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JasonJohnHorn
01-27-2014, 09:46 AM
Coming into the season, expectations were high for the Nets. They played poorly, were plagued by injuries, and couldn't seem to get their chemistry down right. What seemed like a nightmare got worse. Deron Williams and Brooke Lopez, the team's two best players, went down with injuries and Lopez was lost for the season.

Then the new year came along. If the season had started on January 1st, the Nets would have the best record in the league right now. They are 10-1 in the month of January and are now only two games under .500, which in the East puts them in the playoffs.

How did this turnaround happen? Is it just an easy schedule? They did beat both the Heat and the Thunder in this stretch. Did Kidd figure out what he was doing? Did the players finally find a way to mesh? Is the loss of Lopez and limited minutes given to Reggie Evans a form of addition by subtraction?


Please help me make sense of this.

Rockice_8
01-27-2014, 10:14 AM
6 teams were above .500 so no not just an easy schedule. Ball movement, chemistry, and length at every position (vastly improved defensively) = wins.

KG is better suited for the 5 so with Brook going down (a very efficient and good player but a ball stopper) kind for forced them to go small and they now have 5 smart basketball players on the court at one time that can all pass shoot and defend. The small ball hurts their rebounding but they make up for it with IQ and unselfishness.

They just needed time to gel and health (the beginning of the year was just brutal, one guy going down after another). The defensive length with AK, KG and Livingston is just tough on teams.

Add to that a very good bench with Blatche, AK, Teletovic and AA (once D-Will goes back to starting) finally getting comfortable with his role they are just so well rounded and play smart.

Very fun team to watch watch almost Spurs like with the ball movement.

Blink
01-27-2014, 10:42 AM
^ What he said but he only forgot the ******* the Nets part..

FlashBolt
01-27-2014, 11:13 AM
I have to be brutally honest. I think NBA is fixed. There is no way you can suck that bad and then win 10/11. It's just weird. Or maybe it's just me.

BRICKCITYPIMP12
01-27-2014, 11:27 AM
its just u..lol

Clippersfan86
01-27-2014, 11:37 AM
If it was fixed why even have them start so bad?

D-Leethal
01-27-2014, 11:38 AM
More defined roles and balance of skills instead of a stockpile of "stars", former "stars" and redundant scorers into an awkward fitting starting 5.

Just goes to further show that inferior talent that fits is almost always > superior talent that doesn't fit unless that talent gap is stacked to a point where you can have a ton of guys struggle to fit, play way below their respective peak and win anyway (Miami).

Chill_Will_24
01-27-2014, 11:39 AM
Losing a slow, dumb, ball stopping C that is bad at every form of defense besides protecting the rim helps.

That combined with KG going back to C where he is still an elite defensive player and AK returning has helped them be a top defensive team this month. Livingston at pg with AA at sg has helped as well cuz Livingston has length to defend 3 positions and AA can as well.

Their bench is pretty damn good too. Who would say no to a bench of Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, Mirza Teletovic, Jason Terry, and Andre Blatche? All can be starters or play starters minutes

D-Leethal
01-27-2014, 11:41 AM
Losing a slow, dumb, ball stopping C that is bad at every form of defense besides protecting the rim helps.

That combined with KG going back to C where he is still an elite defensive player and AK returning has helped them be a top defensive team this month. Livingston at pg with AA at sg has helped as well cuz Livingston has length to defend 3 positions and AA can as well.

Their bench is pretty damn good too. Who would say no to a bench of Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, Mirza Teletovic, Jason Terry, and Andre Blatche? All can be starters or play starters minutes

Is Deron on the bench permanent or just until he gets his legs back?

kobe4thewinbang
01-27-2014, 11:54 AM
I don't know how they're doing it, but it's nice to see. Maybe the Nets will make some noise in the playoffs.

waveycrockett
01-27-2014, 12:30 PM
Is Deron on the bench permanent or just until he gets his legs back?

I think it's going to be permanent barring an injury. He is happy coming off the bench. It was his idea. Livingston has played way better with the starters since he never looks to score and is a way better defender than Deron. Deron brings scoring and leadership to our 2nd Unit. DWIL's main problem since he's been a Net has been confidence and he's gotten alot of confidence destroying back up PG's

D-Leethal
01-27-2014, 01:02 PM
I think it's going to be permanent barring an injury. He is happy coming off the bench. It was his idea. Livingston has played way better with the starters since he never looks to score and is a way better defender than Deron. Deron brings scoring and leadership to our 2nd Unit. DWIL's main problem since he's been a Net has been confidence and he's gotten alot of confidence destroying back up PG's

Really just goes to show how discombobulated the original starting 5 was. Took moving Pierce to the bench, than the 4 spot, KG to the 5, starting Livingston and Alan Anderson to finally find a lineup with some balance.

