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sunsfan88
03-16-2014, 12:38 AM
I think one of the main reasons he choked in the 2011 Finals was cause Dallas forced him to shoot the ball and beat them instead of just driving it in.

I think he worked on it a ton that summer and improved it drastically. Even last year's finals, the Spurs were daring LBJ to shoot in the game 7 and he killed them for it.

Back in 2011, I'd give him a D+ for his shooting ability but now I think I'll give him a B-.

BTW when I say shooter, I mean 3s, long 2s and mid range all included.

MTar786
03-16-2014, 12:41 AM
b- to c+. but people seem to think the guy is an A or b+ at worst.

beyourself
03-16-2014, 12:43 AM
Spot up shooting is not bad.

His shooting while doing his moves is below average.

ghettosean
03-16-2014, 12:44 AM
A from close range

C+ from 3 point range and long 2s

Also there was a reason Pop was daring him to shoot in game 7 I remember being relieved seeing Lebron take the final shot in game 6 then came Ray Ray... lol

PacersForLife
03-16-2014, 12:46 AM
I guess I would say a B.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2014, 12:53 AM
B. His jumper has gotten to the point where it's elite because defenders are terrified of his drive, but at the same time, it's gotten well above average that it opens up that drive. If he didn't have the attacking ability, he would be an average shooter. But the mere fact that his defender has to entirely respect his drive, makes his outside looks pretty easy, considering.

But hey, the name of the game is all about impact. Since he got a legit jumper the last 3 years, he became totally unstoppable.

Tony_Starks
03-16-2014, 12:56 AM
C+. Definitely improved. Mechanics are better, shoots on balance and in rhythm much more often now. But it's still hard for me to truly judge it because he still gets the Rondo treatment where they just back off and give it to him.

It will be interesting to see once he gets older and loses the athleticism what happens. Will be able to hit those jumpers with people draped all over him?

Sadds The Gr8
03-16-2014, 12:59 AM
C+. Definitely improved. Mechanics are better, shoots on balance and in rhythm much more often now. But it's still hard for me to truly judge it because he still gets the Rondo treatment where they just back off and give it to him.

It will be interesting to see once he gets older and loses the athleticism what happens. Will be able to hit those jumpers with people draped all over him?

Completely different tho. They back off Rondo because he's a god awful shooter, whereas they back off Lebron because defenses are scared of his slashing. It's more pick your poison with Lebron rather than saying, hey, you suck *** at shooting, so we'll give it to you.

Raps18-19 Champ
03-16-2014, 01:09 AM
If he is set, about A- ish. On the move, like a C+ ish.

Corey
03-16-2014, 01:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/mcXcM6R.png

Damn good.

beyourself
03-16-2014, 01:20 AM
If he is set, about A- ish. On the move, like a C+ ish.

Exactly. If LeBron is just chilling in the corner you might want to watch out. He's not a very good creater though.

Tony_Starks
03-16-2014, 01:20 AM
Completely different tho. They back off Rondo because he's a god awful shooter, whereas they back off Lebron because defenses are scared of his slashing. It's more pick your poison with Lebron rather than saying, hey, you suck *** at shooting, so we'll give it to you.

Oh I totally agree. The choice between getting steamrolled to the basket or giving up a jumper isn't a choice.

I'm just saying regardless of the reason the majority of his shots are pretty low degree of difficulty so I would expect him to shoot at a high clip....

Sadds The Gr8
03-16-2014, 01:21 AM
Oh I totally agree. The choice between getting steamrolled to the basket or giving up a jumper isn't a choice.

