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jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 07:06 PM
EAST:

John Wall
DeMar DeRozan
Joe Johnson
Paul Millsap
Chris Bosh
Joakim Noah
Roy Hibbert


WEST:

Tony Parker
James Harden
Chris Paul
Damian Lillard
Dirk Nowitzki
LaMarcus Aldridge
Dwight Howard


SNUBS:

Kyle Lowry
Goran Dragic
Lance Stephenson
David Lee
Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
DeMarcus Cousins


More to be added soon...

PacersForLife
01-30-2014, 07:08 PM
Aldridge is also in.

jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 07:12 PM
Lance Stephenson is NOT an All-Star. We have our first snub. He balled out against the Lakers, I really like him.

black1605
01-30-2014, 07:19 PM
Lance Stephenson is NOT an All-Star. We have our first snub. He balled out against the Lakers, I really like him.

Big snub. Dude's a baller.

jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 07:21 PM
I guess since Hibbert made it and George is a starter. Maybe Stephenson just doesn't have the pedigree. Still sad, thought he deserved it.

black1605
01-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Noah in.

detzfish
01-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Noah made it

Stunner
01-30-2014, 07:25 PM
Noah's in

NYSpirit1
01-30-2014, 07:26 PM
I guess since Hibbert made it and George is a starter. Maybe Stephenson just doesn't have the pedigree. Still sad, thought he deserved it.

In what world is 11.8 PPG and 7.8 RPG from Hibbert an All-Star? Wow. The NBA has really dropped their standards. Roy Hibbert, 7'2, is averaging 1.2 RPG less than Carmelo Anthony, 6'8. The same guy Hibbert blocked in Game 6 of last year's semifinals. :facepalm:

Stephenson was much more deserving with an overall rounded game.

black1605
01-30-2014, 07:27 PM
In what world is 11.8 PPG and 7.8 RPG from Hibbert an All-Star? Wow. The NBA has really dropped their standards.

Stephenson was much more deserving with an overall rounded game.

Hibbert is one of the best defensive players in the game.

detzfish
01-30-2014, 07:28 PM
John wall

black1605
01-30-2014, 07:38 PM
Derozen in, Lowry out.

black1605
01-30-2014, 07:39 PM
Dirk in, Timmy out.

jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 07:42 PM
Tim Duncan is NOT an All-Star!! Crazyness!

NYSpirit1
01-30-2014, 07:42 PM
Hibbert is one of the best defensive players in the game.

But the All-Star game isn't about having a defensive impact on the game. If that was the case, Tyson Chandler would have 5 All-Star appearances, not one.

douglas
01-30-2014, 08:00 PM
Goran Dragic didn't make it!! I am angry!! Screw everything!!

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:02 PM
Lowry got ****ed. Once again style over substance with Wall making it. They really need to take the selection out of the coaches hands.

jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 08:03 PM
No Anthony Davis is the MOST ridiculous decision yet...

AllDay28
01-30-2014, 08:07 PM
I'm cool with Aldridge and Lilliard

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:07 PM
I had a feeling Parker would rob Dragic. No one can make a valid case for Parker over Dragic besides his teams record. The Spurs are better overall than the Suns, they have better players.

But Dragic had a better year no matter how you look at it.

Parker undeserving!

jsthornton7
01-30-2014, 08:07 PM
The EAST is so bad they should just let the West's All-Star snubs play for them. DeRozan, Joe Johnson, Hibbert, Noah, Millsap are All-Stars. Meanwhile Anthony Davis, Tim Duncan, and DeMarcus Cousins are not.

douglas
01-30-2014, 08:09 PM
Lowry got ****ed. Once again style over substance with Wall making it. They really need to take the selection out of the coaches hands.

Agreed!! I should select the reserves from now on!!

Nick O
01-30-2014, 08:09 PM
god,,, noah is an all star and lowry isnt... insanity

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:09 PM
Agreed

Not to nick. About dragic.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:11 PM
Get rid of the whole west/east thing. Just pick the best players

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:11 PM
I had a feeling Parker would rob Dragic. No one can make a valid case for Parker over Dragic besides his teams record. The Spurs are better overall than the Suns, they have better players.

But Dragic had a better year no matter how you look at it.

Parker undeserving!

Same *** was said last year. 30 seconds away from a finals mvp. Dude is the best point guard in the nba. We should take a vote on who is better between dragic or parker. NVM we don't. Everyone knows.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:11 PM
What a complete joke. Dragic and Davis both robbed. How those two dont make it I have no idea. Take out Parker and Dirk. What a load of bull ****

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:12 PM
Same *** was said last year. 30 seconds away from a finals mvp. Dude is the best point guard in the nba. We should take a vote on who is better between dragic or parker. NVM we don't. Everyone knows.

Dragic has had a better year though.

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:12 PM
Same *** was said last year. 30 seconds away from a finals mvp. Dude is the best point guard in the nba. We should take a vote on who is better between dragic or parker. NVM we don't. Everyone knows.

It should be about who has performed best that year and that is Dragic.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:13 PM
What a complete joke. Dragic and Davis both robbed. How those two dont make it I have no idea. Take out Parker and Dirk. What a load of bull ****

Dragic and Davis are not better than Tony "FU...king" Parker.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:13 PM
What a complete joke. Dragic and Davis both robbed. How those two dont make it I have no idea. Take out Parker and Dirk. What a load of bull ****

Both got it on reputation

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:14 PM
It should be about who has performed best that year and that is Dragic.

Did you not hear yesterday? PARKER WADE AND MARCO are the only guards shooting over 50%. Parker is just better than dragic.

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:14 PM
Same *** was said last year. 30 seconds away from a finals mvp. Dude is the best point guard in the nba. We should take a vote on who is better between dragic or parker. NVM we don't. Everyone knows.

I don't care who everyone thinks is better, it should be about substance not style...

Dragic has better stats, and he's working with worse players around him.

Parker got in because of reputation.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:15 PM
Same *** was said last year. 30 seconds away from a finals mvp. Dude is the best point guard in the nba. We should take a vote on who is better between dragic or parker. NVM we don't. Everyone knows.

Its not a contest over whos been the better guard over the last 5 years coz your right that would be Parker but it's not it's for this seasons all star game. The better player this season should be there and thats Dragic.

Slug3
01-30-2014, 08:15 PM
Dragic has had a better year though.

Why? Because he is averaging one more point than Parker?

Cubby
01-30-2014, 08:16 PM
god,,, noah is an all star and lowry isnt... insanity

:laugh2:

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:16 PM
I don't care who everyone thinks is better, it should be about substance not style...

Dragic has better stats, and he's working with worse players around him.

Parker got in because of reputation.

Leader of the 2nd best team in the west got in by reputation? What a joke.

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:18 PM
Let's compare the numbers.

Dragic:

19.7 ppg, 50%
6.1 ast.
3.4 rb
1.4 Stl

PER: 21.8
WS: 5.8
WS/48: 0.198

Parker:

18.1 ppg on 51%
6.2 ast.
2.4 rb
0.5 stl

PER: 20.1
WS: 4.4
WS/48: 0.159


Dragic clearly had the better year with the better numbers... Parker got in by reputation no matter how you look at it. You can't make a valid case for Parker besides that the Spurs are doing better than the Suns (which should have been expected).

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:18 PM
Did you not hear yesterday? PARKER WADE AND MARCO are the only guards shooting over 50%. Parker is just better than dragic.

Goran Dragic, LeBron James and Kevin Durant are the only three players in the NBA this season to be averaging at least 19 points and 5 assists while shooting at least .480 FG%.

In the 16 full seasons dating back to 1997-98, there have been just 23 times a player has posted these minimums over the course of an entire season; in all 23 instances, the player doing so played in the All-Star Game that season.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:19 PM
No problem with parker getting in. you guys are funny trying to say hes not deserving.

who here forgets how pops reserves his star players ? tony parker doesnt play 40 mins a game..

