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Kushed
02-15-2014, 07:55 PM
What you guys think?

abe_froman
02-15-2014, 07:59 PM
no way
...but being a career 20/5/4, 7x all star,rookie of the year winner,ect,ect., should and will get him in

ThuglifeJ
02-15-2014, 08:01 PM
He is a legend in that sense. Doesn't matter though, he was more than a dunker and will get in for his career as a whole + college + Olympics + inspiration to the young crop like KD, Griffin, etc

Kushed
02-15-2014, 08:17 PM
Not saying VCs other career accomplishments don't stack up but does being the best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?

He revolutionized dunking. He was the best to ever do it. From that sense, should he be in the Hall?

2-ONE-5
02-15-2014, 08:17 PM
hes not the clear cut best dunker and no that doesnt warrant hOF

Kushed
02-15-2014, 08:22 PM
hes not the clear cut best dunker and no that doesnt warrant hOF

Who is up there with him?

abe_froman
02-15-2014, 08:26 PM
Not saying VCs other career accomplishments don't stack up but does being the best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?

He revolutionized dunking. He was the best to ever do it. From that sense, should he be in the Hall?
he might not be the best dunker,many still feel like dr.j,mj,'nique,ect. are better,something like best at dunking is extremely subjective

as for can someone get in just by being the best at one thing? yes,ask dennis rodman

John Walls Era
02-15-2014, 09:38 PM
This loser is a HOF. I don't really like his mentality, but he has some credentials.

albertajaysfan
02-15-2014, 09:47 PM
he might not be the best dunker,many still feel like dr.j,mj,'nique,ect. are better,something like best at dunking is extremely subjective

as for can someone get in just by being the best at one thing? yes,ask dennis rodman

I get your point. But do you agree rebounding helps your team win, while dunking is flashy but ultimately irrelevant in terms of winning?

abe_froman
02-15-2014, 09:56 PM
I get your point. But do you agree rebounding helps your team win, while dunking is flashy but ultimately irrelevant in terms of winning?
i totally agree with you ,i was just answering that part of his question of " best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?" on its own face

dunking alone wont get anyone into the hall unless thats only way how you get your points and accumulate enough of them to have a good stat line

bagwell368
02-15-2014, 10:03 PM
Not saying VCs other career accomplishments don't stack up but does being the best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?

He revolutionized dunking. He was the best to ever do it. From that sense, should he be in the Hall?

That question is a personification of what I find objectionable about the ESPN generation of fan. The dunk, block, deep 3 - that's most of what makes up Sports Centers Top 10. What percentages of the 5 on 5 game known as basketball do those plays represent in terms of importance to winning and losing?

For starters there are so many missed dunks it probably has negative value compared to a decent lay-up using the correct hand. Blocks are nice, but if the team of the blocker doesn't get possession it doesn't do that much good. 3's? Yeah they have value. So what's the answer 4% for all 3? 3% maybe.

Basketball - it's a great game - too bad most look at games in person and on TV the same way - follow the ball, wait for a dunk, block, or 3. On TV you can even have some announcer tell you how important the play you just saw is. Too bad so few can figure it out for themselves, or watch the game off the ball.

So, VC is getting in the HOF, but, I dearly hope not one voter is banal enough to put him in for dunking as a major part of why he should be in.

/pathetic

FOXHOUND
02-15-2014, 10:24 PM
Not sure how many people know this about Rodman but he wasn't just a rebounder. He was a great defender and had 2 DPOY awards, 2 rings and 2 All-NBA 3rd team selections before he became a Bull in 1996.

Vince Carter has enough credentials for the HOF but I don't think he's a first ballot guy at all. One thing doesn't get you in the HOF but a career of good longevity certainly can, and will for Carter.

Jamiecballer
02-15-2014, 10:31 PM
no it should not be enough to get someone in, but Carter has had a nice enough career that it won't matter. he's aged very nicely.

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 12:05 AM
Not saying VCs other career accomplishments don't stack up but does being the best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?

He revolutionized dunking. He was the best to ever do it. From that sense, should he be in the Hall?

Why does it matter though? And a reason why everyone was so in awe of VC and his dunking was because he was a superstar player as well..so he'd be scoring 40 points AND giving you 3 insane dunks on any given night.