I'm just saying regardless of the reason the majority of his shots are pretty low degree of difficulty so I would expect him to shoot at a high clip....

fair enough

Kashmir13579
03-16-2014, 01:50 AM
I was gonna vote B, then i compulsively went with B+..

jerellh528
03-16-2014, 01:52 AM
If an A is a guy like Nash or curry then lbj is about a C+

Kashmir13579
03-16-2014, 01:54 AM
His 3pt shooting over the 2-3 seasons shows you all you need to know to answer this question..

amos1er
03-16-2014, 02:28 AM
Too ambiguous of a question. Outside shooter? Inside shooter? Mid range? Free-Throw? 3 point? Off the dribble? Off a screen? Spot up? Pure shooter? Overall? Too many factors. He def has his spots on the floor where he is money, and some where he is weak. For sure his greatest strength is not shooting, but he does get a lot of respect from defenders because of his ability to take people off the dribble due to his quickness and size, so that helps him get a lot of free space that 99.9% of other NBA players don't, which helps him shoot at a higher percentage than those who are better pure shooters than him. So as far as being a pure shooter, I would say he is a B/B- by NBA standards, but again, he can get better open looks than those guys due to his athleticism so that attribute alone boosts him to an A.

lamzoka
03-16-2014, 03:36 AM
C-

amos1er
03-16-2014, 03:46 AM
His 3pt shooting over the 2-3 seasons shows you all you need to know to answer this question..

That is just one facet of shooting. That and his ability to drive on people frees him up more than 99.9% of the three point shooters in the NBA. The end does justify the means however, but his ability as a pure shooter is still not among the NBA elite. Ray Allen, Dirk, Curry, and Durant are amongst the best in the league still when it comes to pure shooting.

Supreme LA
03-16-2014, 08:01 AM
If he is set, about A- ish. On the move, like a C+ ish.

I really can't take you seriously when you grade Lebron as shooter at being an A-. I mean, let's say Steph Curry and KD receive A's. There is no way you can justify Lebron being that close to either of them because Lebron is no where close to being as pure of a shooter in a set shot, catch & shoot, or and definitely not in the same stratosphere off the bounce.

I'm guessing you may have curved your grade however because, well, we know how Lebron fans are.

ewing
03-16-2014, 08:11 AM
His 3pt shooting over the 2-3 seasons shows you all you need to know to answer this question..

No it doesn't. If people dared me to shoot the ball i could knock it down when I choose to take it. Bron is hardly and an excellent jump shooter. He can be a good scorer from outside b/c the other facets of his game dictate that you let him shoot. Yeah, he has to make them but if wasn't an unstoppable force once he got going north/south he would not be a very good scorer from outside 16.

Supreme LA
03-16-2014, 08:17 AM
No it doesn't. If people dared me to shoot the ball i could knock it down when I choose to take it. Bron is hardly and an excellent jump shooter. He can be a good scorer from outside b/c the other facets of his game dictate that you let him shoot. Yeah, he has to make them but if wasn't an unstoppable force once he got going north/south he would not be a very good scorer from outside 16.

Exactly. Evaluating shooting skills isn't about how many wide open shots he can make. Seriously, try shooting with defenders playing for the shot on every possession the way Curry and KD are and then come back and talk to me.

ewing
03-16-2014, 08:25 AM
I really can't take you seriously when you grade Lebron as shooter at being an A-. I mean, let's say Steph Curry and KD receive A's. There is no way you can justify Lebron being that close to either of them because Lebron is no where close to being as pure of a shooter in a set shot, catch & shoot, or and definitely not in the same stratosphere off the bounce.

I'm guessing you may have curved your grade however because, well, we know how Lebron fans are.



Try defending Curry the way the Spurs defended Bron. He would drop 80

FraziersKnicks
03-16-2014, 08:48 AM
A from close range

C+ from 3 point range and long 2s

Also there was a reason Pop was daring him to shoot in game 7 I remember being relieved seeing Lebron take the final shot in game 6 then came Ray Ray... lol

That worked out well for them didn't it.....

Yankeefan213
03-16-2014, 08:55 AM
B. His jumper has come a long way, but he is still too inconsistent with it.

elledaddy
03-16-2014, 08:56 AM
He is an average shooter so Ill say a C. Every game, you hear "If his jumpers on, he's ungaurdable". Thats an average shooter. If he's a B, then whats Kobe, Melo, Love, Dirk, Harden? Then after that, whats KD,Curry,Novak, Nash, Korver, Dunleavy etc...? You have to grade LBJ compared to his peers and in that case, he's in the middle of the road.

ewing
03-16-2014, 09:06 AM
That worked out well for them didn't it.....


it worked for 6 games. They were a Parker hamstring or Duncan layin away and they gave Bron anything outside 16 the whole series. He is a better shooter then he was those 6 games but calling this guy an elite shooter is a joke

Jamiecballer
03-16-2014, 09:18 AM
C+. Definitely improved. Mechanics are better, shoots on balance and in rhythm much more often now.


