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bucketss
01-24-2014, 10:32 PM
60 points :speechless:

benzni
01-24-2014, 10:34 PM
damn. 22-33.

NYJ - NYY
01-24-2014, 10:36 PM
He's tired of reading that chucker **** on psd

Raps08-09 Champ
01-24-2014, 10:36 PM
Rigged.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 10:37 PM
I want him to score 70

lvlheaded
01-24-2014, 10:39 PM
^ same!

siix
01-24-2014, 10:39 PM
62 and its over

b@llhog24
01-24-2014, 10:40 PM
Damn, goes to show why you shouldn't overlook games.

DreamShaker
01-24-2014, 10:43 PM
I woulda kept him in. Even MJ never got 70.

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-24-2014, 10:44 PM
62 points, 13 rebounds, 0 turnovers.

Finally a Knick now owns the record for most points scored at the Garden.

Teeboy1487
01-24-2014, 10:46 PM
NBA heating up now after a boring start. Melo is awesome. Imagine Sunday against the Lakers terrible defense :speechless:.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 10:47 PM
I woulda kept him in. Even MJ never got 70.

After Rose's injury against the 76ers aint no coach leaving a superstar player in under those circumstances lol

Raps08-09 Champ
01-24-2014, 10:47 PM
62 points, 13 rebounds, 0 turnovers.

Finally a Knick now owns the record for most points scored at the Garden.

People actually keep track of scoring records by arena?

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-24-2014, 10:47 PM
Durant, lbj, melo. Lets go!

benzni
01-24-2014, 10:48 PM
I was hoping they would keep him in and let him score. I hate the knicks but you can't overlook a game like that. Props to Melo

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-24-2014, 10:48 PM
People actually keep track of scoring records by arena?

Yessir.
That's why he was left in and immediately taken out the moment he got the record lol

shep33
01-24-2014, 10:49 PM
Crazy, awesome game.

I will say, he had no business playing 39 minutes though

Baller1
01-24-2014, 10:49 PM
When do Melo and KD matchup next? They'll probably go for 70 a piece at this rate.

Raps08-09 Champ
01-24-2014, 10:51 PM
Yessir.
That's why he was left in and immediately taken out the moment he got the record lol

Kinda stupid to keep track by arena but whatever floats people's boat. I can see ESPN's headline now "Melo sets new record at MSG", like MSG is supposed to be in a higher level than every other arena.

2-ONE-5
01-24-2014, 10:51 PM
he and his team still suck

Raps08-09 Champ
01-24-2014, 10:53 PM
Crazy, awesome game.

I will say, he had no business playing 39 minutes though

Teams always play players with high scoring nights all the time even when it's a blowout. Wilt and Kobe played when they were ahead. The team even made it their strategy to make sure those 2 guys stat padded.

hidalgo
01-24-2014, 10:57 PM
they should have let him go for 70. what time did he come out in the 4th?

lvlheaded
01-24-2014, 10:58 PM
he and his team still suck

The bold, absolutely suck. But whether you like Melo or not, to say he sucks is just silly

elledaddy
01-24-2014, 10:59 PM
PSD....... He aint have no assists though!

shep33
01-24-2014, 10:59 PM
Teams always play players with high scoring nights all the time even when it's a blowout. Wilt and Kobe played when they were ahead. The team even made it their strategy to make sure those 2 guys stat padded.

I agree, but this was a 21 point game at half-time, and a 35 point game after 3 lol. Very impressive, don't get me wrong, he's a beast, but if they had a winning record, no way he plays that much.

shep33
01-24-2014, 10:59 PM
Still impressive. Great game Melo :clap:

Beltrans Mole
01-24-2014, 11:02 PM
Melo has that swagger tonight...good lord that was impressive!!! Couldlve dropped 75 if he stayed in unreal!

Slug3
01-24-2014, 11:03 PM
He made like 23 shots. That alone is fantastic.

Jamiecballer
01-24-2014, 11:05 PM
PSD....... He aint have no assists though!

i know you are joking, but anyone? is that a record for most points without an assist? i'm kinda curious on that one.

shep33
01-24-2014, 11:06 PM
He might top this against us on Sunday :laugh:

hidalgo
01-24-2014, 11:07 PM
Melo has that swagger tonight...good lord that was impressive!!! Couldlve dropped 75 if he stayed in unreal!yea he probably could have

PatsSoxKnicks
01-24-2014, 11:09 PM
I woulda kept him in. Even MJ never got 70.

Yeah and it's not like the Knicks are any good so why not let Melo shoot for something like that when the entire season has been one big disappointment. They could use some good press for a change.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 11:10 PM
i know you are joking, but anyone? is that a record for most points without an assist? i'm kinda curious on that one.

He tied the modern era record set by Kobe against Dallas in 05.

championships
01-24-2014, 11:10 PM
Congrats to Melo

shep33
01-24-2014, 11:11 PM
Yeah and it's not like the Knicks are any good so why not let Melo shoot for something like that when the entire season has been one big disappointment. They could use some good press for a change.

I was thinking the same thing. Just let him rip it. If they had a winning record, probably no way he plays more than like 5 mins in the 2nd half.

But they were 12 games below .500, just let him go off. Would have been fun to see him get 70+

tredigs
01-24-2014, 11:12 PM
That is pretty hilarious to put up 62 with NO assists. But who cares, that's his style. That was an epic Melo style performance and epic performance in general.

championships
01-24-2014, 11:14 PM
When your that hot and in the zone, No reason to pass it.

PatsSoxKnicks
01-24-2014, 11:14 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Just let him rip it. If they had a winning record, probably no way he plays more than like 5 mins in the 2nd half.

But they were 12 games below .500, just let him go off. Would have been fun to see him get 70+

Exactly. And it was in MSG too, so you have a fanbase thats paid for suckage, may as well let them witness even more history instead of taking him out. Should've let him stat pad more.

Duncan = Donkey
01-24-2014, 11:15 PM
How many players could score 60 if they took 35 shots? Wowza

PatsSoxKnicks
01-24-2014, 11:15 PM
That is pretty hilarious to put up 62 with NO assists. But who cares, that's his style. That was an epic Melo style performance and epic performance in general.

To be fair, and perhaps even more impressive, he also had NO turnovers. And considering how many times you touch the ball when you shoot that much, that might be more impressive than the 62 points itself (ok, maybe not but still).

I'd be curious to see how many 60+ point games with no turnovers that there have been.

Jamiecballer
01-24-2014, 11:16 PM
i don't care for Melo but that was a hell of a performance

JNA17
01-24-2014, 11:17 PM
Didn't Melo had it in him anymore. Just amazing!

also 13 boards and 0 turnovers but i guess no one cares about that XD.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 11:17 PM
To be fair, and perhaps even more impressive, he also had NO turnovers. And considering how many times you touch the ball when you shoot that much, that might be more impressive than the 62 points itself (ok, maybe not but still).