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:20 PM
Why? Because he is averaging one more point than Parker?

No look at advanced stats.

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:20 PM
Did you not hear yesterday? PARKER WADE AND MARCO are the only guards shooting over 50%. Parker is just better than dragic.

Oh wow what an arbitrary and completely meaningless on its own stat!!!

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:20 PM
No problem with parker getting in. you guys are funny trying to say hes not deserving.

who here forgets how pops reserves his star players ? tony parker doesnt play 40 mins a game..

Dragic playys 40 mins a night:rolleyes:

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:21 PM
I change my mind. I think Lowry deserves it more than Derozan.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:21 PM
Goran Dragic, LeBron James and Kevin Durant are the only three players in the NBA this season to be averaging at least 19 points and 5 assists while shooting at least .480 FG%.

In the 16 full seasons dating back to 1997-98, there have been just 23 times a player has posted these minimums over the course of an entire season; in all 23 instances, the player doing so played in the All-Star Game that season.

end of they day they look at the team with the better record. tony parker is currently the best player on the spurs, and honestly pops rests him alot. I know he is on my fantasy team and i wish he got more mins on a consistent basis.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:21 PM
Oh wow what an arbitrary and completely meaningless on its own stat!!!

i know right, even so Dragic is at 49.5%

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:21 PM
Let's compare the numbers.

Dragic:

19.7 ppg, 50%
6.1 ast.
3.4 rb
1.4 Stl

PER: 21.8
WS: 5.8
WS/48: 0.198

Parker:

18.1 ppg on 51%
6.2 ast.
2.4 rb
0.5 stl

PER: 20.1
WS: 4.4
WS/48: 0.159


Dragic clearly had the better year with the better numbers... Parker got in by reputation.

I guess you don't understand the Spurs don't try in the regular season. Check the playoffs to see how great TP is.

mavwar53
01-30-2014, 08:22 PM
Joe Johnson should be out Stephenson in terrible

black1605
01-30-2014, 08:22 PM
Al Jefferson has the highest PER of any healthy PF or Center in the East, has averaged 19.3 and 10.5 on the season, and has put up 27 and 12 over the last ten games. That said, I'm not surprised he didn't make the squad.

bucketss
01-30-2014, 08:23 PM
no respect for lowry :pity:

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:23 PM
Dragic playys 40 mins a night:rolleyes:

I think dragic is deserving also. but you cant say its a joke that parker got it over him. you act like he is the clear cut better player. he isnt.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:24 PM
Al Jefferson has the highest PER of any healthy PF or Center in the East, has averaged 19.3 and 10.5 on the season, and has put up 27 and 12 over the last ten games. That said, I'm not surprised he didn't make the squad.

It's because the guy came from the west. They can't have 2 guys make the east allstar that came from the low seed utah.

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:25 PM
Lowry got ****ed. Once again style over substance with Wall making it. They really need to take the selection out of the coaches hands.

:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

Let me know how you feel about Lowry when hes on another team next year.

:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:26 PM
:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

Let me know how you feel about Lowry when hes on another team next year.

:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

lowry is def more deserving this year than wall, and thats not the homer in me talking.

BallIsAll
01-30-2014, 08:27 PM
Ty Lawson the leagues 3rd leading assist man gets snubbed..

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:27 PM
The biggest joke is a guy with 7.0 win shares midway through the season not making it.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:27 PM
end of they day they look at the team with the better record. tony parker is currently the best player on the spurs, and honestly pops rests him alot. I know he is on my fantasy team and i wish he got more mins on a consistent basis.

I get what your saying about the team with the better record, but look at the help that Parker has around him. Don't get me wrong, Parker is an amazing player. But Dragic has been playing out of his mind, he's carried a team that was predicted to be dead last to 6th in a stacked west.

JordansBulls
01-30-2014, 08:27 PM
Anthony Davis not making it is a crime.

douglas
01-30-2014, 08:28 PM
Goran Dragic not making the team is GOBBLEDY GOOK

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:29 PM
The second biggest is Wall with terrible efficiency and an assload of turnovers making it. Its debatable whether he even has a positive impact on his teams offense.

black1605
01-30-2014, 08:29 PM
Anthony Davis not making it is a crime.

He will get Kobe's spot.

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:29 PM
lowry is def more deserving this year than wall, and thats not the homer in me talking.

Thats because you watch Lowry all the time. The Raps fan base also thought Jose Calderon deserved to make the AS team the year Ford got knocked in the face by Horford. If you look at this first half, Wall has been the best PG in the East. I'm not saying Lowry isn't in the discussion, but hes only really picked up a few weeks after the Gay trade. If we only use that sample size then Lowry should be an AS starter.

bucketss
01-30-2014, 08:30 PM
:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

Let me know how you feel about Lowry when hes on another team next year.

:laugh:

:laugh:

:laugh:

not a lot of teams that need a pg, plus we can offer him the most money, i like our chances.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:30 PM
He will get Kobe's spot.

Most deff. Dwight probably moves to start or something.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:30 PM
I think dragic is deserving also. but you cant say its a joke that parker got it over him. you act like he is the clear cut better player. he isnt.

I didnt say it was a joke, but he was snubbed. Dragic is having a better year. Parker is also having a good year just not quite as good as Dragic. He got in on reputation.

Pierre The Poet
01-30-2014, 08:31 PM
The NBA is really falling off, this is worst group of all stars i've seen in a while

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:32 PM
Only idiots would think Lowry deserves it over Wall. Lowry is aight, but he'll be a career journeyman.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:32 PM
I get what your saying about the team with the better record, but look at the help that Parker has around him. Don't get me wrong, Parker is an amazing player. But Dragic has been playing out of his mind, he's carried a team that was predicted to be dead last to 6th in a stacked west.

I think if bledso was healthy, either he or dragic would have got in simply due to the fact that the suns were on fire when he was playing.. and theres no reason to think they still wouldnt be with the emergence of tucker, the morris brothers, and plumblee.

I do think dragic deserves to get in. alot of players got snubbed this year. but its the all star game. . they want viewers and "names" attract the average fan.

Im just happy derozan got in..

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:33 PM
Only idiots would think Lowry deserves it over Wall. Lowry is aight, but he'll be a career journeyman.

Then i must be the biggest idiot there is. lowry has been a beast this year.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:34 PM
I didnt say it was a joke, but he was snubbed. Dragic is having a better year. Parker is also having a good year just not quite as good as Dragic. He got in on reputation.

Reputation? Guy was in the Finals and won FIBA gold this summer. Guy is a leader and winner. 10 times better than dragic. I'm sure anyone if had the chance would pick tony over dragic all day.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:35 PM
i know right, even so Dragic is at 49.5%

Dragic is actually at .499 FG%

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:36 PM
Then i must be the biggest idiot there is. lowry has been a beast this year.

yeah you would fall under the homer category. all 2014, sure I will give you that. Don't blame me, if I had it my way Lowry would be in there and Irving would be out.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:36 PM
I didnt say it was a joke, but he was snubbed. Dragic is having a better year. Parker is also having a good year just not quite as good as Dragic. He got in on reputation.

"names" attract the average fan. the all star game selections have always been a joke anyway. even the starting line ups with fans voting in players that havent even played all season.

but I do agree that dragic would be considered a snub. he's been balling.

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:37 PM
Reputation? Guy was in the Finals and won FIBA gold this summer. Guy is a leader and winner. 10 times better than dragic. I'm sure anyone if had the chance would pick tony over dragic all day.

Yes. That is exactly what is meant by reputation.

bucketss
01-30-2014, 08:37 PM
Only idiots would think Lowry deserves it over Wall. Lowry is aight, but he'll be a career journeyman.

thanks for the unbiased post JOHNWALLS ERA

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:38 PM
Reputation? Guy was in the Finals and won FIBA gold this summer. Guy is a leader and winner. 10 times better than dragic. I'm sure anyone if had the chance would pick tony over dragic all day.

