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Stunner
01-23-2014, 08:12 PM
West

Curry
Kobe
KD
Griffin
Love

John Walls Era
01-23-2014, 08:21 PM
I'm assuming you mean Love and Parker got snubbed.

Surprised Dwight is starting. Guess fans enjoy watching terrible post moves and missed FTs.

LTBaByyy
01-23-2014, 08:21 PM
CP3
Harden
Parker
Howard
Aldridge
Dirk
Cousins

Will be the reserves

sammyvine
01-23-2014, 08:22 PM
Lamarcus A should be a starter imo

SPURSFAN1
01-23-2014, 08:22 PM
I remember last year people were saying aldridge wasn't an allstar. Speak up whoever threw the first stone.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-23-2014, 08:27 PM
Kobe just said he is not going to play

Asik's better
01-23-2014, 08:28 PM
Swap out Kobe for either harden or Parker and the west starters are fine.

Asik's better
01-23-2014, 08:30 PM
I'm assuming you mean Love and Parker got snubbed.

Surprised Dwight is starting. Guess fans enjoy watching terrible post moves and missed FTs.
Wow you didn't even read the op. You just posted on this thread for the sole purpose of hating on Dwight.

Stunner
01-23-2014, 08:34 PM
I'm prob the only one who thinks LA shouldn't start , he's a lil overrated . I think Lilard should be the only blazer and would give Ant Davis LA's reserve spot .

xxplayerxx23
01-23-2014, 08:37 PM
I'm prob the only one who thinks LA shouldn't start , he's a lil overrated . I think Lilard should be the only blazer and would give Ant Davis LA's reserve spot .

Your out of your mind the way LMA has played easily the best blazer and an Allstar

NoahH
01-23-2014, 08:38 PM
Curry wasn't really a surprise, but Love was for sure I was not expecting that late surge

Stunner
01-23-2014, 08:40 PM
Your out of your mind the way LMA has played easily the best blazer and an Allstar

Go look up his offensive numbers he's not having as good of a year as the past . I saw at one point he was shooting 700 shots for around 700 points . Blake Griffin had about 300 gap

mrblisterdundee
01-23-2014, 08:41 PM
Lamarcus A should be a starter imo

Diddo; fans are ignorant.

Pierre The Poet
01-23-2014, 08:41 PM
Haha Dwight didn't make it

John Walls Era
01-23-2014, 08:43 PM
Wow you didn't even read the op. You just posted on this thread for the sole purpose of hating on Dwight.

I assumed Dwight made it. Too bad.

P&GRealist
01-23-2014, 08:43 PM
Haha Coward is NOT starting. Guess his stock really plummeted after ditching the Lakers.


CLOWN!!!

shep33
01-23-2014, 08:44 PM
Kobe isn't going to play (I think), not so sure CP3 will either

Tony_Starks
01-23-2014, 08:44 PM
Kevin Love starting? No bueno, should've been Lamarcus.

But I'm not shocked, Rubio received hella votes and he's barely good enough to start on his own team....

John Walls Era
01-23-2014, 08:48 PM
Kevin Love starting? No bueno, should've been Lamarcus.

But I'm not shocked, Rubio received hella votes and he's barely good enough to start on his own team....

1. Stephen Curry (GS) 1,047,281

2. Kobe Bryant (LAL) 988,884

3. Chris Paul (LAC) 804,309

4. Jeremy Lin (Hou) 628,818

5. James Harden (Hou) 470,381

6. Russell Westbrook (OKC) 317,338

7. Damian Lillard (Por) 280,966

8. Tony Parker (SA) 258,751

9. Klay Thompson (GS) 162,984

10. Ricky Rubio (Min) 124,230

Last like he deserves.

P&GRealist
01-23-2014, 08:49 PM
Kobe isn't going to play (I think), not so sure CP3 will either

Cp3 already said he played his first game in NOLA, and he's not gonna miss the opportunity. He is playing.

Don't comment on things ur not knowledgeable about.

shep33
01-23-2014, 08:51 PM
Cp3 already said he played his first game in NOLA, and he's not gonna miss the opportunity. He is playing.

Don't comment on things ur not knowledgeable about.

Haha wow your sensitive

Hawkeye15
01-23-2014, 08:51 PM
Love made a late surge, surprising honestly. I mean, Kobe isn't going to play, CP3 might not be ready, so the roster will look different anyways.

TrueFan420
01-23-2014, 08:53 PM
1. Stephen Curry (GS) 1,047,281

2. Kobe Bryant (LAL) 988,884

3. Chris Paul (LAC) 804,309

4. Jeremy Lin (Hou) 628,818

5. James Harden (Hou) 470,381

6. Russell Westbrook (OKC) 317,338

7. Damian Lillard (Por) 280,966

8. Tony Parker (SA) 258,751

9. Klay Thompson (GS) 162,984

10. Ricky Rubio (Min) 124,230

Last like he deserves.

Or him

JNA17
01-23-2014, 08:53 PM
4. Jeremy Lin (Hou) 628,818

0_0

P&GRealist
01-23-2014, 08:54 PM
Haha wow your sensitive

No, I just don't like politically correct goody 2 shoe suck ups who act all diplomatic just to become a mod.

sammyvine
01-23-2014, 08:55 PM
Wow didnt know Curry was that popular....got more votes than Kobe and CP3 and his team isn't one of the big markets.

Happy for him though, deserves it after last year

ThaDubs
01-23-2014, 08:58 PM
I'm assuming you mean Love and Parker got snubbed.