I think its a B. He makes tough shots with people draped on him, I dont think its fair to penalize him for the fact that people are terrified to let him blow by.

KnicksorBust
03-16-2014, 09:28 AM
That is just one facet of shooting. That and his ability to drive on people frees him up more than 99.9% of the three point shooters in the NBA. The end does justify the means however, but his ability as a pure shooter is still not among the NBA elite. Ray Allen, Dirk, Curry, and Durant are amongst the best in the league still when it comes to pure shooting.

Completely disagree. LeBron is assisted on 59% of his 3's this season. Kyle Korver is assisted on 97% of his 3's this season. The idea that LeBron "more open" than spot-up shooters is absurd.

A-

ewing
03-16-2014, 09:32 AM
Completely disagree. LeBron is assisted on 59% of his 3's this season. Kyle Korver is assisted on 97% of his 3's this season. The idea that LeBron "more open" than spot-up shooters is absurd.

A-

He doesn't need an assist b/c his defender has one foot in the paint. Kover needs an assist b/c all he can do is shoot and everyone is trying to take away the J.

Teeboy1487
03-16-2014, 09:41 AM
C as in an average mid to long range shooter. He's not the best mid to long range shooter in the world but not the worst either. As a close range shooter, slasher, or in the paint, I wish I could go higher than A+. I have to say B overall.

PurpleLynch
03-16-2014, 09:44 AM
B for me.

JasonJohnHorn
03-16-2014, 10:12 AM
I voted A+ (the only one so far) not because he is a great shooter like Ray Allen (though his long range shot is great), but because he is a smart shooter, and that is 90% of the battle.


He reminds me of Rondo in the sense that he only takes shots that he knows he's got a good chance of hitting. Obviously he is a better shooter than Rondo, but like Rondo, his FG% is much higher than his ability actually is. The reason is that unless he's in a confortable spot, he's not going to force the shot. He'll look for the better opportunity, be it moving to the basket, creating an opening, or moving the ball to a teammate. He gets a lot of fast break points and he's great at finishing at the rim, which ups his FG%, and he is a great 3pt shooter, which means his FG% isn't impacted the way it is for some.


So sometimes being a smart shooter and know when you have a good shot, makes you a great shooter.

So, A+ from me.

That said, anybody who is voting lower than an A- is underestimating LBJ. His midrange isn't as great as some, but bottom line is he puts the ball in the hoop more efficiently than any wing player in the league outside of maybe Durant.

ewing
03-16-2014, 10:19 AM
I voted A+ (the only one so far) not because he is a great shooter like Ray Allen (though his long range shot is great), but because he is a smart shooter, and that is 90% of the battle.


He reminds me of Rondo in the sense that he only takes shots that he knows he's got a good chance of hitting. Obviously he is a better shooter than Rondo, but like Rondo, his FG% is much higher than his ability actually is. The reason is that unless he's in a confortable spot, he's not going to force the shot. He'll look for the better opportunity, be it moving to the basket, creating an opening, or moving the ball to a teammate. He gets a lot of fast break points and he's great at finishing at the rim, which ups his FG%, and he is a great 3pt shooter, which means his FG% isn't impacted the way it is for some.


So sometimes being a smart shooter and know when you have a good shot, makes you a great shooter.

So, A+ from me.


Part of that is being able to get any look you want b/c of the way people check you and the fact that you are biggest most athletic guy on the floor every night. Regardless, if you ask me if a guy can shoot i am only looking at his shot and not his decision making. They are different skills. Personally i think you have about the same chance of beating Bron in a game of around the world as you do Scalabrine. Bron is not a great shooter.

Da Knicks
03-16-2014, 11:06 AM
C+ because he has gotten better, I wonder how good he would be if the defense wouldn't respect his drive?

Htownballa1622
03-16-2014, 11:25 AM
C +

I'm a huge lebron fan and no doubt he takes smart shots but when I see durant, curry, harden effortlessly pull up from deep I feel it's going in.