Yeah, he is 10 times better than Dragic, is just that Dragic has better numbers.........

Your just proving my point by listing what he has accomplished, reputation

John Walls Era
01-30-2014, 08:39 PM
thanks for the unbiased post JOHNWALLS ERA

find me some non raptors homers first. i dont wanna waste my time until you do that.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:39 PM
yeah you would fall under the homer category. all 2014, sure I will give you that. Don't blame me, if I had it my way Lowry would be in there and Irving would be out.

the guy with the name "johnwallsera" is debating that wall deserved it more than lowry and is calling me the homer :laugh:

I actually think lowry deserved it more than derozan, but just happy one of them got it.

and I agree about irving brotha.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:39 PM
I think if bledso was healthy, either he or dragic would have got in simply due to the fact that the suns were on fire when he was playing.. and theres no reason to think they still wouldnt be with the emergence of tucker, the morris brothers, and plumblee.

I do think dragic deserves to get in. alot of players got snubbed this year. but its the all star game. . they want viewers and "names" attract the average fan.

Im just happy derozan got in..

To true mate. Its a shame though. Still cut on Plumlee missing out on the Rising Stars too.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:40 PM
find me some non raptors homers first. i dont wanna waste my time until you do that.

I thought you were a raptor fan? whats the beef any way :confused:

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:40 PM
And how Dirk got in before Davis is even more mind baffling.

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:40 PM
Only idiots would think Lowry deserves it over Wall. Lowry is aight, but he'll be a career journeyman.
And Wall has been driving one of the leagues worst offenses all season. Good point.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:41 PM
Yeah, he is 10 times better than Dragic, is just that Dragic has better numbers.........

Your just proving my point by listing what he has accomplished, reputation

Good thing Allstar reserves are picked by coaches. They know Tony Parker=GOD.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:42 PM
To true mate. Its a shame though. Still cut on Plumlee missing out on the Rising Stars too.

who made it over him ?

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 08:43 PM
the guy with the name "johnwallsera" is debating that wall deserved it more than lowry and is calling me the homer :laugh:

I actually think lowry deserved it more than derozan, but just happy one of them got it.

and I agree about irving brotha.

Funny thing is that Irving doesn't deserve it for much the same reasons.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:43 PM
Reputation? Guy was in the Finals and won FIBA gold this summer. Guy is a leader and winner. 10 times better than dragic. I'm sure anyone if had the chance would pick tony over dragic all day.

What dont you understand about the fact that it is for this years allstar game, Dragic has been the better player this season. If they end up holding an Allstar game for the best players over the past 5 years as well this season, I would be more than ok to see Parker over Dragic

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:44 PM
And how Dirk got in before Davis is even more mind baffling.

isnt davis the leagues leader in blocked shots ? monster!! I guess they gave it to dirk because he is having a bounce back year :shrug: davis got snubbed too.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:44 PM
Funny thing is that Irving doesn't deserve it for much the same reasons.

lo I know. but he seems agrivated, so I just thought id let be .. obviously he is a big wall fan, and thats cool.

Duncan = Donkey
01-30-2014, 08:45 PM
Good thing Allstar reserves are picked by coaches. They know Tony Parker=GOD.

Well its not a good thing is it, cause you have guys like Parker and Dirk being picked over Dragic and Davis.

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 08:45 PM
I'm going to stop debating with peeps who think dragic>parker. hahahahaha

akesh99
01-30-2014, 08:46 PM
Davis being snubbed for Dirk is understandable just because it's Dirk but Johnson making it over Lance/Lowry is a huge joke

P&GRealist
01-30-2014, 08:46 PM
Lance Stephenson is NOT an All-Star. We have our first snub. He balled out against the Lakers, I really like him.

Everyone balls against the Lakers.

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:47 PM
And how Dirk got in before Davis is even more mind baffling.

Dirk is having a nice year, but I agree Davis >> Dirk.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:47 PM
I thought I just read that irving wants out of clevland lol .. that teams a mess. real all star they got over there lol.

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:48 PM
Lowry should have made it over Johnson or Derozan. Johnson shouldn't even be considered tbh...

Tony_Starks
01-30-2014, 08:48 PM
No Lance? No Afflalo? No David Lee? No Drummond,No DMC?

Bullsh.....

Oh well, at least the best Power Forward in the game made the team. Shout out to JJ making it too, I'm sure that made some stat geeks mad.....

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:49 PM
No Lance? No Afflalo? No David Lee? No DMC?

Bullsh.....

Oh well, at least the best Power Forward in the game made the team.....

dudes a beast this year, him and davis not being in it is crazy.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:51 PM
Lowry should have made it over Johnson or Derozan. Johnson shouldn't even be considered tbh...

the nets have been on a huge run, and Joe is their best player. I can see why he got it.

Asik's better
01-30-2014, 08:51 PM
It's so weird to see joe Johnson's name there. I haven't watched any nets games this season but surely lance Stephenson should be in there ahead of him.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 08:52 PM
who made it over him ?

Off the top of my head, I would say hes more deserving than jared Sullinger

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 08:52 PM
It's so weird to see joe Johnson's name there. I haven't watched any nets games this season but surely lance Stephenson should be in there ahead of him.

nah I dont think soo, best player on the nets vs arguably the 3rd or 4th best players on the pacers?

Tony_Starks
01-30-2014, 08:53 PM
dudes a beast this year, him and davis not being in it is crazy.

I think that was based off reputation. His game speaks for itself...

zn23
01-30-2014, 08:55 PM
Johnson is avg. his lowest point total in the last 11 years, shooting a measly 44% from the field, he is shooting well from the 3pt line and he has hit some clutch jumpers, but his PER is 14.9 and his WS/48 is a poor 0.089.

That's about as undeserving as a selection as it gets.

Derozan and Lowry should have made the team over Johnson.

FriedTofuz
01-30-2014, 08:56 PM
Joe Johnson making it is ****ing stupid. The hell has he done? on a losing team and his numbers arent even as good as lowrys or stephensons. If Stephenson made it over Lowry, I wouldnt be mad, dude has been balling as of late and is a triple double machine. Wtf @ Joe Johnson, the EC, Kenny and all of TNT. ****ing dumbasses

bucketss
01-30-2014, 08:56 PM
No Lance? No Afflalo? No David Lee? No Drummond,No DMC?

Bullsh.....

Oh well, at least the best Power Forward in the game made the team. Shout out to JJ making it too, I'm sure that made some stat geeks mad.....

idk about afalalo since hes putting up big numbers on a horrible team.

koreancabbage
01-30-2014, 08:56 PM
find me some non raptors homers first. i dont wanna waste my time until you do that.

i don't think Lowry would make it over Wall. Wall is having a stupendous year. Lowry has been a beast but he hasn't done it all season long so I would give credit to Wall.

FriedTofuz
01-30-2014, 08:59 PM
nah I dont think soo, best player on the nets vs arguably the 3rd or 4th best players on the pacers?

Doesnt matter if he's the 3rd or 4th best player, if he's still better than Joe Johnson, then he should make it.
Lance is on a winning team, and Joe is on a losing team. Lances numbers have been better than Joe's, just 1.5pts lower in terms of scoring, but stephenson is a tripple double machine. ALso Lance's numbers for the month of january have been way better than Joe johnson.

FriedTofuz
01-30-2014, 08:59 PM
Irving is the reason why Lowry and Stephenson Got Snubbed. Irving shouldnt even be an AllStar.

Tony_Starks
01-30-2014, 09:03 PM
idk about afalalo since hes putting up big numbers on a horrible team.

In the easy coast only two teams aren't horrible. Should've made it IMO....

