century to believe that Monta is the reason they're good.

Sadds The Gr8
04-14-2014, 11:05 PM
Nope

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 02:28 AM
How many Mavs games have y'all seen?

Stats prove he is top 5
Eye test prove he is top 5

A veteran team, Rick Carlisle, and Dirk has made him game very mature

The dude makes the right plays. There are so many nights he does it's all the right things and then when Dirk is having an off night, he gets 30+ easily

He is efficient now and sacrificing for the team.

I'm pretty sure Mavs fans hated Monta when he was with the Warriors. Now he's top 5?

rockets-fan
04-15-2014, 03:16 AM
Love what he's done this season, but top 5? Idk...
In no order:

Harden
Dragic
Derozan
Wade
Stevenson

Those are for sure the SGs I'd take over Ellis, but after them he is right there. Actually the more I think about it the closer to top 5 he gets. If say 6th for sure. Man has been balling this season.

alexander_37
04-15-2014, 04:01 AM
You guys were saying the same thing about OJ Mayo last year ... Just chill, the Mavs are irrelevant right now.

tredigs
04-15-2014, 04:11 AM
How many Mavs games have y'all seen?

Stats prove he is top 5
Eye test prove he is top 5

A veteran team, Rick Carlisle, and Dirk has made him game very mature

The dude makes the right plays. There are so many nights he does it's all the right things and then when Dirk is having an off night, he gets 30+ easily

He is efficient now and sacrificing for the team.
Probably seen him live as many times as you have on TV, and had been calling for him to be traded ~3 years before they finally pulled the trigger. And thank God they did, now we're a real team.

Minimal
04-15-2014, 04:51 AM
Harden
Wade
(Dragic)
DeRozan
Ginobili
Stephenson
Ellis

Duncan = Donkey
04-15-2014, 07:34 AM
Harden
Wade
(Dragic)
DeRozan
Ginobili
Stephenson
Ellis

I agree with this, id just switch Derozan with Manu

LTBaByyy
04-15-2014, 08:09 AM
I see y'all are saying 6th or 7th, close enough. I respect that.

:clap:

MonroeFAN
04-15-2014, 08:10 AM
No, though he's better than he has been in years.

The question might be whether you'd take Wade's 52 games over Ellis' 81. I would every time, because they are selecting games for him to miss, as opposed to him missing crucial games and not having a choice.

Harden, Stephenson, Wade, Korver, Butler, Bledsoe, Matthews, Thompson, DeRozan, Hayward....

...and I'd really have to consider taking Tony Allen, Danny Green, Ray Allen, or Shaun Livingston over him.

da fuq?

To the OP, yes he is.

MonroeFAN
04-15-2014, 08:11 AM
You guys were saying the same thing about OJ Mayo last year ... Just chill, the Mavs are irrelevant right now.

They're as relevant as the Rockets as far as I'm concerned.

LTBaByyy
04-15-2014, 08:14 AM
Probably seen him live as many times as you have on TV, and had been calling for him to be traded ~3 years before they finally pulled the trigger. And thank God they did, now we're a real team.

:facepalm:

You can't go by the past, if you do I can say Stephenson and Dragic past don't make them a top 5

We are talking about right now. Carlisle, Dirk, and a veteran team have made his game very mature and he still a playmaker plus he still puts up major stats (1 of 5 players to put up at least 19 PPG 5 APG and 1.5 SPG on .450+ FG% behind Lebron CP3 Harden and Curry

The guy is a beast

Chronz
04-15-2014, 10:21 AM
I wouldn't think so, people have overstated his resurgence, its really not that different from your typical Monta season. Dirk effect aside, hes still not very efficient, can still play erratically and is a defensive liability.

MonroeFAN
04-15-2014, 10:50 AM
^There aren't 5 SG's in the league who aren't guilty of the same thing.

KnicksorBust
04-15-2014, 11:00 AM
Monta Ellis: 19.0 PPG (.452 FG) 5.8 APG 3.6 RPG 1.7 SPG

SG ranks:

4th in PPG
8th in field goal %
3rd in APG
2nd in SPG
6th in double doubles
1st in drawn charges

Monta Ellis is 1 of 5 players that average at least 19 PPG, 5 APG, & 1.5 SPG on .450+ FG%. (Chris Paul, LeBron James, James Harden, Steph Curry)

Below:
James Harden
Dwyane Wade
(Kobe Bryant)
Goran Dragic
Klay Thompson

On the same tier:
Arron Afflalo
Demar Derozan
Lance Stephenson
Bradley Beal
Wes Matthews

I'd probably put him around 8.

D-Leethal
04-15-2014, 11:10 AM
Shouldn't Bledsoe be considered the SG on PHX? Am I missing something there?

D-Leethal
04-15-2014, 11:13 AM
Monta puts way more pressure on the defense, forces guys to rotate and scramble way more than half those jump shooting specialists mentioned (who need to feed off a penetrating playmaker like Monta to get theirs). That type of stuff gets ignored on here though in favor of TS%.

I'd put him around 6 for this season. Its impossible who "I would rather have" because that completely depends on who else is already on your team. If you have a team full of jump shooters I'd take Monta over the SG jump shooters. If you already have penetrating guards I'd take guys like Beal, Matthews, Thompson over him.

Tony_Starks
04-15-2014, 12:16 PM
Yep. Put him on a veteran team with a great coach and he's efficient now. Shocker!

Walt
04-15-2014, 01:10 PM
Yeah this season he has been.

Harden, Dragic, Ellis, Stephenson and DeRozan have been the top 5 SG. He's a much different player this season, slashing at will as opposed to settling for the jump shot, making the right passes and passing when his shot is really off, playing defense with heart (even though he still isn't good on that end), drawing charges, etc...