KniCks4LiFe
01-27-2014, 01:33 PM
Coming into the season, expectations were high for the Nets. They played poorly, were plagued by injuries, and couldn't seem to get their chemistry down right. What seemed like a nightmare got worse. Deron Williams and Brooke Lopez, the team's two best players, went down with injuries and Lopez was lost for the season.

Then the new year came along. If the season had started on January 1st, the Nets would have the best record in the league right now. They are 10-1 in the month of January and are now only two games under .500, which in the East puts them in the playoffs.

How did this turnaround happen? Is it just an easy schedule? They did beat both the Heat and the Thunder in this stretch. Did Kidd figure out what he was doing? Did the players finally find a way to mesh? Is the loss of Lopez and limited minutes given to Reggie Evans a form of addition by subtraction?


Please help me make sense of this.

You want to know why.

- Frank was sabotaging Kidd
- and it took Kidd a few weeks to right the ship after that

He turned a line up that featured

- Brooke Lopez [raw in the post]
- Kevin Garnett [spurts of 5 mins]
- Paul Pierce [bad and slow at the 3]
- Joe Johnson [stiff at the 2]
- Deron Williams [one of the main reasons Joe was slow]

It took Lopez being done and Deron being limited to upgrade the line up

- Suddenly Garnett was put at the 5, more natural position for his age [now you got interior D and post passing]

- Then it was Paul Pierce at the 4, [mismatch for most 4's and more versatility from that position]

- Then Joe Johnson was slid up to the 3 [mismatch for most 3's w/ his one and one isos and now you matched most 3's better than Pierce did and the offense ran through him]

- Then the glue to all this Shaun Livingston was your PG, higher IQ than Deron, better defender than Deron that's for sure [a stretch PG who rebounds and defends and makes plays]

- Alan Anderson would become the weak link as a serviceable 2 guard who can defend the backcourt and is better suited for catch and shoot

- The bench would then improve w/ more PT from Blatche and Mirza Telelovic who Jason Kidd has completely changed the perception of these 2 players more than any other coach.

- Some people didn't notice this too. But at times before the injuries Kidd was testing putting Mirza and Blatche on the floor together. Kidd was testing putting Livingston w/ Deron b/c he was under-performing at the 1 spot. These aren't all of the sudden moves. This is how advanced Jason Kidd's mind is. He sees the game in a way many can't explain and well here you have a team that suddenly went from a under .500 joke to a potential top team in the East. A 3-6 seed team. If they get their hands on a legit back up big or 10-14 PPG guard, there could be a shift in the east b/c they are moving the ball at an incredible pace for their age.

waveycrockett
01-27-2014, 01:36 PM
With Ak-47 back the Nets have by Far the best bench in the NBA. Something that gets over looked alot. Even if our starters get outplayed like they did last night our Bench just murders the other teams 2nd unit. It's been a long time since I've seen a bench this strong maybe since the 2011 MAVS.

KniCks4LiFe
01-27-2014, 01:47 PM
With Ak-47 back the Nets have by Far the best bench in the NBA. Something that gets over looked alot. Even if our starters get outplayed like they did last night our Bench just murders the other teams 2nd unit. It's been a long time since I've seen a bench this strong maybe since the 2011 MAVS.

I think you have 3 really good bench players, 2 suspects. Tho Deron coming off the bench makes them difficult to handle.

tredigs
01-27-2014, 02:02 PM
Well, I'd say that the jury is out and we know that the all-or-nothing experiment has failed, but yes, they're playing better ball and at 2 games under .500 with a 5 game winning streak are essentially a top flight EC team, so a 2nd round performance is not out of the question.

waveycrockett
01-27-2014, 03:06 PM
I think you have 3 really good bench players, 2 suspects. Tho Deron coming off the bench makes them difficult to handle.

I'm not sure who the suspect guys you are referring to I hope you dont mean Mirza Teletovic. He's been great this year. Maybe Jason Terry I guess. But Deron, Blatche, AK-47 and Mirza have all been awesome off the bench.