Jays Claw
01-30-2014, 09:03 PM
1. Irving shouldn't have been an All-Star in the first place... **** the system!

2. Joe Johnson made it over Lowry/Stephenson? What are these coaches doing... :laugh2:

NYKnickFanatic
01-30-2014, 09:05 PM
Wow, Lance, Lowry and Cousins robbed, IMO. At least Derozan made it.

Can Cousins replace Kobe? Or does it have to be a G?

Chronz
01-30-2014, 09:05 PM
Joe Johnson making it is ****ing stupid. The hell has he done? on a losing team and his numbers arent even as good as lowrys or stephensons. If Stephenson made it over Lowry, I wouldnt be mad, dude has been balling as of late and is a triple double machine. Wtf @ Joe Johnson, the EC, Kenny and all of TNT. ****ing dumbasses

reputation counts bro

but yea, lmfao @ that selection.

Bishnoff
01-30-2014, 09:07 PM
Suns up on the Pacers by 17 at the half. Pacers home game, Suns on 2nd night of a back-to-back.

Dragic: 21 PTS, 5 AST, 2 REB, 1 STL.

FriedTofuz
01-30-2014, 09:07 PM
even nets fan think joe johnson shouldnt have made it lawls

NYKnickFanatic
01-30-2014, 09:07 PM
Indiana with the best record in the NBA, deserves three all stars.

ramz.n
01-30-2014, 09:08 PM
davis >cousins> dirk for the best....stephenson> lowry> noah > johnson ...probably the only switches I would make

FriedTofuz
01-30-2014, 09:08 PM
Dragic shouldve made it over lillard

koreancabbage
01-30-2014, 09:08 PM
Wow, Lance, Lowry and Cousins robbed, IMO. At least Derozan made it.

Can Cousins replace Kobe? Or does it have to be a G?

probably a guard. I hope Gragic gets in. he is also deserving. suns playing good basketball and he's the main reason.

smith&wesson
01-30-2014, 09:08 PM
even nets fan think joe johnson shouldnt have made it lawls

The all-star game is not about who is actually better, itís a popularity contest and big names appeal. Thatís why I can understand why wall or irving would get it over lowry for example. The nets have been on a huge run. Brooklyn was in trouble before their last 13-14 games. And they won like 10 in a row, led by Joe Johnson. They right behind the raps now and can take the 3rd seed. Iím not a Johnson fan. I think heís very meh, but i can understand why he was selected.

people actually think the allstar game is about whos the best payer.. its not. its about popularity, names that gain viewers and appeal to the average fan. its always been this way.

the starters are even a bigger joke. I remember yao ming being voted in and not playing a single game in like 2 seasons and he was still getting votes. kobe this years.

now theres always going to be a snub. yes lance was a snub, but there were def bigger snubs this year than him.

NYKnickFanatic
01-30-2014, 09:10 PM
probably a guard. I hope Gragic gets in. he is also deserving. suns playing good basketball and he's the main reason.

Dragic didn't make it?!

Edit: just read it again. WOW. LOL that's crazy.m

zn23
01-30-2014, 09:10 PM
Dragic shouldve made it over lillard

Dragic has had a better year than Lillard and Parker.

Despite how many clutch shots Lillard hit, he's shooting like 41% from the field...

Stunner
01-30-2014, 09:14 PM
Out of the East Joe Johnson is the least deserving . Didn't know one month of production outweighed half a season . Lol @ the people saying Noah shouldn't haha made it and picking all Jefferson over him . Raptors only deserved one All Star like every other team ranked 3-7 in the east not two . Lance should have made it over Joe and you couldn't go wrong with Lowry or Demar .

jersey89
01-30-2014, 09:17 PM
I wondered how long this thread would take to turn into a bash joe johnson fest. Surprisingly it wasn't until page 7 or so that it happened. I think the coaches are probably more qualified to make these decisions than you are.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 09:18 PM
Suns up on the Pacers by 17 at the half. Pacers home game, Suns on 2nd night of a back-to-back.

Dragic: 21 PTS, 5 AST, 2 REB, 1 STL.

Your killing me bish, I was trying my best to avoid the scores to watch the game later, lol.

Stunner
01-30-2014, 09:21 PM
I wondered how long this thread would take to turn into a bash joe johnson fest. Surprisingly it wasn't until page 7 or so that it happened. I think the coaches are probably more qualified to make these decisions than you are.

Lol like coaches don't make bad decisions

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 09:21 PM
I'm going to stop debating with peeps who think dragic>parker. hahahahaha

that's probably a good idea. ;)

Chronz
01-30-2014, 09:22 PM
I wondered how long this thread would take to turn into a bash joe johnson fest. Surprisingly it wasn't until page 7 or so that it happened. I think the coaches are probably more qualified to make these decisions than you are.
Not at all, u'd be surprised how often coaches are dumbasses

Bishnoff
01-30-2014, 09:24 PM
Your killing me bish, I was trying my best to avoid the scores to watch the game later, lol.

Sorry buddy! I know how annoying that is too.

Shortys4711
01-30-2014, 09:27 PM
Sorry buddy! I know how annoying that is too.

Haha all good brother. It softened the blow with us being up and Dragic playin well.

AllDay28
01-30-2014, 09:29 PM
I'm sure glad coaches made these votes and not you guys ... Dragic should not be in over Parker and Lilliard ...

Bishnoff
01-30-2014, 09:30 PM
Haha all good brother. It softened the blow with us being up and Dragic playin well.

Sure would. I'll say no more :p

0nekhmer
01-30-2014, 09:30 PM
Joe Johnson over Kyle and Lance? are you kidding me that scrub isn't even an above average defender. Lowry leads the league in charges, second in triple doubles. I'm sure Lance is top 5 in triple doubles, steals too. Both those guys balled the fk out and were big parts of their teams success. Screw Joe, just another player that makes it cause of his "name"

zn23
01-30-2014, 09:35 PM
IMO, worst selections on the East:

Kyrie Irving being a starter is a joke. This guy went from good player to greatly overrated. Both Kyle Lowry and John Wall have had better years. with Wall, I am a bit iffy about. Lowry has been probably the best poinjt guard in the East this year. But no doubt that Irving is seriously one of the top 3 most overrated players in the league.

Joe Johnson making is the biggest joke BY FAR. Not only does his team have a losing record his numbers are worse than they've been in previous years.

Roy Hibbert. I know he's a defensive presence and likely DPOY, but Hibbert is really gonna be a perennial All-Star averaging 12 & 8 on 45% shooting. That's unbelievable. Not to mention Stephenson is avg. only 0.7 less rebounds a game than him. It's not a HORRIBLE selection because he didn't have much competition and Al Jefferson plays on a terrible team, but he's not an all-star player.

On the West:

Tony Parker: Should not have made it over Dragic. That was absurd. Dragic had better numbers and has done his part in carrying a team no one expected to be this good. I would nominate Lillard as well.

I have a hard time saying Dirk doesn't deserve his spot, because he's played very well but Davis and Cousins were better this year.

GodsSon
01-30-2014, 09:49 PM
Joe Johnson is the worst selection on both rosters

DR_1
01-30-2014, 09:50 PM
Joe Johnson made it over Stephenson and Afflalo :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 09:52 PM
i have to say i'd feel much more comfortable with a computer making the selections because the coaches continue to prove they can't keep bias and politics out of it.

Stunner
01-30-2014, 09:55 PM
People on twitter so bias , All Jefferson and Drummond over Hibbert and Noah . Smh

Rego247
01-30-2014, 09:57 PM
While I am pissed about the Lowry snub, i get it. No coach is gonna vote in 2 guys from the same team when that team is only 3 games above .500.

Chronz
01-30-2014, 10:00 PM
While I am pissed about the Lowry snub, i get it. No coach is gonna vote in 2 guys from the same team when that team is only 3 games above .500.

