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kjoke
02-13-2014, 07:10 AM
I started watching the NBA around the 99-00 season, and don't know much about MJ. For all his abilities, how athletic was he? Who would you compare him to now SOLELY on athletic ability?

sunsfan88
02-13-2014, 07:22 AM
Gerald Green.

DreamShaker
02-13-2014, 07:31 AM
Prime Wade with more hops, maybe? He was an acrobat like Wade, and also fast and strong. Go watch some 80's and early 90's MJ on YouTube. Dude was amazing to watch.

QueensG_718
02-13-2014, 07:33 AM
Durant. They both are pretty athletic and both have that killer instinct

kjoke
02-13-2014, 07:50 AM
Prime Wade with more hops, maybe? He was an acrobat like Wade, and also fast and strong. Go watch some 80's and early 90's MJ on YouTube. Dude was amazing to watch.

I'm terribly spoiled by this day and age of TV, i can't even watch porn on 480p anymore let along a basketball game :)

effen5
02-13-2014, 07:58 AM
Think of Kobe Bryant except Michael Jordan's fadeaway was untouchable. Nobody has had a mid game like Michael Jordan. His mid game was unbelievable to watch. He had Dwades ability to drive to the rim and finish but he went against Hall of Fame Centers....he was just a freak.

thenaj17
02-13-2014, 09:05 AM
Think of Kobe Bryant except Michael Jordan's fadeaway was untouchable. Nobody has had a mid game like Michael Jordan. His mid game was unbelievable to watch. He had Dwades ability to drive to the rim and finish but he went against Hall of Fame Centers....he was just a freak.

MJ was more athletic than Kobe. MJ had a 46'' vertical. In terms of hops, think Vince Carter.

Similar size, leap and relatively similar speed although Mike was quicker

Obviously as players, no comparison can be made...but physically a decent match

Master Mind
02-13-2014, 09:06 AM
Durant. They both are pretty athletic and both have that killer instinct

:confused:

Master Mind
02-13-2014, 09:10 AM
MJ's athletic ability was probably a mix of pre-injury Derrick Rose, prime Dwyane Wade, and prime Kobe but with insane hang time.

JPS
02-13-2014, 09:14 AM
Westbrook with bigger hands

Dade County
02-13-2014, 09:21 AM
Prime Wade with more hops, maybe? He was an acrobat like Wade, and also fast and strong. Go watch some 80's and early 90's MJ on YouTube. Dude was amazing to watch.


Yes, I was going to post something like this...

To the OP... His a mixture of prime Wade attacking style (but better at getting to the rim, more air time, and a better finisher), when Jordan developed his mid range game, you could compare his mid range to K Malone, when he won his Mvp's, or how Curry splashes 3's but convert that to mid range fade away's (just completely sick).

But I still say to this day, Jordan would not be Jordan, playing in todays game, because every Super Star player, gets his kind of calls now. So the advantages that he had, for being the only player of a 9yr span to get calls the way he did, made it impossible to defeat him in a playoff series.

So he would still win rings, but not 6 (unbeaten) and definitely he would have lost more playoff series and Final's.


Durant. They both are pretty athletic and both have that killer instinct

You're crazy...

Only thing you can compare about these two (style of game play), is the fact that they can score effortlessly.

celtNYpatsHeels
02-13-2014, 12:55 PM
If Prime Kobe had Prime Vince Carter's vertical with Dirk's fadeaway

RateSports
02-13-2014, 01:07 PM
Durant. They both are pretty athletic and both have that killer instinct

SMH.

How young are you people?