I love Monta this season, the Monta/Dirk 2-man game is unguardable.

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 01:11 PM
You can make a case for Ellis as a top 5 SG, but I think that speaks to how weak the position has become and not necessarily to how well Ellis has played this year. If I'm personally ranking SGs, my list would probably look like:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant (when healthy, obviously)
4. Goran Dragic/Eric Bledsoe (whoever you consider the SG on that team)
5. Demar DeRozan
6. Lance Stephenson
7. Klay Thompson
8. Manu Ginobili
9. Monta Ellis

Minimal
04-15-2014, 01:20 PM
People overrating Klay Thompson in this thread a little

Tumstock
04-15-2014, 01:31 PM
You can make a case for Ellis as a top 5 SG, but I think that speaks to how weak the position has become and not necessarily to how well Ellis has played this year. If I'm personally ranking SGs, my list would probably look like:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant (when healthy, obviously)
4. Goran Dragic/Eric Bledsoe (whoever you consider the SG on that team)
5. Demar DeRozan
6. Lance Stephenson
7. Klay Thompson
8. Manu Ginobili
9. Monta Ellis

The guys outside of top 3 are role players at best. The SG position has never been worse.

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 01:37 PM
The guys outside of top 3 are role players at best. The SG position has never been worse.

If you think Dragic, Bledsoe, DeRozan and Stephenson are "role players at best," I'm not sure what to tell you. Dragic just got done having one of the best seasons of any guard in the league, Bledsoe and DeRozan are young guys who broke out in a big way and Stephenson is probably the third most important player on the team with the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference.

I'll agree the position is really weak right now, but to suggest some of those guys are just role players is seriously underrating their ability.

LanceUpperCut
04-15-2014, 01:52 PM
You can make a case for Ellis as a top 5 SG, but I think that speaks to how weak the position has become and not necessarily to how well Ellis has played this year. If I'm personally ranking SGs, my list would probably look like:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant (when healthy, obviously)
4. Goran Dragic/Eric Bledsoe (whoever you consider the SG on that team)
5. Demar DeRozan
6. Lance Stephenson
7. Klay Thompson
8. Manu Ginobili
9. Monta Ellis


I agree with Dragic at 4th but no way Bledsoe is their yet, he has a hell of lot more to prove before he's above DD, Ginobli or Ellis. I think Klay and LS are so overrated.

Goose17
04-15-2014, 02:04 PM
Below:
James Harden
Dwyane Wade
(Kobe Bryant)
Goran Dragic
Klay Thompson

On the same tier:
Arron Afflalo
Demar Derozan
Lance Stephenson
Bradley Beal
Wes Matthews

I'd probably put him around 8.


Agreed^

tredigs
04-15-2014, 02:12 PM
:facepalm:

You can't go by the past, if you do I can say Stephenson and Dragic past don't make them a top 5

We are talking about right now. Carlisle, Dirk, and a veteran team have made his game very mature and he still a playmaker plus he still puts up major stats (1 of 5 players to put up at least 19 PPG 5 APG and 1.5 SPG on .450+ FG% behind Lebron CP3 Harden and Curry

The guy is a beast

The difference is Stephenson and Dragic aren't the exact same players today (just in a new role) than they were as 6th year players when I watched all their games in 2010/11.

Monta 10/11: 24/4/6 on 45/36/79. PER = 18.6. WS/48 = 0.089
Monta 13/14: 19/4/6 on 45/33/79. PER = 16.8. WS/48 = 0.079

His #'s were better then, but he was still an infuriating ball stopper and drive killer more often than not.


I don't even know that I agree with all these posters having Klay over him, that's debatable (I'd lean Klay myself... close though). But, I do know he is a far better fit for GS. Monta has his positive qualities for sure and I knew he'd be a better fit in Dallas than in GS, but you guys aren't going anywhere with him as a key cog. Sorry.

KnicksorBust
04-15-2014, 02:12 PM
Shouldn't Bledsoe be considered the SG on PHX? Am I missing something there?

Both have been listed at PG but the sites that I trust put Bledsoe. When both are healthy he seems to be the primary ball-handler...which makes sense because Dragic is better off the ball. He also had a higher usage rate than Dragic which is surprising considering that when he was injured that should have tipped the scales considerably.

LTBaByyy
04-15-2014, 02:38 PM
People putting Kobe in a their current top 5 and he hasn't played most of this year :facepalm:

Y'all must be the same people that voted him as a All Star

I'm not sold on Stephenson yet, I think once he gets overpaid this summer by a lottery team he will be irrelevant (Ex: Josh Smith to Pistons)

I do have him as my 6th best SG currently, but not top 5 yet

I don't think he would be the same player being the guy (1st or 2nd best player on a playoff team)

He is amazing as the 3rd or 4th best player, which he is with the Pacers

LTBaByyy
04-15-2014, 02:41 PM
Klay Thompson is way overrated

He isn't even in the top 3 players on his team

Harden
Wade
Derozan
Ellis
Dragic

That's my top 5 current SGs

abe_froman
04-15-2014, 02:41 PM
no way

tredigs
04-15-2014, 02:53 PM
Klay Thompson is way overrated

He isn't even in the top 3 players on his team

Harden
Wade
Derozan
Ellis
Dragic

That's my top 5 current SGs

Dragic is far better than Ellis. And Ellis wouldn't be a top 3 player on GS either.

koreancabbage
04-15-2014, 02:56 PM
Dragic is far better than Ellis. And Ellis wouldn't be a top 3 player on GS either.

LOL. exactly.