With him it depends on if he's feeling it. There are games he'll hit a few in a row, then there are games he won't even take an outside jumper imo.

Goose17
03-16-2014, 11:26 AM
Assuming C is the league average, anyone with an eFG% of .51 on jump shots deserves to be above a C+

Taking into account how many are assisted on and how he moves off the ball, his ability to create clean looks for himself and the ability to shoot it in the clutch. I'm going to give him a B+

Chrisclover
03-16-2014, 11:31 AM
b+ maybe an appropriate one while C or C+ is an understatement clearly.Check out his FG%,even though many of his shots are in the paint ,you still can not deny that he is a smart shooter who seldom forces his shots,which is in contrast to Kobe

Raps18-19 Champ
03-16-2014, 11:39 AM
I really can't take you seriously when you grade Lebron as shooter at being an A-. I mean, let's say Steph Curry and KD receive A's. There is no way you can justify Lebron being that close to either of them because Lebron is no where close to being as pure of a shooter in a set shot, catch & shoot, or and definitely not in the same stratosphere off the bounce.

I'm guessing you may have curved your grade however because, well, we know how Lebron fans are.

Never did I grade him an A- as an overall shooter.

FYL_McVeezy
03-16-2014, 12:01 PM
He's improved to a solid B on his jump shots IMO

ztilzer31
03-16-2014, 12:09 PM
B, but I gave thought into B+.

mngopher35
03-16-2014, 12:29 PM
B- or so sounds right. As others have stated he is generally a smart shooter which would give him a higher grade if accounted for. The other thing is getting extra space due to his driving ability. When you put all 3 together it explains his good percentages.

JasonJohnHorn
03-16-2014, 12:31 PM
Part of that is being able to get any look you want b/c of the way people check you and the fact that you are biggest most athletic guy on the floor every night. Regardless, if you ask me if a guy can shoot i am only looking at his shot and not his decision making. They are different skills. Personally i think you have about the same chance of beating Bron in a game of around the world as you do Scalabrine. Bron is not a great shooter.


I agree that there is a difference between shooting ability and shot selection, but I do think they are interrelated at the very least.

As to a game of around the world, LeBron IS a great 3pt shooter. He took almost 4 a game last season and hit better than 40% of them. This year he is shooting aroudn 37%, which is still great.

He has range. He's great in the paint, and he's great from behind the arc. His mid-range is good, but not great, but the same can be said for a lot of three-point specialists who are great long-range shooters but have no mid-range game.

Looking at the shooting stats NBA.com has: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShooting.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25 it seems clear that his 3p shooting is great, his catch and shoot percentage is almost at 50%, and his finished as well as anybody. His pull up jumper is where he lags behind (35%), but other compensate for that.

Kevin Love is at 32% there, and he's widely regarded as a great shooter, while Harden is at 37%, not much better than James, while both have far inferior catch-and-shoot numbers.

Durant is considered a great shooter, and though his pull-up is better than James, his catch and shoot is not nearly as good.

I think giving LBJ anything less than an A- is seriously underrating his shot. Considering how much attention he gets from defenses, I don't think anybody coudl score 26 a game with a percentage as his as his and shoot 3's at 37% and not be a great shooter, even if the percentages are a little higher than his shot because he finishes so well (which isn't 'shooting', but rather dunking). Though his close shots, which aren't dunks, go in a high rate as well.

ghettosean
03-16-2014, 12:39 PM
A from close range

C+ from 3 point range and long 2s

Also there was a reason Pop was daring him to shoot in game 7 I remember being relieved seeing Lebron take the final shot in game 6 then came Ray Ray... lol

That worked out well for them didn't it.....

Worked well in game 6 if you read the entire post.

mjm07
03-16-2014, 12:46 PM
Solid B+

ewing
03-16-2014, 12:47 PM
I agree that there is a difference between shooting ability and shot selection, but I do think they are interrelated at the very least.

As to a game of around the world, LeBron IS a great 3pt shooter. He took almost 4 a game last season and hit better than 40% of them. This year he is shooting aroudn 37%, which is still great.

