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Kaner
04-09-2014, 09:29 PM
Haven't seen this talked about much at all so who do you guys think should win it?

mpiccard661
04-09-2014, 09:35 PM
Gerald green

UPRock
04-09-2014, 09:43 PM
Dragic

EL_MACHETE
04-09-2014, 09:44 PM
Kd35

Xplicit
04-09-2014, 09:48 PM
Green

still1ballin
04-09-2014, 09:54 PM
Green

smith&wesson
04-09-2014, 09:58 PM
derozan .. who would have thought hed be an all start this year ?

ghettosean
04-09-2014, 09:59 PM
Derozan 2nd

Shammyguy3
04-09-2014, 10:08 PM
Goran Dragic

odiz
04-09-2014, 10:15 PM
derozan .. who would have thought hed be an all start this year ?

He hasnt improved hes just decided to take more shots. It should be Green, he was genuinely awful last year and has been very good this year.

lamzoka
04-09-2014, 10:42 PM
Stephenson or G. Green

murphturph
04-09-2014, 11:11 PM
He hasnt improved hes just decided to take more shots. It should be Green, he was genuinely awful last year and has been very good this year.

Wow. just. wow

lajoie
04-09-2014, 11:37 PM
Derozan's improved.

His improvement is nowhere close to the jump that Dragic or even Green have made

JasonJohnHorn
04-10-2014, 12:07 AM
I woudn't say DJ, just because he played well before and just had an off season in Indy where they didn't give him minutes.

Dragic is an interesting pick. His shooting is up, his points are up, his assists are down and his turnovers are the same. As a point guard, his playmaking has regressed, but his scoring has improved. Not sure how to evaluate that.

Lowry wouldn't be a bad pick. I think the increase in minutes is the biggest reason for the jump, but he is shooting the ball better. His play making is about the same.

DM DR: his shots are up, but his percentages are down. I wouldn't call that an improvement. Not even sure how he made the ASG and I'm a Raptors fan.

Gerald Green is shooting the ball better than he has in the past, but like DJ, he rode Indy's bench last year and had played well before.


That leave KD and AD.

I'd be comfortable with KD winning it over the other guys, but not so comfortable with him winning it over AD.


Wen you are a franchise player like KD, to be able to lift your game to a historic level is an amazing accomplishment. We've seen guys like Melo and Wade play at a franchise level one year, and then another and then start to even out. KD played at as high a level as Wade or Melo ever did (higher I'd say) and then this year he went and turned it up and accomplished something the even MJ never had and is likely having a better individual season than most of LBJ's seasons.

That is AMAZING!

And the 41 straight games? That was so much MORE impressive than MJ's because he was doing it for a team that was leading the conference, in an era where there are fewer possessions, while MJ did it on a fringe playoff team in a era where the offense was a lot quicker.

That said, AD is a good pick. His ppg is up 7, his pp36 is up 6. The rest of his per36 are pretty even, so he's been able to take on a bigger role on offense, play more games and still keep up his rebounding, blocks and steal without committing a lot fouls.

Looking at AD, you also have to consider Andre Drummond in the same manner. He's seen a similar increase in minutes and a similar increase in scoring output.

John Henson and Brandon Knight from the Bucks could be brought up here as well.

Terrance Jones and maybe Pay Beverly from the Rockets.

I'm not sure Enes Kaneter of Derick Favors deserve mention. I was hoping to see more out of them. Utah frankly would have been better to trade them and retain Millsap and Jefferson.

For the Jazz though ALec Burks is coming along nicely.


The two guys who I think might get a lot of attention are DMC and Isaiah Thomas. Both of them have improved their per game averages significanlts, and for some reason, voters love casting ballots for little guys.

If I had to put money on this, I'd put my money on Thomas.

JasonJohnHorn
04-10-2014, 12:09 AM
derozan .. who would have thought hed be an all start this year ?

But all of his percentages are down. He's just taking more shots? How is that an improvement?

P&GRealist
04-10-2014, 12:11 AM
Gerald Green

I think Norris Cole is an underrated choice.

