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Rentzias
04-04-2014, 12:02 PM
You are building an NBA team from scratch, and there is a guaranteed elite player at each position available in the draft. Assuming the coach/gm has no preference (we'll say they have balanced offensive/defensive philosophies) and the remainder of the league FAs and draftees are balanced as well, what position do you draft and build around?

About three to four years ago, this thread was basically a C or PG discussion. Is this still the case? Or do you now take a talented SF? Or is there a different dynamic now (maybe you take a mismatch-type player like Dirk or Magic, who have uncanny characteristics for their positions)?

Minimal
04-04-2014, 12:18 PM
Best players happen to be SF, I believe its the most important position in todays NBA

goose14741
04-04-2014, 12:37 PM
If you can have a high volume scorer thatvdoesnt give anything up on the other end then it doesnt matter what position he plays. Typically that has been the SG/SF (Lebron, Durant, George, even Melo at the PF) positions recently but I can see a few pg like Westbrook that can play on both ends to build around.
The Big men positions just dont cut it anymore for a centerpiece. Its all about who has the ball in their hands the most and who can create and breakdown a defense every possession if needed. The rise in speed and athleticism is the reason why.

PhillyFaninLA
04-04-2014, 12:39 PM
I would say SF or PF...a dominant center is always great but if you have the right Forward you can change a team. A great PG needs more players to be great than the other positions and I don't think SG is as important as the other 4.

I'd probably rank them this way:

SF/PF
C
PG
(other forward position)




SG

Raps18-19 Champ
04-04-2014, 12:42 PM
Based on NBA's current state, easily SF.

alexander_37
04-04-2014, 12:57 PM
The reason SF is so strong is because Lebron and Durant are just so much better than everyone else. No players at other positions are nearly as good.

That said I still go C and PG assuming they are all equal talents.

alexander_37
04-04-2014, 12:59 PM
If you can have a high volume scorer thatvdoesnt give anything up on the other end then it doesnt matter what position he plays. Typically that has been the SG/SF (Lebron, Durant, George, even Melo at the PF) positions recently but I can see a few pg like Westbrook that can play on both ends to build around.
The Big men positions just dont cut it anymore for a centerpiece. Its all about who has the ball in their hands the most and who can create and breakdown a defense every possession if needed. The rise in speed and athleticism is the reason why.

The thing is if you have an elite bigman ( which their aren't really anymore.) In say the Hakeem mold he would be nearly unstoppable. No one would be able to take him one on one and if you double him he can make the pass to the open man.

Stinkyoutsider
04-04-2014, 01:02 PM
I'd like to have a power forward who was dominant in the paint on both ends first. Stretching the floor would be something I would want my guards and SF to do and my center's responsibilities would be to help defend the paint and be versatile enough to play pick and roll defense.

I would have something that few teams have in the league today. A low post dominant scorer. Either take a high percentage shot or go to the foul line. And with the way the NBA is today, it might not be a bad idea to slow the game down and work from the post more.

RiLoc
04-04-2014, 01:08 PM
A multi-faceted scoring small forward, who can pass and shoot 3 pointers well.

I think that player is the find additional stars that fit with his skills as seen in this research presented at Sloan Sports, Big 2ís and Big 3ís: Analyzing How a Teamís Best Players Complement Each Other (http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Robert-Ayer-Sloan-Sports-Analytics-Conference.pdf).

goose14741
04-04-2014, 01:19 PM
If you can have a high volume scorer thatvdoesnt give anything up on the other end then it doesnt matter what position he plays. Typically that has been the SG/SF (Lebron, Durant, George, even Melo at the PF) positions recently but I can see a few pg like Westbrook that can play on both ends to build around.
The Big men positions just dont cut it anymore for a centerpiece. Its all about who has the ball in their hands the most and who can create and breakdown a defense every possession if needed. The rise in speed and athleticism is the reason why.

The thing is if you have an elite bigman ( which their aren't really anymore.) In say the Hakeem mold he would be nearly unstoppable. No one would be able to take him one on one and if you double him he can make the pass to the open man.

Very true but they justvarent groomed that way anymore. I blame AAU. These kids just run back in forth chucking up ***** trying to feature themselves and the post is non existent. All about the p n roll and being a shot blocker

P&GRealist
04-04-2014, 01:24 PM
Best players happen to be SF, I believe its the most important position in todays NBA
No, you mean point forwards.

Rentzias
04-04-2014, 03:30 PM
If you're building around a C, he'd better be an incredible passer the way defenses are constructed today.

ManRam
04-04-2014, 03:33 PM
A dynamic scoring wing...be it a 2 or a 3, is #1.

A big man, who excels on defense would be #2.