I'd be curious to see how many 60+ point games with no turnovers that there have been.

None in the last 30 years.

elledaddy
01-24-2014, 11:18 PM
To be fair, and perhaps even more impressive, he also had NO turnovers. And considering how many times you touch the ball when you shoot that much, that might be more impressive than the 62 points itself (ok, maybe not but still).

I'd be curious to see how many 60+ point games with no turnovers that there have been.


none, most ever pts w/o a TO

tredigs
01-24-2014, 11:21 PM
To be fair, and perhaps even more impressive, he also had NO turnovers. And considering how many times you touch the ball when you shoot that much, that might be more impressive than the 62 points itself (ok, maybe not but still).

I'd be curious to see how many 60+ point games with no turnovers that there have been.

Definitely, I think I mentioned that in another thread. It's insane to have that much usage without at least 2 or 3. And I'm not even knocking the assists, I just thought it was funny. Why WOULD you pass it if you're that hot and you're crushing the opposition?

Saw your message btw, I love seeing intuition from eye test meeting hard analysis. The graphwork was almost too convoluted for me at first, but once I got the grasp of each they were really useful for a couple factors I was looking at in some research I was doing of my own. Good stuff.

shep33
01-24-2014, 11:21 PM
Awesome. 0 turnovers.

Pretty spectacular.

Chill_Will_24
01-24-2014, 11:38 PM
How many players could score 60 if they took 35 shots? Wowza

Durant, and Curry. That's it imo

Chill_Will_24
01-24-2014, 11:41 PM
Amazing shooting performance. He was in a zone. He is so gone this summer. So much talent going to waste on such a badly managed team.

If he goes to Chicago and they have a top 10 2014 this summer.. damn!

shep33
01-24-2014, 11:48 PM
Durant, and Curry. That's it imo

Kobe had 61 on 31 shots, 62 on 31 shots.

Right now in the NBA, yeah only KD, Curry and LBJ could do that though, along with Melo

greg_ory_2005
01-24-2014, 11:49 PM
God. Damn.

5ass
01-25-2014, 12:12 AM
Loved it. I domt particularly like melo, but i was hoping he hits 70, turned off the orlando game to watch.

Avenged
01-25-2014, 12:17 AM
Incredible scoring performance.

xabial
01-25-2014, 12:31 AM
I hate the fact that Woodson took him out, what are you ganna do.. If Melo had been "injured" in a "meaningless" game, Woodson knew he would have been "fired"

Melo had a legit chance at 70-80 tonight. He had more than seven minutes left in the 4th quarter and he broke a 30 year old Knick record set by Bernard King in 1984. It was a historic performance, and had a chance to be even more impressive.

I really do not like Woodson for this, Melo ****ing leads the NBA in minutes played.. You couldn't let it go this once?

shep33
01-25-2014, 12:38 AM
I hate the fact that Woodson took him out, what are you ganna do.. If Melo had been "injured" in a "meaningless" game, Woodson knew he would have been "fired"

Melo had a legit chance at 70-80 tonight. He had more than seven minutes left in the 4th quarter and he broke a 30 year old Knick record set by Bernard King in 1984. It was a historic performance, and had a chance to be even more impressive.

I really do not like Woodson for this, Melo ****ing leads the NBA in minutes played.. You couldn't let it go this once?

Yeah, if the Knicks had a winning record, I think it makes sense to sit him. But with their record the way it is, I would've let him gun for 70+

jimm120
01-25-2014, 12:40 AM
Kobe had 61 on 31 shots, 62 on 31 shots.

Right now in the NBA, yeah only KD, Curry and LBJ could do that though, along with Melo

But remember, those players get fouled a TON more than Melo. Well, no, they get fouled almost the same amount, its more that Melo doesn't get a lot of calls because he "pushes past the contact" to try and score/tip it in. Lebron and all those other stars sell the foul and get the call.



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reemy
01-25-2014, 12:57 AM
STAT PADDER, he's playing on a losing team all I see is empty stats

PurpleJesus
01-25-2014, 12:57 AM
Durant, and Curry. That's it imo

Add Bron and Love to that list. Not that it would be likely for them to get it, but its all about efficiency, and Love and Bron are very efficient players on offense.

PurpleJesus
01-25-2014, 12:58 AM
STAT PADDER, he's playing on a losing team all I see is empty stats

:laugh:

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 12:59 AM
Awesome. 0 turnovers.

Pretty spectacular.

He also had a doughnut in the assist department. You cant commit a turnover when all you're doing is shooting.

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 01:01 AM
I hate the fact that Woodson took him out, what are you ganna do.. If Melo had been "injured" in a "meaningless" game, Woodson knew he would have been "fired"

Melo had a legit chance at 70-80 tonight. He had more than seven minutes left in the 4th quarter and he broke a 30 year old Knick record set by Bernard King in 1984. It was a historic performance, and had a chance to be even more impressive.

I really do not like Woodson for this, Melo ****ing leads the NBA in minutes played.. You couldn't let it go this once?

Yea and if they lose tomorrow you guys will chastise Woodson for playing him too many minutes.

They play tomorrow. It was the correct coaching decision even if the fans will hate him for it.

RipCity32
01-25-2014, 01:08 AM
Damn, took a night off From basketball and see this. Very impressive holy **** Melo

xabial
01-25-2014, 01:19 AM
Yea and if they lose tomorrow you guys will chastise Woodson for playing him too many minutes.

They play tomorrow. It was the correct coaching decision even if the fans will hate him for it.

Except this isn't your "typical" game. As I mentioned earlier he broke a 30 year old Knick record set in 1984, and he had a chance to make the night even more special.

He had 62 points with 7+ minutes to go in the 4th. I couldn't care less if they lose tomorrow or if he doesn't play if it comes at the cost of watching Carmelo Anthony score 70-80 points in a game. It was a game for the ages. The guy couldn't miss. He was on fire, hitting 65% field goals and something I will remember for the rest of my life.

In this day and age watching someone score 70-80 points is close to a once in a lifetime experience.

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 01:27 AM
In this day and age watching someone score 70-80 points is close to a once in a lifetime experience.

In this day and age we already saw better than that. Kobe.

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 01:30 AM
Mello is a chkucr. also Not an supor star!!!!

PatsSoxKnicks
01-25-2014, 01:35 AM
Definitely, I think I mentioned that in another thread. It's insane to have that much usage without at least 2 or 3. And I'm not even knocking the assists, I just thought it was funny. Why WOULD you pass it if you're that hot and you're crushing the opposition?

Saw your message btw, I love seeing intuition from eye test meeting hard analysis. The graphwork was almost too convoluted for me at first, but once I got the grasp of each they were really useful for a couple factors I was looking at in some research I was doing of my own. Good stuff.

Especially when your teammates basically all suck.

