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Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:12 AM
I see people think this guy is a top 5 player in the league.

Great player no doubt but extremely overrated in my opinion.

2-10 with 5 points in 28 minutes against the Bulls tonight?? Top 5 player my booty.

beyourself
02-27-2014, 12:15 AM
So based on 1 horrible game you came to the conclusion that he blows?

3/10

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:16 AM
When are people going to stop giving such a high status to volume scorers??

Htownballa1622
02-27-2014, 12:16 AM
I think this year he has been.

WOW though. Didn't see that stat line. OUCH.:smoking:

xxplayerxx23
02-27-2014, 12:16 AM
So stupid. Nice sample size

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:17 AM
So based on 1 horrible game you came to the conclusion that he blows?

3/10

Never said he blows and it isn't just one game. I see and hear people say top 5-8 all the time... the dude is not close to that. Thus making him very overrated.

xxplayerxx23
02-27-2014, 12:17 AM
When are people going to stop giving such a high status to volume scorers??

When volume scores also add 9 apg and are highly efficient

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:18 AM
When volume scores also add 9 apg and are highly efficient

His assist numbers are inflated due to being a great shooter and having an extremely capable team around him. Overrated passer.

xxplayerxx23
02-27-2014, 12:21 AM
His assist numbers are inflated due to being a great shooter and having an extremely capable team around him. Overrated passer.

Wait what? His assist numbers are overrated due to him being a great shooter um okay? Go ahead name 5 better this season?

Htownballa1622
02-27-2014, 12:22 AM
Dude you're going to get extremely flamed soon by these Dubs fans but I kinda think it's warranted.

Curry had an off game but guy has been great this year. Look at his numbers.

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:23 AM
Dude you're going to get extremely flamed soon by these Dubs fans but I kinda think it's warranted.

Curry had an off game but guy has been great this year. Look at his numbers.

I'm not saying he isn't a great player.

What im saying is does he deserve to be talked about as a top 5 player?? I actually think that is ridiculous thus qualifying him to be overrated... can't play defense, shoots better than anybody but wouldn't do jack **** on a team that didn't have quality players

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:25 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

Htownballa1622
02-27-2014, 12:27 AM
I'm not saying he isn't a great player.

What im saying is does he deserve to be talked about as a top 5 player?? I actually think that is ridiculous thus qualifying him to be overrated... can't play defense, shoots better than anybody but wouldn't do jack **** on a team that didn't have quality players

Name 5 better this year though.

I agree he may be overrated depending who you ask but I think he's been a top 5 player this year.

Htownballa1622
02-27-2014, 12:27 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

Lebron had a game where he scored 12 this year i think.

Kushed
02-27-2014, 12:31 AM
Lebron had a game where he scored 12 this year i think.

and the team still probably won?? he probably had a bunch of assists and rebounds too?? and his mere presence alone frightened the other team.. curry doesn't have that presence

Im_in_Mia_bish
02-27-2014, 12:33 AM
Yes. He is overrated but only by people saying he is a top 4 shooter all time smh

5ass
02-27-2014, 12:41 AM
Yes. He is overrated but only by people saying he is a top 4 shooter all time smh

He is. He will prove it with a few more years

poleandreel
02-27-2014, 12:42 AM
Here is what I've learned the past few days from PSD:

Curry is overrated after 1 bad game

Lebron is MVP after 2 good games and a loss for OKC/KD even though he put up 42/12

Westbrook is awful and doesn't fit with KD despite making the finals 2 years ago, having the best record in the NBA last year, and being 24/3 with him to start the year.

TorontoHuskies
02-27-2014, 12:42 AM
No, he's as good as people say.

Im_in_Mia_bish
02-27-2014, 12:43 AM
He is. He will prove it with a few more years

Well as you said, a few more years. Today, he isn't.

Titles, especially historical ones shouldn't be given out without the player consistently proving so.

blahblahyoutoo
02-27-2014, 12:46 AM
streak shooter than can easily shoot you in and out of games.

shep33
02-27-2014, 01:04 AM
Wow. He's arguably been the best guard in the NBA this year.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 01:06 AM
Curry is having a top 5 season arguably, but anyone trying to tell me he is a top 5 player is overrating him, if that makes sense.

diu9leilomo
02-27-2014, 01:09 AM
Top 10 this season in order:

Lebron
KD
CP3
Griffin
PG
Harden
Curry
Dwight
Lillard
Melo

Noticed I only mentioned players from winning team, I don't care how good you are if you aren't winning. Melo could of been a top 5, too bad the Knicks suck.

Delrayhc
02-27-2014, 01:10 AM
When volume scores also add 9 apg and are highly efficient

His assist numbers are inflated due to being a great shooter and having an extremely capable team around him. Overrated passer.


That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Im_in_Mia_bish
02-27-2014, 01:11 AM
Top 10 this season in order:

Lebron
KD
CP3
Griffin
PG
Harden
Curry
Dwight
Lillard
Melo

Noticed I only mentioned players from winning team, I don't care how good you are if you aren't winning. Melo could of been a top 5, too bad the Knicks suck.

How is westy not on that list? Hell he's arguably top 5 with the amount of injuries this year.

Delrayhc
02-27-2014, 01:12 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

Second dumbest thing I have ever read.

diu9leilomo
02-27-2014, 01:15 AM
How is westy not on that list? Hell he's arguably top 5 with the amount of injuries this year.

True, but Thunders are winning without him...

Im_in_Mia_bish
02-27-2014, 01:20 AM
True, but Thunders are winning without him...

That's because of kd. Doesn't take away westbrooks game though. Westy is a beast.

ewing
02-27-2014, 01:20 AM
His assist numbers are inflated due to being a great shooter and having an extremely capable team around him. Overrated passer.


Wait, what?

True Sports Fan
02-27-2014, 01:20 AM
Yup. One bad game. This guy is ****ing scrub! As if LeBron, KD, Kobe, MJ, The dream, Larry Bird never had any bad games

benzni
02-27-2014, 01:25 AM
So I guess Paul George is not a top player too. How long has he been on this cold streak?

mightybosstone
02-27-2014, 01:30 AM
This thread is idiotic. He had one terrible game. It happens to everyone from time to time, especially against a defense as strong as Chicago's.

Meaze_Gibson
02-27-2014, 01:32 AM
chris paul scored six points in a playoff game last seasoon. guess he is a scrub too

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 01:47 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

November 1st, 2013: Kevin Durant shoots 4/11 from the field for 13 points. Has only 4 rebounds and 1 assist. His team lost to Minnesota 100-81. Yes, 19 points!

November 19th, 2013: Lebron shoots 4/13 from the field for 13 points. He has 7 rebounds and 5 assists. His team lost to Utah, the worst team in the league at that point, by 5 points (94-89)

December 30th, 2013: Chris Paul shoots 5/14 from the field for 11 points. He has 7 assists. His team lost to the Suns by 19 points (107-88)

November 28th, 1992: Michael Jordan shoots 4/20 from the field for 17 points. The Bulls lose to the Knicks by 37 points (112-75)

Your post is seriously one of the dumbest things i've ever read on here

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 01:55 AM
to be fair, top 5 players don't finish with 5 points without getting hurt..

But again, like I said, Curry is having arguably a top 5 season, but I can't list him as a top 5 player.

Duncan = Donkey
02-27-2014, 02:03 AM
Top 10 this season in order:

Lebron
KD
CP3
Griffin
PG
Harden
Curry
Dwight
Lillard
Melo

Noticed I only mentioned players from winning team, I don't care how good you are if you aren't winning. Melo could of been a top 5, too bad the Knicks suck.

Lillard, lol

ewing
02-27-2014, 02:05 AM
to be fair, top 5 players don't finish with 5 points without getting hurt..

But again, like I said, Curry is having arguably a top 5 season, but I can't list him as a top 5 player.

but sometimes they do

Lakers + Giants
02-27-2014, 02:06 AM
1 game means nothing. That being said, my top 5:

Lebron
Durant
CP3
Love
Griffin/Davis

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 02:08 AM
to be fair, top 5 players don't finish with 5 points without getting hurt..

But again, like I said, Curry is having arguably a top 5 season, but I can't list him as a top 5 player.

I'm assuming you mean this in the same context like "Durant's playing as the best player in the league this season, but Lebron's still a superior player overall." Right? If so, who would you list ahead of Curry as a whole right now

akesh99
02-27-2014, 02:12 AM
Curry is having a top 5 season arguably, but anyone trying to tell me he is a top 5 player is overrating him, if that makes sense.

Makes sense and you're right- top 5 season but not yet a top 5 player. If he can improve his all around game and keep up these kinds of numbers next season as well, then that's a different story.

bbcmillionaire
02-27-2014, 02:21 AM
It's one game against a good defensive game. And this coming from a bulls fan, he lit us up earlier this year. Kirk hinrich was just in defensive dog mode tonight. Curry is still an offensive juggernaut with improved playmaking ability

5ass
02-27-2014, 02:24 AM
Top 10 players in no order
Victor oladipo
Moe harkless
Aaron afflalo
Tobias harris
Nikola vucevic
Jameer nelson
Kyle o'quinn
Andrew nicholson
Doron lamb
Etwaun moore

Duncan = Donkey
02-27-2014, 02:34 AM
Top 10 players in no order
Victor oladipo
Moe harkless
Aaron afflalo
Tobias harris
Nikola vucevic
Jameer nelson
Kyle o'quinn
Andrew nicholson
Doron lamb
Etwaun moore

top 10 overdone joke

slashsnake
02-27-2014, 02:43 AM
streak shooter than can easily shoot you in and out of games.


Not sure what Curry you are watching because I wouldn’t call him much of a streak shooter. In fact for a guy who relies so much on the outside shot, I would call him one of the most consistent I’ve seen and the numbers support that. To me a streak shooter is more a guy like JR Smith or John Starks. Curry has one game he shot at 25%, his worst game of the year. JR has 10 games he shot 25% or less (more than Curry in the past 3 seasons) And Curry does more for you. He’s averaged over 5 boards and 10 assists in the games he shot under 33% this year so it isn’t like he is a guy who just shoots you out of a game when his shot is off and does nothing else for you.

Steph Curry has 30 games in his career he has taken at least one three in a game and not made any (just 2 this year so far). That is tiny. Ray Allen has crossed that mark with three different teams (and a lot more often).

Steph has 22 games he shot 25% or less in his career. Which puts him 357th in that category since he came in (last 5 years). That’s including his rookie year, not in his prime. Compare that to Derek Fisher (111), Randy Foye (82), Korver (60), Steve Blake (92), Roger Mason (100), Dragic (51) Reddick (58) in that time frame. Even guys known for getting a lot of easy shots at the hoop like Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, Wall, or Ginobili have had more bad shooting nights. That is the same number of games as Marc Gasol and Paul Milsap, fewer than Bogut. 2 more games shooting under 25% in the past 5 years than Tim Duncan. That is insanity.