Then why choose the inferior player from that same team?

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 10:01 PM
Then why choose the inferior player from that same team?

yeah pretty much. he's a great kid and he works hard but if you are picking a Raptor it needs to be the one that's carried them on his back.

Rego247
01-30-2014, 10:12 PM
Then why choose the inferior player from that same team?

I don't know what their criteria is. Lowry is the better player, and carried the team on his back like Jamie said. He should be there.

Raidergrant
01-30-2014, 10:24 PM
The best center in the NBA didn't even make it, big Cuz.

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 10:42 PM
The best center in the NBA didn't even make it, big Cuz.

yeah, i would have probably put him in over Aldridge.

shep33
01-30-2014, 10:47 PM
Wish Lawson made it. Dude has been great this year.

AllDay28
01-30-2014, 11:03 PM
The best center in the NBA didn't even make it, big Cuz.

yeah, i would have probably put him in over Aldridge.

:facepalm:

RLundi
01-30-2014, 11:03 PM
I guess you don't understand the Spurs don't try in the regular season. Check the playoffs to see how great TP is.

You are a sickening homer.

sunsfan88
01-30-2014, 11:07 PM
How the hell did Dirk get in over Dragic/Duncan?

And no Westbrook?

Stunner
01-30-2014, 11:10 PM
How the hell did Dirk get in over Dragic/Duncan?

And no Westbrook?
Well Dirk is having a better year than Tim IMO , Westbrook is hurt , Dragic still has a chance to make it because of Kobe not playing . I doubt they'll replace a g with a big seeing they have enough right now but who knows .

SPURSFAN1
01-30-2014, 11:17 PM
You are a sickening homer.

I just ctrl+f "homer" on your page and you called people homer 4 times on just 1 page. You are a bad poster and should feel bad. You're not special brah.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
01-30-2014, 11:18 PM
I think people are overreacting a bit on the Dragic/Parker thing. Dragic will probably take CP3's spot and one of Davis/Cousins takes Kobe's spot.


How the hell did Dirk get in over Dragic/Duncan?

And no Westbrook?

Considering that he's only played 25 games this season, and that he hasn't played in over a month, it's should've been expected that Westbrook would not make it.

Stunner
01-30-2014, 11:21 PM
CP3 has an ego he was even quoted saying " he won't miss the all star game "

Stunner
01-30-2014, 11:22 PM
Lol http://i61.tinypic.com/20go65j.jpg

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 11:28 PM
:facepalm:
He's a good player and a worthy all-star but his scoring efficiency is god awful. Cousins has a decent case.

c.c.
01-30-2014, 11:30 PM
The NBA is really falling off, this is worst group of all stars i've seen in a while

That East roster is bad but that West roster isn't. Only a couple new faces on the roster from last year.

AllDay28
01-30-2014, 11:44 PM
:facepalm:
He's a good player and a worthy all-star but his scoring efficiency is god awful. Cousins has a decent case.

People are looking way into stats ... Anyone thinking Aldridge shouldn't be on the western team is delusional

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 11:47 PM
People are looking way into stats ... Anyone thinking Aldridge shouldn't be on the western team is delusional

Hey there Einstein. Missing shots is a bad thing.

Besides, I said he was worthy, I just think Cousins deserves it more and there are only so many spots.

tr3ymill3r
01-30-2014, 11:47 PM
snubs beat east reserves

Stunner
01-30-2014, 11:49 PM
Hey there Einstein. Missing shots is a bad thing.

Besides, I said he was worthy, I just think Cousins deserves it more and there are only so many spots.

This is my stance on the Aldridge pick as well

Jamiecballer
01-30-2014, 11:54 PM
This is my stance on the Aldridge pick as well

His PPS is amongst the very worst in the entire NBA. Pretty big blemish if you ask me. Mind you Cousins has his turnovers.

Stunner
01-31-2014, 12:05 AM
His PPS is amongst the very worst in the entire NBA. Pretty big blemish if you ask me. Mind you Cousins has his turnovers.

He gets most of the praise for the Blazers success for no reason , just for taking more shots and finally rebounding better . Blazers winning record has more to do with the starting 5 having career type years and their bench getting healthy .

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 12:16 AM
He gets most of the praise for the Blazers success for no reason , just for taking more shots and finally rebounding better . Blazers winning record has more to do with the starting 5 having career type years and their bench getting healthy .

And Matthews, Batum and Lopez get next to none. Nice.

ChiSox219
01-31-2014, 12:24 AM
As far as I can tell, Anthony Davis is the best PF in the league and he's not even in the all-star game.

lionel
01-31-2014, 12:30 AM
how did the best center in the nba (Demarcus cousins) not make it!? wtf!?

jon32
01-31-2014, 12:50 AM
Notta fan of Johnson making it. Afflalo, Lowry and Stephenson shoulda been there over him. Barkley goin on about how Johnson gets in because hes been playing great and winning......well how about the guy that has handed Joe Johnson his 2 losses this year in Lowry and went off last game against them where he put up somthin like 31pts/7rebs/5ast/5stls.....one of what? 3 players to do that this yr ?

Sounds like it was just a throw away vote

jon32
01-31-2014, 12:51 AM
West is just too good not to have like 10+ snubs lol

ricky recon
01-31-2014, 12:55 AM
What a complete joke. Dragic and Davis both robbed. How those two dont make it I have no idea. Take out Parker and Dirk. What a load of bull ****

Out of Nowitzki, Duncan, Lee, Davis, and Cousins; Nowitzki ranks:

1st in TS%
1st in WS
1st in AST/TOV
1st in 3PT%
1st in FT%
2nd in PPG

Give me a break, the guy is definitely wothy of his spot.

ricky recon
01-31-2014, 01:00 AM
How the hell did Dirk get in over Dragic/Duncan?

And no Westbrook?

Because Dragic is a guard, and probably because Dirk has a better WS/48, WS, PER, and TS%.

ricky recon
01-31-2014, 01:02 AM
This is Dirk's highest PER since the 07-08 season by the way. Quit hating on the big german.

(not to make advanced statistics the be all and end all.)

Sadds The Gr8
01-31-2014, 01:08 AM
As far as I can tell, Anthony Davis is the best PF in the league and he's not even in the all-star game.
This

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 01:11 AM
Because Dragic is a guard, and probably because Dirk has a better WS/48, WS, PER, and TS%.

Not quite

Dragic - WS/48 .193, .600TS%, 21.86 PER
Dirk - WS/48 .193, .589TS%, 23.89 PER

I dont have a problem with Dirk over Goran though, its Tony Parker over Goran which is crap.

SPURSFAN1
01-31-2014, 01:29 AM
Not quite

Dragic - WS/48 .193, .600TS%, 21.86 PER
Dirk - WS/48 .193, .589TS%, 23.89 PER

I dont have a problem with Dirk over Goran though, its Tony Parker over Goran which is crap.

Everyone picks tony parker 100 out of 100 times over dragic. Get over it.

Stunner
01-31-2014, 01:33 AM
Everyone has a problem with Parker making it but why ? Spurs have a better record than the suns and IMO Duncan doesn't deserve to be an all star this season. Parker making it shouldn't be a surprise at all , a spur had to . Parker having the better team record and preforming at that level longer this season got him . Dragic didn't really start getting a lot of attention till Bledsoe got hurt and even if he didn't get hurt most likely Bledsoe would still get most of the attention . You can't be mad at Parker making it because he deserves it as much as Dragic .

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 01:37 AM
I just noticed Lillard made it as well, Dragic has been alot better than him.

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 01:37 AM
Everyone picks tony parker 100 out of 100 times over dragic. Get over it.

:violin:

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 01:40 AM
People are looking way into stats ... Anyone thinking Aldridge shouldn't be on the western team is delusional

Hey there Einstein. Missing shots is a bad thing.