JEDean89
02-13-2014, 01:15 PM
There isn't a player in the nba with the athleticism that MJ had. He had a 48" vert, and could get higher than anyone in the league (see his dunk on ewing). LBJ I've read has a 46" but he isn't built nor does he play like MJ. I think Dante Exum is gonna be a Jordan light. He has a similar long and lanky 6' 6" body but I don't think he'll post a 40+ " vert.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 02:38 PM
Kobe with bigger hands. Jordan jumped a little higher, but that was the athletic ability court wise. But Kobe can't even palm the ball I believe, and Jordan had massive hands. It allowed him to finish after contact MUCH better than Kobe.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 02:44 PM
There isn't a player in the nba with the athleticism that MJ had. He had a 48" vert, and could get higher than anyone in the league (see his dunk on ewing). LBJ I've read has a 46" but he isn't built nor does he play like MJ. I think Dante Exum is gonna be a Jordan light. He has a similar long and lanky 6' 6" body but I don't think he'll post a 40+ " vert.

I had a poster on my wall as a kid, it said MJ had a 42" vertical. I mean, at 6'6", with those hands, that is ridiculous though.

valade16
02-13-2014, 02:50 PM
I had a poster on my wall as a kid, it said MJ had a 42" vertical. I mean, at 6'6", with those hands, that is ridiculous though.

I'm sure with they mystique of Jordan his vertical varies wildly on the telling.

But does it really matter once it's past 40", it's all in the "man should not be able to jump that high" stratosphere anyway...

mightybosstone
02-13-2014, 02:57 PM
I would compare him athletically with prime Kobe, but I'd still give Jordan an edge in that department. Combine Kobe's mid-range game, Iguodala's athleticism in his prime and Wade's ability to penetrate and score around the basket, and you'd have a pretty good idea of who Jordan was as a player.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 02:59 PM
I'm sure with they mystique of Jordan his vertical varies wildly on the telling.

But does it really matter once it's past 40", it's all in the "man should not be able to jump that high" stratosphere anyway...

exactly haha, not at 6'6". I have seen some freak 5'9" dudes that have that vert (think Nate Robinson), but at that height, 40" with that hand size is stupid. Hell, Vince Carter had a 36" vertical at the combine, and he might be the best dunker of all time.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 03:00 PM
the crazy thing about Mike was his hang time. Hersey Hawkins put it perfectly. If you were defending him, and went up with him when he shot to contest, he simply waited till you fell back to earth, and then released the jumper.

D-Leethal
02-13-2014, 03:09 PM
I'll get flamed for this but solely based on physical stature and athletic ability, Iman Shumpert. 6'5", 220lbs, 42" vertical. Jordan 6'6", 220lbs, 42" inch vertical. Both chiseled to ****.

mngopher35
02-13-2014, 03:11 PM
a mix of wade and kobe in their prime is what comes to mind

eugene
02-13-2014, 03:14 PM
Vince Carter I would say...

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 03:20 PM
I'll get flamed for this but solely based on physical stature and athletic ability, Iman Shumpert. 6'5", 220lbs, 42" vertical. Jordan 6'6", 220lbs, 42" inch vertical. Both chiseled to ****.

just a huge skill difference. What about hand size? Does Shump have big hands? Also, MJ was nowhere near 220 the first half of his career.

Chronz
02-13-2014, 03:21 PM
Nobody. Prime Kobe was the closest we got, only MJ was quicker with larger hands

Chronz
02-13-2014, 03:23 PM
I'll get flamed for this but solely based on physical stature and athletic ability, Iman Shumpert. 6'5", 220lbs, 42" vertical. Jordan 6'6", 220lbs, 42" inch vertical. Both chiseled to ****.

Didnt even think of that one. Similar wingspans as well right? Shump has better hair tho

D-Leethal
02-13-2014, 03:32 PM
From his profile

Iman Shumpert - Shumpert had some impressive measurements, including a 6'5.5 in sneakers. When compared to Darius Morris, another 6'5 PG, Shumpert outweighs him by 30 pounds and has extra 2 inches on his wingspan (6.9.5).

Most everything I read on MJ has him anywhere from 6'9 - 6'11 wing span. Can't really find anything about Shump's hand size, but given the way he plays and his ability to get deflections and steals out of nowhere I'd say they are pretty large.

D-Leethal
02-13-2014, 03:33 PM
just a huge skill difference. What about hand size? Does Shump have big hands? Also, MJ was nowhere near 220 the first half of his career.