314 of big shot Bob (Robert Horry’s) 1117 games he shot 25% or less. At Curry’s present pace, he would hit his 314th game of 25% or less in his 4425th game or his 65th season if he averages about 70 games a year from here on out. 35th season to hit Steve Blakes number of 25% or less games.

Or compare that to a guy like Ray Allen who has 14 games so far this year shooting at 25% or less, and 13 last season. 15 games in the past two years Ray has had a shooting % of under 17%. Curry has had none this year, 2 last year.

Curry’s worst month in the NBA since his rookie year from downtown he shot 39%. His worst month in FG% was a 43% month. For a guy who hits 46% of the time, that is about as consistent as you can get there.

So is he the best ever? Not yet. But he is more than on pace to be the best ever. His 44% from 3 is by far the highest 3pt% ever for a player in his first 5 years in the NBA among starters or those with at least 2 attempts a game. Of the hundreds of players to shoot 1000 free throws in their first 5 years, he is #1 in % made. He is off to a much better and more consistent shooting start than guys like Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, and Mark Price.

Bostonjorge
02-27-2014, 02:46 AM
Curry and Blake tied for most exciting players to watch. Blake for his amazing dunks and curry for his amazing step back 3's while being covered.

Lebron, Durant and Paul top 3 after that u can have love, curry or George at 4. George for winning or love for big time games or curry more balanced with both.

slashsnake
02-27-2014, 02:51 AM
Stupid edit feature doesn't work. Sorry, all that stuff doesn't include tonights game, so as of tonight that is two games at 25% or less this year (tied with Dwight Howard who shoots a pretty good percentage). And now Duncan has 3 fewer games than Steph in the past 5 years shooting 25% or less.

jp611
02-27-2014, 02:52 AM
Curry's not a volume scorer

He has a .601 TS% and .556 eFG%

He scores 24 points a night on 18 FG attempts per game.

This is a ridiculous thread.

SeoulBeatz
02-27-2014, 03:05 AM
1 game, what the **** is this ****?

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 03:19 AM
1st dubs fan to respond

/ thread

5ass
02-27-2014, 03:23 AM
top 10 overdone joke
Do you have statesticles evidence or are you going to talk out of your butt.

85BearsDefense
02-27-2014, 03:24 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

Lebron 2011 finals...

sunsfan88
02-27-2014, 03:24 AM
Did Curry change his name to James Harden? Or Joe Johnson?

Curry has had the best season out of all guards this season.

Bostonjorge
02-27-2014, 03:35 AM
Lebron 2011 finals...

Oops

shep33
02-27-2014, 03:37 AM
Which guard has been better than him this year?

slashsnake
02-27-2014, 03:39 AM
November 28th, 1992: Michael Jordan shoots 4/20 from the field for 17 points. The Bulls lose to the Knicks by 37 points (112-75)

Your post is seriously one of the dumbest things i've ever read on here

You didn't want to use his 2-17 shooting game when Luc Longley outscored him?

Dirks 8 points when faced with elimination as the #1 seed? League MVP going 2-13 and being the first #1 team to lose to a #8 team in the 7 game format.

Ray Allen's 0-13 vs. the Lakers in the Finals? Reggie Miller going 1-16 against LA. Karl Malone going 3-16 against the Blazers in the WCF elimination game?

JLynn943
02-27-2014, 04:16 AM
Unlike everyone else, I actually agree with the OP for the most part. Great player, but he's insanely overhyped. No way is he top 5, nor is he the best guard (still believe that is CP3). It amazes me how quickly people have bought in to a player that is obviously a great shooter but definitely benefits from playing on a completely stacked team.

Of course, everyone has already been convinced that he's somehow a top 5 player and don't seem willing to even question it. Like I said before, he's undoubtedly great, but I think it's foolish to put him above several players in the NBA.

I'm also shocked the army of Warriors fans who are oversensitive to criticism haven't taken over the thread to insult the OP and protect Curry.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 04:35 AM
Curry over the past month, including this game tonight: 23/4/7 on exactly 50/50/90. 7 attempted 3's a game.

On the year: 24/4/9 on 46/42/87. 60% TS. 23.7 PER. .224 WS/48.

Another PG had a year of similar impact a couple years back; with the help of Adidas and an amazing defense, he won MVP over Lebron. I don't want to hear any whining that Curry is not an arguable top 5 player.

Games like these are more likely to happen to a smaller player (I was working and missed it, not sure what happened) than a big (easier to get involved in other ways with offensive boards/putbacks), but this thread has innumerable joke comments.

SPURSFAN1
02-27-2014, 04:37 AM
Parker is a top five player. Curry is a good player.

Duncan = Donkey
02-27-2014, 04:38 AM
Do you have statesticles evidence or are you going to talk out of your butt.

No statistical evidence, sorry good sir.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 04:45 AM
That all said for me, what a pathetic game by him and the team alike. Wish I saw where it went sour - I caught the 1st quarter and GS was up.

abe_froman
02-27-2014, 04:47 AM
so your basing this on one game? it was against a great defensive team and every player has a crap game no matter who they are

sammyvine
02-27-2014, 06:16 AM
He is a great player

Not sure he is top 5 though.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 07:21 AM
LOL @ basing this on one game.

You could argue he's outside of the top 5, I mean, there's a lot of talent right now. But putting him inside the top 5 isn't overrating him any more than putting him outside of the top 5 is underrating him. I would say 5th is about right. But I wouldn't blame anyone for having him at 6th/7th and I wouldn't blame anyone for having him at 4th.

The fact is, he's the best shooter in the game. But shooters have off nights. And you called him a volume scorer, he's not a volume scorer, the term volume scorer is reserved for players that get a high number of points but do so inefficiently. Curry gets you a lot of points, but he does it more efficiently than any other shooter in the game (or just as efficient, at the least). I mean he's has an eFG% of .552 on jump shots, Durant has an eFG% of .516 on jump shots. Are you calling Durant a volume scorer? There's a difference between efficient shooters having an off night and being a volume scorer. On top of that he doesn't need screens, he doesn't need to spot up, he can create the space himself and knock it down, he can break your ankles and blow by you, he has that nice floater.

Curry's overall game is actually overshadowed imo by his shooting. Everyone thinks all he does is splash 3s.

He's not a skilled defender but he puts the effort in defensively which takes him above average. On average he holds his match ups to an eFG% of .463, 3.7 TOs and a PER of 14.9. Some of this is due to team defense, some is due to his instincts and effort.

For comparison sake, CP3, on average, holds his match ups to an eFG% of .461, 4.8 TOs and a PER of 14.0


I'm not saying Curry is on the same level as Durant or CP3 (not interested in starting another argument). I'm just saying he's more efficient a shooter than Durant, and his defensive production/impact is not dissimilar to CP3 (although obviously CP3 has a superior skill set defensively). Two guys who are commonly dropped in the top 5 (and rightly so).


I could go on for days, there's simply too much evidence, both statistical and otherwise (just watch more than one game maybe?) that backs him for being a top 5 player in the league this year.

Heediot
02-27-2014, 07:36 AM
Kushed was blitzed out and started trolling for amusement. hahaha

slashsnake
02-27-2014, 07:49 AM
Nice post goose, you hit the nail on the head.

Asik's better
02-27-2014, 08:14 AM
The top 4 are set in my eyes with james, durant, George and griffin. Next 3 are toss up between curry, harden and dragic. The last 3 there could be a argument made for a lot of players, for me personally would be love, wall and Howard. Curry is easily a 5 to 7 player. Calling him overrated after one game is ridicules.

bagwell368
02-27-2014, 08:39 AM
When are people going to stop giving such a high status to volume scorers??

Volume scorer? Do you even know what that means? Among PG/SG/SF he's in the top 10 in TS%. Among all NBA players he's 5th in WS.

A volume scorer is a player like AI or Carmelo, not Curry.

PhillyFaninLA
02-27-2014, 08:43 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

Michael Jordan 1997 Eastern Conference Finals Game 4: 9-of-35 shooting, including an 0-for-8 mark from 3

All players have bad days, even forum posters like you do....proof is this topic and your replies

D-Leethal
02-27-2014, 08:51 AM
Like it or not, there are not that many people in this league capable of being volume scorers. They are valued by teams for a reason, you PSD nerds are NOT smarter than NBA brass who value these guys as stars and pay them accordingly.

As for the thread, Curry is not overrated at all, but Kirk Hinrich's defense might be one of the most underrated skills of a player of this past century. That and Noah is just a complete and utter monster on both ends.

NYKnickFanatic
02-27-2014, 09:00 AM
Never said he blows and it isn't just one game. I see and hear people say top 5-8 all the time... the dude is not close to that. Thus making him very overrated.

I have never seen, nor heard anyone say that. You need to calm down kitty cat.

NYKnickFanatic
02-27-2014, 09:04 AM
also top 5 players don't have bad games

I'm sorry, but you're a effing idiot.

xxplayerxx23
02-27-2014, 10:10 AM
I have never seen, nor heard anyone say that. You need to calm down kitty cat.

This year he is easily a top 5-8 player.

NYKnickFanatic
02-27-2014, 10:13 AM
This year he is easily a top 5-8 player.

He was talking about ALL TIME, though.

EDIT: Never mind. I can't read. "all THE time."

And definitely agree, he has been a top 5-8 player this year.

3RDASYSTEM
02-27-2014, 10:27 AM
When are people going to stop giving such a high status to volume scorers??

You know psd be on one when they have the nerve to call one of the best pure shooters ever to lace'em up a volume scorer

this dude has a pure flame and when he shoots a lot(volume according to you) it usually ends up being a 35-50pt game, why don't you go post those stats up and then we can have this discussion

but to get shutdown by one of the best defensive minds of this era(and all time) it is nothing to look at CURRY as overrated, if some have him in top 5 then he must have game, just like LOVE and others who are fringe top 5 players in the eyes of majority

how many times does he shoot per game? 30? I cant see how he does that with the talent he has on his squad but what do I know about bball

3RDASYSTEM
02-27-2014, 10:32 AM
Volume scorer? Do you even know what that means? Among PG/SG/SF he's in the top 10 in TS%. Among all NBA players he's 5th in WS.

A volume scorer is a player like AI or Carmelo, not Curry.

So was AI a volume scorer by choice or situation since he was playing with two 3ppg scorers in mckie/snow? you guys simply have no clue what a volume scorer is, a volume scorer is a player like JORDAN who told PIPP and his mates that he is going to get his shots and points game in and out, now that is the pure definition of a volume scorer, no matter the percentages, if he shoots a higher percentage he just earns more shots which equate to volume scoring, duh

I guarantee you if philly had built the team right like okc has done for KD and given AI two low post or a wing/low post scorer he would have not shot 25-30x per game, and that's a fact since I've played enough and watched plenty to see it happen

lets say for instance philly had drafted TMAC in 97' and DIRK/PIERCE in 98', do you think IVERSON would have shot that many times? don't kid yourself

THE MTL
02-27-2014, 10:39 AM
Yes. He is overrated but only by people saying he is a top 4 shooter all time smh

At the end of the day he will probably go down as a top 4 shooter of all time. Not an overstatement

IKnowHoops
02-27-2014, 10:39 AM
His assist numbers are inflated due to being a great shooter and having an extremely capable team around him. Overrated passer.

