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beyourself
03-15-2014, 07:36 PM
https://twitter.com/WallaceNBA_ESPN/statuses/444906796197875712

Interesting. I think it's a little weak especially since LeBron is a better facilitator than scorer. But whatever, he probably knows more about his own game than I do.

Tony_Starks
03-15-2014, 07:45 PM
Kinda lame. A lot of excuses being made. Wade. The mask. The sleeves. Not getting enough touches in the fourth.

Those were all the ones used this month.

Aunt Jemima
03-15-2014, 07:49 PM
I think Bosh stopped giving the team pre-game handies

abe_froman
03-15-2014, 07:54 PM
he is the king of excuses

barreleffact
03-15-2014, 07:58 PM
he is the king of excuses

Now we bashing LJ???

JK buddy, I TOTALLY agree. He has always been an incredibly talented guy that whines and makes excuses at every opportunity.

archdevil84
03-15-2014, 08:46 PM
i dont realy understand the twitter message. Is lebron exhausted from playing time because he needs to do more with wade resting alot or is the problem when they are both on the court playing?

Slug3
03-15-2014, 08:51 PM
Actually what got Lebron put of a rhythm is his broken nose and then taking the mask off. Once he did that he stopped attacking. If you don't believe me go look at his recent FT attempts. It's literally an all time low the past few games.

nastynice
03-15-2014, 08:56 PM
Lebron's really been vocal this year, really trying to vocally crown himself as the best in the game today, and one of the best in history. I'm not necessarily for it or against it, I understand he is a rare talent and wants to create his legacy, so maybe that's just what he's doing. But he's definitely been very different this year, he is trying to actively create the image that he wants to create of himself. I don't remember him ever being close to this vocal in past years.

In a way I respect it, he'd rather have a hand in creating his character rather than letting media and experts create his character. I also respect the fact that in his mind (and in most people's) he is the best, and he has no problem reminding everyone about it. But also, in a way it comes off as a kind of dick move, the WAY he's been saying things. He doesn't seem to have the best choice of words. Which may or may not be on purpose.

beasted86
03-15-2014, 08:58 PM
Actually what got Lebron put of a rhythm is his broken nose and then taking the mask off. Once he did that he stopped attacking. If you don't believe me go look at his recent FT attempts. It's literally an all time low the past few games.
Yes, this has been extremely frustrating. I've been yelling at the TV when he settles for those long jumpers. He's also almost completely abandoned the post. Every single defender on Denver's team should have been lunch meat for LeBron in the post, including Arthur. But instead he only went down there a couple times.

Slug3
03-15-2014, 09:00 PM
Lebron's really been vocal this year, really trying to vocally crown himself as the best in the game today, and one of the best in history. I'm not necessarily for it or against it, I understand he is a rare talent and wants to create his legacy, so maybe that's just what he's doing. But he's definitely been very different this year, he is trying to actively create the image that he wants to create of himself.

In a way I respect it, he'd rather have a hand in how he is remembered rather than letting media and experts create his character. But also, in a way it comes off as a kind of dick move, the WAY he's been saying things. He doesn't seem to have the best choice of words.

Let's be honest here. What does vocal mean though? That we as fans here more about it from the media? The thing is back in Jordan and possible early Shaq and Kobe days the media part of the game is not as big as it is now. I mean today's game in CA I can find out how practice went for the Heat in FL. That would not happen back in the day unless you had espn and they talked about it. The way the media is today is way different from 10 years ago. And then thinking about 20 years ago it was damn near non existent. Hearing things like this is no different from what I'm sure people said back then. We just didn't hear about it unless you tuned into your local sports show on tv and they said something about it.

nastynice
03-15-2014, 09:06 PM
Let's be honest here. What does vocal mean though? That we as fans here more about it from the media? The thing is back in Jordan and possible early Shaq and Kobe days the media part of the game is not as big as it is now. I mean today's game in CA I can find out how practice went for the Heat in FL. That would not happen back in the day unless you had espn and they talked about it. The way the media is today is way different from 10 years ago. And then thinking about 20 years ago it was damn near non existent. Hearing things like this is no different from what I'm sure people said back then. We just didn't hear about it unless you tuned into your local sports show on tv and they said something about it.

oh, I 100% agree. I was actually about to put that in my post too, but then said whatever. But yea, this is definitely a NEW era as far as media is concerned.

However, he IS being more active about it, so he is purposely doing this stuff. Its not like he's the same as he's always been and the media just so happens to be blowing the stories about him up. He is actively putting things out there in the press on twitter and whatever else.

But that's why its hard for me to necessarily be for or against it. He's playing this new era, wether he's playing it the right way or wrong way I have no clue, only time will tell, but he's definitely playing this media game. It could very possibly end up being very genius on his part.

Him actively putting things out there, it shows a particular fearlessness about him, and I respect that. I respect that he rather create his own image than allow others to create his image.

Slug3
03-15-2014, 09:17 PM
oh, I 100% agree. I was actually about to put that in my post too, but then said whatever. But yea, this is definitely a NEW era as far as media is concerned.

However, he IS being more active about it, so he is purposely doing this stuff. Its not like he's the same as he's always been and the media just so happens to be blowing the stories about him up. He is actively putting things out there in the press on twitter and whatever else.

But that's why its hard for me to necessarily be for or against it. He's playing this new era, wether he's playing it the right way or wrong way I have no clue, only time will tell, but he's definitely playing this media game. It could very possibly end up being very genius on his part.

Him actively putting things out there, it shows a particular fearlessness about him, and I respect that. I respect that he rather create his own image than allow others to create his image.

