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JasonJohnHorn
03-29-2014, 05:27 PM
It was on this day in 1945 that Walt Frazier was born. That was not player before or since who matched Frazier in terms of fashion, but as a player, where do you think he would rank today?



It is hard to evaluate him with stats, because turnovers and steals were not recorded for much of his career, but his finals seasons may give some indication.

His scoring was decent, a solid shooting percentage, though not jaw dropping. He did't score a lot (he got about 18 points per36 on his career) and about 6 assists and almost as many rebounds in the same time (impressive for a point guard).

He was also 6'4 which would give him an edge over a lot of guys today.


Thoughts?

FraziersKnicks
03-29-2014, 05:32 PM
2nd best after CP3

In his prime years (24-30) he was named an All-Star 7 straight years and averaged 21/7/7 with 2 steals and shot about 50% from the field.

He also won two rings and averaged 21/7/6/2 on 51% shooting in the playoffs (including the greatest game 7 finals performance of all time when he put up 36 points, 7 rebounds and 19 assists to close out the Lakers for his first NBA title).

The guy was a straight up baller both on and off the court.

JEDean89
03-29-2014, 11:35 PM
he would be great, with the speed of the game and advanced understanding of conditioning, nutrition, etc, he would be elite.

DreamShaker
03-30-2014, 12:11 AM
He would be great. 6-4 2-way point guard that was clutch.

D-Leethal
03-30-2014, 10:59 AM
Best defender by a landslide.

ohreally
03-30-2014, 12:21 PM
I'd take him over any point in the league right now. Smart, composed, unflappable, complete game, great instincts, quick hands.

Hulk6
03-30-2014, 12:53 PM
#1 in swag

DillyDill
03-30-2014, 01:22 PM
I love big guards, him just being 6-4 is a huge advantage. I also love these type of "what if" questions too, so keep it up 😊

torocan
03-30-2014, 05:11 PM
I'd take him over any point in the league right now. Smart, composed, unflappable, complete game, great instincts, quick hands.

Screw that. The fashion bonus alone puts him in the Elite.

Walt Frazier

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdlsro9PLfqYCT4P6qwTbYf-vnDJIPRsxN9eyNyVXxZlTsvYiLyg

Russell Westbrook

http://cdn03.cdn.crunktastical.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/russell-westbrook-TCA.png

One of these two is gangster. The other is Russell Westbrook...

JasonJohnHorn
03-30-2014, 05:15 PM
2nd best after CP3

In his prime years (24-30) he was named an All-Star 7 straight years and averaged 21/7/7 with 2 steals and shot about 50% from the field.

He also won two rings and averaged 21/7/6/2 on 51% shooting in the playoffs (including the greatest game 7 finals performance of all time when he put up 36 points, 7 rebounds and 19 assists to close out the Lakers for his first NBA title).

The guy was a straight up baller both on and off the court.

This is about where I am in my thinking as well.

FraziersKnicks
03-30-2014, 05:39 PM
Screw that. The fashion bonus alone puts him in the Elite.

Walt Frazier

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdlsro9PLfqYCT4P6qwTbYf-vnDJIPRsxN9eyNyVXxZlTsvYiLyg

Russell Westbrook

http://cdn03.cdn.crunktastical.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/russell-westbrook-TCA.png

One of these two is gangster. The other is Russell Westbrook...

:laugh2:

Westbrook has such an awful style. He really strives to be groundbreaking and he just looks terrible.

Clyde is just the man, my favourite player of all-time.

http://www.tallguysgearguide.com/.a/6a0148c6c126f4970c014e5fb61141970c-320wi

abe_froman
03-30-2014, 05:53 PM
2nd best after CP3

In his prime years (24-30) he was named an All-Star 7 straight years and averaged 21/7/7 with 2 steals and shot about 50% from the field.

He also won two rings and averaged 21/7/6/2 on 51% shooting in the playoffs (including the greatest game 7 finals performance of all time when he put up 36 points, 7 rebounds and 19 assists to close out the Lakers for his first NBA title).

The guy was a straight up baller both on and off the court.

you add to it that he's arguably the greatest defender among pg's of all time, and i might put them equal at least

Ill21
03-30-2014, 06:56 PM
Him and CP3 would be the top PG

Hawkeye15
03-30-2014, 07:30 PM
his defensive ability would be probably the best at his position in the league, and I figure he challenges CP3 for best PG in the league right now.

Would like to see his stats in this much slower era though. He wouldn't be a 20-6 player, but his defense would just be rock starish.

Chronz
03-30-2014, 08:24 PM
Never knew he had such high rebounding averages in the playoffs, pretty sick. The game has changed alot since then but Clyde was adaptable, could play slow/fast, showed a willingness to defer when he mastered Holzman's pass happy system and again when paired alongside another ball dominant PG. So he would definitely bring his team some 2-way versatility. Would prolly average more assists in the current era via the changing interpretation of the assist and the fact that you see more screen action today.
Oddly enough, that historical G7 that everyone cites, was an example of him getting friendly treatment from the score keepers IMO, the kind of treatment most passers get today.

IIRC, you left Walt off your top-15 in the All-Time PG rankings, hope you've changed your mind on that one.

slaker619
03-30-2014, 08:40 PM
He was dirty, would wash most of this leagues current PG

FlashBolt
03-31-2014, 01:48 AM
Nah, not putting him ahead of Westbrook.