Hey man while I do agree Curry is a bit overrated, you can't say the bold part. If one part of a players game is so great that it makes other parts of your game better by default, well thats what separates you from the rest. Thats his ability, thats his and only his so you don't turn around and use it against him. That's 100% a plus and at the end of the day, he is the passer that he produces as. Now I understand how the players around him help him get good assist totals, but the film shows he is a great ball handler and a great passer. He's easily got top 10 handles in the league, and easily a top 10 passer (probably top 3).

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 11:49 AM
You didn't want to use his 2-17 shooting game when Luc Longley outscored him?

Dirks 8 points when faced with elimination as the #1 seed? League MVP going 2-13 and being the first #1 team to lose to a #8 team in the 7 game format.

Ray Allen's 0-13 vs. the Lakers in the Finals? Reggie Miller going 1-16 against LA. Karl Malone going 3-16 against the Blazers in the WCF elimination game?

Could use any number of games, i just chose that game from Jordan because it was after he had already won 2 rings and was far and away the best player in the game.


At the end of the day he will probably go down as a top 4 shooter of all time. Not an overstatement

At the end of his career, nobody will be better than Curry. Hell, he might be in his own tier at that point

mRc08
02-27-2014, 11:57 AM
Lol at nobody giving bulls defense credit for curry's bad night.

Jamiecballer
02-27-2014, 12:14 PM
When are people going to stop giving such a high status to volume scorers??

he's not a volume scorer. he's a very efficient high scorer. big big big difference.

bagwell368
02-27-2014, 12:20 PM
So was AI a volume scorer by choice or situation since he was playing with two 3ppg scorers in mckie/snow?

This thread is about Curry, not AI.


you guys simply have no clue what a volume scorer is, a volume scorer is a player like JORDAN who told PIPP and his mates that he is going to get his shots and points game in and out, now that is the pure definition of a volume scorer, no matter the percentages, if he shoots a higher percentage he just earns more shots which equate to volume scoring, duh

Curry is a high percentage scorer. Melo is a good deal lower. The common parlance here is to label Melo a "volume scorer". You don't have to like it, but, you're going to waste a lot of time - and worse even more time of good posters here with arguments over this - but then again that's what you live for isn't it?


I guarantee you if philly had built the team right like okc has done for KD and given AI two low post or a wing/low post scorer he would have not shot 25-30x per game, and that's a fact since I've played enough and watched plenty to see it happen

Oh, back to AI? He sucked. Divisive, selfish, never elevated anyone he played with - a toxic pile of dung. And don't respond if you plan on drawing me into an argument you've already conclusively lost any number of times.


lets say for instance philly had drafted TMAC in 97' and DIRK/PIERCE in 98', do you think IVERSON would have shot that many times? don't kid yourself

C-U-R-R-Y. Try to stay on topic.

Muttman73
02-27-2014, 12:34 PM
The Bulls play a pretty good D

But I agree, overrated

NorCalDC Fan15
02-27-2014, 12:35 PM
When curry goes off next game for 30+ and 8 assists or more I'll be thinking of this thread laughing. Like ya he sucks he is basically JR Smith just jacks up shots to get his points and doesnt make anyone around him better. Stupid thread

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 12:44 PM
OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN A PLAYER IS BAD He is overrated slightly, as he is a pretty one dimensional player.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 12:51 PM
OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN A PLAYER IS BAD He is overrated slightly, as he is a pretty one dimensional player.

How is he one dimensional?

bagwell368
02-27-2014, 12:58 PM
OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN A PLAYER IS BAD He is overrated slightly, as he is a pretty one dimensional player.

His one dimension is excellent - shoots 2PT'ers, 3PT'ers, and FT's all great. But tell me - does he play better D than Ray Allen did during the same period of his career? Yes. This year in particular he's no worse than average. Does he pass pretty well for a shoot first PG? I think so. He's got the assist numbers going pretty well. Rebounding? OK, average for a PG, maybe a tad more.

So then, he's not a one dimensional player - is he? He's a player with a fabulous dimension, some above average dimensions, some average - and yeah - it's true, he doesn't block shots.

Now serve up Carmelo. Doesn't shoot nearly as well. Passing? hahahhahaha - totally inferior. Rebounding - decent for his position - but no better. Defense - umm no - bad D, Curry is better on D as PG then Carmelo is for his position.

So who is more one dimensional? Curry or Carmelo? Who's major skill is better Curry or Carmelo? So if Curry is slightly overrated what does that mean about Carmelo? right - hideously overrated. OK. Got it.

NoahH
02-27-2014, 01:13 PM
That's one game. He's on fire this year just look at his season averages.

ztilzer31
02-27-2014, 01:17 PM
I'm not saying he isn't a great player.

What im saying is does he deserve to be talked about as a top 5 player?? I actually think that is ridiculous thus qualifying him to be overrated... can't play defense, shoots better than anybody but wouldn't do jack **** on a team that didn't have quality players

Yes because we all know how having better players around you ups your stats...

You realize it's actually the opposite right?

He's a great player and is somewhere in the top 5-10 players in the league without a question.

Also he's the best shooter in the NBA and he's just hitting his potential.

ztilzer31
02-27-2014, 01:17 PM
Also shooting 46% when you shoot as many three's as he does does NOT make him a volume shooter.

Phenom1
02-27-2014, 01:34 PM
What!!! Theres no way hes overrated. Hes my favorite player besides kobe!

likemystylez
02-27-2014, 01:50 PM
What!!! Theres no way hes overrated. Hes my favorite player besides kobe!

while I agree- curry isnt over rated. Im not sure him being your favorite player supports that (esp if kobe is your other favorite player)

beyourself
02-27-2014, 01:51 PM
If we are just talking shooters though I'd take Korver over Curry. A wide open 3 there is nobody I'd rather take that shot from anywhere on the floor.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 01:59 PM
If we are just talking shooters though I'd take Korver over Curry. A wide open 3 there is nobody I'd rather take that shot from anywhere on the floor.

For what it's worth, as a spot up shooter this year synergy has Korver ranked #2 in the NBA at 1.41 PPP. #1 is Curry at 1.43 PPP. Both are insane. But the difference is that Curry can create and hit them at an ultra high rate under strong defensive pressure off the dribble, or coming off of multiple screens as well.

I do think Korver has a legitimate argument as best shooter when left unguarded, though. But, Curry being #1 in spot up this year probably still debunks that or keeps him right in it. In fact, Korver has only taken 7 ISO shots all season, Curry has taken over 230.

Phenom1
02-27-2014, 02:02 PM
while I agree- curry isnt over rated. Im not sure him being your favorite player supports that (esp if kobe is your other favorite player)

haha my two statements were meabt to be separate. I think he's not overrated. And that he's one of my favorite player :)

And no Kobe was great back in the day!

likemystylez
02-27-2014, 02:03 PM
If we are just talking shooters though I'd take Korver over Curry. A wide open 3 there is nobody I'd rather take that shot from anywhere on the floor.

I think they are pretty close at wide open 3s, but youd have to look at shooting all around. shooters coming off picks, dribble pull ups, step backs, wide open looks, 4th quarters being doubled, over all range etc.

bearadonisdna
02-27-2014, 02:10 PM
That's one game. He's on fire this year just look at his season averages.


This pretty much.

Walt
02-27-2014, 02:39 PM
Paul George is a top 5 player and he has shot 4-22 more than a few times.


Curry is easily a top 10 player, he has been a top 5 player this season as well. It's one bad game.

Im_in_Mia_bish
02-27-2014, 02:43 PM
What!!! Theres no way hes overrated. Hes my favorite player besides kobe!

and just because they are your fav player, that should be reason alone that they arent overrated right?

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:03 PM
I'm assuming you mean this in the same context like "Durant's playing as the best player in the league this season, but Lebron's still a superior player overall." Right? If so, who would you list ahead of Curry as a whole right now

Somewhat mean the same thing

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Love
Dwight
Westbrook when healthy

taking them all above Curry right now.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:05 PM
Curry over the past month, including this game tonight: 23/4/7 on exactly 50/50/90. 7 attempted 3's a game.

On the year: 24/4/9 on 46/42/87. 60% TS. 23.7 PER. .224 WS/48.

Another PG had a year of similar impact a couple years back; with the help of Adidas and an amazing defense, he won MVP over Lebron. I don't want to hear any whining that Curry is not an arguable top 5 player.

Games like these are more likely to happen to a smaller player (I was working and missed it, not sure what happened) than a big (easier to get involved in other ways with offensive boards/putbacks), but this thread has innumerable joke comments.

know whats crazy? That doesn't even climb into the top 4-5 stat lines out west for the month. Durant, Love, and Griffin shat on that line.

beyourself
02-27-2014, 03:20 PM
Somewhat mean the same thing

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Love
Dwight
Westbrook when healthy

taking them all above Curry right now.

If he played the 2 maybe, but at the PG then definitely no IMO. Put Curry on the Thunder and I'd say he averages 10+ assists, 18-19 ppg on close to 50% shooting with far less turnovers. He plays under control, he plays smart.

Right now Curry does not have anybody on his team who can create their own shot. That's a tough situation for a PG to be in. I'm surprised nobody has said that. It's tough to bring the ball up the court as a 6'3'" PG, look at your half court offense and think, "ah **** there is nobody who can give me a bucket".

tredigs
02-27-2014, 03:25 PM
know whats crazy? That doesn't even climb into the top 4-5 stat lines out west for the month. Durant, Love, and Griffin shat on that line.

Love and Griffin both had their career months in February and outproduced him, and KD is KD. I'd definitely put Lebron's over his as well. Which leaves him at... wait forrrrr itttt.... arguably 5th.

50/50/90 + 7 assists on that volume of scoring tho. How many in history can do that? There's very little argument that you could make to dissuade that he is right in that mix as a top 4-6 player at this point. Curry is a better player than Westbrook, and shows it virtually every time they match up; Westbrook's also never come close to the .225 WinShare or 116 O rating. Curry is just a much better offensive talent. He consistently crushed Rose as well. Dwight and Love? Highly debatable. Love's lack of a defensive presence is a much bigger issue as a big then it is (more so was) of Curry at the point. But I'm more than fine with somebody taking Love. Dwight in 2010 I would say yes, but no longer.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:27 PM
Love and Griffin both had their career months in February and outproduced him, and KD is KD. I'd definitely put Lebron's over his as well. Which leaves him at... wait forrrrr itttt.... arguably 5th.

50/50/90 + 7 assists on that volume of scoring tho. There's very little argument that you could make to dissuade that he is right in that mix as a top 4-6 player at this point. Curry is a better player than Westbrook, and shows it every virtually every time they match up.

Like I said on page 2, he is having a top 5 season this year, but as we both agree, that is like us saying Durant is having a better season than LeBron. Doesn't make him the better player though. Really, all Curry has to do is keep it up, and he moves into the top 5 discussion.