He has range. He's great in the paint, and he's great from behind the arc. His mid-range is good, but not great, but the same can be said for a lot of three-point specialists who are great long-range shooters but have no mid-range game.

Looking at the shooting stats NBA.com has: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShooting.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25 it seems clear that his 3p shooting is great, his catch and shoot percentage is almost at 50%, and his finished as well as anybody. His pull up jumper is where he lags behind (35%), but other compensate for that.

Kevin Love is at 32% there, and he's widely regarded as a great shooter, while Harden is at 37%, not much better than James, while both have far inferior catch-and-shoot numbers.

Durant is considered a great shooter, and though his pull-up is better than James, his catch and shoot is not nearly as good.

I think giving LBJ anything less than an A- is seriously underrating his shot. Considering how much attention he gets from defenses, I don't think anybody coudl score 26 a game with a percentage as his as his and shoot 3's at 37% and not be a great shooter, even if the percentages are a little higher than his shot because he finishes so well (which isn't 'shooting', but rather dunking). Though his close shots, which aren't dunks, go in a high rate as well.


All this proves is he is a great scorer not a great shooter. I am a very good shooter. My % against NBA competition would be dreadful. Scal was decent shooter just like Bron. Seriously, do you think Bron beats a guys like Curry or Kover in a shooting contest with no one else on the floor. He might 1 out 15 times or so but most of the time he is getting his *** kicked by an elite shooters in a shooting competitions. Who goes over on the screen roll against Bron? No one. He can get a clean look form downtown any time he wants it b/c the defenses give it. Who meets Bron above the 3 point line if he is brining down after a rebound? No one. Who goes under on Curry? No one unless forced. Who doesn't come out to meet Curry? Guys who get benched. See the difference.

meloman1592
03-16-2014, 12:51 PM
Average nba shooter. If curry/klay/kd are A's, bron is a C

goingfor28
03-16-2014, 12:54 PM
F+

meloman1592
03-16-2014, 12:54 PM
He has great percentages but that doesn't nearly tell the story

3RDASYSTEM
03-16-2014, 01:10 PM
I think one of the main reasons he choked in the 2011 Finals was cause Dallas forced him to shoot the ball and beat them instead of just driving it in.

I think he worked on it a ton that summer and improved it drastically. Even last year's finals, the Spurs were daring LBJ to shoot in the game 7 and he killed them for it.

Back in 2011, I'd give him a D+ for his shooting ability but now I think I'll give him a B-.

BTW when I say shooter, I mean 3s, long 2s and mid range all included.

Well coming out of HS he had 26ft range on his personal scouting report and his only weakness was free throws(which is today still but improved no doubt), but like I say over and over on here you are who you are pretty much day 1

let me make this clear, he is not on a level of KD/BIRD/IVERSON/TMAC/MILLER/DIRK/CURRY/R ALLEN/D ELLIS type level of pure natural shooting and running off screens and so on, but he is on not on a DWADE type shooting level and he has improved his range but still very shaky at times, mid range is more lethal and BRON has that down pat, its only his 3 ball that is shaky and that finals was clearly rigged to freeze out BRON, just go look at the 3 series prior til the finals, he went from looking like the GOAT to tragic MAGIC levels then came back and dominated 12' finals, like it was night and day

BRON can shoot just not on A level naturally but far from D then or now, he was always in the B range, I had him at B+

see what I mean when I say you are who you are? since you have him at B- and I always said day 1 he was in B range, go back and watch him in HS, he did it all but free throws was his pure weakness as he shot better from field than he did free throw wise in HS senior year if im not mistaking

D-Leethal
03-16-2014, 02:03 PM
ewing is right. I have had this conversation here before - shooting a high %, even if you isolate the jump shooting %s, doesn't make you a great shooter. Too many factors involved. Teams dare LeBron to shoot and in tight games after missing a couple he is frightened to shoot even when left wide open. He is an elite scorer, meh shooter. The majority of his jump shots are pretty much wide open, he had great shot selection and doesn't force it, that doesn't mean he has great shooting ability.