Which message? And what research are you looking at? May be better if we continue that discussion over VM.

xabial
01-25-2014, 01:38 AM
In this day and age we already saw better than that. Kobe.

Yeah but how many prime Kobe's are there in the NBA? Thats why if you read my comment I said its close to a once in a lifetime experience. Also in that particular game Kobe scored the 2nd most points in NBA history. It seriously doesn't happen a lot when a player is that talented, on fire, and in the zone, where 70 points is a reality yet alone 80, which is why I wanted Carmelo to stay the final 7 minutes of the game and go for it. It was amazing to watch live, and believe it or not I actually think he even had a chance to crack Kobe's 81 points had the coach not taken him out.

PatsSoxKnicks
01-25-2014, 01:44 AM
In this day and age we already saw better than that. Kobe.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=70&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Since Wilt's time, 3 players have scored 70+ points in a game. So even if Kobe did it, don't downplay it's significance. It doesn't happen very often. Unless you want to sit there and tell me that 3 times in 40 years is a lot

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 02:34 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=70&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Since Wilt's time, 3 players have scored 70+ points in a game. So even if Kobe did it, don't downplay it's significance. It doesn't happen very often. Unless you want to sit there and tell me that 3 times in 40 years is a lot
By saying Kobe went past 80 how is that a downplay? If anything its an acknowledgement to the greatness of Kobe. If Melo scored 70, which he didnt, I certainly wouldnt downplay it.

xabial
01-25-2014, 02:46 AM
By saying Kobe went past 80 how is that a downplay? If anything its an acknowledgement to the greatness of Kobe. If Melo scored 70, which he didnt, I certainly wouldnt downplay it.

So then you can actually feel the frustration of us Knicks fans (and anyone else who was watching the game and wanted him to hit 70) when Coach Mike Woodson took him out of the game with more than 7 minutes left to play, when he should have easily reached 70, possibly 80?

xabial
01-25-2014, 02:49 AM
My bad for the double post guys :)

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 02:54 AM
So then you can actually feel the frustration of us Knicks fans (and anyone else who was watching the game and wanted him to hit 70) when Coach Mike Woodson took him out of the game with more than 7 minutes left to play, when he should have easily reached 70, possibly 80?

I do feel that frustration. The same way I felt it when Kobe had 62 in 3 quarters and was mathematically on pace for 83 that night. Maybe it couldve been even more than that for all we know. But he was taken out because the game was a blowout, same for tonight with Melo but it wouldve been nice to see what he wouldve ended up with.

Pierre The Poet
01-25-2014, 03:07 AM
81...nuff said

Pierre The Poet
01-25-2014, 03:09 AM
So then you can actually feel the frustration of us Knicks fans (and anyone else who was watching the game and wanted him to hit 70) when Coach Mike Woodson took him out of the game with more than 7 minutes left to play, when he should have easily reached 70, possibly 80?

They're up by 30...its nonsensical to leave him in...he probably shouldn't have even started the 4th

NYSpirit1
01-25-2014, 03:38 AM
Except this isn't your "typical" game. As I mentioned earlier he broke a 30 year old Knick record set in 1984, and he had a chance to make the night even more special.

He had 62 points with 7+ minutes to go in the 4th. I couldn't care less if they lose tomorrow or if he doesn't play if it comes at the cost of watching Carmelo Anthony score 70-80 points in a game. It was a game for the ages. The guy couldn't miss. He was on fire, hitting 65% field goals and something I will remember for the rest of my life.

In this day and age watching someone score 70-80 points is close to a once in a lifetime experience.

I'm with you here. It's just another reason not to like Woodson. Carmelo was having a night for the ages and they don't have a game tomorrow. They have a game on Sunday.

They took him out with 7 minutes remaining, which if he played another 5, could've probably gotten at least 70.

Bill Simmons made a great point -- only 5 players ever have scored 70 points, Melo was the 21st ever to score 60.

60 is a blow away number, you say wow when you see it, but you've seen it before from Shaq, T-Mac, Iverson, Arenas and Kobe in the past 10 years.

You see 70, you go WHAT?!

It was a really special night, but we've had nothing to play for all year because the team has been shockingly bad. Why not go for 70? Melo was getting tired at the end, but I suspect he would've ended up with 72-74 if he played the rest of the game.

Shame on you Woodson.

metsrock229
01-25-2014, 03:39 AM
Awesome. 0 turnovers.

Pretty spectacular.

He also had a doughnut in the assist department. You cant commit a turnover when all you're doing is shooting.

If you watched the game you would see that he passed and eventually got it back for a catch and shoot. Other times players either missed or made an extra pass for another player to have an open look

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 03:43 AM
Awesome. 0 turnovers.

Pretty spectacular.

He also had a doughnut in the assist department. You cant commit a turnover when all you're doing is shooting.

Was it a glazed face one?

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 04:11 AM
If you watched the game you would see that he passed and eventually got it back for a catch and shoot. Other times players either missed or made an extra pass for another player to have an open look

Zero assists and zero turnovers equals an assist/turnover ratio of zero or a/0. For a special game like that lets talk about something actually impressive like his efficient scoring 23/35 from the field and 10/10 from the FT line would be a nice start.

tredigs
01-25-2014, 05:13 AM
Zero assists and zero turnovers equals an assist/turnover ratio of zero or a/0. For a special game like that lets talk about something actually impressive like his efficient scoring 23/35 from the field and 10/10 from the FT line would be a nice start.
Many ways to rack up turnovers other than passes that lead directly to assists. Let's not be ridiculous here, 0 turnovers with that much Usage is very impressive, 0 assists or not.

kobe4thewinbang
01-25-2014, 05:15 AM
35 shots is concerning, but hey, new record. Beat my man Kobe...haha.

Was he exhausted by that point with 7 minutes to go in the game, or do you think he could've scored more?

2-ONE-5
01-25-2014, 07:08 AM
The bold, absolutely suck. But whether you like Melo or not, to say he sucks is just silly

ZERO assists. the only reason he had 0 turnovers is bcuz the ball only left his hand to shoot!

NYYCowboys
01-25-2014, 07:20 AM
Somebody please trade for him.... Put us out of our misery with this team.

IDunknown
01-25-2014, 07:21 AM
Melo was tired. He said he didn't want to even try for 62,but his teammates made him.

IDunknown
01-25-2014, 07:22 AM
ZERO assists. the only reason he had 0 turnovers is bcuz the ball only left his hand to shoot!
He didn't record an assist,but he was passing the ball.He made the proper pass every time he got doubled.

NYKNYGNYY
01-25-2014, 07:26 AM
I wanted him to hit 82 to top Kobe but I well lol I'm happy

Drummond#1
01-25-2014, 07:47 AM
You give KD, Curry, or Goerge 35 shots when they're hot and they'll put up 70. He's just trying to up his value. What about the other 44 games this season?