Just an assumption. But he has been league MVP last 2 years and finals MVP. Maybe he feels upset that after the last 2 great years he has had he should get more credit while the media is talking about KD catching up to him. Though I can agree with him to a certain level. He needs to understand this business is always going to be a "what have you done for me lately" business. Again this is just my speculation.

beyourself
03-15-2014, 09:23 PM
Just an assumption. But he has been league MVP last 2 years and finals MVP. Maybe he feels upset that after the last 2 great years he has had he should get more credit while the media is talking about KD catching up to him. Though I can agree with him to a certain level. He needs to understand this business is always going to be a "what have you done for me lately" business. Again this is just my speculation.

I agree with you, but let's remember that KD has been straight balling since 2009. While LeBron has been the best player in the world KD has been a steady 2nd.

His WS by season

09-10 16.1
10-11 12.0
11-12 12.2 strike year
12-13 18.9
13-14 15.8 Still season left

KD hasn't snuck up on anyone, he's been a consistent 2nd best player in the world for YEARS NOW. Now he's entering his prime and taking his game to a level similar to LeBron. That's just the maturation of him as a player.

Slug3
03-15-2014, 09:25 PM
I agree with you, but let's remember that KD has been straight balling since 2009. While LeBron has been the best player in the world KD has been a steady 2nd.

His WS by season

09-10 16.1
10-11 12.0
11-12 12.2 strike year
12-13 18.9
13-14 15.8 Still season left

KD hasn't snuck up on anyone, he's been a consistent 2nd best player in the world for YEARS NOW. Now he's entering his prime and taking his game to a level similar to LeBron. That's just the maturation of him as a player.

I also want to say I take nothing away from KD. I fully believe he is MVP this year.

beyourself
03-16-2014, 12:19 AM
Wade can't win. If he plays hurt and doesn't take shots and score then he's just dead weight that LBJ has to carry.

If he balls and starts scoring then he's getting LeBron out of his groove according to LBJ himself.

What do you want LeBron?

Dade County
03-16-2014, 12:37 AM
In like 5 games in the 4th quarter, Lbj has scored a combined 17pts (or even less then that).

scripted, scripted, scripted



James did not attempt a shot in the fourth quarter of the 96-95 loss to the Nets, but missed three of his four field goal attempts in the final period against the Nuggets. Wade, meanwhile, only attempted one shot in the fourth quarter of Friday’s game.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/20211/heat-search-for-answers-as-funk-continues?ex_cid=espnapi_public

Slug3
03-16-2014, 01:03 AM
Wade can't win. If he plays hurt and doesn't take shots and score then he's just dead weight that LBJ has to carry.

If he balls and starts scoring then he's getting LeBron out of his groove according to LBJ himself.

What do you want LeBron?

Have you been watching anything? Wade
Legacy is just about set. If he doesn't win again it's all on Lebron. If he wins again is all because of Lebron. Wade can or cannot make the playoffs. But with 3 rings and most people know he is declining this is all on Lebron. If Miami was to lose, nobody will talk about what Wade did or did not do.

jerellh528
03-16-2014, 01:16 AM
Bron is the king of excuses and deferring blame, well Atleast this season so far since durant seemed to have passed him for MVP and best player for the season. He's dead set on letting the media know that he's still the best without actually showing it on the floor like kd is doing. Kd also didn't make excuses when westy came back.

Tony_Starks
03-16-2014, 01:50 AM
Have you been watching anything? Wade
Legacy is just about set. If he doesn't win again it's all on Lebron. If he wins again is all because of Lebron. Wade can or cannot make the playoffs. But with 3 rings and most people know he is declining this is all on Lebron. If Miami was to lose, nobody will talk about what Wade did or did not do.

See I think it's just the opposite. I think if they lose the story will be "Lebron did his part but Wade couldn't hold up his end." People were saying that last year and they actially won!

Supreme LA
03-16-2014, 08:07 AM
One of Lebron's worse personality flaws is that he always plays the victim. I can't blame him though because D Wade is pretty much dead weight at this point and Lebron could certainly do without him. I've already grown tired of his excuses, but it just gets old that all of his fans continue to make excuses for him. The guy isn't perfect. Nobody is. Everyone has off games and opposing defenses can defend you well enough to contain him like San Antonio can.

You never heard any other great player in history make as many excuses as Lebron. Whether it's the sleeve, a mask, or another factor throwing off his rhythm. I don't ever recall Timmy, MJ, Kobe, or KD makes excuses. Most of these guys have played with far worse extenuating circumstances than Lebron and neither of them are as physically gifted as he is. This is what is so disappointing about the guy sometimes. They just play and if they don't play to their standards they simply own it. Lebron should just do the same.

Jamiecballer
03-16-2014, 09:29 AM
Even though they've made it work the sum will never be greater than its parts and we knew that going in.

For all the talk of how much help Lebron has is there any doubt that Lebron would have been better off with the "Wade" of centers or small forwards instead? What I mean is someone who managed to have a similar impact but wasnt primarily a scoring/ball-handling wing.

ewing
03-16-2014, 10:04 AM
Even though they've made it work the sum will never be greater than its parts and we knew that going in.

For all the talk of how much help Lebron has is there any doubt that Lebron would have been better off with the "Wade" of centers or small forwards instead? What I mean is someone who managed to have a similar impact but wasnt primarily a scoring/ball-handling wing.

this maybe true but i think they should both be praised for adjusting and making it work instead being judge on one hick up. Bron developing his post, wade giving up some ball handling responsibilities and shots, and both guys learning to play much better with out the ball has lead them to a lot of success. Sacrifice should be part of team sports sometimes and i think both guys have done a solid job