True. Shump is definitely comparable to later career MJ where he was a physical beast strength wise. You can flame away on Shump's skill level, I'll be right there to flame with you, but if were talking strictly body type, measurements, athleticism, I can't think of a better comparison in the NBA right now.

Denver-boy
02-13-2014, 03:34 PM
:worthy: MJ goat

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 03:39 PM
From his profile

Iman Shumpert - Shumpert had some impressive measurements, including a 6'5.5 in sneakers. When compared to Darius Morris, another 6'5 PG, Shumpert outweighs him by 30 pounds and has extra 2 inches on his wingspan (6.9.5).

Most everything I read on MJ has him anywhere from 6'9 - 6'11 wing span. Can't really find anything about Shump's hand size, but given the way he plays and his ability to get deflections and steals out of nowhere I'd say they are pretty large.

Shump's hand length is 9". While they aren't MJ big at all, big enough to palm a ball. Hell mine are 7.5", and I can barely palm a ball. Jordan had to have had over 10", Dr. J a freaking foot (anyone who has been to the HOF and seen the handprint, where you can measure your hand to theirs knows what I am talking about).

TheNumber37
02-13-2014, 03:39 PM
HOPS LIKE Carter... Speed and quickness like Westbrook. Defense like 3 Tony allens

P&GRealist
02-13-2014, 03:45 PM
Kobe with bigger hands. Jordan jumped a little higher, but that was the athletic ability court wise. But Kobe can't even palm the ball I believe, and Jordan had massive hands. It allowed him to finish after contact MUCH better than Kobe.
Jordan was also built like a bull, literally. The guy was actually somewhat ripped.

dalton749
02-13-2014, 03:45 PM
today. ross maybe, he makes everything look so smooth but even still cant match the vertical

Chronz
02-13-2014, 03:46 PM
Yea MJ was like 6"10 wingspan, whatever Kobe has is the same IIRC

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 03:50 PM
Jordan was also built like a bull, literally. The guy was actually somewhat ripped.

later in his career, but he was around 205-210 the first half of his career. Not super skinny, but far from overpowering people with physicality.

Bookey
02-13-2014, 03:54 PM
Pull up some videos and check for yourself

abe_froman
02-13-2014, 03:59 PM
kobe ,well prime kobe

Bruno
02-13-2014, 04:08 PM
blend prime Kobe and Wade, make them both a bit stronger and give them two of the biggest hands in NBA history. thats MJ.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 04:11 PM
blend prime Kobe and Wade, make them both a bit stronger and give them two of the biggest hands in NBA history. thats MJ.

Dr J's hands were bigger than MJ's. But that is like debating who is hotter between Kate Upton and Mila Kunis. There is no wrong answer.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-13-2014, 04:14 PM
Not a single player comes to mind that matches his vertical + hangtime. Was just insane to watch.

PhillyPhanatic
02-13-2014, 04:22 PM
He was a pretty stocky size for a shooting guard. Definitely had what it took to play in the paint with the big guys.

nyballa1991
02-13-2014, 04:31 PM
True. Shump is definitely comparable to later career MJ where he was a physical beast strength wise. You can flame away on Shump's skill level, I'll be right there to flame with you, but if were talking strictly body type, measurements, athleticism, I can't think of a better comparison in the NBA right now.


Jordan would run circles around shump (lateral quickness and stride)
I think you really cant compare him to anyone, in a league of his own, kind of like lebron.

chrislu31
02-13-2014, 04:51 PM
Gerald Green.

Got to see him play Net's last year in Jersey, was honestly the first person that came to mind when I saw this thread. Obviously talent-wise nowhere close, but very similar athletically.

Stunner
02-13-2014, 04:59 PM
Not a single player comes to mind that matches his vertical + hangtime. Was just insane to watch.

Gerald Greens hang time is close

smiddy012
02-13-2014, 05:26 PM
Durant. They both are pretty athletic and both have that killer instinct

I'm sorry, but this is such a terrible answer. Prime MJ would run circles around Durant, he was that much quicker and faster. Nothing against Durant.