And to think, my GM took Jonny ****ing Flynn instead of him. So awesome..

Jamiecballer
02-27-2014, 03:28 PM
Somewhat mean the same thing

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Love
Dwight
Westbrook when healthy

taking them all above Curry right now.

crazy crazy crazy. you crazy.

you realize if you take Durant away you are basically watching Iverson and the 76ers all over again right? did you enjoy that brand of basketball? because i sure didn't.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 03:28 PM
For what it's worth, as a spot up shooter this year synergy has Korver ranked #2 in the NBA at 1.41 PPP. #1 is Curry at 1.43 PPP. Both are insane. But the difference is that Curry can create and hit them at an ultra high rate under strong defensive pressure off the dribble, or coming off of multiple screens as well.

I do think Korver has a legitimate argument as best shooter when left unguarded, though. But, Curry being #1 in spot up this year probably still debunks that or keeps him right in it. In fact, Korver has only taken 7 ISO shots all season, Curry has taken over 230.

I'm surprised by that stat. I feel Curry is more of a rhythm shooter than catch and shoot.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:30 PM
I'm surprised by that stat. I feel Curry is more of a rhythm shooter than catch and shoot.

well, he has the ball in his hands so much, you would feel that way. The dude can shoot under any circumstance in all reality.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 03:33 PM
If he played the 2 maybe, but at the PG then definitely no IMO. Put Curry on the Thunder and I'd say he averages 10+ assists, 18-19 ppg on close to 50% shooting with far less turnovers. He plays under control, he plays smart.

Right now Curry does not have anybody on his team who can create their own shot. That's a tough situation for a PG to be in. I'm surprised nobody has said that. It's tough to bring the ball up the court as a 6'3'" PG, look at your half court offense and think, "ah **** there is nobody who can give me a bucket".

If Curry played on a team with guys who could create their own shot his assist would most likely go down instead of up.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:36 PM
If Curry played on a team with guys who could create their own shot his assist would most likely go down instead of up.

for sure. Hell, if he played with a team that didn't have bombers and shooters everywhere his assists would go down. But, remember, because of his shooting ability, he will always have easier assist opportunities than any other PG really. Teams are terrified of leaving him alone 28 feet from the rim.

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Like I said on page 2, he is having a top 5 season this year, but as we both agree, that is like us saying Durant is having a better season than LeBron. Doesn't make him the better player though. Really, all Curry has to do is keep it up, and he moves into the top 5 discussion.

And to think, my GM took Jonny ****ing Flynn instead of him. So awesome..

Could've had a Curry - Love duo :/

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Could've had a Curry - Love duo :/

it keeps me up at night..

Goose17
02-27-2014, 03:36 PM
If Curry played on a team with guys who could create their own shot his assist would most likely go down instead of up.

You never said why you think he's one dimensional...

ztilzer31
02-27-2014, 03:39 PM
crazy crazy crazy. you crazy.

you realize if you take Durant away you are basically watching Iverson and the 76ers all over again right? did you enjoy that brand of basketball?

No.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 03:40 PM
Like I said on page 2, he is having a top 5 season this year, but as we both agree, that is like us saying Durant is having a better season than LeBron. Doesn't make him the better player though. Really, all Curry has to do is keep it up, and he moves into the top 5 discussion.

And to think, my GM took Jonny ****ing Flynn instead of him. So awesome..

Yeah, I mean - for me it's a really natural progression of what we've seen from him his entire career. It's just that now he has the PG role to himself and we're seeing a slight uptick in overall production as a result. He'd have had a very similar line last season without JJ here. I think my stat prediction for him this season was 25/4/9 on 46/46/90. I saw some others that had it very similar to that. By that measure he's slightly under performing from what I expected.

That said, I get the notion of needing to see it for a few years on a bigger stage, but it's never been my favorite judging of the leagues best. KD and Lebron is a different situation. Lebron is coming off of b2b2b2b Finals runs, I can understand a little lethargy for stretches, especially on a team and in a conference where he essentially doesn't need to try for 6 months.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 03:45 PM
If Curry played on a team with guys who could create their own shot his assist would most likely go down instead of up.

Possible, but seeing as he'd be getting created for as well - his numbers would likely be 28 and 7 rather than 24 and 9. Higher %'s as well. That said, I think you're severely underestimating his playmaking ability.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:47 PM
Yeah, I mean - for me it's a really natural progression of what we've seen from him his entire career. It's just that now he has the PG role to himself and we're seeing a slight uptick in overall production as a result. He'd have had a very similar line last season without JJ here. I think my stat prediction for him this season was 25/4/9 on 46/46/90. I saw some others that had it very similar to that. By that measure he's slightly under performing from what I expected.

That said, I get the notion of needing to see it for a few years on a bigger stage, but it's never been my favorite judging of the leagues best. KD and Lebron is a different situation. Lebron is coming off of b2b2b2b Finals runs, I can understand a little lethargy for stretches, especially on a team and in a conference where he essentially doesn't need to try for 6 months.

Jonny ****ing Flynn man... Jonny ****ing Flynn

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 03:52 PM
You guys also drafted Ty Lawson before trading him :hide:

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 03:52 PM
You never said why you think he's one dimensional...

It's pretty self explanatory....

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 03:54 PM
Possible, but seeing as he'd be getting created for as well - his numbers would likely be 28 and 7 rather than 24 and 9. Higher %'s as well. That said, I think you're severely underestimating his playmaking ability.

Why would he be being created for? He would be running the point. Not saying that he wouldn't get set up from time to time, but if you put him on a team with guys who create their own shots, they are getting their own shots a lot of the time.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 03:55 PM
You guys also drafted Ty Lawson before trading him :hide:

yes. And we drafted Trey Burke this season, and traded him. Unreal

tredigs
02-27-2014, 03:57 PM
It's pretty self explanatory....

I'm not sure you understand the concept of "one dimensional". You're thinking of Kyle Korver or maybe a Tony Allen.

1 dimensional players (I'm assuming that dimension you're talking about is "scoring", or maybe you're lost enough to think it's just shooting, IDK), can't do this for others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ot69_XTmE

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 03:58 PM
It's pretty self explanatory....

No it's not. Curry's not a rebound-less, pass-less, defensive-less, drive-less point guard. He's an all-around player.


yes. And we drafted Trey Burke this season, and traded him. Unreal

Totally forgot about that. Must be the altitude that has a long-term affect on the FO up there

tredigs
02-27-2014, 03:59 PM
You should actually watch him play sometime KnickaBocka, he's insanely fun out there. And you'd learn a lot about him/dimensions.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 04:02 PM
Totally forgot about that. Must be the altitude that has a long-term affect on the FO up there

it started as Kahn's love affair with Rubio (see Love's contract), and then Flip taking over a team that had 3 PG's, and his noted refusal to keep another PG. Essentially, we have given away Lawson, Parsons, and Burke on draft night for crap.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 04:02 PM
Wolves fans have it pretty rough

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 04:03 PM
Wolves fans have it pretty rough

so did you guys forever. Hopefully we will come around like you guys have haha

Shammyguy3
02-27-2014, 04:06 PM
it started as Kahn's love affair with Rubio (see Love's contract), and then Flip taking over a team that had 3 PG's, and his noted refusal to keep another PG. Essentially, we have given away Lawson, Parsons, and Burke on draft night for crap.

my friend bought a Flynn t-shirt, so not all was lost :laugh2:

whyumadbro!
02-27-2014, 04:14 PM
Humans have short-term memory, this thread reminds me of how Durant was put among greatest 20 nba players of all time just because he got hot for about a month

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 04:25 PM
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "one dimensional". You're thinking of Kyle Korver or maybe a Tony Allen.

1 dimensional players (I'm assuming that dimension you're talking about is "scoring", or maybe you're lost enough to think it's just shooting, IDK), can't do this for others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ot69_XTmE

He benefits a lot from the players around him. Lee is one of the better finishers of the P&R and as I said previously, he has guys that are dependent upon being set up.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 04:27 PM
You should actually watch him play sometime KnickaBocka, he's insanely fun out there. And you'd learn a lot about him/dimensions.

I watch him a lot being that I live on the west coast. Believe me, I'm not discounting his game, saying he's not good, saying he can't pass or anything like that.

I think his team is constructed perfectly around him to play to his strengths and his weaknesses. And as a result he becomes slightly overrated as an individual.

nycericanguy
02-27-2014, 04:32 PM
Top 10 this season in order:

Lebron
KD
CP3
Griffin
PG
Harden
Curry
Dwight
Lillard
Melo

Noticed I only mentioned players from winning team, I don't care how good you are if you aren't winning. Melo could of been a top 5, too bad the Knicks suck.

in fairness, this is his first season EVER under .500 or where he will miss the playoffs. It's not like he's just been putting up numbers on bad teams every year.

Chronz
02-27-2014, 04:41 PM
For what it's worth, as a spot up shooter this year synergy has Korver ranked #2 in the NBA at 1.41 PPP. #1 is Curry at 1.43 PPP. Both are insane. But the difference is that Curry can create and hit them at an ultra high rate under strong defensive pressure off the dribble, or coming off of multiple screens as well.

I do think Korver has a legitimate argument as best shooter when left unguarded, though. But, Curry being #1 in spot up this year probably still debunks that or keeps him right in it. In fact, Korver has only taken 7 ISO shots all season, Curry has taken over 230.

Synergy tracks spot up opportunities, which isn't limited to just set shooting. If you look at 3pt spot up shots, then its more relevant to this. Any idea what the 3p% is on that?

Korver is without a doubt the best shooter when open, in terms of catch and shoot opportunities (of which he takes 6.1 per game vs 3.1 for Curry), Korver makes 51.1%, good for an eFG% of 71.6%. Curry sits at 47.3fg% and 66.1eFG%.

NOBODY has touched Korvers combination of usage and efficiency in catching and shooting.

ztilzer31
02-27-2014, 04:42 PM
Carmelo Anthony is the only player that can get away with making teams worse when he's on them, and getting the free pass.

Carmelo Anthony is by far the most overrated player in the NBA. He is not a top 10 player yet he's treated like a top 5.

Good scorer, volume shooter, lazy defense, and not a playmaker...

It's really annoying still hearing Carmelo's name in these top 5 or top 10 debates when he's literally done nothing to deserve the recognition.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 04:42 PM
He benefits a lot from the players around him. Lee is one of the better finishers of the P&R and as I said previously, he has guys that are dependent upon being set up.

D Lee ranks 64th on the PnR and 260th as a spot up shooter. It's a shot that Curry sets him up with in wide open space from 15-18 all game long, but unfortunately he does not excel at it. Lee's a fantastic ISO scorer and solid on putbacks. Nothing about his game inflates Curry's #'s, he deflates them if anything.

I was going to go on, but I don't have the energy or care for this topic and I gotta run. Watch more Dubs pimpin.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 04:46 PM
Synergy tracks spot up opportunities, which isn't limited to just set shooting. If you look at 3pt spot up shots, then its more relevant to this. Any idea what the 3p% is on that?