bucketss
03-16-2014, 02:06 PM
for a big man A+

JasonJohnHorn
03-16-2014, 02:22 PM
All this proves is he is a great scorer not a great shooter. I am a very good shooter. My % against NBA competition would be dreadful. Scal was decent shooter just like Bron. Seriously, do you think Bron beats a guys like Curry or Kover in a shooting contest with no one else on the floor. He might 1 out 15 times or so but most of the time he is getting his *** kicked by an elite shooters in a shooting competitions. Who goes over on the screen roll against Bron? No one. He can get a clean look form downtown any time he wants it b/c the defenses give it. Who meets Bron above the 3 point line if he is brining down after a rebound? No one. Who goes under on Curry? No one unless forced. Who doesn't come out to meet Curry? Guys who get benched. See the difference.

I agree that Curry is a better shooter, 100%. But just because he is better, does that make LeBron any less?



And does a game of Around the World really indicate who a good shooter is? Shooting is not just about form,but being able to maintain that form against an opposing defense, or when you are mid air.

Shaq used to hit 90% of his free throws in practice because after he got past the first two or three, he'd get a rhythm, but in the game it was a different story. Dennis Rodman, in practice, was the best three point shooter on the Pistons according to Chuck Daly, does that mean he can be considered a great shooter?


I think we would agree on most things, but my point is that his long range shot is solid, his catch-and-shoot numbers are among the best in the league, and it is really only his pull-up jumpers that he's lagging behind on, and given the attention that is paid to him on defense, his numbers are amazing.

I'll take Curry in a shooting contest any day of the week, but is that what we are talking about?

In game, taking shots, where does LBJ rank?

And I think you might be surprised at how well LBJ would do in a shooting competition when he's not being double-teamed. If he can hit this many shots with all the double-teams that come his way, imagine what he would he would do if he only got the kind of attentin Brian Sacalibrina got.

I agree, his percentages, like Rondo, are higher than his shooting ability is, but he IS a great shooter, and as important, he knows his limits and takes shots accordingly.


I can accept that some might not see him as an A+ shooter as I do, my stance is somewhat polemic, but he certainly is no less than an A-. People say Kevin Love and Kevin Durant are great shooters, and he's better than both of them in some respects.

smiddy012
03-16-2014, 02:33 PM
To me it seems like Lebron saves the full display of his offensive arsenal for the playoffs. Wheras in the regular season he tends to take less risks, focusing on the most efficient parts of his offensive game.

This is a big reason why the Bulls look better against the Heat in the regular season than the playoffs, cuz Lebron doesn't even play his whole hand during the regular season.

Last two times we played Lebron in the playoffs, Lebron could seemingly hit it from anywhere. He completely turned in on, and was completely unstoppable. It was reminiscent of MJ how he took over those two series.

Lebron obviously ain't no Curry shooting wise, but when he puts his mind to it, and has that killer instinct (that for some reason the Bulls tend to provoke come playoffs), he can hit it from anywhere.

This is why I tell fellow Bulls fans to not let the regular season success vs the Heat get to their heads... Cuz Lebrons so good, he's still got an ace or two up his sleeve, for when his team really needs it.

ewing
03-16-2014, 02:40 PM
I agree that Curry is a better shooter, 100%. But just because he is better, does that make LeBron any less?



And does a game of Around the World really indicate who a good shooter is? Shooting is not just about form,but being able to maintain that form against an opposing defense, or when you are mid air.

Shaq used to hit 90% of his free throws in practice because after he got past the first two or three, he'd get a rhythm, but in the game it was a different story. Dennis Rodman, in practice, was the best three point shooter on the Pistons according to Chuck Daly, does that mean he can be considered a great shooter?


I think we would agree on most things, but my point is that his long range shot is solid, his catch-and-shoot numbers are among the best in the league, and it is really only his pull-up jumpers that he's lagging behind on, and given the attention that is paid to him on defense, his numbers are amazing.

I'll take Curry in a shooting contest any day of the week, but is that what we are talking about?

In game, taking shots, where does LBJ rank?

And I think you might be surprised at how well LBJ would do in a shooting competition when he's not being double-teamed. If he can hit this many shots with all the double-teams that come his way, imagine what he would he would do if he only got the kind of attentin Brian Sacalibrina got.