Drummond#1
01-25-2014, 07:49 AM
I looked at all the guys who scored 60 in a game earlier. Melo is by far the least talented. The gap between him and the Iceman is shortest but then it is a steady and steep fall.

Swashcuff
01-25-2014, 08:14 AM
ZERO assists. the only reason he had 0 turnovers is bcuz the ball only left his hand to shoot!


You give KD, Curry, or Goerge 35 shots when they're hot and they'll put up 70. He's just trying to up his value. What about the other 44 games this season?

These two posts seem like nothing but bitterness and ignorance.

Jamiecballer
01-25-2014, 08:38 AM
I'm with you here. It's just another reason not to like Woodson. Carmelo was having a night for the ages and they don't have a game tomorrow. They have a game on Sunday.

They took him out with 7 minutes remaining, which if he played another 5, could've probably gotten at least 70.

Bill Simmons made a great point -- only 5 players ever have scored 70 points, Melo was the 21st ever to score 60.

60 is a blow away number, you say wow when you see it, but you've seen it before from Shaq, T-Mac, Iverson, Arenas and Kobe in the past 10 years.

You see 70, you go WHAT?!

It was a really special night, but we've had nothing to play for all year because the team has been shockingly bad. Why not go for 70? Melo was getting tired at the end, but I suspect he would've ended up with 72-74 if he played the rest of the game.

Shame on you Woodson.
Yeah, cause that's what is important. To hell with being responsible to the Knicks organization.

Jaded
01-25-2014, 08:50 AM
You give KD, Curry, or Goerge 35 shots when they're hot and they'll put up 70. He's just trying to up his value. What about the other 44 games this season?

Bitterness, Bitterness, Bitterness is all i see in this post.

jaji10
01-25-2014, 09:06 AM
wow, this is already a big deal for the knicks, 62 points in 39mins.. shouldnt even let melo play in the 4th.. they were up by 35!! good thing melo didnt get injured in the 4th with the game already decided ala derrick rose.. guessing knicks need some kind of positive news with all the struggles 1st half of the season... kobe scored 62 against the mavs and 56 against the grizzlies in 3qrts.. but didnt enter the 4th in both games coz they were already up by a big margin.. no need for stat padding.. knicks knicks knicks..

Drummond#1
01-25-2014, 09:53 AM
wow, this is already a big deal for the knicks, 62 points in 39mins.. shouldnt even let melo play in the 4th.. they were up by 35!! good thing melo didnt get injured in the 4th with the game already decided ala derrick rose.. guessing knicks need some kind of positive news with all the struggles 1st half of the season... kobe scored 62 against the mavs and 56 against the grizzlies in 3qrts.. but didnt enter the 4th in both games coz they were already up by a big margin.. no need for stat padding.. knicks knicks knicks..

Exactly. I'm a Pistons fan... I'm passed being bitter. You Knicks fans just need to embrace that you're franchise is a joke and your "star" player just played his *** off to increase his FA value. Bitterness ended for me two years ago. I am one step removed from wearing a paper bag over my head while posting. The Knicks suck... The Pistons suck. I'm just willing to embrace it rather than stare at empty individual performances.

Drummond#1
01-25-2014, 09:56 AM
Awesome Melo scored 62! But his team still sucks and he squandered his career with selfishness and poor decisions. Teaming up with Wade gets you rings... Teaming up with JR gets you drug offenses.

Jaded
01-25-2014, 10:11 AM
Exactly. I'm a Pistons fan... I'm passed being bitter. You Knicks fans just need to embrace that you're franchise is a joke and your "star" player just played his *** off to increase his FA value. Bitterness ended for me two years ago. I am one step removed from wearing a paper bag over my head while posting. The Knicks suck... The Pistons suck. I'm just willing to embrace it rather than stare at empty individual performances.

Why can't people ****ing appreciate a performance like this, seriously.
These kind of 60+ points performance don't come very often, whatever team they belong to doesn't matter.
He may have some questionable decisions most of the time, but Melo played his *** off since the start of this season every single game.
We Knicks fans get it, the Knicks franchise are run buy a bunch of clueless clowns, our team SUCKS this season no doubt.
But no Knick fan are posting "OMG, KNICKS #1" in this thread are they?
This thread is about his performance tonight: Wade, PG, Curry etc are IRRELEVANT to this thread.
Don't like it? Don't post then, you're just coming off as pressed and with lots of bitterness.


Awesome Melo scored 62! But his team still sucks and he squandered his career with selfishness and poor decisions. Teaming up with Wade gets you rings... Teaming up with JR gets you drug offenses.

Bitterness. Irrelevant to the topic at hand. Bitterness. Bitterness.

lamzoka
01-25-2014, 11:33 AM
For those of you saying he had 0 ast, he's a chucker. **** all of ya. if you watch the game you'll see he didn't force anything. He tortured whoever was guarding him in the first half, and when they started to double him in the 2nd half, he passed the ball out of the double team and got it back. PSD is such a ****ing joke. I understand you hate the guy and the team he plays for but give props where props are due. its only about 3-4 players that could put up that type performance like last nite.

62 PTS 23/35 ---- 10/10 FT ----- 6/11 From 3
13 RBS
0 TO
0 AST
ALL in 38 mints


This thread is simply about last night's performance, nothing else. If you wanna hate, just start a "I hate Melo and the Knicks" thread.

IKnowHoops
01-25-2014, 12:04 PM
I woulda kept him in. Even MJ never got 70.

Its tough to get to Drob level

IKnowHoops
01-25-2014, 12:11 PM
No reason to hate right now. When your that hot, you don't need any asst or reb to validate your performance as a dominant one. Melo is great at scoring. He proved it last night. When he gets hot, he's as unstoppable as anyone. Yes sometimes his mentality as a scorer doesn't yield great results, like Kobe, live Iverson, but all three are hall of famers so lets give Melo his props today. Don't worry haters, you'll have plenty of future opportunities of deserved hating on Melo, but today is not one of them.

Jamiecballer
01-25-2014, 12:21 PM
so let's talk motivation, and maybe this is a question best answered by Knick fans:

do we think this is a statement game from Carmelo after that rumour from Michael Kay started floating around the interwebs that his team was tired of his act? i mean, people hear things right?

ManningToTyree
01-25-2014, 12:38 PM
Only player in the league capable of scoring 60 and still gets more hate than love in the thread about it.

ManningToTyree
01-25-2014, 12:41 PM
Awesome Melo scored 62! But his team still sucks and he squandered his career with selfishness and poor decisions. Teaming up with Wade gets you rings... Teaming up with JR gets you drug offenses. did I miss a melo arrest? I get your point but don't talk out of your ***. Melo stays out of trouble.

dwoyo
01-25-2014, 01:14 PM
Scoring performances like these should never be hated on, regardless of team record, who the opponent was, and especially whether or not the player has won a ring or not. This is the NBA, the highest level of basketball in the world, and any player that is able to score three-fifths of your team's points should be highly appreciated. Kudos to you, Melo.