Korver is without a doubt the best shooter when open, in terms of catch and shoot opportunities (of which he takes 6.1 per game vs 3.1 for Curry), Korver makes 51.1%, good for an eFG% of 71.6%. Curry sits at 47.3fg% and 66.1eFG%.

NOBODY has touched Korvers combination of usage and efficiency in catching and shooting.
Gotchya, that's not entirely surprising. I feel like Korver -edit- NEVER* misses an open look.

beyourself
02-27-2014, 04:47 PM
Synergy tracks spot up opportunities, which isn't limited to just set shooting. If you look at 3pt spot up shots, then its more relevant to this. Any idea what the 3p% is on that?

Korver is without a doubt the best shooter when open, in terms of catch and shoot opportunities (of which he takes 6.1 per game vs 3.1 for Curry), Korver makes 51.1%, good for an eFG% of 71.6%. Curry sits at 47.3fg% and 66.1eFG%.

NOBODY has touched Korvers combination of usage and efficiency in catching and shooting.

Good stuff. I'd still take Korver for an open 3 over anybody easily. He can't be touched.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 04:53 PM
It's pretty self explanatory....

Well would you care to enlighten me? You can't make a statement like that and then not back it up with evidence, nobody will ever take your opinion serious, they'll just laugh it off.~


The Knicks are the worst basketball team in the world... even worse than high school teams in China. Why? Oh well it's pretty self explanatory.


SMH get out of here with that nonsense. Either back up your ridiculous claim or sit down and be quiet.

72 Wins
02-27-2014, 05:02 PM
^ lmao.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:04 PM
Well would you care to enlighten me? You can't make a statement like that and then not back it up with evidence, nobody will ever take your opinion serious, they'll just laugh it off.~


The Knicks are the worst basketball team in the world... even worse than high school teams in China. Why? Oh well it's pretty self explanatory.


SMH get out of here with that nonsense. Either back up your ridiculous claim or sit down and be quiet.

It's not that ridiculous, I already said why I believe that to be so. I think he's a little overrated. If you have that big of an issue with someone having an opinion different from yours, that is your problem, not mine. I'm entitled to my opinion, whether or not I have advanced stats to prove it. And given what I already said about why I think he is a little overrated, there aren't stats to back up those theories. So I'm not really sure what you're looking for...other than the fact that you should have read my last posts before responding in such an unnecessarily angry way.


I'm now laughing you off because you obviously take the Warriors and this board far too seriously.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 05:13 PM
It's not that ridiculous, I already said why I believe that to be so. I think he's a little overrated. If you have that big of an issue with someone having an opinion different from yours, that is your problem, not mine. I'm entitled to my opinion, whether or not I have advanced stats to prove it. And given what I already said about why I think he is a little overrated, there aren't stats to back up those theories. So I'm not really sure what you're looking for...other than the fact that you should have read my last posts before responding in such an unnecessarily angry way.


I'm now laughing you off because you obviously take the Warriors and this board far too seriously.

What? You didn't say anything about him being one dimensional. Do you actually understand what one dimensional means?

You said this;


I think his team is constructed perfectly around him to play to his strengths and his weaknesses. And as a result he becomes slightly overrated as an individual.

None of that has anything to do with being one dimensional^ ...I honestly don't believe you know what one dimensional means.

And you're entitled to an opinion, obviously. But an opinion is this; "I wouldn't put Curry in my top five"

This; "Curry is one dimensional" is not an opinion, it is a statement, a statement supported by nothing.

If you don't think he's top 5 that's fair enough, but calling him one dimensional and then providing nothing to back that up is just ludicrous.


And how can I take the Warriors too seriously? Maybe Knicks fans don't take their team seriously, Dubs fans do, as do most basketball fans. When you're passionate about something, you tend to take it serious. I don't take this board serious, or you for that matter. But I do take my Dubs serious.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 05:16 PM
so did you guys forever. Hopefully we will come around like you guys have haha

yeah I forgot about Burke and Lawson. these recent missteps are mind boggling and flat out unacceptable. You'll get it right, but hopefully you wont lose Love before you do

Aust
02-27-2014, 05:17 PM
I used to think he was overrated a few years ago, but he proved me wrong.

nastynice
02-27-2014, 05:19 PM
OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN A PLAYER IS BAD He is overrated slightly, as he is a pretty one dimensional player.

lol, no he's not! I have no issue with you saying he's overrated, that's fine, but he's definitely not one dimensional.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 05:20 PM
lol, no he's not! I have no issue with you saying he's overrated, that's fine, but he's definitely not one dimensional.

Thank you. This is my point^

One of those things is an opinion, and everyone has one and is entitled to one, so what. The other thing is a statement and without any supporting evidence, is going to be completely disregarded as B.S

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:22 PM
What? You didn't say anything about him being one dimensional. Do you actually understand what one dimensional means?

You said this;


None of that has anything to do with being one dimensional^ ...I honestly don't believe you know what one dimensional means.

And you're entitled to an opinion, obviously. But an opinion is this; "I wouldn't put Curry in my top five"

This; "Curry is one dimensional" is not an opinion, it is a statement, a statement supported by nothing.

If you don't think he's top 5 that's fair enough, but calling him one dimensional and then providing nothing to back that up is just ludicrous.


And how can I take the Warriors too seriously? Maybe Knicks fans don't take their team seriously, Dubs fans do, as do most basketball fans. When you're passionate about something, you tend to take it serious. I don't take this board serious, or you for that matter. But I do take my Dubs serious.

You're angry, I get it. I'm not wasting my time on you though. I said he's one dimensional, what I meant is that I don't think any of his other abilities are even close to his shooting abilities and the team around him and the system they run makes him look better at some things than he really is. If you want to be mad, go ahead, but that is my opinion.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:27 PM
Thank you. This is my point^

One of those things is an opinion, and everyone has one and is entitled to one, so what. The other thing is a statement and without any supporting evidence, is going to be completely disregarded as B.S

A statement can be an opinion smart guy! ( i.e. "State you opinion on....)

KingstonHawke
02-27-2014, 05:30 PM
I like Curry a lot, but I'm not even sure if he's a top 5 PG (when everyone is healthy). Paul, Westbrook, and Rose are easily better. And then you have that Kyrie, Curry, Wall, Lillard, Jrue group that I'm not sure how to organize.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 05:31 PM
You're angry, I get it. I'm not wasting my time on you though. I said he's one dimensional, what I meant is that I don't think any of his other abilities are even close to his shooting abilities and the team around him and the system they run makes him look better at some things than he really is. If you want to be mad, go ahead, but that is my opinion.

LOL... you've just proven with that post that you have no idea what one dimensional means.

I'm wasting my time discussing anything with you.

Kaner
02-27-2014, 05:35 PM
Well as you said, a few more years. Today, he isn't.

Titles, especially historical ones shouldn't be given out without the player consistently proving so.

He's already hit 102 more 3s then steve Kerr and is 3rd all time on 3pt%.

He's right now a top 4 shooter to ever step on the court, he just doesn't have the career accomplishments yet that his abilities and health will bring

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:35 PM
LOL... you've just proven with that post that you have no idea what one dimensional means.

I'm wasting my time discussing anything with you.

No, actually I didn't. His shooting is what sets him apart from other guys. Outside of that dimension, he's not a star to me. Especially when you compare him to other stars in the league.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 05:40 PM
No, actually I didn't. His shooting is what sets him apart from other guys. Outside of that dimension, he's not a star to me. Especially when you compare him to other stars in the league.
Dude one dimensional means he can only do one thing well. Saying curry is one dimensional is saying all you think he can do is shoot the ball and that's it. Korver is one dimensional. Great 3 PT shooter but that's really it. Curry can pass the ball extremely well considering he is averaging nearly 10 apg and is an average to above average defender this year. That's not one dimensional.

Kaner
02-27-2014, 05:41 PM
I like Curry a lot, but I'm not even sure if he's a top 5 PG (when everyone is healthy). Paul, Westbrook, and Rose are easily better. And then you have that Kyrie, Curry, Wall, Lillard, Jrue group that I'm not sure how to organize.

Curry's better then Rose and Westbrook even when both are completely healthy imo, Paul is probably a little better right now but its close.

Kyrie, Wall, Lilliard are all easily a tier below Curry although I agree that the group you mentioned (other then Curry) are all pretty interchangeable.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 05:43 PM
I like Curry a lot, but I'm not even sure if he's a top 5 PG (when everyone is healthy). Paul, Westbrook, and Rose are easily better. And then you have that Kyrie, Curry, Wall, Lillard, Jrue group that I'm not sure how to organize.

Curry is better than everyone in that second group you listed. Lilard is the only one that can have an argument as of now and that puts him in the top 5. Surprised you left off Parker tho. And honestly I don't think rose will ever be the same player he once was.

Personally, I'd only take Paul over curry

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:44 PM
Dude one dimensional means he can only do one thing well. Saying curry is one dimensional is saying all you think he can do is shoot the ball and that's it. Korver is one dimensional. Great 3 PT shooter but that's really it. Curry can pass the ball extremely well considering he is averaging nearly 10 apg and is an average to above average defender this year. That's not one dimensional.

We are talking about him being a star and overrated, I'm saying he is too one dimensional to be considered with the absolute best players in the game today.

I never compared him to any ****ing spot up role player or anything like that.

He's a great player, but yeah he is overrated because of his greatness in one dimension of the game.

moshy2
02-27-2014, 05:45 PM
Interesting to see what this thread will look like tomorrow after Curry goes back to the Garden where he had a, you know, so-so game last year. It's on espn again

Goose17
02-27-2014, 05:46 PM
No, actually I didn't. His shooting is what sets him apart from other guys. Outside of that dimension, he's not a star to me. Especially when you compare him to other stars in the league.

Yet again proving you don't know what one dimensional means.



Dude one dimensional means he can only do one thing well.

HINT HINT^

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 05:46 PM
He is a one dimensional star.

Well you can hold your breath till your face turns blue but that won't make you right

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:49 PM
Yet again proving you don't know what one dimensional means.




HINT HINT^

You're ignoring the context of the conversation. We are talking about him being overrated and I was saying that he is "pretty one dimensional" in terms of him being a star in this league. He absolutely should not be in the same tier as lebron, kd, etc. because compared to them, he is one dimensional.

Kaner
02-27-2014, 05:51 PM
You're ignoring the context of the conversation. We are talking about him being overrated and I was saying that he is "pretty one dimensional" in terms of him being a star in this league. He absolutely should not be in the same tier as lebron, kd, etc. because compared to them, he is one dimensional.

Everyone is one dimensional compared to lebron and KD no ones putting him in that 2-man tier. Elaborate on the etc however because after those two its a pretty obvious drop-off in overall game.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 05:52 PM
We are talking about him being a star and overrated, I'm saying he is too one dimensional to be considered with the absolute best players in the game today.

I never compared him to any ****ing spot up role player or anything like that.

He's a great player, but yeah he is overrated because of his greatness in one dimension of the game.