Think of Kobe Bryant except Michael Jordan's fadeaway was untouchable. Nobody has had a mid game like Michael Jordan. His mid game was unbelievable to watch. He had Dwades ability to drive to the rim and finish but he went against Hall of Fame Centers....he was just a freak.

Prime MJ was more athletic than prime Kobe. And he was better at the rim than Wade.


Westbrook with bigger hands

A taller, more agile version of Westbrook might be the best answer. Not too sure MJ was stronger though, they're both built like bulls, and can absolutely destroy the rim.


And ultimately what made MJ so good, from a physical perspective, was his unreal hand-eye coordination and balance. He was so deliberate, so efficient, with his movements. His mechanics were flawless.

denverfan66
02-13-2014, 05:33 PM
This guy was before MJ's time, but David Thompson supposedly had a 46"-50" vertical, set the Guinness World Record for vertical, and could get a coin off the top of the backboard. Jordan also idolized Thompson growing up and I believe they had similar body types.

slashsnake
02-13-2014, 07:30 PM
physically, maybe a slightly leaner JR Smith. JR has pretty freaky athleticism there.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 07:37 PM
This guy was before MJ's time, but David Thompson supposedly had a 46"-50" vertical, set the Guinness World Record for vertical, and could get a coin off the top of the backboard. Jordan also idolized Thompson growing up and I believe they had similar body types.

yeah, Thompson didn't have the lateral quickness or body control of Jordan though, but they did share similar build and vertical.

Honestly, really no player I can think of represents Mike's athletic ability. LeBron is just as athletic, but in a totally different way. Wilt was as well.

blahblahyoutoo
02-13-2014, 07:55 PM
MJ's athletic ability was probably a mix of pre-injury Derrick Rose, prime Dwyane Wade, and prime Kobe but with insane hang time.

really? so gravity has a different set of laws for jordan?
so in a vacuum, if jordan and i jumped the same height, i would touch the floor first and he just floats in the air?

b@llhog24
02-13-2014, 08:08 PM
Kobe with bigger hands. Jordan jumped a little higher, but that was the athletic ability court wise. But Kobe can't even palm the ball I believe, and Jordan had massive hands. It allowed him to finish after contact MUCH better than Kobe.

MJ was quicker too.

b@llhog24
02-13-2014, 08:11 PM
Dr J's hands were bigger than MJ's. But that is like debating who is hotter between Kate Upton and Mila Kunis. There is no wrong answer.

There is if you pick Mila Kunis.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2014, 08:31 PM
There is if you pick Mila Kunis.

you get what I am saying...

NYJ - NYY
02-13-2014, 09:04 PM
Pull up some videos and check for yourself

Dick of the thread

3RDASYSTEM
02-13-2014, 09:08 PM
MJ was more athletic than Kobe. MJ had a 46'' vertical. In terms of hops, think Vince Carter.

Similar size, leap and relatively similar speed although Mike was quicker

Obviously as players, no comparison can be made...but physically a decent match

Its not even close in terms of actual natural physical-athletic ability, not even close, I could post a video of JORDAN smashing the backboard with a one handed dunk taking off from the dots, the skinny come fly with me version

Think more so a 6'4'' version of IVERSON, JORDAN had cat quickness and speed that was unmatched except for maybe a DREXLER/BARKLEY/ZEKE in that 80's era

bean Bryant mimicked him the best because of his height and his fanatical obsession with JORDAN to emulate all of his moves/walk/talk

Bruno
02-13-2014, 09:23 PM
Its not even close in terms of actual natural physical-athletic ability, not even close, I could post a video of JORDAN smashing the backboard with a one handed dunk taking off from the dots, the skinny come fly with me version

Think more so a 6'4'' version of IVERSON, JORDAN had cat quickness and speed that was unmatched except for maybe a DREXLER/BARKLEY/ZEKE in that 80's era

bean Bryant mimicked him the best because of his height and his fanatical obsession with JORDAN to emulate all of his moves/walk/talk
there it is.