Fun Fact: Charlotte Bobcats defense came into last night's game as the 6th overall best defense in the league (allowing just 97 PPG)

ewing
01-25-2014, 01:19 PM
Scoring performances like these should never be hated on, regardless of team record, who the opponent was, and especially whether or not the player has won a ring or not. This is the NBA, the highest level of basketball in the world, and any player that is able to score three-fifths of your team's points should be highly appreciated. Kudos to you, Melo.

Fun Fact: Charlotte Bobcats defense came into last night's game as the 6th overall best defense in the league (allowing just 97 PPG)

good post

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 01:23 PM
Not trying to take anything away from Melo's game but it was against the Bobcats, and Melo needed 62 to just beat the bobcats. Yeah he was hot but most guys when they are hot like to pass the ball, I mean if everytime Kobe,Durant,Lebron were hot they would pass the ball atleast. Melo had zero assists. Guys like Durant,Kobe,Lebron could put up 60+ if they wanted to, but basketball is a team game. And I doubt they play in 4th qrt up 30 to just break a team record.

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 01:26 PM
For those of you saying he had 0 ast, he's a chucker. **** all of ya. if you watch the game you'll see he didn't force anything. He tortured whoever was guarding him in the first half, and when they started to double him in the 2nd half, he passed the ball out of the double team and got it back. PSD is such a ****ing joke. I understand you hate the guy and the team he plays for but give props where props are due. its only about 3-4 players that could put up that type performance like last nite.

62 PTS 23/35 ---- 10/10 FT ----- 6/11 From 3
13 RBS
0 TO
0 AST
ALL in 38 mints


This thread is simply about last night's performance, nothing else. If you wanna hate, just start a "I hate Melo and the Knicks" thread.

He IS as chucker. A lot of the shots he made were ISO tough shots many vs great defense by MKG who is generally heralded as an excellent defender.

He was in a zone tonight. Many nights his chucking hurts his team. Some times his chucking doesn't hurt them much. Rare times like about as rare as you could imagine his chucking becomes a things of beauty because he simply couldn't miss.

For one day Melo deserves the adoration of his fans. His chucking turned into an amazing shooting display that reminds ppl why he is a top 10 player.

Let's see if his chucking and selfish play can turn into another similar performance vs the horrible Lakers. It's very possible.

He is shooting 44% on 22fga per game with an insane USG% of 31%. That is the definition of a chucker. That he finally caught lightning in a bottle last night doesn't change that.

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 01:29 PM
Not trying to take anything away from Melo's game but it was against the Bobcats, and Melo needed 62 to just beat the bobcats. Yeah he was hot but most guys when they are hot like to pass the ball, I mean if everytime Kobe,Durant,Lebron were hot they would pass the ball atleast. Melo had zero assists. Guys like Durant,Kobe,Lebron could put up 60+ if they wanted to, but basketball is a team game. And I doubt they play in 4th qrt up 30 to just break a team record.

Yea because you werent peeing in your pajamas last season when Deron dropped 57 on these same Bobcats

This was a performance for the ages. For once in your miserable pathetic little life give props when they are due.

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 01:36 PM
Yea because you werent peeing in your pajamas last season when Deron dropped 57 on these same Bobcats

This was a performance for the ages. For once in your miserable pathetic little life give props when they are due.

I always would love when you would do this, try to act like an unbiased fan (purposely) so people get a different perception of you, like you are some all around basketball fan and people wont rip on you. This performance by Melo was a B- in my book, it was a meaningless game, when Knicks are a 15 win team, against another bad team, against a bad team already without Kemba. If it was a playoff game or a game against the Heat give me a call. But it was the bobcats, in 10 yrs im sure everyone will be talking about that time the 15 win Knicks led by Carmelo and company beat the bobcats and Melo scored 62. If this is a perfomance of the ages, then basketball and NBA is in the dumps right now.

Jamiecballer
01-25-2014, 01:37 PM
He IS as chucker. A lot of the shots he made were ISO tough shots many vs great defense by MKG who is generally heralded as an excellent defender.

He was in a zone tonight. Many nights his chucking hurts his team. Some times his chucking doesn't hurt them much. Rare times like about as rare as you could imagine his chucking becomes a things of beauty because he simply couldn't miss.

For one day Melo deserves the adoration of his fans. His chucking turned into an amazing shooting display that reminds ppl why he is a top 10 player.

Let's see if his chucking and selfish play can turn into another similar performance vs the horrible Lakers. It's very possible.

He is shooting 44% on 22fga per game with an insane USG% of 31%. That is the definition of a chucker. That he finally caught lightning in a bottle last night doesn't change that.

very well said. don't agree with the top 10 part but everything else i am completely in agreement with.

he put on quite a show.

Pierre The Poet
01-25-2014, 01:46 PM
You give KD, Curry, or Goerge 35 shots when they're hot and they'll put up 70. He's just trying to up his value. What about the other 44 games this season?

That's dumb...you can say what if about anyone. 62 is 62.

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 01:53 PM
Yea because you werent peeing in your pajamas last season when Deron dropped 57 on these same Bobcats

This was a performance for the ages. For once in your miserable pathetic little life give props when they are due.

I always would love when you would do this, try to act like an unbiased fan (purposely) so people get a different perception of you, like you are some all around basketball fan and people wont rip on you. This performance by Melo was a B- in my book, it was a meaningless game, when Knicks are a 15 win team, against another bad team, against a bad team already without Kemba. If it was a playoff game or a game against the Heat give me a call. But it was the bobcats, in 10 yrs im sure everyone will be talking about that time the 15 win Knicks led by Carmelo and company beat the bobcats and Melo scored 62. If this is a perfomance of the ages, then basketball and NBA is in the dumps right now.

He is not gonna do this vs the Heat. I think people all know Melo disappears when it counts. He is a perennial playoff loser.

How does that change what he did here? How many threads did you start when Deron did this last year vs these same Bobcats?

Oh and thats real cute and all but check my post count. I barely post. I could care less what you or anyone else on here thinks of me. Does my sig LOOK like that of an unbiased fan? I am as biased as anyone.

But even the most bias fan can take off the shades and give props when they are due. That is unless you're a brain dead inbred like yourself.

D-Leethal
01-25-2014, 02:07 PM
Melo always goes to work on the Heat. Dude dropped 50 on them last year. Only Melo will draw this type of ire after dropping 62-13. Hating on this says plenty more about you than anyone else.

lamzoka
01-25-2014, 02:08 PM
I always would love when you would do this, try to act like an unbiased fan (purposely) so people get a different perception of you, like you are some all around basketball fan and people wont rip on you. This performance by Melo was a B- in my book, it was a meaningless game, when Knicks are a 15 win team, against another bad team, against a bad team already without Kemba. If it was a playoff game or a game against the Heat give me a call. But it was the bobcats, in 10 yrs im sure everyone will be talking about that time the 15 win Knicks led by Carmelo and company beat the bobcats and Melo scored 62. If this is a perfomance of the ages, then basketball and NBA is in the dumps right now.