You clearly don't get what one dimensional means. Role players are one dimensional. He might go down as the best 3 PT shooter in history when all is said and done. That's not an exaggeration. His numbers up till now put him on pace for it. But he isn't just a shooter. He can pass the ball extremely well and plays solid defense. Can he do that as well as he can shoot? No. But that doesn't mean he can do them extremely well. And that doesn't make him a one dimensional player.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 05:53 PM
You're ignoring the context of the conversation. We are talking about him being overrated and I was saying that he is "pretty one dimensional" in terms of him being a star in this league. He absolutely should not be in the same tier as lebron, kd, etc. because compared to them, he is one dimensional.
No one has put him in that group of two. Everyone knows their head and shoulders above the rest of the nba.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:54 PM
You clearly don't get what one dimensional means. Role players are one dimensional. He might go down as the best 3 PT shooter in history when all is said and done. That's not an exaggeration. His numbers up till now put him on pace for it. But he isn't just a shooter. He can pass the ball extremely well and plays solid defense. Can he do that as well as he can shoot? No. But that doesn't mean he can do them extremely well. And that doesn't make him a one dimensional player.

I'm using the term and adapting it to the conversation that is based around stars in the NBA. Are you the definition police, or just incapable of understanding the adaptation of phrases outside of their original constructs? Sorry if you got confused by the question.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 05:54 PM
You clearly don't get what one dimensional means. Role players are one dimensional. He might go down as the best 3 PT shooter in history when all is said and done. That's not an exaggeration. His numbers up till now put him on pace for it. But he isn't just a shooter. He can pass the ball extremely well and plays solid defense. Can he do that as well as he can shoot? No. But that doesn't mean he can do them extremely well. And that doesn't make him a one dimensional player.

This^

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 05:55 PM
No one has put him in that group of two. Everyone knows their head and shoulders above the rest of the nba.

There are a number of guys between Curry and those 2, everyone knows that.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:00 PM
I'm using the term and adapting it to the conversation that is based around stars in the NBA. Are you the definition police, or just incapable of understanding the adaptation of phrases outside of their original constructs? Sorry if you got confused by the question.

No you're using the term inappropriately. The American language has a lot of words in it try looking for the appropriate one.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:01 PM
Everyone is one dimensional compared to lebron and KD no ones putting him in that 2-man tier. Elaborate on the etc however because after those two its a pretty obvious drop-off in overall game.

Love, Unibrow, Dwight, Harden, Lillard all have more dimensions to their game than Curry.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:02 PM
No you're using the term inappropriately. The American language has a lot of words in it try looking for the appropriate one.

Now you're just being a rigid dick, lighten up holmes. You just lack creativity.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:02 PM
There are a number of guys between Curry and those 2, everyone knows that.

Speaking speak for others is foolish. Curry is playing like a top 5 player this year. Is he top 5 is debatable but stating it as fact one way or the other is flat out wrong.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:03 PM
Now you're just being a rigid dick, lighten up holmes. You just lack creativity.

No you're just acting like a child because people disagree with your opinion that you're trying to pass as fact

lol, please
02-27-2014, 06:03 PM
:facepalm: this thread.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:04 PM
Speaking speak for others is foolish. Curry is playing like a top 5 player this year. Is he top 5 is debatable but stating it as fact one way or the other is flat out wrong.

Looks like it's nap time.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 06:04 PM
Love, Unibrow, Dwight, Harden, Lillard all have more dimensions to their game than Curry.

you think Lillard has more dimensions to his game than Curry? And Harden?? now youre reaching for any kind of hope that you can get your hands on, just so you can win an online argument.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:04 PM
Harden, Lillard all have more dimensions to their game than Curry.

Explain why Harden and Lillard have more dimensions. Elaborate.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:05 PM
No you're just acting like a child because people disagree with your opinion that you're trying to pass as fact

I've actually explained a number of times that what I'm saying is my opinion and not fact, so keep trying.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:06 PM
Explain why Harden and Lillard have more dimensions. Elaborate.

Maybe you should explain yourself for once, why do you think they don't?

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:07 PM
you think Lillard has more dimensions to his game than Curry? And Harden?? now youre reaching for any kind of hope that you can get your hands on, just so you can win an online argument.

No. Once again, I'm stating my opinion. I'm just answering the questions people ask me. Apparently they care what I have to say.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:09 PM
Dude one dimensional means he can only do one thing well. Saying curry is one dimensional is saying all you think he can do is shoot the ball and that's it. Korver is one dimensional. Great 3 PT shooter but that's really it. Curry can pass the ball extremely well considering he is averaging nearly 10 apg and is an average to above average defender this year. That's not one dimensional.

yeah, to me, a one dimensional shooter is a guy like Korver, or Morrow for instance. Without their shooting ability, they wouldn't even be in the league. To me, THAT is one dimensional.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:11 PM
We are talking about him being a star and overrated, I'm saying he is too one dimensional to be considered with the absolute best players in the game today.

I never compared him to any ****ing spot up role player or anything like that.

He's a great player, but yeah he is overrated because of his greatness in one dimension of the game.

I get what you are trying to say, but that is obviously very opinion based saying he is overrated because of that. However, everyone is entitled to their opinions. For this season alone, he is probably having a top 5 season. Does it mean he is a top 5 player? Not to me. Not yet.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:11 PM
yeah, to me, a one dimensional shooter is a guy like Korver, or Morrow for instance. Without their shooting ability, they wouldn't even be in the league. To me, THAT is one dimensional.

And I agree with that. But when we are discussing the upper echelon of players in the league, terms like that become more elastic to fit the discussion. It's all about context.

It's like looking at a statline without watching a game...not that anyone around here ever does that :rolleyes:

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:12 PM
Maybe you should explain yourself for once, why do you think they don't?

So you don't actually have any reasons then? Dodging the question because you can't answer it. Great, it really is a waste of time discussing anything with you.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:13 PM
You really need to quit right now. You're digging a hole that you will never get out of. You're making yourself look like a basketball noob.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:14 PM
I get what you are trying to say, but that is obviously very opinion based saying he is overrated because of that. However, everyone is entitled to their opinions. For this season alone, he is probably having a top 5 season. Does it mean he is a top 5 player? Not to me. Not yet.

And that is why I made it perfectly clear that I was expressing my opinion.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:14 PM
I get what you are trying to say, but that is obviously very opinion based saying he is overrated because of that. However, everyone is entitled to their opinions. For this season alone, he is probably having a top 5 season. Does it mean he is a top 5 player? Not to me. Not yet.

I can respect that. He's playing at the level but you want to see it for more than a year. If he puts up similar numbers/impact next year would that be enough for you to consider him top 5 player.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:14 PM
You really need to quit right now. You're digging a hole that you will never get out of. You're making yourself look like a basketball noob.

okay man, I could care less what you think. We have been having different discussions this whole time anyway. You are making yourself look like something much less flattering.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:15 PM
And I agree with that. But when we are discussing the upper echelon of players in the league, terms like that become more elastic to fit the discussion. It's all about context.

It's like looking at a statline without watching a game...not that anyone around here ever does that :rolleyes:

I understand the point you are trying to make. Without his elite shooting, Curry would not be an elite player, despite being a good passer, floor general, etc. But can't that be said of a few other star players? I mean, you take away Durant's greatest strength, and he is still a star. There are only a couple of players right now that have almost no flaws. The other top players rely heavily on some part of their game to dominate.

But I do understand what you are saying. Remove Curry's elite level shooting, and make him average at it, and he is not an all star caliber player. But, at the end of the day, he IS an elite shooter.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:16 PM
I can respect that. He's playing at the level but you want to see it for more than a year. If he puts up similar numbers/impact next year would that be enough for you to consider him top 5 player.

Depends on what Westbrook or Rose do for instance. But if he has top 5 numbers, and shows some improvement on the defensive end, he slides in there for me. I also feel like he and Harden will flip flop back and forth ranking wise over their primes.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:17 PM
You really need to quit right now. You're digging a hole that you will never get out of. You're making yourself look like a basketball noob.

chill out with the attitude man, cmon.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:21 PM
I understand the point you are trying to make. Without his elite shooting, Curry would not be an elite player, despite being a good passer, floor general, etc. But can't that be said of a few other star players? I mean, you take away Durant's greatest strength, and he is still a star. There are only a couple of players right now that have almost no flaws. The other top players rely heavily on some part of their game to dominate.

But I do understand what you are saying. Remove Curry's elite level shooting, and make him average at it, and he is not an all star caliber player. But, at the end of the day, he IS an elite shooter.

I never disagreed with that. I regularly praise Curry for his shooting, it's supernatural. As far as other stars though, you mentioned KD, what would you take away? It's obvious for Curry, not so much for the others, which is why I see him as I do (refusing to use the term for fear of persecution).

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:23 PM
I understand the point you are trying to make. Without his elite shooting, Curry would not be an elite player, despite being a good passer, floor general, etc. But can't that be said of a few other star players? I mean, you take away Durant's greatest strength, and he is still a star. There are only a couple of players right now that have almost no flaws. The other top players rely heavily on some part of their game to dominate.

But I do understand what you are saying. Remove Curry's elite level shooting, and make him average at it, and he is not an all star caliber player. But, at the end of the day, he IS an elite shooter.

Paul George, James Harden, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul... pretty much anyone not named Lebron. Take away their biggest strength, and they're not elite. But that's WHY they're elite and it's not the same as being one dimensional.

"Take away Currys ability to score and he's not elite"... really? Take away Durants ability to score and he grabs you some rebounds, maybe throws in a block and a few assists now and then. 79% of Durants shot attempts are jump shots, they account for about 18 of his points per game. Meaning if he couldn't hit jump shots he would be averaging 13 points per game, maybe not even that because of he's not a threat from outside he doesn't create the same opportunities inside.

You can't just eliminate a players ability to score to form an argument.


chill out with the attitude man, cmon.

LOL are you serious?

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:23 PM
I never disagreed with that. I regularly praise Curry for his shooting, it's supernatural. As far as other stars though, you mentioned KD, what would you take away? It's obvious for Curry, not so much for the others, which is why I see him as I do (refusing to use the term for fear of persecution).

haha, exactly. Pick what you want to take from Durant, and he is still an elite player. Which is why I said he and LeBron are immune to your point of taking a players strength away and seeing what is left.

Take away Love's spacing ability. Still excellent, but not a star.
Take away Blake's athleticism. Still excellent, but not a star.

Couple of examples

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:25 PM
Depends on what Westbrook or Rose do for instance. But if he has top 5 numbers, and shows some improvement on the defensive end, he slides in there for me. I also feel like he and Harden will flip flop back and forth ranking wise over their primes.

Yea I don't think rose will ever be the same player again. I also don't think his defense improves much more than it is right now, average. As for harden vs curry maybe they go back and forth but that only happens if harden improves his defense for me. He's an absolute joke on that end at times. If curry can improve to an average defender there's no reason that harden shouldn't.

Phenom1
02-27-2014, 06:26 PM
and just because they are your fav player, that should be reason alone that they arent overrated right?