D-Leethal
02-13-2014, 10:38 PM
A 6'6" Rondo sounds pretty good.

JEDean89
02-14-2014, 01:08 AM
get ready for dante exum too folks, 6'6" hyper athletic, super quick... won't be jordan but will be really, really good, maybe a 6' 6" tmac

TorontoHuskies
02-14-2014, 01:13 AM
Wiggins next year

NYSpirit1
02-14-2014, 01:16 AM
There will never be another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAr6oAKieHk

TorontoHuskies
02-14-2014, 01:17 AM
There is if you pick Mila Kunis.

Depends what the question is, is it which one you want as a GF or which one you'd want to **** for 1 night? If it's the first I take Kunis because she's way cooler and Upton seems like a ******, but if it's the second i'd take Upton cause she's hotter

TorontoHuskies
02-14-2014, 01:19 AM
There will never be another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAr6oAKieHk

This video convinces me that the NBA should ban the zone again

NYSpirit1
02-14-2014, 01:32 AM
There will never be another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAr6oAKieHk

This video in a nutshell just reiterates what a storybook career Jordan had in every possible way. No other sports figure will ever be able to duplicate it.

His rise to stardom, his struggles, his athletic prowess and impact he had on the game globally. He was the pioneer to athletes getting endorsements and commercials. His first three peat. His father's death. His return and three more. A game winner to beat Utah in his sixth title.

The tongue, his shoulder shrug, switching hands in mid air, the double fist pump in Cleveland. All iconic plays.

I've never seen such a thing in sports and there will always be a myth/legend about Jordan.

He was unquestionably the greatest sports player ever. He had the greatest drive and passion for the game. He was so incredibly clutch.

All the facts above make it a joke to compare LeBron to him, because it's impossible to reach Jordan's level.

nastynice
02-14-2014, 02:49 AM
There's really no one like jordan right now. They called him "air" jordan for a reason. Dude's hangtime was just ridiculous. He would drive the basket and change shots mid air so effortlessly.

I know this may sound kinda random, but actually I kinda see that same kinda hang time in Kyrie Irving. He seems to just float there and has amazing body control while mid air. And also like jordan, when he drives its like from the moment he leaves his feet to the moment he lands on the court, he can put up a shot/layup. Whereas most players shoot at the peak of their jump.

nastynice
02-14-2014, 03:00 AM
Think of Kobe Bryant except Michael Jordan's fadeaway was untouchable. Nobody has had a mid game like Michael Jordan. His mid game was unbelievable to watch. He had Dwades ability to drive to the rim and finish but he went against Hall of Fame Centers....he was just a freak.

Yea, the 90's was a golden era for centers. It was way crazier in the paint. Teams would even have straight enforcers roaming that area. It just made it that much sicker to see him go in and get to the rim the way he did.

numba1CHANGsta
02-14-2014, 03:02 AM
Jordan and Phil Jackson have already said that Kobe is the most similar player to MJ

LeBron/Durant/Melo are true forwards not G/F

LeBron is more similar to the Big O

Hawkeye15
02-14-2014, 04:14 AM
This video convinces me that the NBA should ban the zone again

I literally do not see how anyone can make a case against MJ as the GOAT. Watching that video, and I HATE highlight videos, just reminds me how much better he was than anyone who played.

tredigs
02-14-2014, 04:27 AM
I literally do not see how anyone can make a case against MJ as the GOAT. Watching that video, and I HATE highlight videos, just reminds me how much better he was than anyone who played.

Like I've talked about with you before - he was able to create that feeling that I've never had since of KNOWING that he was about to flip his switch and take over the game. Not to bag on LBJ, but do you think for a second Jordan would've just let Durant outgun him when they were going back 'n forth that last game? Never in a million ****ing years would he let KD get the last laugh in a sequence like that.

That's not revisionist history or waxing nostalgic, it's just the mentality he had to dominate at all costs and never be shown up. Would he lose a challenge or a playoff series? Of course. But almost always to a better team and he's probably going to drop 40/7/7 when it happens.