I usually don't indulge in ur idiotic posts . But you're talking like Melo didn't drop 50 on the heat last year. He's better than any player on ur favorite team. Get a life and stop hating on the kid.

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 02:10 PM
He is not gonna do this vs the Heat. I think people all know Melo disappears when it counts. He is a perennial playoff loser.

How does that change what he did here? How many threads did you start when Deron did this last year vs these same Bobcats?

Oh and thats real cute and all but check my post count. I barely post. I could care less what you or anyone else on here thinks of me. Does my sig LOOK like that of an unbiased fan? I am as biased as anyone.

But even the most bias fan can take off the shades and give props when they are due. That is unless you're a brain dead inbred like yourself.

Because it was the bobcats and a game that really had no significance I give it a B-. That yr Deron did it look at the roster around him, atleast Melo even with the injuries Knicks have had talent around him. People that command respect on the 3 point line like Felton and JR and Hardaway. That yr Deron did it he was playing with Stevenson,Shelden Williams, Marshon starting.

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 02:14 PM
I usually don't indulge in ur idiotic posts . But you're talking like Melo didn't drop 50 on the heat last year. He's better than any player on ur favorite team. Get a life and stop hating on the kid.

even if he is such a great player like you say, why does his team have 15 wins? Cant remember a time Durant or LeBron had 15 wins at this point in time. It wouldnt happen. His lack of passing hurts his team, it gets nobody involved, so yeah he puts up the numbers but his team doesnt win. 62 points zero assists is definition of selfish. The dude is on a 15 win team, he doesnt do anything playoff wise and everything on the court is a joke to him. Knicks are down 25 points and he has a smile on his face. Any real competor isnt doing that.

Chill_Will_24
01-25-2014, 02:24 PM
He is not gonna do this vs the Heat. I think people all know Melo disappears when it counts. He is a perennial playoff loser.

How does that change what he did here? How many threads did you start when Deron did this last year vs these same Bobcats?

Oh and thats real cute and all but check my post count. I barely post. I could care less what you or anyone else on here thinks of me. Does my sig LOOK like that of an unbiased fan? I am as biased as anyone.

But even the most bias fan can take off the shades and give props when they are due. That is unless you're a brain dead inbred like yourself.

Because it was the bobcats and a game that really had no significance I give it a B-. That yr Deron did it look at the roster around him, atleast Melo even with the injuries Knicks have had talent around him. People that command respect on the 3 point line like Felton and JR and Hardaway. That yr Deron did it he was playing with Stevenson,Shelden Williams, Marshon starting.

Lmao do you have any clue at all??

Go and ask Knicks fans how much respect Felton deserves. They want him gone. Shump has been in a slump all year. Bags is shooting like 25% from 3. Hardaway is streaky and inconsistent. They have been worse with Tyson since his return. Smith is just now coming out of his slump.

What good players do the Knicks have right now that are so much better than what the Nets had? Melo is surrounded by crap this year. Check the numbers. Not a single respectable player there outside Melo. The system sucks, the coach sucks, and his teammates suck.

His style of play is horrible basketball. It's not winning basketball and that's why the Knicks suck but for one night Melo's chucking helped the team. Give him props for a great scoring display.

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 02:37 PM
Lmao do you have any clue at all??

Go and ask Knicks fans how much respect Felton deserves. They want him gone. Shump has been in a slump all year. Bags is shooting like 25% from 3. Hardaway is streaky and inconsistent. They have been worse with Tyson since his return. Smith is just now coming out of his slump.

What good players do the Knicks have right now that are so much better than what the Nets had? Melo is surrounded by crap this year. Check the numbers. Not a single respectable player there outside Melo. The system sucks, the coach sucks, and his teammates suck.

His style of play is horrible basketball. It's not winning basketball and that's why the Knicks suck but for one night Melo's chucking helped the team. Give him props for a great scoring display.

as bad as they all are, which I agree. They still command respect. No team is leaving Felton at the 3 point line and letting him shoot. Same with others I mentioned. Deron also managed 7 assists so he had more of an impact on that game than Melo did last night. Melo was dead tired in 4th could barely get 62. So if they had left him in you might get 70 out of him but he would have had to shoot a lot. Smith and Felton have a track record in the NBA they are known and can hurt the opponent at times. Stevenson that yr was shooting in like the 20% range, Shelden was a career bust and Marshon had no jump shot. Deron was being trapped the entire game and still put up 57. Deron's game was on the road aswell, Melo atleast had crowd behind him. I dont know how you can argue that Deron's supporting cast that game was better than Melo's last night.

SINCESTARBURY25
01-25-2014, 03:02 PM
What a disgrace getting 60 points wow should have shot 4-25

NYJ - NYY
01-25-2014, 03:04 PM
Lmao do you have any clue at all??

Go and ask Knicks fans how much respect Felton deserves. They want him gone. Shump has been in a slump all year. Bags is shooting like 25% from 3. Hardaway is streaky and inconsistent. They have been worse with Tyson since his return. Smith is just now coming out of his slump.

What good players do the Knicks have right now that are so much better than what the Nets had? Melo is surrounded by crap this year. Check the numbers. Not a single respectable player there outside Melo. The system sucks, the coach sucks, and his teammates suck.

His style of play is horrible basketball. It's not winning basketball and that's why the Knicks suck but for one night Melo's chucking helped the team. Give him props for a great scoring display.

as bad as they all are, which I agree. They still command respect. No team is leaving Felton at the 3 point line and letting him shoot. Same with others I mentioned. Deron also managed 7 assists so he had more of an impact on that game than Melo did last night. Melo was dead tired in 4th could barely get 62. So if they had left him in you might get 70 out of him but he would have had to shoot a lot. Smith and Felton have a track record in the NBA they are known and can hurt the opponent at times. Stevenson that yr was shooting in like the 20% range, Shelden was a career bust and Marshon had no jump shot. Deron was being trapped the entire game and still put up 57. Deron's game was on the road aswell, Melo atleast had crowd behind him. I dont know how you can argue that Deron's supporting cast that game was better than Melo's last night.
I hate you

JNA17
01-25-2014, 03:07 PM
These two posts seem like nothing but bitterness and ignorance.

My Lakers fans in another forum are like that too.

Jesus Christ people IT'S 62 ****ING POINTS!!! That's insane! My favorite player Kobe had 1 assist in his 61 point game and pretty much any player that scores that amount of points will get very low amount of assists. Who the hell cares? IT'S 62 POINTS!

The **** people like to spew out these days.