I already explained this!!

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:26 PM
Paul George, James Harden, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul... pretty much anyone not named Lebron. Take away their biggest strength, and they're not elite. But that's WHY they're elite and it's not the same as being one dimensional.

"Take away Currys ability to score and he's not elite"... really? Take away Durants ability to score and he grabs you some rebounds, maybe throws in a block and a few assists now and then.

You can't just eliminate a players ability to score to form an argument.



not his ability to score, his shooting prowess. Make him an average shooter. And he is no longer a star level player.

But as I stated, he IS an elite shooter, so this is all hypothetical anyways. Perhaps if he wasn't a great shooter growing up he became better at finding his way to the rim, ala Tony Parker. Who knows...

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:27 PM
haha, exactly. Pick what you want to take from Durant, and he is still an elite player.

I just did. I took away his jump shot, just like you did with Steph. And he's not a star, he's Trevor Ariza but better.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:29 PM
Yea I don't think rose will ever be the same player again. I also don't think his defense improves much more than it is right now, average. As for harden vs curry maybe they go back and forth but that only happens if harden improves his defense for me. He's an absolute joke on that end at times. If curry can improve to an average defender there's no reason that harden shouldn't.

I hope Rose returns to his old self, but I am not confident.

Yeah, Harden's advantage over everyone in scoring efficiency has dropped big time. He is still obviously elite, but a few perimeter guys have caught him. I think he improves his 3 point percentage again though, and he has got to get better on defense, right? I mean nobody can stay that bad for long haha.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:31 PM
I just did. I took away his jump shot, just like you did with Steph. And he's not a star, he's Trevor Ariza but better.

Durant will attack the rim and live at the line, and still score 24 a night, while grabbing 8 rebounds, dishing out 5 assists, and being an elite defending wing. If you make him an average jump shooter, he is still elite.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:31 PM
haha, exactly. Pick what you want to take from Durant, and he is still an elite player. Which is why I said he and LeBron are immune to your point of taking a players strength away and seeing what is left.

Take away Love's spacing ability. Still excellent, but not a star.
Take away Blake's athleticism. Still excellent, but not a star.

Couple of examples
That's not what he's doing tho. Take away currys spacing he's still excellent. He's got a very good mid range game and can get to the hoop, very good pass and play average d. Not an all star but not a role player.

He's saying take away his shot.

Take loves shot and he is a great rebounder with a poor post game and bad defense.
Take Blake's athleticism and he isn't excellent. He is average in the post and not a great defender and gets worse without his athleticism making up for it. Good passer for a big tho.

Neither would be all stars.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:32 PM
I hope Rose returns to his old self, but I am not confident.

Yeah, Harden's advantage over everyone in scoring efficiency has dropped big time. He is still obviously elite, but a few perimeter guys have caught him. I think he improves his 3 point percentage again though, and he has got to get better on defense, right? I mean nobody can stay that bad for long haha.
I would not be surprised if he never does.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 06:33 PM
Top third as a rebounding point as well. It's an under appreciated aspect of his gloriously well rounded game (; ) that goes unmentioned due to his slight size. There's always one or two boards a night he brings in that nobody would expect him to pull. He's not a Rondo/Westbrook/Rubio/MCW level of rebounder, but in the next tier.

As an aside, I'd like to mention again: MVP year Rose (his sole season among the true elite) was not a better player than Curry is at. It is a debate, and I would lean Curry (shocker, I know).

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:33 PM
Durant will attack the rim and live at the line, and still score 24 a night, while grabbing 8 rebounds, dishing out 5 assists, and being an elite defending wing. If you make him an average jump shooter, he is still elite.

Reason it's easy for him to drive is they have to respect his shot without that he isn't nearly as good at driving

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:33 PM
That's not what he's doing tho. Take away currys spacing he's still excellent. He's got a very good mid range game and can get to the hoop, very good pass and play average d. Not an all star but not a role player.

He's saying take away his shot.

Take loves shot and he is a great rebounder with a poor post game and bad defense.
Take Blake's athleticism and he isn't excellent. He is average in the post and not a great defender and gets worse without his athleticism making up for it. Good passer for a big tho.

Neither would be all stars.

we are in agreement dude...

I think there are 2 players who if you take one of their biggest strengths away, they are still elite. I can't say that for any of the other top 10 players.

At least that is what I believe Knicks was trying to say, is that Curry's game, to him, is based so heavily off his shooting ability, he doesn't rate him the same way others may. I don't necessarily agree with it, I am just trying to get the flame war directed at him in here on track with an actual discussion.

Phenom1
02-27-2014, 06:34 PM
Anyone saying Curry is overrated is just a hater. No one thinks hes the best player right now, but definitely top 5, which is where he should be.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:35 PM
Reason it's easy for him to drive is they have to respect his shot without that he isn't nearly as good at driving

Make him an average shooter, they still need to watch him outside. Point is, he is elite at nearly everything the game of basketball asks of you. Taking away one thing isn't going to cause him not to be a star player.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:36 PM
we are in agreement dude...

I think there are 2 players who if you take one of their biggest strengths away, they are still elite. I can't say that for any of the other top 10 players.

At least that is what I believe Knicks was trying to say, is that Curry's game, to him, is based so heavily off his shooting ability, he doesn't rate him the same way others may. I don't necessarily agree with it, I am just trying to get the flame war directed at him in here on track with an actual discussion.

The thread should be locked and done with. The premise was poor at best.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 06:38 PM
we are in agreement dude...

I think there are 2 players who if you take one of their biggest strengths away, they are still elite. I can't say that for any of the other top 10 players.

At least that is what I believe Knicks was trying to say, is that Curry's game, to him, is based so heavily off his shooting ability, he doesn't rate him the same way others may. I don't necessarily agree with it, I am just trying to get the flame war directed at him in here on track with an actual discussion.

I agree here too, but would throw in CP3 if you took out his +defense and +rebounding. Still elite.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:39 PM
Durant will attack the rim and live at the line, and still score 24 a night, while grabbing 8 rebounds, dishing out 5 assists, and being an elite defending wing. If you make him an average jump shooter, he is still elite.

Curry has one of the best floaters in he game and incredible handles, he could also get to the rim. Without a shot, he would essentially be Tony Parker lite.

If Durant can't space the floor, he doesn't get those opportunities to attack the rim, defenders sag off and he never gets within ten feet of the rim.

He'll be a defensive specialist that gets you 13 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists. He won't be a superstar or franchise player.


Take away the court vision of Steve Nash.
Take away the defensive ability of Dwight Howard.
Take away Hardens driving and finishing ability.
Make Kevin Love an "average" shooter for his position.
Take away Kobe's competitiveness.
Take away Roy Hibberts defense.
Take away Kyrie Irvings handles.
Make Melo an average shooter.
Take away the speed of Rose.
Take away the athleticism of Westbrook.

I could go on...


The argument is just weak. It's not the same as being one dimensional. You take away Durant shooting and he can still create for others, play defense and according to you, get to the rim. All things Curry would do as well. Take away Kyle Korvers shooting and he literally can't play basketball. That is the definition of one dimensional

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 06:41 PM
Curry has all the talent and skill in the world. Easily one of the most skilled players in the league.

Ive had high hopes for him

His mental toughness and will to win has fallen well short of my expectations though.

Unless he develops a killer instinct that all great players need - I don't see Curry as being a superstar

Swashcuff
02-27-2014, 06:41 PM
I have never seen, nor heard anyone say that. You need to calm down kitty cat.

While I think the premise of this thread is utter filth he does have a point. There is one poster who I have seen call Steph potentially the G.O.A.T. PG by using fantasy stats as his argument. He also said that Curry has G.O.A.T. potential, he alone put a sour taste of Curry in posters mouths here on PSD.

Edit: Oh and look he posted right above me.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 06:43 PM
Curry has all the talent and skill in the world. Easily one of the most skilled players in the league.

Ive had high hopes for him

His mental toughness and will to win has fallen well short of my expectations though.

Unless he develops a killer instinct that all great players need - I don't see Curry as being a superstar

PraiseJesus still reeling from Curry underperforming in exhibition contests two weeks ago, despite a fantastic playoff run and elite play throughout the year.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:43 PM
Curry has one of the best floaters in he game and incredible handles, he could also get to the rim.

If Durant can't space the floor, he doesn't get those opportunities to attack the rim, defenders sag off and he never gets within ten feet of the rim.

He'll be a defensive specialist that gets you 13 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists. He won't be a superstar or franchise player.


Take away the court vision of Steve Nash.
Take away the defensive ability of Dwight Howard.
Take away Hardens driving and finishing ability.
Make Kevin Love an "average" shooter for his position.
Take away Kobe's competitiveness.
Take away Roy Hibberts defense.
Take away Kyrie Irvings handles.
Make Melo an average shooter.
Take away the speed of Rose.
Take away the athleticism of Westbrook.

I could go on...


The argument is just weak. It's not the same as being one dimensional. You take away Durant shooting and he can still create for others, play defense and according to you, get to the rim. All things Curry would do as well. Take away Kyle Korvers shooting and he literally can't play basketball. That is the definition of one dimensional

when Parker first came in the league, he couldn't shoot well, but lived in the paint. It's not as simple as saying, "taking away a great jump shot kills his ability to get into the paint". Not with an athlete like Durant, Parker, or Paul for instance.

If you disagree, then the very first sentence in your post is hypocritical.

Durant would be elite if you made him an average jump shooter. LeBron was, we have the proof on that. I don't believe any other top 10 player would still remain elite if you take away their biggest strength.

But hey, at the end of the day, they DO have that strength, so who cares, right?

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:44 PM
I agree here too, but would throw in CP3 if you took out his +defense and +rebounding. Still elite.

he would still live in the lane as well with that shiftiness and quickness.

TrueFan420
02-27-2014, 06:48 PM
But hey, at the end of the day, they DO have that strength, so who cares, right?

Which is part of the reason this asinine thread should be closed or renamed to take away a players best trait and how are they effected?

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 06:49 PM
When experts say Steph is the best shooter they've ever seen, theyre not just talking about jump shooting or spacing. The guy gets buckets in a variety of ways. Those are all dimensions mind you

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:49 PM
when Parker first came in the league, he couldn't shoot well, but lived in the paint. It's not as simple as saying, "taking away a great jump shot kills his ability to get into the paint". Not with an athlete like Durant, Parker, or Paul for instance.

If you disagree, then the very first sentence in your post is hypocritical.

Durant would be elite if you made him an average jump shooter. LeBron was, we have the proof on that. I don't believe any other top 10 player would still remain elite if you take away their biggest strength.

But hey, at the end of the day, they DO have that strength, so who cares, right?

If you think Durant could still get to the rim then Curry could too. I think you're underrating his ability to drive. So he would still be scoring on the inside, assisting, rebounding and playing above average defense. Like I said, he would essentially be Tony Parker lite.

That is not one dimensional.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 06:50 PM
we are in agreement dude...