Hawkeye15
02-14-2014, 04:34 AM
Like I've talked about with you before - he was able to create that feeling that I've never had since of KNOWING that he was about to flip his switch and take over the game. Not to bag on LBJ, but do you think for a second Jordan would've just let Durant outgun him when they were going back 'n forth that last game? Never in a million ****ing years would he let KD get the last laugh in a sequence like that.

That's not revisionist history or waxing nostalgic, it's just the mentality he had to dominate at all costs and never be shown up. Would he lose a challenge or a playoff series? Of course. But almost always to a better team and he's probably going to drop 40/7/7 when it happens.

part of my, and most likely your, infatuation with MJ, is he was what we grew up on. Thank god.

But to say his game was perfect isn't right. I have no idea if LeBron, or anyone, would stir up the sense of nostalgia MJ did. For the time being, and the future, I can't see anyone on MJ's level.

Question-- Did MJ EVER play against someone as good as KD when he hit his dominant years? Think about it.....

Kevj77
02-14-2014, 04:34 AM
Think of athletic ability like Kobe, but built bulkier like Wade with an untouchable fade away.

jerellh528
02-14-2014, 04:36 AM
Jordan was more athletic than Kobe ever was. He was like Kobe if Kobe took roids.

tredigs
02-14-2014, 04:43 AM
part of my, and most likely your, infatuation with MJ, is he was what we grew up on. Thank god.

But to say his game was perfect isn't right. I have no idea if LeBron, or anyone, would stir up the sense of nostalgia MJ did. For the time being, and the future, I can't see anyone on MJ's level.

Question-- Did MJ EVER play against someone as good as KD when he hit his dominant years? Think about it.....

Nobody's perfect, and the growing up factor is true, but even going back and rewatching entire old Jordan games nowadays, I can still tell when he's about to flip it (without having any clue which game exactly I'm watching), and he never seems to disappoint.

But as far as KD, you mean h2h? I mean he got to go toe to toe against prime Magic and Bird when he was younger (and already amazingly dominant - just without the cast and refined game that he'd later learn), and he dropped what - 38/6/6 with insane D when he had to play against that GOAT Celtics team in the playoffs?

Later on he played against teams with all the great bigs, but yeah - nobody like Lebron/KD/Bird/Magic from a guard/wing standpoint.

@the topic of this post - the other thing with MJ other than his athletic ability was his absurdly large hands. Big advantage to be able to pump fake-pass a defender away 1 handed on the perimeter.

tredigs
02-14-2014, 06:04 AM
Thinking on this a bit more I think it boils down to this - I'm not sure Michael has ever once indicated to me that he has been intimidated on a basketball court before, and I actually don't know that he had a mind state where that type of thought process was a possibility. Which, if you're a normal human with a standard thought process doesn't really make sense.

I realize that that can come off as completely jocking the guy and somewhat absurd to those who don't get what I'm saying, but I don't mean it that way. I actually think that is the truth and - more than his athleticism or physical gifts - that was the crux of why he was who he was. I don't believe he's the only one to come through the league who has or will have that mind state, but I do think he was the most gifted athlete along with the hardest working athlete to have it - which ultimately is why he is the GOAT to me.

Munkeysuit
02-14-2014, 06:37 AM
Athletically? idk thats a hard one, I'm tempted to say Gerald Green but Green has a higher vertical...Kobe in his prime was pretty damn close...but today? shoot, thats a tough one, Paul George?

Miltstar
02-14-2014, 08:46 AM
How has no one said LBJ??? its the obvious answer although MJ was a tad smaller, but quicker and had way more heart

Dade County
02-14-2014, 09:10 AM
Athletically? idk thats a hard one, I'm tempted to say Gerald Green but Green has a higher vertical...Kobe in his prime was pretty damn close...but today? shoot, thats a tough one, Paul George?