True Sports Fan
01-25-2014, 03:08 PM
Yeah man, this guy is a scrub! I'm sure all you guys talking **** can score 62 too.

JNA17
01-25-2014, 03:09 PM
I hate you

I thought DoMeFavors was perma banned. What the hell mods get that guy off the forums. 0_0

lamzoka
01-25-2014, 04:57 PM
Because it was the bobcats and a game that really had no significance I give it a B-. That yr Deron did it look at the roster around him, atleast Melo even with the injuries Knicks have had talent around him. People that command respect on the 3 point line like Felton and JR and Hardaway. That yr Deron did it he was playing with Stevenson,Shelden Williams, Marshon starting.

How many times Joe Johnson scored 17-20 Pts in the first quarter, but barely reach 30 Pts for the game. Shiiit ain't easy bro, but you're too stupid to see it

PowerHouse
01-25-2014, 05:24 PM
Many ways to rack up turnovers other than passes that lead directly to assists. Let's not be ridiculous here, 0 turnovers with that much Usage is very impressive, 0 assists or not.

Not putting anything down, simply shifting attention to the more impressive stats. Nothing ridiculous about it.

IBleedPurple
01-25-2014, 06:19 PM
did I miss a melo arrest? I get your point but don't talk out of your ***. Melo stays out of trouble.

He was detained at Denver Int'l Airport with pot. Lucky for him, his friend took the blame. But your point still stands.

jimm120
01-25-2014, 06:20 PM
even if he is such a great player like you say, why does his team have 15 wins? Cant remember a time Durant or LeBron had 15 wins at this point in time. It wouldnt happen. His lack of passing hurts his team, it gets nobody involved, so yeah he puts up the numbers but his team doesnt win. 62 points zero assists is definition of selfish. The dude is on a 15 win team, he doesnt do anything playoff wise and everything on the court is a joke to him. Knicks are down 25 points and he has a smile on his face. Any real competor isnt doing that.

Lebron definitely when he started out.
Durant also during the Seattle days.

Melo, in fact, is the ONLY one of those guys that came into the league and lead a horrible team that had the #3 pick the year before to the playoffs instantly.

Just saying, lol.

Ill21
01-25-2014, 06:26 PM
he and his team still suck

Melo is great
The Knicks suck

DoMeFavors
01-25-2014, 06:45 PM
Lebron definitely when he started out.
Durant also during the Seattle days.

Melo, in fact, is the ONLY one of those guys that came into the league and lead a horrible team that had the #3 pick the year before to the playoffs instantly.

Just saying, lol.

Not during their prime years, and Melo was brought to the Nuggets that yr along with Andre Miller and others.

PatsSoxKnicks
01-25-2014, 09:54 PM
He IS as chucker. A lot of the shots he made were ISO tough shots many vs great defense by MKG who is generally heralded as an excellent defender.

He was in a zone tonight. Many nights his chucking hurts his team. Some times his chucking doesn't hurt them much. Rare times like about as rare as you could imagine his chucking becomes a things of beauty because he simply couldn't miss.

For one day Melo deserves the adoration of his fans. His chucking turned into an amazing shooting display that reminds ppl why he is a top 10 player.

Let's see if his chucking and selfish play can turn into another similar performance vs the horrible Lakers. It's very possible.

He is shooting 44% on 22fga per game with an insane USG% of 31%. That is the definition of a chucker. That he finally caught lightning in a bottle last night doesn't change that.

Your definition of chucker is wrong. Although I suppose that is up for opinion but your use of stats isn't. Poor understanding of what constitutes a good statistic and how to use it, which is why statistics get a bad name by many.

Anyways, a chucker is a player whose efficiency is below average with a high usage rate. Carmelo's 55.2% TS% is not below league average and actually is 5th on the team behind 4 players who have played 500-800 mins. Of those 4 players, one is the highly efficient Tyson Chandler who will never shoot more than necessary and can't up his usage rate due to his limited game. Another is Pablo Prigioni, basically the same. Then Amare and Hardaway, one is a rookie and the other has knee problems. Neither can really afford to jack up a ton of shots. After that it's Carmelo, despite his high usage rate. That obviously says more about the Knicks (and how bad they are) than Carmelo. But his teammates that get significant run- like Bargs, Shumpert and JR- all have worse TS%'s than Melo. So I doubt passing the ball to those guys is a good alternative.

Anyways, I wouldn't call a 55.2% TS% with a 31.7 USG rate a chucker when considering the efficiency/usage combination and especially when considering the porous cast around him. There've been worse seasons than that and I doubt anyone called Melo a chucker last year when his TS% was about 1% higher but his USG was about 4 points higher. He has had seasons in the past where he's bordered on chucking but this year is definitely not one of them.

Anyways, the definition of chucker has to fall as below league average TS% and the USG has to be higher than justified. Or you could use ORtg- Melo's is 112, about 6 points above league average- and measure that with the USG-efficiency tradeoff. Usually, you get about 1 point in ORtg for a 1 point increase in USG. Again, Melo falls short of being below league average.

Here's a list of the most extreme chuckers this year:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ts_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.50&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct

Or could increase the threshold on TS% to 53% to get this list:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ts_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.53&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct

Swashcuff
01-25-2014, 10:08 PM
A dude goes off for one of the most amazing scoring performances anyone of us will ever see and what's the response. He's a chucker, he doesn't pass, he sucks, the knicks suck.

As far as I am concerned all you haters and ignoramuses can suck it. Real recognize real Melo had an AMAZING night and should be appreciated for it. Only those who have nothing good to say want to downplay his performance.

Chill_Will_24
01-26-2014, 12:45 AM
He IS as chucker. A lot of the shots he made were ISO tough shots many vs great defense by MKG who is generally heralded as an excellent defender.

He was in a zone tonight. Many nights his chucking hurts his team. Some times his chucking doesn't hurt them much. Rare times like about as rare as you could imagine his chucking becomes a things of beauty because he simply couldn't miss.

For one day Melo deserves the adoration of his fans. His chucking turned into an amazing shooting display that reminds ppl why he is a top 10 player.

Let's see if his chucking and selfish play can turn into another similar performance vs the horrible Lakers. It's very possible.

He is shooting 44% on 22fga per game with an insane USG% of 31%. That is the definition of a chucker. That he finally caught lightning in a bottle last night doesn't change that.

Your definition of chucker is wrong. Although I suppose that is up for opinion but your use of stats isn't. Poor understanding of what constitutes a good statistic and how to use it, which is why statistics get a bad name by many.