Don't think ppl would care as much if he was a 6 ppg player who could dunk better than everyone.
But to your question..I'd actually maybe say yes vs what others say..it was such a big deal at the time when Vince was dunking. It had a big impact on sports at the time. Being the famous probably warrants being remembered in basketball being the best at something. Just because he was so impactful to the sport...if that makes sense

IKnowHoops
02-16-2014, 12:09 AM
What you guys think?

That combined with how good he was makes him a hall of fame lock in my book.

IKnowHoops
02-16-2014, 12:12 AM
Why does it matter though? And a reason why everyone was so in awe of VC and his dunking was because he was a superstar player as well..so he'd be scoring 40 points AND giving you 3 insane dunks on any given night.

Don't think ppl would care as much if he was a 6 ppg player who could dunk better than everyone.
But to your question..I'd actually maybe say yes vs what others say..it was such a big deal at the time when Vince was dunking. It had a big impact on sports at the time. Being the famous probably warrants being remembered in basketball being the best at something. Just because he was so impactful to the sport...if that makes sense

This. No one is putting Harold Miner, JR Rider, or Spud web into the hall. Shawn Kemp probably won't get in and he had a good career while being the most magnificent in game dunker of his time. So dunking alone no matter how great won't get you in.

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 12:19 AM
Not saying VCs other career accomplishments don't stack up but does being the best a specific attribute of the game put someone into the Hall automatically?

He revolutionized dunking. He was the best to ever do it. From that sense, should he be in the Hall?

That question is a personification of what I find objectionable about the ESPN generation of fan. The dunk, block, deep 3 - that's most of what makes up Sports Centers Top 10. What percentages of the 5 on 5 game known as basketball do those plays represent in terms of importance to winning and losing?

For starters there are so many missed dunks it probably has negative value compared to a decent lay-up using the correct hand. Blocks are nice, but if the team of the blocker doesn't get possession it doesn't do that much good. 3's? Yeah they have value. So what's the answer 4% for all 3? 3% maybe.

Basketball - it's a great game - too bad most look at games in person and on TV the same way - follow the ball, wait for a dunk, block, or 3. On TV you can even have some announcer tell you how important the play you just saw is. Too bad so few can figure it out for themselves, or watch the game off the ball.

So, VC is getting in the HOF, but, I dearly hope not one voter is banal enough to put him in for dunking as a major part of why he should be in.

/pathetic

While I do agree with you...dunks and blocks do warrant a lot of momentum for team+fans. Brings confidence to teams, puts fear into opponents..so it does contribute to winning. You just have to be logical about it. If its a big play yes good if its a pointless dunk/miss/block out of bounds I agree with you

asandhu23
02-16-2014, 12:25 AM
Guaranteed Hall of Famer just like T-Mac.

2-ONE-5
02-16-2014, 12:26 AM
Who is up there with him?

Wilkins, The Doc, Jordan, J Rich. I prob have VC 2 or 3 but i just dont think hes clearly the best

Hawkeye15
02-16-2014, 12:38 AM
absolutely not. But the rest of his resume is more than enough

Heediot
02-16-2014, 07:37 AM
Wilkins, The Doc, Jordan, J Rich. I prob have VC 2 or 3 but i just dont think hes clearly the best

I got a deal on laser eye surgery, you want in?

PhillyFaninLA
02-16-2014, 09:34 AM
If he played 30 years ago, no one today would no who he is....he needs a ticket to get into the hall of fame

mike_noodles
02-16-2014, 09:42 AM
If he does get in, it's not because of the dunks. Although his highlight package for his career would be full of some of the best dunks ever.

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 01:39 PM
If he played 30 years ago, no one today would no who he is....he needs a ticket to get into the hall of fame

If he played 30 years ago NASA and the CIA would have confiscated him for belief he's from outer space

FriedTofuz
02-16-2014, 02:21 PM
VC is the best dunker of all time. Better than MJ, better than Dr J, better than wilkins.

D-Leethal
02-16-2014, 03:36 PM
The art of dunking is heavily embedded into the culture of basketball whether the old school purists like it or not. Basketball is bigger than the NBA and while dunking alone won't get you in there it should get a borderline guy over the hump. The Harlem Globetrotters are in the HOF.

Kashmir13579
02-16-2014, 04:10 PM
It doesn't need to be. Vince had a solid all-star career.