Dragic > Ellis for sure.

ll_eric_ll
04-15-2014, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure exactly where he ranks with the leages best SG. But i do know that the kid has worked hes butt off this season, has not missed one game, or practice. And he has proven alot of doubters in PSD wrong... very much excited to see what kinda damage we can do in a 7 game series.. Go Mavs!!

Goose17
04-15-2014, 03:01 PM
Klay Thompson is way overrated. He isn't even in the top 3 players on his team


Neither is Ray Allen is he overrated?
Neither is Ibaka is he overrated?
Neither is Kawhi, is he overrated?
Neither is Monta, is he overrated?


You have a weird way of distinguishing overrated. Klay isn't the third best player on the Warriors because our team is stacked. Monta wouldn't even be the 6th or 7th best player on that roster.

BudGrant
04-15-2014, 03:03 PM
Milwaukee seemed to be a good "training ground" for him to realize the importance of maturity and teamwork (both of which he did not have here). Regardless, there is no doubt that he is playing some quality ball this year.

tredigs
04-15-2014, 03:10 PM
Neither is Ray Allen is he overrated?
Neither is Ibaka is he overrated?
Neither is Kawhi, is he overrated?
Neither is Monta, is he overrated?


You have a weird way of distinguishing overrated. Klay isn't the third best player on the Warriors because our team is stacked. Monta wouldn't even be the 6th or 7th best player on that roster.
Yes he would, he'd easily be our most important bench player - especially this season. I love what Draymond brings but Monta would've been huge there.

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 03:55 PM
I agree with Dragic at 4th but no way Bledsoe is their yet, he has a hell of lot more to prove before he's above DD, Ginobli or Ellis. I think Klay and LS are so overrated.

Well, my list was fairly vague. If you consider Dragic the SG for Phoenix, I'd put him as high as maybe 3rd overall on this list. If Bledsoe is the SG, he's somewhere around 5th-8th. Personally, I've always considered Dragic to be a point guard, and that's the position he played most of the season, so I'd probably prefer Bledsoe on the list than Dragic.

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 04:00 PM
People putting Kobe in a their current top 5 and he hasn't played most of this year :facepalm:

Y'all must be the same people that voted him as a All Star
Kobe was unquestionably one of the three best SGs in the world a year ago and you could argue he was No. 1 (although I'd disagree). Even a Kobe that is only 75-80% of that player would be a top 5 SG in this league today. I think that's probably the player we'll see when he comes back. And I assure you I did not vote him into the All-Star game.


I'm not sold on Stephenson yet, I think once he gets overpaid this summer by a lottery team he will be irrelevant (Ex: Josh Smith to Pistons)

I do have him as my 6th best SG currently, but not top 5 yet

I don't think he would be the same player being the guy (1st or 2nd best player on a playoff team)

He is amazing as the 3rd or 4th best player, which he is with the Pacers

I'm not a huge fan of Stephenson's attitude at times, and he's definitely an irrational confidence guy when it comes to his offensive prowess, but his defense alone makes him worthy of this list. There are few players more irritating on the defensive side of the ball than Stephenson, and that's where I think his real value comes into play.

Tony_Starks
04-15-2014, 04:20 PM
Joe Johnson is so disrespected but then again I'm not surprised.....

D-Leethal
04-15-2014, 04:37 PM
Milwaukee seemed to be a good "training ground" for him to realize the importance of maturity and teamwork (both of which he did not have here). Regardless, there is no doubt that he is playing some quality ball this year.

I don't think any player has gone to Milwaukee and learned maturity and teamwork since George Karl left. I call it, finally playing in a great situation.

Goose17
04-15-2014, 04:40 PM
Yes he would, he'd easily be our most important bench player - especially this season. I love what Draymond brings but Monta would've been huge there.

Sorry but no. The reason we have been successful is down to our defense. Monta would single handedly destroy that. You can't just throw a random player onto a roster and expect him to be effective. There's a reason he has been effective in Dallas (to an extent)

Curry, Klay, Dre, Lee, Bogut, Green, O'Neal > Monta.

Throw in Barnes purely on potential despite the fact he has been awful.


Monta on our team would result in us missing the playoffs entirely. Therefore he wouldn't be one of our best players, despite his individual talent, he would be arguably our worst because it would his fault the team sucks.

Trading him is the greatest decision the Warriors have made in recent history, it changed the entire culture. I would take Bogut with every bone in his body broken over Ellis. Not because Ellis is a bad player, because he's a terrible fit.

Best of luck to him and Dallas though.

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 04:43 PM
People overrating Klay Thompson in this thread a little

Klay Thompson's been looking like a special player lately. You'll see his improvement in the playoffs. Where've you been?

Spanklin
04-15-2014, 05:11 PM
Let's see, Monta is helping lead: Vince, Marion, Dalembert, and the league's worst bench to a playoff seed in the West. Results speak for themselves. Kevin Martin didn't help lead his Minnesota team to the playoffs so Monta is way better than him & the Wes Matthews, Derozen, Clay Thompson class.

tredigs
04-15-2014, 05:25 PM
Sorry but no. The reason we have been successful is down to our defense. Monta would single handedly destroy that. You can't just throw a random player onto a roster and expect him to be effective. There's a reason he has been effective in Dallas (to an extent)

Curry, Klay, Dre, Lee, Bogut, Green, O'Neal > Monta.

Throw in Barnes purely on potential despite the fact he has been awful.


Monta on our team would result in us missing the playoffs entirely. Therefore he wouldn't be one of our best players, despite his individual talent, he would be arguably our worst because it would his fault the team sucks.

Trading him is the greatest decision the Warriors have made in recent history, it changed the entire culture. I would take Bogut with every bone in his body broken over Ellis. Not because Ellis is a bad player, because he's a terrible fit.