JasonJohnHorn
04-10-2014, 12:12 AM
Wow. just. wow

Looking at the numbers, DMDR's assists and rebounds are up, but he is NOT a better scorer than he was last year. His percentages are all down, he's just taking more shot. There is no "wow" about that. You shot more, you score more. If you want to make a case about his defense.... I'll listen to that (though I'm not sure that's a good argument).

His FG is down, his FT is down, his 3pt is up slightly, and he's taking more shots. That wouldn't get my vote.

SugeKnight
04-10-2014, 01:42 AM
Demar Derozan. It was looking like he had a bad contract for a while, but he's been worth every penny this year. His jumper has improved and it has changed his game

Kaner
04-10-2014, 02:03 AM
I woudn't say DJ, just because he played well before and just had an off season in Indy where they didn't give him minutes.

Dragic is an interesting pick. His shooting is up, his points are up, his assists are down and his turnovers are the same. As a point guard, his playmaking has regressed, but his scoring has improved. Not sure how to evaluate that.

Lowry wouldn't be a bad pick. I think the increase in minutes is the biggest reason for the jump, but he is shooting the ball better. His play making is about the same.

DM DR: his shots are up, but his percentages are down. I wouldn't call that an improvement. Not even sure how he made the ASG and I'm a Raptors fan.

Gerald Green is shooting the ball better than he has in the past, but like DJ, he rode Indy's bench last year and had played well before.


That leave KD and AD.

I'd be comfortable with KD winning it over the other guys, but not so comfortable with him winning it over AD.


Wen you are a franchise player like KD, to be able to lift your game to a historic level is an amazing accomplishment. We've seen guys like Melo and Wade play at a franchise level one year, and then another and then start to even out. KD played at as high a level as Wade or Melo ever did (higher I'd say) and then this year he went and turned it up and accomplished something the even MJ never had and is likely having a better individual season than most of LBJ's seasons.

That is AMAZING!

And the 41 straight games? That was so much MORE impressive than MJ's because he was doing it for a team that was leading the conference, in an era where there are fewer possessions, while MJ did it on a fringe playoff team in a era where the offense was a lot quicker.

That said, AD is a good pick. His ppg is up 7, his pp36 is up 6. The rest of his per36 are pretty even, so he's been able to take on a bigger role on offense, play more games and still keep up his rebounding, blocks and steal without committing a lot fouls.

Looking at AD, you also have to consider Andre Drummond in the same manner. He's seen a similar increase in minutes and a similar increase in scoring output.

John Henson and Brandon Knight from the Bucks could be brought up here as well.

Terrance Jones and maybe Pay Beverly from the Rockets.

I'm not sure Enes Kaneter of Derick Favors deserve mention. I was hoping to see more out of them. Utah frankly would have been better to trade them and retain Millsap and Jefferson.

For the Jazz though ALec Burks is coming along nicely.


The two guys who I think might get a lot of attention are DMC and Isaiah Thomas. Both of them have improved their per game averages significanlts, and for some reason, voters love casting ballots for little guys.

If I had to put money on this, I'd put my money on Thomas.


Great points I agree with most of it and completely forgot about Cousins and Thomas who both have a pretty good case. I don't think Thomas has improved nearly as much as Cousins though more like he's just getting more minutes and a green light to shoot.

Green and DJ shouldn't be knocked out of consideration for having success in the past since neither of them have played as well as they have this season in their careers and both of them looked like they were on their way out of the league. Especially DJ who was probably on his last contract if he didn't start performing.

Couldn't agree more about what KD has managed to accomplish, Jordan and Lebron are the only guys that come to mind that really managed to climb from what you aptly call 'franchise level' to 'Historic level' Kareem and Wilt came into the league that way and Lebron's rise seemed much more gradual.

Lakers + Giants
04-10-2014, 02:14 AM
Gerald Green. From D league to 20 PPG per 36, 40% from 3 and a TS% above 58%. Not bad at all.

Kyben36
04-10-2014, 05:15 AM
a ton of god options, honestly, dont think that KD should win, how does an MVP win MIP too,

Not thinking Athony davis either.

otherwise, i would be happy with any, think Taj deserves to be mentioned as well, has been playing like a starter all season long. dont think he will win though,

Goose17
04-10-2014, 10:13 AM
The fact that you can make an argument for the Morris twins, Plumlee, Gerald Green and Goran Dragic as the most improved player only goes to show that Jeff Hornacek should be in the running for Coach of the Year.