:laugh2:

letsgoo
02-14-2014, 11:37 AM
Russell Westbrook is the closest thing athletically to Jordan.

letsgoo
02-14-2014, 11:39 AM
Jordan was shorter than his listed height of 6'6" btw.

I don't know if you guys realize this, but Jordan was the most athletic and graceful player ever seen.

He was so quick laterally that it looked like he could run sideways.

Jordan would be dribbling sideways to the basket with a man guarding him. Then rise up for the jumper and wait for them to come down before he released his shot.

I want everybody to think about that. How completely insane that is. THINK ABOUT THAT.

sosa
02-14-2014, 01:41 PM
If you look at body type and explosiveness then for me it's Victor Oladipo. That's not to say Oladipo is anywhere near Jordan in skill level, he's more Dwayne Wade lite.

ThuglifeJ
02-14-2014, 01:49 PM
Some of these answers..smh. are a bunch of young gunz starting to flood the forums?(15-19?)

Kobe with a touch of Wade and Carter would make a Jordan to me. Athletically, aesthetically, and skillwise


Current age? Honestly no one. Maybe Derozan or someone like that. Athletically.

Jamiecballer
02-14-2014, 02:36 PM
to me, Vince Carter and Dwyane Wade.

MTar786
02-14-2014, 04:23 PM
lol the jordan myths go from 48 vert to posters from the early 90's claiming 42.. make up your mind guys.. btw
I heard jordan once saved a princess from a dragon and let a bulls fan take credit for it.. his name was mario. i don't know how accurate my story is tho so don't quote me

b@llhog24
02-14-2014, 04:37 PM
A 6'6" Rondo sounds pretty good.

Rondo is nowhere close the finisher that MJ was.


Depends what the question is, is it which one you want as a GF or which one you'd want to **** for 1 night? If it's the first I take Kunis because she's way cooler and Upton seems like a ******, but if it's the second i'd take Upton cause she's hotter

Meant the latter but I agree with everything here.

TorontoHuskies
02-14-2014, 04:47 PM
What about Jason Richardson

KingstonHawke
02-16-2014, 10:23 AM
I had a poster on my wall as a kid, it said MJ had a 42" vertical. I mean, at 6'6", with those hands, that is ridiculous though.

That's more accurate. All that 48 talk is nonsense. Jordan is a way better player than Carter, but he couldn't out jump him. All you have to do is watch his dunk contest to see what his hops were at their maximum. Jordan got very strong after he came back from his injured season. He went from having a Kobe build to being more like Iguadala. Also, he had very large hands.

Jordan was by no means the most athletic wing to ever play. It just seemed like it because the league as a whole wasn't nearly as athletic as it is now. But that's just the natural evolution of all sports. Back then a JR Smith could've gotten by on his talent alone. Now, you have super athletes everywhere.

Hate to get off topic, but I wonder if Magic could defend the point in today's league. He seems way too slow to stay in front of someone like Westbrook or Rose. I think he'd make a great point-forward though.

letsgoo
02-16-2014, 11:57 AM
That's more accurate. All that 48 talk is nonsense. Jordan is a way better player than Carter, but he couldn't out jump him. All you have to do is watch his dunk contest to see what his hops were at their maximum. Jordan got very strong after he came back from his injured season. He went from having a Kobe build to being more like Iguadala. Also, he had very large hands.

Jordan was by no means the most athletic wing to ever play. It just seemed like it because the league as a whole wasn't nearly as athletic as it is now. But that's just the natural evolution of all sports. Back then a JR Smith could've gotten by on his talent alone. Now, you have super athletes everywhere.

Hate to get off topic, but I wonder if Magic could defend the point in today's league. He seems way too slow to stay in front of someone like Westbrook or Rose. I think he'd make a great point-forward though.

1. Carter's Vertical was below 40"

2. Jordan had a considerably higher vertical than Carter.

3. The vertical is heavily overrated when talking about athleticism. It just one part of basketball athleticism.

4. Jordan's listed height of 6'6" was not his actual height.

5. Jordan is the most athletic wing I've ever seen. Definitely more athletic than anybody currently playing.

Miltstar
02-20-2014, 08:37 PM
1. Carter's Vertical was below 40"

ummmm wtf were u smoking when u wrote this?