Best of luck to him and Dallas though.
Negative ghost rider. We had the worst offensive bench in the league and it's the reason why we lost as many games as we did. There was exactly 0 playmakers with Curry out and it resulted in the highest +/- in the league. A player of Monta's ability changes all that and helps keeps us afloat against Other 2nd units. Green and Oneal are certainly important defensive cogs but clearly can't hold us above water without help on the other end. You are wrong, sir.

ThuglifeJ
04-15-2014, 05:45 PM
I absolutely hated Monta all season until the game vs Phoenix..in which he was the player of the game in a big win to get in the playoffs over a hungry suns team.

So no I wouldn't put him in there. Right now I like him because of that game, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he absolutely sucked this next game vs Memphis, and then blows it in the playoffs.

Honestly his stats are nice, but I can tell you, he's a friggin cancer..he has no court vision, not smart, cost the Mavs plenty of games with late game turnovers and BRICKS. I emphasize bricks because he would literally not let anyone else touch the ball and then hit all backboard or something horrendous. If he gets to the line he misses EVERYTIME it's a close game, chockes - claps his hands like it's no biggie. AND he INSISTS on taking Long 2 jumpers whenever he can, it's obnoxious, I don't like him at all. That's ignoring his pathetic defense as well.

The only thing I enjoy about him is that he will get to the rim which leads to broken defenses, but I don't want to see him trying 360 layups in important game just because he can. He is a better asset than OJ mayo though

Some Mavs fans will agree with me, some will not.

ThuglifeJ
04-15-2014, 05:53 PM
Let's see, Monta is helping lead: Vince, Marion, Dalembert, and the league's worst bench to a playoff seed in the West. Results speak for themselves. Kevin Martin didn't help lead his Minnesota team to the playoffs so Monta is way better than him & the Wes Matthews, Derozen, Clay Thompson class.

Hmm let's see, more like Dirk, Vince, Calderon have to make up for Ellis everytime he's not hitting his inconsistent chucking. Mavs have an offense, as in an offensive system, not superstars doing everything. I dont care how manny ppg Ellis has, he's not leading the Mavs it's a collective effort of Dirk, Vince, Calderon, and Ellis (when he's hitting his shots).
Mavs definitely don't have the worst bench in the league either, I'm almost positive of that.

tredigs
04-15-2014, 05:57 PM
I absolutely hated Monta all season until the game vs Phoenix..in which he was the player of the game in a big win to get in the playoffs over a hungry suns team.

So no I wouldn't put him in there. Right now I like him because of that game, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he absolutely sucked this next game vs Memphis, and then blows it in the playoffs.

Honestly his stats are nice, but I can tell you, he's a friggin cancer..he has no court vision, not smart, cost the Mavs plenty of games with late game turnovers and BRICKS. I emphasize bricks because he would literally not let anyone else touch the ball and then hit all backboard or something horrendous. If he gets to the line he misses EVERYTIME it's a close game, chockes - claps his hands like it's no biggie. AND he INSISTS on taking Long 2 jumpers whenever he can, it's obnoxious, I don't like him at all. That's ignoring his pathetic defense as well.

The only thing I enjoy about him is that he will get to the rim which leads to broken defenses, but I don't want to see him trying 360 layups in important game just because he can. He is a better asset than OJ mayo though

Some Mavs fans will agree with me, some will not.

This is exactly how he played in Golden State and how I've seen him play the majority of Mavs games I've caught since he joined. It's why I would never want him on a starting unit for a playoff team. BUT, if he were to accept a bench position on an offensively inept cast, could prove very useful in a 15 mpg role. Obviously this won't happen unless he ring chases 2 years from now, but it's how he would be best utilized.

Crackadalic
04-15-2014, 06:07 PM
Harden
Derozen
Dwade
Manu
Klay
Lance
Dragic

All ahead of monta IMO

ThaDubs
04-15-2014, 06:17 PM
Harden
Derozen
Dwade
Manu
Klay
Lance
Dragic

All ahead of monta IMO

Harden - Yes
DeRozan - Yes
Wade - Maybe but he never plays so we don't know how good he'd be on b2b's
Manu - No
Klay - No
Lance - Yes
Dragic - He's a PG

tredigs
04-15-2014, 06:23 PM
Harden - Yes
DeRozan - Yes
Wade - Maybe but he never plays so we don't know how good he'd be on b2b's
Manu - No
Klay - No
Lance - Yes
Dragic - He's a PG

Wade is FAR better and there are no b2b's in the playoffs so he's still better. Manu's an interesting case because he's aging and has a much more limited role (though it ramps up in the playoffs), but is still clearly the smarter and better per-minute player. Dragic is a SG when Bledsoe plays.

Walt
04-15-2014, 06:28 PM
Did I just read that Draymond ****ing Green and Jermaine O Neal were better than Monta? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

tredigs
04-15-2014, 06:41 PM
Did I just read that Draymond ****ing Green and Jermaine O Neal were better than Monta? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
I know you're commenting to him, but...

Draymond clearly has a far different role and can be a box-score ghost, but the guy is roughly 9x smarter than Monta and is incredible help defensively (covering a wide variety of 2's to 4's at a very high level). ESPN's new RPM stat ranks him as the #2 wing defender (behind Iggy), while it hates Monta in general. Essentially it breaks down to the fact that Monta is largely mediocre in a major role while Green is very good in a smaller role. But as I mentioned earlier, Monta would've been awesome on this Dubs team in a 15-20 mpg bench role (as he would on most teams), but I'm convinced that he will always cost a team more losses than wins as a top option (despite being flashy and being able to make cool layups).