I think John Henson deserves a mention even if he doesn't actually deserve to win it over Green.

True Sports Fan
04-10-2014, 12:37 PM
I woudn't say DJ, just because he played well before and just had an off season in Indy where they didn't give him minutes.

Dragic is an interesting pick. His shooting is up, his points are up, his assists are down and his turnovers are the same. As a point guard, his playmaking has regressed, but his scoring has improved. Not sure how to evaluate that.

Lowry wouldn't be a bad pick. I think the increase in minutes is the biggest reason for the jump, but he is shooting the ball better. His play making is about the same.

DM DR: his shots are up, but his percentages are down. I wouldn't call that an improvement. Not even sure how he made the ASG and I'm a Raptors fan.

Gerald Green is shooting the ball better than he has in the past, but like DJ, he rode Indy's bench last year and had played well before.


That leave KD and AD.

I'd be comfortable with KD winning it over the other guys, but not so comfortable with him winning it over AD.


Wen you are a franchise player like KD, to be able to lift your game to a historic level is an amazing accomplishment. We've seen guys like Melo and Wade play at a franchise level one year, and then another and then start to even out. KD played at as high a level as Wade or Melo ever did (higher I'd say) and then this year he went and turned it up and accomplished something the even MJ never had and is likely having a better individual season than most of LBJ's seasons.

That is AMAZING!

And the 41 straight games? That was so much MORE impressive than MJ's because he was doing it for a team that was leading the conference, in an era where there are fewer possessions, while MJ did it on a fringe playoff team in a era where the offense was a lot quicker.

That said, AD is a good pick. His ppg is up 7, his pp36 is up 6. The rest of his per36 are pretty even, so he's been able to take on a bigger role on offense, play more games and still keep up his rebounding, blocks and steal without committing a lot fouls.

Looking at AD, you also have to consider Andre Drummond in the same manner. He's seen a similar increase in minutes and a similar increase in scoring output.

John Henson and Brandon Knight from the Bucks could be brought up here as well.

Terrance Jones and maybe Pay Beverly from the Rockets.

I'm not sure Enes Kaneter of Derick Favors deserve mention. I was hoping to see more out of them. Utah frankly would have been better to trade them and retain Millsap and Jefferson.

For the Jazz though ALec Burks is coming along nicely.


The two guys who I think might get a lot of attention are DMC and Isaiah Thomas. Both of them have improved their per game averages significanlts, and for some reason, voters love casting ballots for little guys.

If I had to put money on this, I'd put my money on Thomas. Thomas isn't getting it whether he deserves it or not. We literally get no recognition lol.

SeoulBeatz
04-10-2014, 12:58 PM
Dragic is my choice. I always knew he was going to be solid because he was eager to learn and was under the tutelage of one of the best PG's of all time in Nash.

Derozan is 2nd. I bashed the guy a couple years ago because I never thought he was going to improve. Always seemed too streaky and settled too often despite his freakish athleticism. Now he's finally putting it all together for a Raps team that no one expected to be good. Gotta give him props for that.

MrfadeawayJB
04-10-2014, 01:51 PM
Green, but just eye test I like Gordon Hayward

IversonIsKrazy
04-10-2014, 02:14 PM
Dragic or Davis for me. Anthony Davis went from 13.5ppg to 20.8ppg, 8rpg to 10rpg, 1.8bpg to 2.8bpg, however, this is his 2nd season so you would kind of expect that jump.

Green/Augustin/Lowry are interesting b/c although they've improved from last year a lot; their stats are just a bit higher than they were 2 years ago.

I would go w/Dragic tho. Went from 15ppg to 20ppg. His FG% went from 44 to 50. His 3PT% went from 31 to 41. He's my MIP pick

IversonIsKrazy
04-10-2014, 02:20 PM
Holy just noticed Isaiah Thomas went from 14/4 to 21/6.5 lolll, dayum

king4day
04-10-2014, 02:58 PM
I'd go Green. He went from being decent in NJ and meh in Indy to being a huge reason the Suns are sniffing the playoffs. Without him, when Bledsoe was out, the Suns become a lottery team.
I'd even say Green is more valuable than Bledsoe.