Besides, I said he was worthy, I just think Cousins deserves it more and there are only so many spots.

Didnt realize shooting 47% was bad but ok...

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 01:42 AM
Didnt realize shooting 47% was bad but ok...

For a big who doesn't take 3's it isn't good, he is def an all star though

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 01:53 AM
Lillard - 20.6PPG / 5.6ASS / 18.87PER / 41%FG / .571TS% - WS/48 .160

Dragic - 19.7PPG / 6.1ASS / 21.86PER / 50%FG / .600TS% - WS/48 .193

:pity: Snub

jon32
01-31-2014, 01:55 AM
Theres too many guys in the west that are deserving of making it........they should make a West "B" team. It sucks that guys like Boogie and Dragic play so unreal and dont get rewarded but that's NBA All-stars for ya....only so few make it . And if your not in a big market.....you gotta pretty much gotta put up MJ numbers + to even get noticed.

Its crazy but only 24 or so make it outta like 380 or 400 players...so to be in that elite company or just outside it is a pretty crazy acomplishment. Every fan base that had a player considered for it should be very happy

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 02:01 AM
Lillard - 20.6PPG / 5.6ASS / 18.87PER / 41%FG / .571TS% - WS/48 .160

Dragic - 19.7PPG / 6.1ASS / 21.86PER / 50%FG / .600TS% - WS/48 .193

:pity: Snub

Take into account the clutch factor and records and the coaches got it right

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 02:02 AM
Lillard - 20.6PPG / 5.6ASS / 18.87PER / 41%FG / .571TS% - WS/48 .160

Dragic - 19.7PPG / 6.1ASS / 21.86PER / 50%FG / .600TS% - WS/48 .193

:pity: Snub

Although I'm not saying dragic wasn't deserving , but we all saw this coming and know the only way he's gonna get in is by taking Kobe's spot

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 02:02 AM
Take into account the clutch factor and records and the coaches got it right

No, that is stupid.:laugh:

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 02:04 AM
Although I'm not saying dragic wasn't deserving , but we all saw this coming and know the only way he's gonna get in is by taking Kobe's spot

I agree with that, Dragic has not been hyped by the media like a Lillard has.

ricky recon
01-31-2014, 02:22 AM
Not quite

Dragic - WS/48 .193, .600TS%, 21.86 PER
Dirk - WS/48 .193, .589TS%, 23.89 PER

I dont have a problem with Dirk over Goran though, its Tony Parker over Goran which is crap.

That second comment was intended for Duncan, even though I do think Dirk is a much more valuable player than Dragic.

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 02:27 AM
That second comment was intended for Duncan, even though I do think Dirk is a much more valuable player than Dragic.

I wouldnt say "much" more valuable these days, but he is more valuable and the better player.

sunsfan88
01-31-2014, 03:01 AM
Because Dragic is a guard, and probably because Dirk has a better WS/48, WS, PER, and TS%.

Dirk got one of the "wild card" spots over Dragic. The wild card spots can go to either guards or big men.

And LOL if you seriously think Dirk is having a better season than Dragic this season. Dragic has played about half the season without Bledsoe and making guys like Green, Plumlee and the Morris twins look good. Dirk has been playing all season with Monta and Co.

sunsfan88
01-31-2014, 03:07 AM
Even though Dragic missed it, I'm very happy that Millsap made it. Dude's always been my favorite non Suns player in the NBA.

Millsap should have been an AS years ago.

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 03:07 AM
Take into account the clutch factor and records and the coaches got it right

No, that is stupid.:laugh:
Lilliard was deserving ... He was not hyped from media and if he was he earned it with all those clutch shots. There's a reason black mamba himself said to vote the guy in

t_money25
01-31-2014, 03:21 AM
No need to get upset about all star game snubs. The selection process is flawed and we all know it. Similar to the pro bowl selection process.......Kobe made it as a starter and he only played 6 games. That's all you need to know......

zn23
01-31-2014, 03:43 AM
If we're going by the whole "a spur had to make it" then I'm okay with Parker making it. But I'm not okay with the Lillard selection. The media is so obsessed with players that have "The clutch gene", and they end up ignoring consistent play.

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 05:59 AM
Lilliard was deserving ... He was not hyped from media and if he was he earned it with all those clutch shots. There's a reason black mamba himself said to vote the guy in

Sorry cant agree with that. He has been massively hyped by the media. I dont care what Kobe says he is wrong. Numbers are all in Dragic's favour. Dragic>>Lillard


Lillard - 20.6PPG / 5.6ASS / 18.87PER / 41%FG / .571TS% - WS/48 .160

Dragic - 19.7PPG / 6.1ASS / 21.86PER / 50%FG / .600TS% - WS/48 .193

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 06:00 AM
Dirk got one of the "wild card" spots over Dragic. The wild card spots can go to either guards or big men.

And LOL if you seriously think Dirk is having a better season than Dragic this season. Dragic has played about half the season without Bledsoe and making guys like Green, Plumlee and the Morris twins look g
ood. Dirk has been playing all season with Monta and Co.

I think Dirk over Dragic is fine to be honest.

Drummond#1
01-31-2014, 06:31 AM
I agree with that, Dragic has not been hyped by the media like a Lillard has.

Unfortunately the only Sun to get any media attention this year is the injured Bledsoe... Dragic has been just as good if not better. These Suns are really emulating the early 2000s Pistons who were vastly underrated until they showed up in the conference finals.

Drummond#1
01-31-2014, 06:33 AM
Not to mention Plumlee not making the Rising Stars SMH.

Drummond#1
01-31-2014, 06:34 AM
Even though Dragic missed it, I'm very happy that Millsap made it. Dude's always been my favorite non Suns player in the NBA.

Millsap should have been an AS years ago.

I agree. He was stuck in Jeffersons shadow for years.

Duncan = Donkey
01-31-2014, 06:40 AM
Unfortunately the only Sun to get any media attention this year is the injured Bledsoe... Dragic has been just as good if not better. These Suns are really emulating the early 2000s Pistons who were vastly underrated until they showed up in the conference finals.

Yeah, when Dragic and EB were both healthy they are playing about as good as each other. Dragic has taken his game to another level with EB being out though.

Those Pistons were one of a kind, what a team that was.

pebloemer
01-31-2014, 08:00 AM
I agree. He was stuck in Jeffersons shadow for years.

Had Horford not been injured he'd just change shadows.

I'm also glad to see he made it.

Pacerlive
01-31-2014, 08:17 AM
It's so weird to see joe Johnson's name there. I haven't watched any nets games this season but surely lance Stephenson should be in there ahead of him.
It's the owners rewarding the Nets for all the charity in luxury tax payments.

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 09:09 AM
Didnt realize shooting 47% was bad but ok...
On the surface it looks OK I agree. But if you look a little deeper... your goal every possession should be to maximize your return in points. In points per shot Aldridge is tied for 99th at 1.14 so his ppg should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

Still a great player though but without someone like Matthews who is the exact opposite in that he is incredibly productive when he shoots the Blazers offense would look a lot worse.

2-ONE-5
01-31-2014, 12:06 PM
That second comment was intended for Duncan, even though I do think Dirk is a much more valuable player than Dragic.

Spurs have to be represented though

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 12:21 PM
i don't get why teams have to be represented. the all-star game is about individual performance. don't the spurs get recognition every time each one of us opens up the sports pages and see's the standings?? oh look, the Spurs are awesome again this year.

recognized.

2-ONE-5
01-31-2014, 01:20 PM
why should a player putting up good number on a crap team get the nod over someone on one of the best teams in the league? its always been this way.

Stunner
01-31-2014, 01:22 PM
why should a player putting up good number on a crap team get the nod over someone on one of the best teams in the league? its always been this way.

Kyrie and the only reason he's in because of Rose , Rondo and Williams being hurt.