I agree, his percentages, like Rondo, are higher than his shooting ability is, but he IS a great shooter, and as important, he knows his limits and takes shots accordingly.


I can accept that some might not see him as an A+ shooter as I do, my stance is somewhat polemic, but he certainly is no less than an A-. People say Kevin Love and Kevin Durant are great shooters, and he's better than both of them in some respects.

Bron is not doubled on the perimeter the he is given a 5 foot cushion do that to A shooter and burns for 40 every time. Bron is an adequate jump shooter the fact that he is super elite driver, passer, and finisher makes his jump shot a weapon.

tr3ymill3r
03-16-2014, 02:41 PM
If your life is on the line how many guys would you choose before you got to LeBron to make a shot?

Tony_Starks
03-16-2014, 05:03 PM
If your life is on the line how many guys would you choose before you got to LeBron to make a shot?

A lot. There are two players on his own team I'd take first, we can start there....

But to the question I think most of us generally agree that the A level are the elite Dirk, Durant, Currys of the world, B are your Kobe, Harden and Melos, and C' s are your Lebrons...

ILLUSIONIST^248
03-16-2014, 05:17 PM
C

ILLUSIONIST^248
03-16-2014, 05:18 PM
for a big man A+
Lolololol

DR_1
03-16-2014, 05:22 PM
b- to c+. but people seem to think the guy is an A or b+ at worst.

I agree with this opinion.

Minimal
03-16-2014, 05:30 PM
Curry A+
Dirk A+
Durant A
Bron A-

Supreme LA
03-16-2014, 06:17 PM
Curry A+
Dirk A+
Durant A
Bron A-

:confused:

Meaze_Gibson
03-16-2014, 06:22 PM
Anybody who is an A shooter, you will feel surprised when they miss. You almost feel like they will make every shot.
Lebron with space given is a B+
Lebron having to create for his jumper is a C
Overall B-

For comparison, KD with space given is an A+
Kd having to create for jumper is an A
Overall A


Chris Paul with space given A
Having to create space is a B+
Overall B+

amos1er
03-16-2014, 10:53 PM
Completely disagree. LeBron is assisted on 59% of his 3's this season. Kyle Korver is assisted on 97% of his 3's this season. The idea that LeBron "more open" than spot-up shooters is absurd.

A-

I fail to see what that has to do with his man giving him more space. Just because he is assisted less, doesn't mean that his defender plays off of him less on the three point line.

Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

amos1er
03-16-2014, 10:54 PM
He doesn't need an assist b/c his defender has one foot in the paint. Kover needs an assist b/c all he can do is shoot and everyone is trying to take away the J.

Thank you.

amos1er
03-16-2014, 10:55 PM
B- or so sounds right. As others have stated he is generally a smart shooter which would give him a higher grade if accounted for. The other thing is getting extra space due to his driving ability. When you put all 3 together it explains his good percentages.

Bingo.

b@llhog24
03-17-2014, 09:10 AM
Around a B or so.

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b@llhog24
03-17-2014, 09:13 AM
He's really improved though. Guy used to be a +D on a good day.

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sunsfan88
03-17-2014, 07:18 PM
Anybody who is an A shooter, you will feel surprised when they miss. You almost feel like they will make every shot.
Lebron with space given is a B+
Lebron having to create for his jumper is a C
Overall B-

For comparison, KD with space given is an A+
Kd having to create for jumper is an A
Overall A


Chris Paul with space given A
Having to create space is a B+
Overall B+
Steve Nash & Ray Allen ought to be A+ too then.

savvy1803
03-17-2014, 07:58 PM
For me as an actual perimeter shooter he would be a C+ maybe a B - , he has worked extremely hard on his perimeter game and it shows , right now he is given more space to shoot his jumper because of his explosive first step . If you have a choice of defending him you will try and give up the perimeter as allowing him to drive ( where his shooting percentage and finishing ability around the rim is unreal ) is a no go .

Others have mentioned as he ages and loses that ability to beat you off the dribble how will this effect his jumper ? I believe it will have an effect on how much space and time he has to get his shot off so the percentages from the perimeter may drop as the defender is less worried about the drive . It should be noted though through more practice he will have a chance to refine his jumper even more lessening the drop , have to wait and see .