Hawkeye15
04-15-2014, 06:45 PM
Let's see, Monta is helping lead: Vince, Marion, Dalembert, and the league's worst bench to a playoff seed in the West. Results speak for themselves. Kevin Martin didn't help lead his Minnesota team to the playoffs so Monta is way better than him & the Wes Matthews, Derozen, Clay Thompson class.

you left out the Mavs best player by a mile....

knicksfan1794
04-15-2014, 06:50 PM
Wade is not a top 5 sg all you guys are crazy!!

Ellis has been playing very well this season.

1-Harden
2-Afflalo
3-Derozan
4-Stephenson
5-Thompson
6-Mathews
7-Joe Johnson
8-Ellis
9-Kobe
10-Wade

LTBaByyy
04-15-2014, 06:54 PM
http://www.mavs.com/videos/practice-report-monta-ellis-4/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_content=practice-report-monta-ellis-4&utm_campaign=mavs_video_041514

Monta Ellis on his happiness compared to last season: "I'm happier now than the last 3 years."

Monta Ellis: "Being around this organization, I got back the love of basketball."


Love this guy!

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 06:58 PM
Wade is not a top 5 sg all you guys are crazy!!

Ellis has been playing very well this season.

1-Harden
2-Afflalo
3-Derozan
4-Stephenson
5-Thompson
6-Mathews
7-Joe Johnson
8-Ellis
9-Kobe
10-Wade
Wow.... You're kidding right? Afflalo 2nd? Wade 10th? Have you even watched any NBA basketball this season? Wade may be a shell of his former self, but the guy's numbers still dwarf pretty much every NBA SG not named James Harden (unless you consider Dragic a SG). And I'd absolutely take him over Ellis or Afflalo without thinking about it twice.

Sly Guy
04-15-2014, 07:11 PM
Wade is not a top 5 sg all you guys are crazy!!

Ellis has been playing very well this season.

1-Harden
2-Afflalo
3-Derozan
4-Stephenson
5-Thompson
6-Mathews
7-Joe Johnson
8-Ellis
9-Kobe
10-Wade
this list is so ridiculous. I have no idea where you bias is leaning, but man are you off.

koreancabbage
04-15-2014, 07:18 PM
Harden - Yes
DeRozan - Yes
Wade - Yes
Manu - No
Klay - No
Lance - Yes
Dragic - Yes

Even as injured Wade gets, he's still a better player than Ellis. Dragic is soo much better than Ellis, and I consider him a SG playing the PG position when Bledsoe is down - but I don't think they have a true PG as both Bledsoe and Dragic are both SG and PG at the same time and interchangeable.

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Harden - Yes
DeRozan - Yes
Wade - Maybe but he never plays so we don't know how good he'd be on b2b's
Manu - No
Klay - No
Lance - Yes
Dragic - He's a PG

In an effort to not come off like a homer, you're severely under rating Klay. Klay Thompson is better than Lance in almost every metric. And if Thompson were playing for Toronto in the East, he'd be an allstar too. Thompson can do things on defense and on offense that Derozan can only dream of. Klay > or = Derozan

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 07:22 PM
Here's the list.
1-Harden
2-Thompson/Derozan
3-Derozan/Thompson
4-Stephenson
5-Wade
6-Matthews
7-Ellis
8-Johnson
9-Afflalo
10-Kobe
11-Beal

If Dragic is considered a SG then he moves into the top 5 and most likely 3rd or 4th on the list before Stephenson and he can be inserted for Derozan or Klay Thompson. Those players are equal IMO.

sunsfan88
04-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Harden - Yes
DeRozan - Yes
Wade - Maybe but he never plays so we don't know how good he'd be on b2b's
Manu - No
Klay - No
Lance - Yes
Dragic - He's a PG
Dragic is a SG, he only played PG because Bledsoe was hurt.

And Dragic is the 2nd best SG in the league.

abe_froman
04-15-2014, 07:35 PM
Here's the list.
1-Harden
2-Thompson/Derozan
3-Derozan/Thompson
4-Stephenson
5-Wade
6-Matthews
7-Ellis
8-Johnson
9-Afflalo
10-Kobe
11-Beal

If Dragic is considered a SG then he moves into the top 5 and most likely 3rd or 4th on the list before Stephenson and he can be inserted for Derozan or Klay Thompson. Those players are equal IMO.

i'd put afflalo and johnson over him(,and kobe when healthy)

tredigs
04-15-2014, 07:38 PM
Here's the list.
1-Harden
2-Thompson/Derozan
3-Derozan/Thompson
4-Stephenson
5-Wade
6-Matthews
7-Ellis
8-Johnson
9-Afflalo
10-Kobe
11-Beal

If Dragic is considered a SG then he moves into the top 5 and most likely 3rd or 4th on the list before Stephenson and he can be inserted for Derozan or Klay Thompson. Those players are equal IMO.

Your homerism knows no bounds. There's no scenario where Klay > Dragic. The kid disappears for months at a time and is lost without Curry. Yes, he's played very good lately, but that doesn't change the facts.

NBA_Starter
04-15-2014, 07:49 PM
No

Duncan = Donkey
04-15-2014, 08:17 PM
1.Harden
2. Wade
3. Dragic
4. Derozan
5. Stephenson/Thompson

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 08:31 PM
Dragic is a SG, he only played PG because Bledsoe was hurt.

And Dragic is the 2nd best SG in the league.
You say this so matter of factly while TOTALLY ignoring the fact that he was primarily a PG pretty much his entire career before this season. Hell, he was the starting point guard the entire year last year for Phoenix. Sure, he played some SG and excelled at the position at times in Houston when McHale went to small ball, but the guy has played PG his entire career pretty much.