Teeboy1487
02-20-2014, 08:43 PM
I have to say Shannon Brown is a good comparison imo. Only athletically of course. Definitely not talent. Don't kill me. Both quick, huge verticals, and huge hands. Michael was taller and far far far far better.

Chicaaago
02-20-2014, 09:55 PM
the crazy thing about Mike was his hang time. Hersey Hawkins put it perfectly. If you were defending him, and went up with him when he shot to contest, he simply waited till you fell back to earth, and then released the jumper.

Absolutely, right. For the young fans that never saw him play except what they've seen on film...they've at least undoubtedly seen the game winner over Ehlo a thousand times...That man almost could have jumped twice before Jordan released the shot.

I'm not sure if there is a player today that combines the explosiveness and grace that Jordan possessed in his prime. He was a bit of 'Nique and part Dr. J...but as has been mentioned his hands made finishing around the rim a lot easier. Again his grace and fluidity while driving to he hoop was something to see. I mean later on in his career he was incorporating Olajuwon moves and adding his own touch in the post. Frankly, I think Jordan is the best athlete in NBA history. There are a few that can make the case for being right there with him though. LeBron is probably the closest today, but he uses his strength more than anything when penetrating although we know he has the athleticism to rely on hi handles and quickness too. He definitely has Jordan on pure strength and power. LeBron can bully his way through five defenders. We can never know, but I doubt even with hand checking that teams could keep James outside the paint for very long.

Chicaaago
02-20-2014, 10:12 PM
As a side note, anyone claiming today's NBA has way more athleticism should note that rule changes and the disappearance of actual dominant 7'0 centers roaming the paint have freed up guard/wing play. There's more room to roam. If you know you can get by your man on the perimeter unmolested or get to the rim most occasions or at least will likely get a whistle of course you'll take a chance and go full tilt instead of moving the ball around or making an extra pass to get an open shot. The NBA game has shifted significantly to an ISO style of play since the 80's.

Also Nate Robinson or Spud Webb?
The level of athleticism in the NBA has increased, but not that much.

slashsnake
02-22-2014, 07:47 AM
Not sure about Jordan not really being 6'6".

I know I've heard Kobe is taller than Jordan when they stand side by side, but I have seen Barkley standing beside Jordan and Jordan had him by an inch easy. I don't buy Barkley being 6'3"...

Funny height story. I am 6'2". In college I used to always go to the heat practices since they were held in our gym. After one, Voshon Lenard was walking out. He's listed at 6'4". I look at him and I have him by 1-2 inches easy and asked him how tall he really is. He got pretty upset at that one for a little bit.

tredigs
02-22-2014, 10:29 AM
ummmm wtf were u smoking when u wrote this?

Everything he wrote is correct, including that.

ChiTownPacerFan
02-22-2014, 11:42 AM
Demar Derozan???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HPvkBGtHPc

Snakeyestx
02-22-2014, 12:06 PM
Victor Oladipo ... easily.

Watch his college video's and you'll see exactly how similar they are.

KniCks4LiFe
02-22-2014, 12:52 PM
eversince Vitale said it and me look at tapes Oladipo.

same power, same footwork, work ethic, dribble in and out move.

BullySixChicago
02-22-2014, 07:57 PM
Since you did not see MJ I understand what you are trying to find out Just look at Kobe and imagine him as faster, jumping higher, staying in the air longer and having the ability to score on anybody at will much better than Kobe. Furthermore on defense he closed down every 2 guard who guarded him. Last go to youtube and watch some of the tapes they have on him

BullySixChicago
02-22-2014, 08:01 PM
To even suggest that Oladipo is any where near MJ in same power, same footwork, work ethic, dribble in and out I have to ask you are you putting anything in your water? Their is nothing about Oladipo that reminds anyone of MJ. Other than being black that is about the only thing that Oladipo has with MJ.