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 01:37 PM
why should a player putting up good number on a crap team get the nod over someone on one of the best teams in the league? its always been this way.

because with advanced stats we have ways of deciphering who is putting up empty numbers and who is not. representing teams is the reason Joe Johnson is in the all-star game.

2-ONE-5
01-31-2014, 01:58 PM
Kyrie and the only reason he's in because of Rose , Rondo and Williams being hurt.

Lowry right now has been better then Williams at any point as a Net and Rondo would not be an all star playing with all those bums in Boston. Rose maybe but he is long out of the discussion now


because with advanced stats we have ways of deciphering who is putting up empty numbers and who is not. representing teams is the reason Joe Johnson is in the all-star game.

do you really think coaches are looking at a bnuch of advanced stats? also advanced stats should not put a player ona bottom 5-10 team in the all star game

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 02:11 PM
do you really think coaches are looking at a bnuch of advanced stats? also advanced stats should not put a player ona bottom 5-10 team in the all star game
no obviously not all of them do. but look, it's funny that you seem to think advanced stats aren't capable of capturing just how well someone is playing when it's advanced stats that make Lowry's inclusion a slam dunk. not winning. not the eye test. not basic stats.

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 03:16 PM
Lilliard was deserving ... He was not hyped from media and if he was he earned it with all those clutch shots. There's a reason black mamba himself said to vote the guy in

Sorry cant agree with that. He has been massively hyped by the media. I dont care what Kobe says he is wrong. Numbers are all in Dragic's favour. Dragic>>Lillard


Lillard - 20.6PPG / 5.6ASS / 18.87PER / 41%FG / .571TS% - WS/48 .160

Dragic - 19.7PPG / 6.1ASS / 21.86PER / 50%FG / .600TS% - WS/48 .193

Well I'll go with the coaches and players. No reason to debate this when all the experts and people with jobs in the NBA think Lilliard and Parker are better than dragic

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 03:19 PM
Well I'll go with the coaches and players. No reason to debate this when all the experts and people with jobs in the NBA think Lilliard and Parker are better than dragic

i don't think who is better is the right way to do it though. if that's the case you might as well name the team pre-season.

Stunner
01-31-2014, 04:20 PM
]Lowry right now has been better then Williams at any point as a Net and Rondo would not be an all star playing with all those bums in Boston. Rose maybe but he is long out of the discussion now
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do you really think coaches are looking at a bnuch of advanced stats? also advanced stats should not put a player ona bottom 5-10 team in the all star game


A healthy Williams is better than Lowry , A healthy Rondo is better than Lowry , i believe he would have done something with this bunch you underrating him especially in a year he prob would be scoring a lot more. Rose would have been voted in and was the leading guard in votes before his injury . You see how i was talking about Kyrie right and not Lowry ? And for the simple fact that Kyrie has a bigger name than Lowry would have been more of a reason of Lowry not getting chosen to be an all star . All of those guards when healthy and on their a game are better than Kyle .

2-ONE-5
01-31-2014, 04:31 PM
A healthy Williams is better than Lowry , A healthy Rondo is better than Lowry , i believe he would have done something with this bunch you underrating him especially in a year he prob would be scoring a lot more. Rose would have been voted in and was the leading guard in votes before his injury . You see how i was talking about Kyrie right and not Lowry ? And for the simple fact that Kyrie has a bigger name than Lowry would have been more of a reason of Lowry not getting chosen to be an all star . All of those guards when healthy and on their a game are better than Kyle .

ah **** no i misread my bad. while you are prob right i still dont think Rondo would be doing all that much this year on that team its not like he was special before he got the big 3 and D Will hasnt been healthy in years so that argument is out the window too. However i do agree Irving isnot deserving in any way he is oly in bcuz of the pepsi commericals

chitownredbulls
01-31-2014, 04:50 PM
Should be Lowry instead of derozen...cousins instead of Howard....dragic instead of Paul...don't get me wrong just saying, Paul's been injured n dragic has been beast....

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 04:54 PM
Davis was the biggest snub for sure, but hopefully he is named as Kobe's injury replacement.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 04:56 PM
Lowry right now has been better then Williams at any point as a Net and Rondo would not be an all star playing with all those bums in Boston. Rose maybe but he is long out of the discussion now



do you really think coaches are looking at a bnuch of advanced stats? also advanced stats should not put a player ona bottom 5-10 team in the all star game

every coaching staff has advanced statistics guys, so yes. That being said, who knows how heavy they weigh in over other factors like team record for example.

bucketss
01-31-2014, 05:03 PM
Should be Lowry instead of derozen...cousins instead of Howard....dragic instead of Paul...don't get me wrong just saying, Paul's been injured n dragic has been beast....

why would lowry replace derozan instead of joe johnson? or even joakim noah LOL

sunsfan88
01-31-2014, 05:05 PM
Davis was the biggest snub for sure, but hopefully he is named as Kobe's injury replacement.

Doesn't Kobe's replacement have to be a guard since you know he's a guard as well?

Either way Dragic deserves it more than Davis. I think stat padding on a pathetic team is not the same as leading the #6 team in the West.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 05:15 PM
Doesn't Kobe's replacement have to be a guard since you know he's a guard as well?

Either way Dragic deserves it more than Davis. I think stat padding on a pathetic team is not the same as leading the #6 team in the West.

not sure about replacement rules.

Stat padding? That team is in shambles injury wise and Davis has dominated.

Bruno
01-31-2014, 05:20 PM
davis not on the team? he might be the highest PER without making the roster in league history (playing 30+ games).

chitownredbulls
01-31-2014, 05:38 PM
why would lowry replace derozan instead of joe johnson? or even joakim noah LOL

That's true lol but he should have made the team instead of derozen in the first place

sunsfan88
01-31-2014, 05:47 PM
not sure about replacement rules.

Stat padding? That team is in shambles injury wise and Davis has dominated.

Dragic is making scrubs who couldn't get off the bench in Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee and the Morris twins look good. And he's actually winning at the same time.

2-ONE-5
01-31-2014, 05:53 PM
every coaching staff has advanced statistics guys, so yes. That being said, who knows how heavy they weigh in over other factors like team record for example.

they have them for their own player developemnt and scouting not to determine who the head coach should vote into the all star game

nickdymez
01-31-2014, 06:10 PM
Davis, Duncan, Cousins over Howard all day.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 06:31 PM
Dragic is making scrubs who couldn't get off the bench in Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee and the Morris twins look good. And he's actually winning at the same time.

no, those players have been developed because of sound coaching. Dragic is having an excellent year, but his team has stayed mostly healthy (outside Bledsoe missing the last 10 games and some more upcoming), and has a team that has a lot of players having breakout years. That is not due to Dragic.

Davis is putting up ridiculous numbers on both ends, and playing with a team that has now been decimated by injuries, and a 19-26 record for that team under the circumstances isn't bad.

Davis is clearly the better player, and deserves the nod.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 06:33 PM
they have them for their own player developemnt and scouting not to determine who the head coach should vote into the all star game

that info is so commonly found, within a team coaching staff or anywhere for that matter, the coaches know exactly who is playing efficient and who isn't.

The one thing I think might make a difference, outside a coach being lazy and just voting for a player from a winning team, is if a player goes HAM on his team every time he sees them, it may sway his vote.

AllDay28
01-31-2014, 06:37 PM
Davis will prolly be Kobe's replacement . Dragic has to hope cp3 won't play

SeoulBeatz
01-31-2014, 09:44 PM
Joe Johnson. Are you ****ing kidding me? give that guard spot to someone who deserves it like Lowry.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 09:55 PM
Joe Johnson. Are you ****ing kidding me? give that guard spot to someone who deserves it like Lowry.

I don't get Joe Johnson at all.