As I've said previously in many other threads, I think the PG position has evolved to where guys that would have been SGs 10-20 years ago are now running the point. Dragic could easily be one of those guys, but he's also a pretty damn good distributor and playmaker. At the end of the day, I think it's safe to just call him a combo guard.

mightybosstone
04-15-2014, 08:35 PM
Here's the list.
1-Harden
2-Thompson/Derozan
3-Derozan/Thompson
4-Stephenson
5-Wade
6-Matthews
7-Ellis
8-Johnson
9-Afflalo
10-Kobe
11-Beal

If Dragic is considered a SG then he moves into the top 5 and most likely 3rd or 4th on the list before Stephenson and he can be inserted for Derozan or Klay Thompson. Those players are equal IMO.

You wonder why nobody takes you seriously and then you post something like this. Thompson is a good player, and one that has plenty of room to improve. But he is nowhere near the level of Wade and Dragic this season, and I'd easily take DeRozan over him right now. You could maybe make a case for the other guys on this list, but not Harden or those three.

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 08:44 PM
You wonder why nobody takes you seriously and then you post something like this. Thompson is a good player, and one that has plenty of room to improve. But he is nowhere near the level of Wade and Dragic this season, and I'd easily take DeRozan over him right now. You could maybe make a case for the other guys on this list, but not Harden or those three.

Harden is 1st on the list and he deserves a token of respect. And I'll admit that Dragic is a top 3 player on this list. But you're under rating Thompson's abilities. He's been special since February and I don't see him regressing.

Remember in '96 when they put Shaq in the top 50 and people booed? Thompson's shown his abilities and he won't regress. Watch him in the playoffs when you see more games and we'll talk.

COOLbeans
04-15-2014, 08:45 PM
Your homerism knows no bounds. There's no scenario where Klay > Dragic. The kid disappears for months at a time and is lost without Curry. Yes, he's played very good lately, but that doesn't change the facts.

Dragic has been good longer than Thompson and has been more consistent so you have a point.

Shlumpledink
04-15-2014, 08:49 PM
Monta may be top 5, he is better than he has been, but the shooting guard position isn't what it was.

JasonJohnHorn
04-15-2014, 09:20 PM
He's having a great year and I'm happy for him. THIS season, there is an argument to be made, YES! He's showing how Jennings really held him back.

But had Kobe not been injured, then Kobe Wade and Harden would be top three in whatever order you want to put them, at which point, I think you could name 2 SGs better than Monta.


I'd take Klay Thompson over Monta, for example, and I think if Kevin Martin were in Dallas, Jose would have had a better year, and the Mavs might be a better team.

Not sure I'd put DeRozen over Ellis, but maybe Lance Stephenson, though he is a combo guard. Afflalo? Maybe, but his team is $#!T. Are his numbers inflated? Maybe. I loved Gordon Hayward this year. Dragic and Bledsoe as combo guards as well? and Gerald Green?


Ellis is having a great year. I wouldn't argue with anybody who had him top 5 at his position this year.

Chronz
04-15-2014, 09:29 PM
Let's see, Monta is helping lead: Vince, Marion, Dalembert, and the league's worst bench to a playoff seed in the West. Results speak for themselves. Kevin Martin didn't help lead his Minnesota team to the playoffs so Monta is way better than him & the Wes Matthews, Derozen, Clay Thompson class.

What if we dont believe any of this. I LOVE the Mavs bench, its been VERY effective, particularly since they got Devin back.

ThuglifeJ
04-15-2014, 09:58 PM
I know you're commenting to him, but...

Draymond clearly has a far different role and can be a box-score ghost, but the guy is roughly 9x smarter than Monta and is incredible help defensively (covering a wide variety of 2's to 4's at a very high level). ESPN's new RPM stat ranks him as the #2 wing defender (behind Iggy), while it hates Monta in general. Essentially it breaks down to the fact that Monta is largely mediocre in a major role while Green is very good in a smaller role. But as I mentioned earlier, Monta would've been awesome on this Dubs team in a 15-20 mpg bench role (as he would on most teams), but I'm convinced that he will always cost a team more losses than wins as a top option (despite being flashy and being able to make cool layups).

I agree with this..and I am convinced of this as well. It's not hard to come to this conclusion if you get to watch him on a nightly basis. At least if you have some sort of knowledge and understanding of the game. He's just not a smart player..and unfortunately about 3 inches too small to get away with that kind of play.

I probably come off as a hater, but I'm not. I love flashy players, I have all my life, Tmac, VC, AI...the thing is Ellis doesn't have what those guys had...but he thinks he does.

ThuglifeJ
04-15-2014, 10:01 PM
In an effort to not come off like a homer, you're severely under rating Klay. Klay Thompson is better than Lance in almost every metric. And if Thompson were playing for Toronto in the East, he'd be an allstar too. Thompson can do things on defense and on offense that Derozan can only dream of. Klay > or = Derozan

Well, ya came off as a homer to me.

Klay is not better than either imo.

asandhu23
04-15-2014, 11:27 PM
Don't care where he ranks, but the young man can absolutely shoot. His dad must be very proud of him.

From what I have heard, he never knew his dad.

c.c.
04-15-2014, 11:57 PM
I don't know who is top 5 but do know who's #1 :D

slashsnake
04-16-2014, 03:05 AM
Is he really a SG though? I consider Calderon more of another combo guard in Dallas with him. I don't see him playing with a true CP3, Rubio, or Rondo type point. He's more of that combo guard than a true SG and doesn't really have the PG mentality. It is so tough now as there aren't many guards that are truly one or the other. It's tough as neither of those two play with Devin Harris or Larkin much. It seems both of those guys rest a lot at the same time, and one of those points came in with Vince.