A PG is far down my list...because if I'm building it, I'm making sure the guys on my team all can pass and hope to have a good amount of play-makers. No need for a ball-dominating "true" or "pass-first" PG in my system!

abe_froman
04-04-2014, 03:39 PM
i dont think position matters to much anymore...but i'll pick c,just because i like having one

Jeffy25
04-04-2014, 03:59 PM
If each player had the same value, then I would take an elite center over an elite anything else.

Someone who could have an elite post game, good rebounder, decent range from within 12-15 feet. Someone who you could build around defensively.

I feel like then, you can be a contender by just putting good role players around him. Guys who have one good aspect of a game, but maybe not much else. Someone who is a good shooter at SG, a good ball handler at PG, maybe a strong defensive SF, and another good rebounder at PF.

Even these other starters are pretty weak players, you could still be a good team.

Now, someone like a Durant/James who is a SF who can play other positions, then that could be the most valuable. But having an elite center who can do it at all, that's the best player on the court. Having Wilt/Shaq combo out there is unstoppable.....please it's a weak position, there aren't many good centers out there. It's easier to find decent PG/SG/SF/PF for cheaper on the open market I think, then to find a good starting C on the open market.

Jeffy25
04-04-2014, 04:04 PM
A multi-faceted scoring small forward, who can pass and shoot 3 pointers well.

I think that player is the find additional stars that fit with his skills as seen in this research presented at Sloan Sports, Big 2ís and Big 3ís: Analyzing How a Teamís Best Players Complement Each Other (http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Robert-Ayer-Sloan-Sports-Analytics-Conference.pdf).

You sig!!!!!!

When/where was that?

ManningToTyree
04-04-2014, 04:11 PM
An elite center. Idk if there are currently any elite centers in the league. It would be a huge advantage.

Dwight is probably elite

Kaner
04-04-2014, 06:05 PM
A dynamic scoring wing...be it a 2 or a 3, is #1.

A big man, who excels on defense would be #2.

A PG is far down my list...because if I'm building it, I'm making sure the guys on my team all can pass and hope to have a good amount of play-makers. No need for a ball-dominating "true" or "pass-first" PG in my system!

this. Deciding factor for me is a player in the mold of Lebron/Durant is incredibly easy to build around.

koreancabbage
04-04-2014, 06:15 PM
A dynamic scoring wing...be it a 2 or a 3, is #1.

A big man, who excels on defense would be #2.

A PG is far down my list...because if I'm building it, I'm making sure the guys on my team all can pass and hope to have a good amount of play-makers. No need for a ball-dominating "true" or "pass-first" PG in my system!

a PG that can shoot the long ball because he'll be the one getting kick from the drive in most likely scenarios because opposing defending PG will slide down to help with double team for (1) scoring wing player (2) big man in the post.

IndyRealist
04-04-2014, 07:17 PM
The reason SF is so strong is because Lebron and Durant are just so much better than everyone else. No players at other positions are nearly as good.

That said I still go C and PG assuming they are all equal talents.
This. Outside of the top 2, SF is not any better than other positions. (Except SG, which is really, really bad.)

jerellh528
04-04-2014, 07:24 PM
Easy. Here's a hint, since Jordan the teams who have won an NBA title have had these players : David robinson, Tim duncan, Shaq, Ben and Rasheed wallace, Dirk, pau gasol , Kevin Garnett, Bosh.

tm95835
04-04-2014, 07:40 PM
To win a championship you need

A strong defensive pg (beverly) who can hit threes
A slashing sg who can hit threes and must be defended (08/09 Ray Allen)
A top 3 sf who can pretty much do anything (Lebron/durant)
A bulldog PF who has muscle and a elbow and corner jumper (taller david west)
A big strong bodied C who can give you 10 points in the post and block shots (Roy hibbert/Noah)

The bench is all 3 and D guys with 1 energy guy, 1 big center, 1 guy who can use the ball

Mix in 82 games, add water, leave it in the oven through june And you might just have a championship

jerellh528
04-04-2014, 07:44 PM
To win a championship you need

A strong defensive pg (beverly) who can hit threes
A slashing sg who can hit threes and must be defended (08/09 Ray Allen)
A top 3 sf who can pretty much do anything (Lebron/durant)
A bulldog PF who has muscle and a elbow and corner jumper (taller david west)
A big strong bodied C who can give you 10 points in the post and block shots (Roy hibbert/Noah)

The bench is all 3 and D guys with 1 energy guy, 1 big center, 1 guy who can use the ball

Mix in 82 games, add water, leave it in the oven through june And you might just have a championship

Haha this is like the exact opposite of Kobe/ gasol led champ teams