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 10:14 PM
I don't get Joe Johnson at all.

nobody does. i was there when the nets got the news though and i captured it in the photo below.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 10:16 PM
nobody does. i was there when the nets got the news though and i captured it in the photo below.

I mean, his career will be put into perspective eventually, but the dude is not a top tier SG, never has been, never will be. I just don't get his contract, nor the love given by voters/coaches during his career.

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 10:19 PM
I mean, his career will be put into perspective eventually, but the dude is not a top tier SG, never has been, never will be. I just don't get his contract, nor the love given by voters/coaches during his career.

the only explanation i can come up with is this.

maybe because his name is Joe Johnson at a subconscious level we all believe his success is a victory for every man. might'a tried too hard on that one :)

Hawkeye15
01-31-2014, 10:31 PM
the only explanation i can come up with is this.

maybe because his name is Joe Johnson at a subconscious level we all believe his success is a victory for every man. might'a tried too hard on that one :)

I love your theory haha, but why didn't Joe Smith make a **** ton of ASG's?

Jamiecballer
01-31-2014, 10:36 PM
I love your theory haha, but why didn't Joe Smith make a **** ton of ASG's?

good point. i can't answer that lol

Duncan = Donkey
02-01-2014, 03:10 AM
Dragic is making scrubs who couldn't get off the bench in Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee and the Morris twins look good. And he's actually winning at the same time.

Jesus that's harsh. Those guys are not scrubs.

tredigs
02-01-2014, 06:37 AM
All Star Joe Johnson with another ELECTRIC performance tonight, wreaking havoc on OKC's perimeter defenders with an imposing... 9/1/2.

The 11th time he's failed to reach double digits this season and 3rd time in the last 4 games; The All Star is currently averaging 9/3/2 on 39% FG (29% 3pt) over his past 5.

Meanwhile, regular NBAer Kyle Lowry averaging 21/5/10 on 47% FG (43% 3pt) in the span. And over the course of the season there isn't a single statistic or facet of the game where he has an advantage on Lowry.

The Raptors are the East 3 seed and Brooklyn is still currently 4 games under .500, so...

Underlying point: Never use # of AS appearances in a debate.

Jamiecballer
02-01-2014, 01:31 PM
All Star Joe Johnson with another ELECTRIC performance tonight, wreaking havoc on OKC's perimeter defenders with an imposing... 9/1/2.

The 11th time he's failed to reach double digits this season and 3rd time in the last 4 games; The All Star is currently averaging 9/3/2 on 39% FG (29% 3pt) over his past 5.

Meanwhile, regular NBAer Kyle Lowry averaging 21/5/10 on 47% FG (43% 3pt) in the span. And over the course of the season there isn't a single statistic or facet of the game where he has an advantage on Lowry.

The Raptors are the East 3 seed and Brooklyn is still currently 4 games under .500, so...

Underlying point: Never use # of AS appearances in a debate.

how about this this little nugget since i've heard numerous times how Joe Johnson has revived the Nets with his all-star month.

Since the day notorious ball-stopper Rudy Gay was traded (and i give full props to Gay for whatever happened on that plane ride that seems to have smartened him up):

Lowry

18.2 ppg (on a ridiculous 13.2 field goal attempts)
8.2 apg (with a very tidy 2.3 turnovers per game)
4.8 rpg
1.5 spg (+ league leading charges taken)

1.38 pps

win shares that put him behind only Kevin Durant in that time.

and his destined for tank team has registered a 20-8 record.

sunsfan88
02-02-2014, 02:26 AM
no, those players have been developed because of sound coaching. Dragic is having an excellent year, but his team has stayed mostly healthy (outside Bledsoe missing the last 10 games and some more upcoming), and has a team that has a lot of players having breakout years. That is not due to Dragic.

Davis is putting up ridiculous numbers on both ends, and playing with a team that has now been decimated by injuries, and a 19-26 record for that team under the circumstances isn't bad.

Davis is clearly the better player, and deserves the nod.
If you take Dragic off the team Suns would be worse than Pelicans and a terrible team. You take Davis off the Pelicans....well they were already a terrible team to begin with!

Stunner
02-02-2014, 02:36 AM
Nawwwwwww Bledsoe is still there ....basically playing with the same team constructed now with Bledsoe out and our winning games . Not to mention Meka hasn't suited up yet

sunsfan88
02-02-2014, 02:46 AM
Nawwwwwww Bledsoe is still there ....basically playing with the same team constructed now with Bledsoe out and our winning games . Not to mention Meka hasn't suited up yet

And he never will suit up for PHX.

Vinny642
02-06-2014, 11:25 PM
I had to go back and find this thread.... Anthony Davis not making in.... IN NEW ORLEANS is a damn joke.

RipCity32
02-06-2014, 11:34 PM
I had to go back and find this thread.... Anthony Davis not making in.... IN NEW ORLEANS is a damn joke.

Pretty ridiculous

Stunner
02-06-2014, 11:36 PM
Lol somebody tell me again how Joe Johnson is an all star ?

Vinny642
02-06-2014, 11:38 PM
Pretty ridiculous

Like his play alone is well deserving of a spot, but add in the fact that the All Star game will be in New Orleans... how does he not have a spot to represent New Orleans... freaking joke.

Vinny642
02-06-2014, 11:39 PM
Lol somebody tell me again how Joe Johnson is an all star ?

That is horrible... sometimes things make NO SENSE...

RipCity32
02-06-2014, 11:40 PM
Like his play alone is well deserving of a spot, but add in the fact that the All Star game will be in New Orleans... how does he not have a spot to represent New Orleans... freaking joke.

Don't get it, I think Hes already the best big in the league. He's a 20 and 10 big with 3+ blocks and good D.

bucketss
02-06-2014, 11:43 PM
I had to go back and find this thread.... Anthony Davis not making in.... IN NEW ORLEANS is a damn joke.

he gon replace kobe most likely unless... they replace kobe with another guard.

Vinny642
02-06-2014, 11:49 PM
he gon replace kobe most likely unless... they replace kobe with another guard.

Im not too sure on the ruling there, but regardless, it shouldn't even take up to that point to get him in. I get the fans no voting him in... but the coaches.... WHAT!? I almost puked when I saw he wasnt a reserve...

mrblisterdundee
02-06-2014, 11:51 PM
I think Goran Dragic might be considered a snub too. Phoenix was billed as a bottom feeder, and now it's trying to acquire talent for a playoff run. Dragic and Eric Bledsoe were almost equal forces on the team. But Dragic has done well keeping Phoenix going since Bledsoe went out.
Statistically, Dragic is better than not only Bledsoe, but Damian Lillard as well. Meanwhile, the Suns have been Portland's biggest Kryptonite.

Duncan = Donkey
02-07-2014, 12:17 AM
Perfect world

Davis takes Kobes spot
Dragic takes Lillards spot

Anyone takes Johnson spot lol

sunsfan88
02-07-2014, 12:54 AM
CP3 is such a douche...he's gonna come back a week early just so he can play in the ASG. He doesn't even deserve it, he's missed most of the season.

bholly
02-07-2014, 03:57 PM
Davis has been added:


Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 7m
At USAT: New Orleans Pelicans big man Anthony Davis has been selected as the All-Star injury replacement - http://usat.ly/1d3aQwQ

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 2m
As @HowardBeck noted - & to allay any & all hometown conspiracy theories - I'm told Davis was next in line in the coaches vote for reserves.

Great news.

sunsfan88
02-07-2014, 04:26 PM
Tony Parker's been out with injury, I wonder if he will be replaced.

bucketss
02-07-2014, 05:07 PM
Im not too sure on the ruling there, but regardless, it shouldn't even take up to that point to get him in. I get the fans no voting him in... but the coaches.... WHAT!? I almost puked when I saw he wasnt a reserve...

yeah big time fail on them, but good news he just replaced kobe. but you're right it shouldnt have to come to that,