DoMeFavors
01-27-2014, 03:07 PM
Never once doubted them for a second, always knew they were a top 3 team in this league. We all knew it would be a struggle to start with new coach, new players, ex. The bench is a starting unit on a playoff team. This team has already beat the champs twice. We are scary. Always knew this was the team they were

effen5
01-27-2014, 03:19 PM
Never once doubted them for a second, always knew they were a top 3 team in this league. We all knew it would be a struggle to start with new coach, new players, ex. The bench is a starting unit on a playoff team. This team has already beat the champs twice. We are scary. Always knew this was the team they were

Not even a top 5 team in the east

SPURSFAN1
01-27-2014, 03:34 PM
They're winning games, but they really aren't good.

blahblahyoutoo
01-27-2014, 03:41 PM
once they hit a losing streak, everyone will be questioning the team again...

waveycrockett
01-27-2014, 03:43 PM
They're winning games, but they really aren't good.

Teams that aren't good dont go 10-1 with wins over Miami, OKC,GSW, Dallas etc...

NYKnickFanatic
01-27-2014, 03:45 PM
Nets have been balling. Haven't watched them, so I don't know what they are doing differently. I have a feeling it has to do with Livingston though. They are the hottest team to start the new year. Their record is 10-1 I think?

NYKnickFanatic
01-27-2014, 03:47 PM
They're winning games, but they really aren't good.

Well they have been playing a lot better since the new year, being the hottest team. Give credit when credit is due.

NYKnickFanatic
01-27-2014, 03:48 PM
Teams that aren't good dont go 10-1 with wins over Miami, New York, OKC,GSW, Dallas etc...

Fixed. :p :D

JasonJohnHorn
01-27-2014, 03:57 PM
You want to know why.

- Frank was sabotaging Kidd
- and it took Kidd a few weeks to right the ship after that

He turned a line up that featured

- Brooke Lopez [raw in the post]
- Kevin Garnett [spurts of 5 mins]
- Paul Pierce [bad and slow at the 3]
- Joe Johnson [stiff at the 2]
- Deron Williams [one of the main reasons Joe was slow]

It took Lopez being done and Deron being limited to upgrade the line up

- Suddenly Garnett was put at the 5, more natural position for his age [now you got interior D and post passing]

- Then it was Paul Pierce at the 4, [mismatch for most 4's and more versatility from that position]

- Then Joe Johnson was slid up to the 3 [mismatch for most 3's w/ his one and one isos and now you matched most 3's better than Pierce did and the offense ran through him]

- Then the glue to all this Shaun Livingston was your PG, higher IQ than Deron, better defender than Deron that's for sure [a stretch PG who rebounds and defends and makes plays]

- Alan Anderson would become the weak link as a serviceable 2 guard who can defend the backcourt and is better suited for catch and shoot

- The bench would then improve w/ more PT from Blatche and Mirza Telelovic who Jason Kidd has completely changed the perception of these 2 players more than any other coach.

- Some people didn't notice this too. But at times before the injuries Kidd was testing putting Mirza and Blatche on the floor together. Kidd was testing putting Livingston w/ Deron b/c he was under-performing at the 1 spot. These aren't all of the sudden moves. This is how advanced Jason Kidd's mind is. He sees the game in a way many can't explain and well here you have a team that suddenly went from a under .500 joke to a potential top team in the East. A 3-6 seed team. If they get their hands on a legit back up big or 10-14 PPG guard, there could be a shift in the east b/c they are moving the ball at an incredible pace for their age.

Great analysis!

Rockice_8
01-27-2014, 04:22 PM
Deron is still playing the most minutes on the team because he's their best player. He needs to be great for them to get past INDY or MIA. Livingston has been great but this is D-Will's team. It's not who starts it's who finishes and the ball is in D-Will's hands down the stretch or JJ's when it's the last shot.

Deron has been playing good ball this year but you look at 13 and 7 think he's not playing well when that's not the case. He's been putting good effort in on defense, he's shooting %'s are at the highest they've been in his career back to is prime Utah days and his TO's are some of the lowest of his career. He's playing with the team now not just going out there trying to do it all. His assists are down because the ball movement is so good (everyone is making the extra pass, not just a drive and kick type thing) and he's not dropping 18-19 ppg because he's taking like 4 less shots per game.

He might not be the superstar he once was but he's playing good ball these days and being a real leader on the floor getting his teammates involved.

DoMeFavors
01-27-2014, 04:23 PM
Nets will probably face Heat in 2nd round, setting up for ECF. Nets vs Pacers.

tredigs
01-27-2014, 04:27 PM
What seed would the Nets finish in the West? 11th? They'd have a fair shot at Randle.

Rockice_8
01-27-2014, 04:52 PM
What seed would the Nets finish in the West? 11th? They'd have a fair shot at Randle.

This Nets team the way they are playing now would be middle of the pack in the west probably (5-6 seed). If they weren't destroyed by injuries early on they probably wouldn't have been in such a whole.