As a guard, I like Curry, Harden, CP3, Dragic, Lowry, Parker, Lillard, DeRozan, Wall, Irving, Westbrook, Wade (when he plays), better than him easily. Probably Isiah Thomas, Lance Stephenson, and Ty Lawson too. Put him in that tier with Conley, Matthews, Afflalo, Kevin Martin, Klay Thompson, Deron Williams...

Top 20 guard, better than average starter.

mightybosstone
04-16-2014, 09:47 AM
Harden is 1st on the list and he deserves a token of respect. And I'll admit that Dragic is a top 3 player on this list. But you're under rating Thompson's abilities. He's been special since February and I don't see him regressing.
He's a great shooter and a fairly efficient scorer, but he doesn't do much else and there are a lot of holes in his game. He's an excellent 3-point shooter, which boosts his efficiency, but 2.3 FTA per game is unacceptable for a SG who takes 16 shots a game. He's got to go to the rim more and draw more fouls. And while he's a servicable defender for his position, he doesn't pass or rebound well for his position. Advanced stats basically tell a story of a slightly above average basketball player. I think he's better than that, but to suggest he's better than Wade, Dragic or DeRozan, who are far more complete basketball players, is just naive.

If you think he's better than those three guys, I'd like an explanation. How is he better?


Remember in '96 when they put Shaq in the top 50 and people booed? Thompson's shown his abilities and he won't regress. Watch him in the playoffs when you see more games and we'll talk.
Dude... You just compared a guy who is barely a top 10 player at his position in a given year to one of the 10 greatest players in the history of the NBA. Can you see why that might be seen as completely insane? Thompson is going to get better, I'm sure. But one playoff series would not make him the second best SG in the league, and he'd have to completely dominate this postseason to even deserve consideration for a discussion like that. Could I stomach a conversation of Thompson as possibly the 5th best SG in the league? Maybe. 7th or 8th? Definitely. But second best in the league is insane, and you need to take off your homer goggles to realize that.

BudGrant
04-16-2014, 10:19 AM
I don't think any player has gone to Milwaukee and learned maturity and teamwork since George Karl left. I call it, finally playing in a great situation.

Yeah, my post was rather vague... In Milwaukee he was basically a one man show and forced a lot of his offensive game. When he went to Dallas, that is when he learned the importance of teamwork and maturity (neither of which he was forced to have in Milwaukee)

ThuglifeJ
04-16-2014, 12:56 PM
^My god I can't even imagine having Ellis on my team prior to this year if we are calling him 'mature' 'team oriented' 'better decision making' now.

I'll admit he's probably more team oriented then when I've seen him in GS and Milwaukee where it was always about him in his eyes, but he still carries a lot of those flaws..especially in crunch time when he always tries to take over himself. His late game turnovers and misses are costly

sunsfan88
04-16-2014, 02:36 PM
You say this so matter of factly while TOTALLY ignoring the fact that he was primarily a PG pretty much his entire career before this season. Hell, he was the starting point guard the entire year last year for Phoenix. Sure, he played some SG and excelled at the position at times in Houston when McHale went to small ball, but the guy has played PG his entire career pretty much.

As I've said previously in many other threads, I think the PG position has evolved to where guys that would have been SGs 10-20 years ago are now running the point. Dragic could easily be one of those guys, but he's also a pretty damn good distributor and playmaker. At the end of the day, I think it's safe to just call him a combo guard.
Dragic should have been a SG his whole NBA career. He's like Ginobili. He's a good playmaking SG. Dragic's the type of SG that takes pressure off the PG since he can also create for himself and create for others.

Hornacek and McDonough realized this and plugged Dragic at SG and traded for a starting caliber PG (Bledsoe) as goon as they took over last summer.

alexander_37
04-16-2014, 04:13 PM
Great argument.

MonroeFAN
04-16-2014, 04:24 PM
Your original comment was that Dallas was no longer relevant, coming from a guy who roots for a team who has 5 more wins on the season, and a lot more talent (on paper).

How do you justify saying something like that?

MonroeFAN
04-16-2014, 04:31 PM
Facts : history does not support your argument.
Non-facts : everything else.

Beyond that I don't care. Sweeping SA is impressive, but it doesn't put a ring on your finger. You're both 50 win teams in a tough conference (assuming the Mavericks win tonight), how do you justify saying they're not relevant? That's BS.

I would love to see the amount of teams Dallas swept the year they lead the league in Wins and lost in the first round.

alexander_37
04-16-2014, 04:35 PM
Facts : history does not support your argument.
Non-facts : everything else.

Beyond that I don't care. Sweeping SA is impressive, but it doesn't put a ring on your finger. You're both 50 win teams in a tough conference (assuming the Mavericks win tonight), how do you justify saying they're not relevant? That's BS.

I would love to see the amount of teams Dallas swept the year they lead the league in Wins and lost in the first round.

Cool, you are going in circles yes regular season wins don't mean playoff success. But lack of them doesn't mean you will have success either. Beyond that Dallas is still irrelevant, they will probably get swept in the first round Houston is most likely at least going to the second round with a real chance at going further.

MonroeFAN
04-16-2014, 04:37 PM
Oh cool, convenient response bro.

So is it safe to say that you don't have any facts to support your argument? I don't really deal in willy nilly.

LTBaByyy
04-16-2014, 10:48 PM
:dance:

Jarvo
04-16-2014, 11:01 PM
Always have and always will be a fan of Monta and he's been playing damn good since becoming a Mav :clap:

WadeKobe
04-17-2014, 03:20 PM
Harden
Wade
Stephenson
Dragic

I could see Monta fitting in after that since the position is so weak. You've got him, Manu, Matthews, DeRozan and Thompson right there.