Anyways, a chucker is a player whose efficiency is below average with a high usage rate. Carmelo's 55.2% TS% is not below league average and actually is 5th on the team behind 4 players who have played 500-800 mins. Of those 4 players, one is the highly efficient Tyson Chandler who will never shoot more than necessary and can't up his usage rate due to his limited game. Another is Pablo Prigioni, basically the same. Then Amare and Hardaway, one is a rookie and the other has knee problems. Neither can really afford to jack up a ton of shots. After that it's Carmelo, despite his high usage rate. That obviously says more about the Knicks (and how bad they are) than Carmelo. But his teammates that get significant run- like Bargs, Shumpert and JR- all have worse TS%'s than Melo. So I doubt passing the ball to those guys is a good alternative.

Anyways, I wouldn't call a 55.2% TS% with a 31.7 USG rate a chucker when considering the efficiency/usage combination and especially when considering the porous cast around him. There've been worse seasons than that and I doubt anyone called Melo a chucker last year when his TS% was about 1% higher but his USG was about 4 points higher. He has had seasons in the past where he's bordered on chucking but this year is definitely not one of them.

Anyways, the definition of chucker has to fall as below league average TS% and the USG has to be higher than justified. Or you could use ORtg- Melo's is 112, about 6 points above league average- and measure that with the USG-efficiency tradeoff. Usually, you get about 1 point in ORtg for a 1 point increase in USG. Again, Melo falls short of being below league average.

Here's a list of the most extreme chuckers this year:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ts_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.50&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct

Or could increase the threshold on TS% to 53% to get this list:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ts_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.53&c2stat=usg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct

That is YOUR definition of a "chucker" , not mine. Your interpretation of stats and numbers is not the same as mine. FGA plus eye test is for the most part how I determine my opinion of what a "chucker" is.

There is no definition. It's a vague term similar to "soft" and "clutch". I have by way of deciding what I think and you have yours

IDunknown
01-26-2014, 01:04 AM
I always would love when you would do this, try to act like an unbiased fan (purposely) so people get a different perception of you, like you are some all around basketball fan and people wont rip on you. This performance by Melo was a B- in my book, it was a meaningless game, when Knicks are a 15 win team, against another bad team, against a bad team already without Kemba. If it was a playoff game or a game against the Heat give me a call. But it was the bobcats, in 10 yrs im sure everyone will be talking about that time the 15 win Knicks led by Carmelo and company beat the bobcats and Melo scored 62. If this is a perfomance of the ages, then basketball and NBA is in the dumps right now.

Kobe's 81 was against the Raptors.Wilt's 100 wasn't a playoff game.Jordan's 55 on the Knicks wasn't a playoff game.Those weren't great performances?

PowerHouse
01-26-2014, 04:10 AM
I looked at all the guys who scored 60 in a game earlier. Melo is by far the least talented. The gap between him and the Iceman is shortest but then it is a steady and steep fall.

No way is Gilbert Arenas more talented than Melo. That scrub couldnt even last in the league.

Pierre The Poet
01-26-2014, 07:25 PM
I dude goes off for one of the most amazing scoring performances anyone of us will ever see and what's the response. He's a chucker, he doesn't pass, he sucks, the knicks suck.

As far as I am concerned all you haters and ignoramuses can suck it. Real recognize real Melo had an AMAZING night and should be appreciated for it. Only those who have nothing good to say want to downplay his performance.

Yeah he had a great night, great great great great offensive player. No doubt about that.

nickdymez
01-27-2014, 06:54 PM
People actually keep track of scoring records by arena?

In meaningful legendary arenas, yes.

nickdymez
01-27-2014, 06:55 PM
That is YOUR definition of a "chucker" , not mine. Your interpretation of stats and numbers is not the same as mine. FGA plus eye test is for the most part how I determine my opinion of what a "chucker" is.

There is no definition. It's a vague term similar to "soft" and "clutch". I have by way of deciding what I think and you have yours

Perfect post

nickdymez
01-27-2014, 06:57 PM
A dude goes off for one of the most amazing scoring performances anyone of us will ever see and what's the response. He's a chucker, he doesn't pass, he sucks, the knicks suck.

As far as I am concerned all you haters and ignoramuses can suck it. Real recognize real Melo had an AMAZING night and should be appreciated for it. Only those who have nothing good to say want to downplay his performance.

Another perfect post. Exactly the way I feel.

NYJ - NYY
01-27-2014, 09:48 PM
Wow lol people can't just say good job 62 points enjoy the record? You ****in clowns have to hate on something so stupid

NBA_Starter
01-27-2014, 09:54 PM
He put it on my boys for sure, it was very impressive.

JordansBulls
01-27-2014, 10:35 PM
This guy is just on another level right now.

PatsSoxKnicks
01-27-2014, 11:08 PM
That is YOUR definition of a "chucker" , not mine. Your interpretation of stats and numbers is not the same as mine. FGA plus eye test is for the most part how I determine my opinion of what a "chucker" is.

There is no definition. It's a vague term similar to "soft" and "clutch". I have by way of deciding what I think and you have yours

Read my post again. I initially said your definition was wrong but then backtracked and said the exact definition could be up for opinion HOWEVER your use of statistics and justification for your definition of "chucker" was wrong. Using FGA is naive and shows a lack of basketball understanding. Why? If you really need me to explain why- that's kind of sad. For one, a 3 point shot is worth more than a 2 point shot. So when you use FG%, you're incorrectly weighting 2s and 3s the same. Additionally, FGAs doesn't include FTs, which is a skill that is a part of scoring. Something which Carmelo does above league average (way above actually). This should factor into how you measure efficiency. You may have a different definition of what TS% constitutes a "chucker" (my post even referenced 2 different definitions at the end with <50% TS% and <53% TS%) BUT you can't use flawed statistics and a flawed process and pass it off as a credible opinion. Because it's not.

You're right, my interpretation of stats and numbers is much superior. Because I actually know how to interpret statistics and numbers, something which a number of people don't know how to do- which is what gives stats a bad name. Either people just refuse to look at stats because they are too dumb to understand it. Or they just don't understand how to interpret statistics properly. Obviously some can actually use and understand it. And there are quite a few on this site. But a lot of people don't.

As for your so called eye test, I could say thats extremely flawed because you watch with biased eyes (against Carmelo). You could obviously say the same for me except my definition of a chucker is rooted in sound statistical facts. If Carmelo fell on the other end of my definition (TS% < league average, >20 USG rate), then he'd be a chucker. And I'm not even arguing that Carmelo hasn't been a chucker in the past, because I think thats an argument that could be made but this year? His efficiency is pretty solid for such a high USG rate. And if you're wondering why his USG rate is so high, well look no further than the crap on his team. As I mentioned in my post, he's 4th on his team in TS%. And the guys ahead of him are limited in offensive game and haven't even played more than 1000 minutes.

By all means, call Carmelo a chucker but that also means you have to call about a quarter of the league chuckers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=advanced&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=mp_per_g_req&c1stat=ts_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.551&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct&order_by_asc=&offset=0

including both Pierce and Garnett, who I'm sure you'll vehemently deny are chuckers.