LanceUpperCut
04-10-2014, 02:58 PM
Looking at the numbers, DMDR's assists and rebounds are up, but he is NOT a better scorer than he was last year. His percentages are all down, he's just taking more shot. There is no "wow" about that. You shot more, you score more. If you want to make a case about his defense.... I'll listen to that (though I'm not sure that's a good argument).

His FG is down, his FT is down, his 3pt is up slightly, and he's taking more shots. That wouldn't get my
vote.

He wouldn't get my vote simply because he was pretty damn good last year too. But when you say FT I'm assuming you mean % instead of whats actually important that is getting to the line which he is elite(top 3 guard/SF in the NBA) and has improved a lot. He also has improved everything about his game defense, turnovers and passing the ball is probably his biggest improvement.

With that said I'd still go with Green or Dragic, probably be Green since he is a perfect example of what this award means to me, somebody going from bench player or D league to a solid/very good NBA player. I hate when people pick guys like Anthony Davis who improved like he should from rookie to sophmore.

Goose17
04-10-2014, 05:02 PM
when you say FT I'm assuming you mean % instead of whats actually important that is getting to the line which he is elite(top 3 guard/SF in the NBA)

If he gets to the line twenty times but doesn't actually make the shot, what does it matter? That's not the case, just saying the amount of times you get to the line are only relevant if you actually make the shots, see Bogut, Howard etc

FraziersKnicks
04-10-2014, 05:11 PM
Goran Dragic or DeAndre Jordan

NoahH
04-10-2014, 05:38 PM
He hasnt improved hes just decided to take more shots. It should be Green, he was genuinely awful last year and has been very good this year.

That's my main issue with MIP to be honest. Ryan Anderson won it with identical stats as the year before. The only difference was he took 2 ish more shots per game and 6 more ppg.

RandomGaminCrew
04-12-2014, 06:10 PM
Derrick Rose

ohreally
04-13-2014, 12:14 AM
Shaun Livingston

Chrisclover
04-13-2014, 03:27 AM
Chandeler Parsons is also a candidate.

Duncan = Donkey
04-13-2014, 03:37 AM
Chandeler Parsons is also a candidate.

not even close.

YoungOne
04-13-2014, 05:53 AM
dragic and cousins seems the most improved, cousins improvement just goes unnoticed cause his team pretty much sux

edit: deandre jordan should get some recognition aswell

JayW_1023
04-14-2014, 11:07 AM
Toss up between Dragic and Anthony Davis.

ManRam
04-14-2014, 11:17 AM
I've never been huge on giving it to second year players.

Dragic or Green probably get my vote of the top of my head.

FlashBolt
04-14-2014, 01:12 PM
No one mentioned Lance Stephenson? Dude is a stud. No triple doubles in his career until he grabbed six this year. He needs to control his emotions but this guy is a beast.

JC_
04-14-2014, 01:51 PM
No one mentioned Lance Stephenson? Dude is a stud. No triple doubles in his career until he grabbed six this year. He needs to control his emotions but this guy is a beast.

I think Lance has a good shot at winning. Most people just saw Lance as a troll before but this season he became a major threat.

Teeboy1487
04-14-2014, 02:01 PM
Green no doubt. His name was the first name that came to mind before entering the thread for me.

kobe4thewinbang
04-14-2014, 02:01 PM
Kevin Durant? http://grizzlybomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/tumblr_lqf1bd9n301qmr00d.gif

kobe4thewinbang
04-14-2014, 02:02 PM
Any love for Blake Griffin? How about Monta Ellis?

Seahawker562
04-14-2014, 05:30 PM
ummmmmm how about Deandre freakin Jordan?!?!?!?!

dalton749
04-15-2014, 05:09 AM
Obviously a lot of options lol but I'll throw in mine.
Kyle Lowry
Been one of the best point guards in the league this year when people wouldn't even have him in their top 15 last year
Arguably a top 15 player in the whole league this year, and he was a backup last year