LTBaByyy
05-03-2014, 03:25 PM
Monta Ellis is better than Klay Thompson and Lance Stephenson

raiderposting
05-03-2014, 03:31 PM
Monta Ellis is better than Klay Thompson and Lance Stephenson

I'll rather have me some klay

LTBaByyy
05-03-2014, 03:40 PM
Klay Thompson has the one of the lowest if not the lowest usage of having the ball out of starting SGs in the NBA

Without someone setting him up (Curry, Iggy) he wouldn't be contributing nearly half as much being a shooter

Monta can be a good #1 option (Warriors) & one of the best #2 options (Mavs)

Thompson is a 3rd option at best

He is has been the best player in the Mavs - Spurs series

Trwood12
05-04-2014, 03:11 AM
Top 5:
Harden
DeRozan
Thompson
Stephenson
Wade

Verbal Christ
05-04-2014, 03:29 PM
LOL @ this thread.

chitownbulls
05-04-2014, 03:33 PM
I think so, i just think he has a bad name from the start of his career. Sure he shoots a lot, but he scores a lot too. He does what his team asks of him, its not like he's Rudy Gay and completely obliterating an offense, his scoring is actually beneficial and Dallas would not be where they are today without him.

tredigs
05-04-2014, 06:55 PM
Klay Thompson has the one of the lowest if not the lowest usage of having the ball out of starting SGs in the NBA

Without someone setting him up (Curry, Iggy) he wouldn't be contributing nearly half as much being a shooter

Monta can be a good #1 option (Warriors) & one of the best #2 options (Mavs)

Thompson is a 3rd option at best

He is has been the best player in the Mavs - Spurs series

That's who Klay is. 3 and D guy who can post up smaller players. Unlike Monta, he knows his role and sticks to it. I'm not wild about Klay's play this year (way too inconsistent), but he fits the Warriors FAR better than Monta did, and helped bring them to the level they're at today.

Your best player this series was actually Vince Carter. Nice game 7 from Monta too... 3-11 with 2 boards/assists and torched on the other end. Stay in love all you want with the guy, but he's not leading you anywhere, I assure you.

cmellofan15
05-04-2014, 07:26 PM
That's who Klay is. 3 and D guy who can post up smaller players. Unlike Monta, he knows his role and sticks to it. I'm not wild about Klay's play this year (way too inconsistent), but he fits the Warriors FAR better than Monta did, and helped bring them to the level they're at today.

Your best player this series was actually Vince Carter. Nice game 7 from Monta too... 3-11 with 2 boards/assists and torched on the other end. Stay in love all you want with the guy, but he's not leading you anywhere, I assure you.

Klay was 4-11 last game, 3-11 the game before that, but hey did have 7 assists in one of those games (1 in the other lol). and let's not talk about defense this series.....

but hey, that's neither here nor there.

tredigs
05-04-2014, 08:08 PM
Klay was 4-11 last game, 3-11 the game before that, but hey did have 7 assists in one of those games (1 in the other lol). and let's not talk about defense this series.....

but hey, that's neither here nor there.

Klay was tasked with CP3 for much of the series and did a better job than we ever could have dreamed of from Monta, but the bottom line is that he will get his. With Bogut out the gameplan (eventually) became "go small and outscore LAC", so the result was the game lines that we witnessed. Again, I'm not here to defend Klay, but Monta in his place? That's a nightmare I never want to relive. Klay did not eat up 29% of the teams Usage for games like a 3-11, 2 assist, pathetic defensive showcase like we saw from Monta in game 7. Curry and co. got that usage, and that's the way we like it.

cmellofan15
05-04-2014, 08:32 PM
Klay was tasked with CP3 for much of the series and did a better job than we ever could have dreamed of from Monta, but the bottom line is that he will get his. With Bogut out the gameplan (eventually) became "go small and outscore LAC", so the result was the game lines that we witnessed. Again, I'm not here to defend Klay, but Monta in his place? That's a nightmare I never want to relive. Klay did not eat up 29% of the teams Usage for games like a 3-11, 2 assist, pathetic defensive showcase like we saw from Monta in game 7. Curry and co. got that usage, and that's the way we like it.

Well I agree with the sentiment that Klay is better for the Warriors. But I would not put all of the blame on Monta for that game 7 when the whole team went out and laid an egg on defense. now that's not excusing Monta, but he's redeemed his self as a Maverick this season. I can COMPLETELY understand your feelings toward him and how lazy he was in GS, but he has improved his team play this year and has been a blessing for the Mavs who were in need of a guy to put the ball on the floor and takeover games. Put Klay in that situation and they aren't nearing 50 games this season let alone taking the Spurs to a 7 game series.

TheMightyHumph
05-05-2014, 07:05 PM
Monta Ellis: 19.0 PPG (.452 FG) 5.8 APG 3.6 RPG 1.7 SPG

SG ranks:

4th in PPG
8th in field goal %
3rd in APG
2nd in SPG
6th in double doubles
1st in drawn charges

Monta Ellis is 1 of 5 players that average at least 19 PPG, 5 APG, & 1.5 SPG on .450+ FG%. (Chris Paul, LeBron James, James Harden, Steph Curry)

That should be given situation when Monta gets out of the 1st rd.

slashsnake
05-06-2014, 12:15 PM
Monta has played better of late than in Golden State where I thought he was a bad fit and awful defender. Not sure if that was coaching, or the change in scenery and teammates, but if it was, he clearly is a better fit now. I don't blame them at all for moving him to invest more in their frontcourt.

He is a top 5 SG right now, but more to the drop off of production at the position than his play IMO.