They don't play in the west though so it's moot. The West crying thread is the Indiana thread you're in the wrong one.

tredigs
01-27-2014, 05:00 PM
Rockets/Warriors/Clippers/Thunder/Spurs have all gone or are going through huge injury issues this season. Terrible excuse. Had they played all their games in the West they'd be the 13/14 seed as is, and would have no chance at a playoff birth. But you're right, they play in the joke conference. And as such have a great shot at being swept in rd 2.

Sorry if that comes off resentful. Just a fact.

TheMightyHumph
01-27-2014, 05:30 PM
Rockets/Warriors/Clippers/Thunder/Spurs have all gone or are going through huge injury issues this season. Terrible excuse. Had they played all their games in the West they'd be the 13/14 seed as is, and would have no chance at a playoff birth. But you're right, they play in the joke conference. And as such have a great shot at being swept in rd 2.

Sorry if that comes off resentful. Just a fact.

Location, location, location.

MyDRoseLikeDeng
01-27-2014, 05:43 PM
Never once doubted them for a second, always knew they were a top 3 team in this league. We all knew it would be a struggle to start with new coach, new players, ex. The bench is a starting unit on a playoff team. This team has already beat the champs twice. We are scary. Always knew this was the team they were

Only reason I clicked on this thread was to read what this legend had to say. Once again, he doesnt fail to provide a nice chuckle :clap:

smith&wesson
01-27-2014, 05:54 PM
injuries slowed them down,

kobe4thewinbang
01-29-2014, 08:47 AM
Nets will probably face Heat in 2nd round, setting up for ECF. Nets vs Pacers.LOL, they aren't beating Miami unless D-Wade can't play.

albertajaysfan
01-29-2014, 11:51 AM
They have found a nice rotation.

The idea that injuries slowed them down is bogus. Injuries are what helped them find the current rotation they have. In a weird way injuries have helped them.

All you Nets fans better hope you don't meet the Raps in the playoffs. We are your kryptonite!

In all seriousness though I am glad they turned it around. It is nice to see the Eastern Conference showing some signs of life. The more teams with a chance to knock off the Heat the better IMO.

rapsjaysfan88
01-29-2014, 12:07 PM
they just can't seem 2 beat toronto. 10-2 last 12, only loses to the raps.

netsgiantsyanks
01-29-2014, 12:13 PM
Rockets/Warriors/Clippers/Thunder/Spurs have all gone or are going through huge injury issues this season. Terrible excuse. Had they played all their games in the West they'd be the 13/14 seed as is, and would have no chance at a playoff birth. But you're right, they play in the joke conference. And as such have a great shot at being swept in rd 2.

Sorry if that comes off resentful. Just a fact.

those teams you mentioned already had their chemistry set. the nets barely had any time to gel together before the season started and it worsened once the season did start.

KniCks4LiFe
01-29-2014, 12:36 PM
Deron is still playing the most minutes on the team because he's their best player. He needs to be great for them to get past INDY or MIA. Livingston has been great but this is D-Will's team. It's not who starts it's who finishes and the ball is in D-Will's hands down the stretch or JJ's when it's the last shot.

Deron has been playing good ball this year but you look at 13 and 7 think he's not playing well when that's not the case. He's been putting good effort in on defense, he's shooting %'s are at the highest they've been in his career back to is prime Utah days and his TO's are some of the lowest of his career. He's playing with the team now not just going out there trying to do it all. His assists are down because the ball movement is so good (everyone is making the extra pass, not just a drive and kick type thing) and he's not dropping 18-19 ppg because he's taking like 4 less shots per game.

He might not be the superstar he once was but he's playing good ball these days and being a real leader on the floor getting his teammates involved.

The problem is the Nets have not been at their best w/ Deron Williams. He has more than anybody underperformed and most times looks and plays like an average PG. 13 and 7 is not what Deron Williams should be. This is a guy who should have Baron Davis like numbers but has completely played average at best as a Net.

Joe Johnson for all the knocks, when this offense runs through him, he delivers as an allstar 3. Deron Williams has not looked like a star anything. And that is alarming.

koreancabbage
01-29-2014, 10:24 PM
they just can't seem 2 beat toronto. 10-2 last 12, only loses to the raps.

lol Raptors are the class of the Atlantic. funny to say but you can't the Raptors ball movement and team play and great top tier defense

todu82
01-30-2014, 12:49 AM
Think it took a while for the Nets to get their act together. They have now and I think if they keep it up they could be a team to watch in the East.