I think there are 2 players who if you take one of their biggest strengths away, they are still elite. I can't say that for any of the other top 10 players.

At least that is what I believe Knicks was trying to say, is that Curry's game, to him, is based so heavily off his shooting ability, he doesn't rate him the same way others may. I don't necessarily agree with it, I am just trying to get the flame war directed at him in here on track with an actual discussion.

That, and the near perfect construction of a team around him. I'm not holding it against him either, I've got nothing against Curry as a player or person or anything. I wish him nothing but the best, injury-free career he can have. However, I can't help but think that is a factor is his play as well.

WARRIORS@GR
02-27-2014, 06:54 PM
Overrated.His brother is better.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:55 PM
If you think Durant could still get to the rim then Curry could too. I think you're underrating his ability to drive. So he would still be scoring on the inside, assisting, rebounding and playing above average defense. Like I said, he would essentially be Tony Parker lite.

That is not one dimensional.

I never said he was one dimensional at all haha, I was simply trying to see exactly what that poster was getting at. I think I understand now.

I mean, Durant is 6'11", him going/getting to the rim with his quickness and handles is going to end up finishing a lot easier than a 6'3" Curry, but as I said, I do agree Curry would still be a good player, just not elite. He isn't a plus defender, he is an above average rebounder for his position, and I do like his distributing ability, but without that elite jumper, I think he falls into the 2nd tier of PG's. Still very good, not elite.

But again, he does have that jumper. I really don't feel like debating stupid hypotheticals anymore, I am simply giving my opinion on his game. And his "pretend" game if he couldn't shoot. Imagine a Curry that couldn't shoot...haha

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:56 PM
It's not as simple as saying, "taking away a great jump shot kills his ability to get into the paint". Not with an athlete like Durant, Parker, or Paul for instance.


CP3:
FG% on drives = 51.0%
Drives per game = 5.4
Points per 48min on drives = 4.2

SC30:
FG% on drives = 45.8%
Drives per game = 6.6
Points per 48min on drives = 5.4


Just saying... he's more than a jump shooter.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 06:57 PM
That, and the near perfect construction of a team around him. I'm not holding it against him either, I've got nothing against Curry as a player or person or anything. I wish him nothing but the best, injury-free career he can have. However, I can't help but think that is a factor is his play as well.

Well, I think there's a possibility that You don't want him to be better than Steve Nash one day, and you wanted him on the Knicks all along.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:57 PM
That, and the near perfect construction of a team around him. I'm not holding it against him either, I've got nothing against Curry as a player or person or anything. I wish him nothing but the best, injury-free career he can have. However, I can't help but think that is a factor is his play as well.

sure, but don't some of the great players over time have the benefit of playing in great situations? I mean, that is just the way it goes sometimes.

Goose17
02-27-2014, 06:58 PM
Well, I think there's a possibility that You don't want him to be better than Steve Nash one day, and you wanted him on the Knicks all along.

Oh snap, forgot about that. Draft day was funny.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 06:58 PM
CP3:
FG% on drives = 51.0%
Drives per game = 5.4
Points per 48min on drives = 4.2

SC30:
FG% on drives = 45.8%
Drives per game = 6.6
Points per 48min on drives = 5.4


Just saying... he's more than a jump shooter.

Sure he is, but if he was reliant on that drive, I don't think he has the shiftiness or quickness to still thrive on the Parker level, when he couldn't shoot a lick. We aren't talking about Ricky Rubio here haha, he would still be a much better scorer than a lot at his position most likely.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 07:01 PM
Oh snap, forgot about that. Draft day was funny.

didn't they pick Jordan Hill that year? hahaha

tredigs
02-27-2014, 07:02 PM
That, and the near perfect construction of a team around him. I'm not holding it against him either, I've got nothing against Curry as a player or person or anything. I wish him nothing but the best, injury-free career he can have. However, I can't help but think that is a factor is his play as well.
You say this, and mention D Lee in particular, but when I provide the #'s that prove exactly the opposite, you ignore the post and continue blathering. I assure you, you are wrong.

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 07:02 PM
Well, I think there's a possibility that You don't want him to be better than Steve Nash one day, and you wanted him on the Knicks all along.

:confused:

Goose17
02-27-2014, 07:03 PM
I don't think he has the shiftiness or quickness to still thrive on the Parker level, when he couldn't shoot a lick.

Fair enough, you should watch him more though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ermgIx2Um2w

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 07:03 PM
You say this, and mention D Lee in particular, but when I provide the #'s that prove exactly the opposite, you ignore the post and continue blathering. I assure you, you are wrong.

you provided p&r numbers before, nothing else. What you provided was referencing one aspect of one player, not the rest of his team.

Are you saying that Curry is thriving at this level IN SPITE of his teammates? Or that it wouldn't matter who they were?

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 07:05 PM
Fair enough, you should watch him more though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ermgIx2Um2w

I really need to. He is fun to watch. Only seen him 5 times this season

lol, please
02-27-2014, 07:05 PM
How is Curry overrated or one dimensional? :confused: Top 5 PG in any era.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 07:09 PM
you provided p&r numbers before, nothing else. What you provided was referencing one aspect of one player, not the rest of his team.

Are you saying that Curry is thriving at this level IN SPITE of his teammates? Or that it wouldn't matter who they were?

Did you see who Curry was playing with his first 2 years in the league? Most of those guys are out of the league

Kaner
02-27-2014, 07:10 PM
That, and the near perfect construction of a team around him. I'm not holding it against him either, I've got nothing against Curry as a player or person or anything. I wish him nothing but the best, injury-free career he can have. However, I can't help but think that is a factor is his play as well.

But he IS an elite shooter, and neither age nor injury will take that away from him unlike some of the other top 5-10 players in the nba who rely heavily on athleticism.

The irony of your one-dimensional argument is that to me, atleast offensively, he's the most well rounded pg in the league. He has great handles, he's a great finisher around the rim, he has great courtvision, underrated first-step and athleticism, and obviously he's a near unparalleled shooter with above average defense and rebounding.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 07:12 PM
you provided p&r numbers before, nothing else. What you provided was referencing one aspect of one player, not the rest of his team.

Are you saying that Curry is thriving at this level IN SPITE of his teammates? Or that it wouldn't matter who they were?
In response to this:


He benefits a lot from the players around him. Lee is one of the better finishers of the P&R and as I said previously, he has guys that are dependent upon being set up.

I said this:


D Lee ranks 64th on the PnR and 260th as a spot up shooter. It's a shot that Curry sets him up with in wide open space from 15-18 all game long, but unfortunately he does not excel at it. Lee's a fantastic ISO scorer and solid on putbacks. Nothing about his game inflates Curry's #'s, he deflates them if anything.



His presence on the floor alone (not even touching the ball) positively effects teammates far more than they are positively effecting him (see: spacing due to collapsing defenses on dribble drives and extending them due to double teams). So yes, the other way around. Although his teammates are a very fine fit.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 07:13 PM
But he IS an elite shooter, and neither age nor injury will take that away from him unlike some of the other top 5-10 players in the nba who rely heavily on athleticism.

The irony of your one-dimensional argument is that to me, atleast offensively, he's the most well rounded pg in the league. He has great handles, he's a great finisher around the rim, he has great courtvision, underrated first-step and athleticism, and obviously he's a near unparalleled shooter with above average defense and rebounding.

CP3 is a more well rounded offensive PG, but that is the only one that comes to mind..

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 07:13 PM
Curry needs to man up instead of shrinking in high pressure situations

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 07:14 PM
In response to this:



I said this:



His presence on the floor alone (not even touching the ball) positively effects teammates far more than they are positively effecting him (see: spacing due to collapsing defenses on dribble drives and extending them due to double teams). So yes, the other way around.

oh for sure. Teams are scared to death when Curry has the ball within 25 feet, so his teammates are the ones benefiting.

lol, please
02-27-2014, 07:14 PM
Curry needs to man up instead of shrinking in high pressure situations

:facepalm:

WARRIORS@GR
02-27-2014, 07:17 PM
I really like the hate though.Warriors are overrated and won't make the playoffs.Curry is an overrated and one-dimensional shooter.Bogut is trash.

Nobody cared about the Warriors for so long,the hate by some people right now makes me so happy.

Swashcuff
02-27-2014, 07:17 PM
:facepalm:

You shouldn't facepalm that dude for that he once said Curry had the potential to be better than Jordan. I am SHOCKED to see him take this stance now.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 07:21 PM
You shouldn't facepalm that dude for that he once said Curry had the potential to be better than Jordan. I am SHOCKED to see him take this stance now.

youre right about that

KnickaBocka.44
02-27-2014, 07:21 PM
In response to this:



I said this:



His presence on the floor alone (not even touching the ball) positively effects teammates far more than they are positively effecting him (see: spacing due to collapsing defenses on dribble drives and extending them due to double teams). So yes, the other way around. Although his teammates are a very fine fit.

In my defense, I said pick and roll and you gave me pick and pop stats from 15-18 feet.

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 07:21 PM
You shouldn't facepalm that dude for that he once said Curry had the potential to be better than Jordan. I am SHOCKED to see him take this stance now.

Better than Jordan?

Haha I never said that.

tredigs
02-27-2014, 07:21 PM
Curry needs to man up instead of shrinking in high pressure situations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0baJfRurYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV4Aq_FeVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Z0G1qb8Pg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIwz3npZo8

I don't know, I don't have to keep linking them. Just keep worrying about an AS Game pimpin, I'm more concerned with games that count.

Hawkeye15
02-27-2014, 07:22 PM
Better than Jordan?

Haha I never said that.

dude, I remember that thread. You made some bold claims haha. Not sure if Mike came up though

WARRIORS@GR
02-27-2014, 07:22 PM
You shouldn't facepalm that dude for that he once said Curry had the potential to be better than Jordan. I am SHOCKED to see him take this stance now.
But he sucked in the all star weekend.He is trash is the most important moments of the season(3pt contest and ASG).

tredigs
02-27-2014, 07:23 PM
In my defense, I said pick and roll and you gave me pick and pop stats from 15-18 feet.

To admonish your defense, I gave you both.

COOLbeans
02-27-2014, 07:25 PM
Better than Jordan?

Haha I never said that.

maybe you didn't say that, but you were very much madly in love with him

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 07:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0baJfRurYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV4Aq_FeVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Z0G1qb8Pg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIwz3npZo8

I don't know, I don't have to keep linking them. Just keep worrying about an AS Game pimpin, I'm more concerned with games that count.

Are those all regular season games???

IN the playoffs he can barely dribble the ball up the court without getting swiped

WARRIORS@GR
02-27-2014, 07:28 PM
maybe you didn't say that, but you were very much madly in love with himHe loved him,until he sucked *** in the most important game of the season(All star game).:laugh:

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 07:29 PM
Curry has become a regular season monster that SHRINKS when the pressure is greatest.

When he gets the Warriors out of the West I will believe differently.

Until then he is on the Melo level for me

PraiseJesus
02-27-2014, 07:30 PM
It's sad to see such natural skill and talent not reach it's full potential.