PhillyFaninLA
02-16-2014, 04:14 PM
If he played 30 years ago NASA and the CIA would have confiscated him for belief he's from outer space

Wow so close to resembling humor here...so so close

Vince was fun to watch but nothing special...he was a highlight reel and that is great for Sportscenter but not the hall of fame

Kashmir13579
02-16-2014, 04:28 PM
Wow so close to resembling humor here...so so close

Vince was fun to watch but nothing special...he was a highlight reel and that is great for Sportscenter but not the hall of fame

Sounds to me like an off-handed opinion, backed by nothing.

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 05:30 PM
If he played 30 years ago NASA and the CIA would have confiscated him for belief he's from outer space

Wow so close to resembling humor here...so so close

Vince was fun to watch but nothing special...he was a highlight reel and that is great for Sportscenter but not the hall of fame

Wasn't suppose to be a punchline joke. More so highlighting how ignorant you can be to think Vince Carter 30 years earlier wouldn't be above and beyond everyone athletically when he already was in 2000. 30 years earlier and you are seeing something not possible

Anyways VC will be in hof. Almost guaranteed

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 05:33 PM
Wow so close to resembling humor here...so so close

Vince was fun to watch but nothing special...he was a highlight reel and that is great for Sportscenter but not the hall of fame

Sounds to me like an off-handed opinion, backed by nothing.

But...he's part of the 1% almighty intelligent posters.. we are just the 99%.. (even though he did indeed just form a off handed opinion as an argument)

nastynice
02-16-2014, 06:10 PM
Who is up there with him?

my favorite, the human highlight film, dominique wilkins

nastynice
02-16-2014, 06:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHG1g8IFbQk

:drool:

PhillyFaninLA
02-16-2014, 06:25 PM
Wasn't suppose to be a punchline joke. More so highlighting how ignorant you can be to think Vince Carter 30 years earlier wouldn't be above and beyond everyone athletically when he already was in 2000. 30 years earlier and you are seeing something not possible

Anyways VC will be in hof. Almost guaranteed


What I meant was that he is a highlight reel and not special...people cared about all around game back in the day and he would be a nice player but relatively unknown if we didn't have youtube and the internet

PhillyFaninLA
02-16-2014, 06:27 PM
But...he's part of the 1% almighty intelligent posters.. we are just the 99%.. (even though he did indeed just form a off handed opinion as an argument)


So you post this and call me ignorant in another post to make you sound smart....to support your argument....hmmmmm....you are 5 years old resorting to name calling and something like this because I disagree on an internet forum...you are weak

2-ONE-5
02-16-2014, 07:11 PM
I got a deal on laser eye surgery, you want in?

go ahead please tell me Doc, Nique and MJ arent just as good or better? I threw in J Rich bcuz i think he gets forgotten for some reason when it comes to dunking

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 07:21 PM
Wasn't suppose to be a punchline joke. More so highlighting how ignorant you can be to think Vince Carter 30 years earlier wouldn't be above and beyond everyone athletically when he already was in 2000. 30 years earlier and you are seeing something not possible

Anyways VC will be in hof. Almost guaranteed


What I meant was that he is a highlight reel and not special...people cared about all around game back in the day and he would be a nice player but relatively unknown if we didn't have youtube and the internet

Ok well that makes more sense but you are still wrong. Vince, tmac, Kobe, Jordan, maybe wade, gervin are the most gifted scoring 2 guards to date. They could do anything, from anywhere. Get anywhere they wanted and take over games.

As a 2 guard Vince was as all around as it gets. One of best passers I've seen and a good rebounder for being 6 6 SG. He's playing today at age 37 and is one of the mavericks best players (WAS there best player last season). You don't get there by being just a dunker. You don't get 20/5/5 by being just a dunker or have 27 ppg years either.

Isn't he top 10 all time in 3 pointers made? Along with a good 39% clip from there. Dunks made him unique and the popularity soaring, but its not what made him great.

ThuglifeJ
02-16-2014, 07:26 PM
But...he's part of the 1% almighty intelligent posters.. we are just the 99%.. (even though he did indeed just form a off handed opinion as an argument)


So you post this and call me ignorant in another post to make you sound smart....to support your argument....hmmmmm....you are 5 years old resorting to name calling and something like this because I disagree on an internet forum...you are weak

Because look at how pretentious you are trying to be with your sig.. to attempt to be on a high horse here. Sorry for calling you out