Age takes away speed and lift but it wont effect his size so even if his percentages do drop off he always has the choice to attack from down on the block , he is no Ray Allen ( a pure perimeter guy ) in my opinion but has definitely improved his outside shot .

Meaze_Gibson
03-17-2014, 09:12 PM
For me as an actual perimeter shooter he would be a C+ maybe a B - , he has worked extremely hard on his perimeter game and it shows , right now he is given more space to shoot his jumper because of his explosive first step . If you have a choice of defending him you will try and give up the perimeter as allowing him to drive ( where his shooting percentage and finishing ability around the rim is unreal ) is a no go .

Others have mentioned as he ages and loses that ability to beat you off the dribble how will this effect his jumper ? I believe it will have an effect on how much space and time he has to get his shot off so the percentages from the perimeter may drop as the defender is less worried about the drive . It should be noted though through more practice he will have a chance to refine his jumper even more lessening the drop , have to wait and see .

Age takes away speed and lift but it wont effect his size so even if his percentages do drop off he always has the choice to attack from down on the block , he is no Ray Allen ( a pure perimeter guy ) in my opinion but has definitely improved his outside shot .

Completely agree. However, the one thing that most shooters have that Lebron does not is that ultimate confidence. That confidence that even if i miss my first couple of shots then my jumper is still on. He will need to have that confidence as his athleticism stops or we will see a lot of indecision,(jumpshotpasses, overly pumpfaking, etc)

Ebbs
03-17-2014, 09:17 PM
I'd say B+/A- He can kill you with his shot.

Trwood12
03-17-2014, 09:47 PM
C+ to B- His shot is good but it still has some room for improvement. I think in the next few years he will be deadly from inside and out the three point line.

savvy1803
03-18-2014, 05:31 PM
Completely agree. However, the one thing that most shooters have that Lebron does not is that ultimate confidence. That confidence that even if i miss my first couple of shots then my jumper is still on. He will need to have that confidence as his athleticism stops or we will see a lot of indecision,(jumpshotpasses, overly pumpfaking, etc)

Interesting take and yes having supreme confidence is important , it seems that the great perimeter guys do indeed have a short memory and don't hesitate to shoot even if they as 0 for whatever , convinced that the next one will fall .

Ebbs
03-18-2014, 05:34 PM
Anybody who is an A shooter, you will feel surprised when they miss. You almost feel like they will make every shot.
Lebron with space given is a B+
Lebron having to create for his jumper is a C
Overall B-

For comparison, KD with space given is an A+
Kd having to create for jumper is an A
Overall A


Chris Paul with space given A
Having to create space is a B+
Overall B+

Lol at trying to make a 109% speculative opinion based variable into a concrete formula.

slashsnake
03-18-2014, 06:45 PM
Fun thread. I'd give Lebron a B- with an A for shot selection. He doesn't have an elite midrange jumper or a great three, but doesn't let loose with them randomly either. Play off and he'll take it, or when his team needs the 3, but other than that, he'll look for the highest percentage shot he can get, which leads to his insane shooting percentages.

Jasper6
03-18-2014, 06:49 PM
His shot and the way it gets going is very similar to Allen Iverson's in his prime. If dude gets going its over...his form is good, but its all mental for him, sometimes **** happeneds. However his shot selection is an A+.

NBA_Starter
03-18-2014, 07:27 PM
He gets an A+ so far tonight in Cleveland.

Meaze_Gibson
03-19-2014, 10:11 AM
Lol at trying to make a 109% speculative opinion based variable into a concrete formula.

Nah just attempting to be as accurate as i can with my opinion while showing logic. And giving out grades is one of the most subjective stats out so dont know where you are getting concrete from. BBall heads know outside shooting is broken down into open shots and creating your own shot. Bron good with the one dribble pull up but still needs work on creating that space off the dribble

effen5
03-19-2014, 11:39 AM
D

xxplayerxx23
03-19-2014, 03:28 PM
B+

Baller1
03-19-2014, 04:58 PM
B+