Surprised Dwight is starting. Guess fans enjoy watching terrible post moves and missed FTs.

Are you ********?

5ass
01-23-2014, 08:59 PM
I'm assuming you mean Love and Parker got snubbed.

Surprised Dwight is starting. Guess fans enjoy watching terrible post moves and missed FTs.

lol ur hatred for howard is literarily blinding you.

sammyvine
01-23-2014, 08:59 PM
Lamarcus A should start....shocking he isn't there ahead of Love or even Griffin.

I guess when you have no commercials, you get no Love lol

ThaDubs
01-23-2014, 08:59 PM
Kevin Love starting? No bueno, should've been Lamarcus.

But I'm not shocked, Rubio received hella votes and he's barely good enough to start on his own team....

Please tell me what Lamarcus does better than Kevin Love.

Stunner
01-23-2014, 09:01 PM
Please tell me what Lamarcus does better than Kevin Love.

Kevin Love , Howard , Davis and DMC all better than LA this year IMO

5ass
01-23-2014, 09:02 PM
0_0

pretty racist if you ask me. (not you, the voters who picked lin, probably all asians)

TrueFan420
01-23-2014, 09:05 PM
Wow didnt know Curry was that popular....got more votes than Kobe and CP3 and his team isn't one of the big markets.

Happy for him though, deserves it after last year
The Bay Area is a massive market. And makes sense he's so popular. Doesn't have an ego, comes off as a down to earth nice guy, is lights out shooter that will have the distinction of being the best when all is said and done and plays on everyone's second favorite team because of their electric style of play.

TrueFan420
01-23-2014, 09:05 PM
Please tell me what Lamarcus does better than Kevin Love.

Defense for one

shep33
01-23-2014, 09:10 PM
No, I just don't like politically correct goody 2 shoe suck ups who act all diplomatic just to become a mod.

Haha, dude, I want no business in being a mod, already stated that multiple times before.

Don't comment on things you are not knowledgeable about

ThaDubs
01-23-2014, 09:16 PM
Defense for one

Eh. Not really.

JNA17
01-23-2014, 09:17 PM
Defense for one

Not important in an all star game though. While defense is not Love's strong suit, LA is not exactly great himself at it either. Love however does virtually everything else better.

SPURSFAN1
01-23-2014, 09:18 PM
Aldridge makes shots when it counts.

Lakers + Giants
01-23-2014, 09:20 PM
If I had to choose I would've chosen:

Parker
Curry
Durant
Griffin
Cousins (to have a center)/ Aldridge (if no true center is required)

Tony_Starks
01-23-2014, 09:20 PM
Please tell me what Lamarcus does better than Kevin Love.

Defense?

BenFrank
01-23-2014, 09:20 PM
Just show's the amount of hate people have for Howard, it's fine tho.. he'll still be in, I think Love should have been a reserve b/c his team not even in the playoff hunt.. just my opinion tho, and I would take LMA over Blake, but I understand people want to see a dunk fest

My 5 for this year would have been

Curry
Harden
Durant
LMA
Howard

JNA17
01-23-2014, 09:20 PM
pretty racist if you ask me. (not you, the voters who picked lin, probably all asians)

Japan is growing bigger and bigger in popularity when it comes to the NBA so my guess is that they are desperate for some relevant Asian player in the NBA...even though Lin is from the US...

I do hope we get to see a new great Asian player again since Yao Ming though.

EDIT: Yeah yeah I know I meant to put Asian not Japanese. What's the difference? XD

Stunner
01-23-2014, 09:21 PM
Aldridge makes shots when it counts.

Lol him and love about the same in that department and it's funny Love and LA shoot almost the same FG % but the difference is Love takes a ton of threes . LA offensively this year isn't that great at all.

Lakers + Giants
01-23-2014, 09:23 PM
Haha, dude, I want no business in being a mod, already stated that multiple times before.

Don't comment on things you are not knowledgeable about

Ignore her. She was tellin me the same exact **** before. If you don't agree with her you're wrong and just kissing *** to be mod. . :rolleyes:

JordansBulls
01-23-2014, 09:26 PM
The fact Jeremy Lin got more votes than Harden is a disgrace.

shep33
01-23-2014, 09:30 PM
Ignore her. She was tellin me the same exact **** before. If you don't agree with her you're wrong and just kissing *** to be mod. . :rolleyes:

Haha yeah totally, thanks bro. I'm just get annoyed with all that ****.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-23-2014, 09:31 PM
Japan is growing bigger and bigger in popularity when it comes to the NBA so my guess is that they are desperate for some relevant Asian player in the NBA...even though Lin is from the US...

I do hope we get to see a new great Japanese player again since Yao Ming though.

Huh? I think you need to read your post again

Lakers + Giants
01-23-2014, 09:34 PM
Haha yeah totally, thanks bro. I'm just get annoyed with all that ****.

Just don't feed the troll. Once you ignore trolls don't have anything to reply to. I was told the same ****, that I was kissing *** to be a mod. LMAO really? Just because my views are different.

Asik's better
01-23-2014, 09:41 PM
Japan is growing bigger and bigger in popularity when it comes to the NBA so my guess is that they are desperate for some relevant Asian player in the NBA...even though Lin is from the US...

I do hope we get to see a new great Japanese player again since Yao Ming though.

Yao Ming: Chinese
Jeremy Lin: taiwanese
Your post: confusing

Ill21
01-23-2014, 09:41 PM
I'm prob the only one who thinks LA shouldn't start , he's a lil overrated . I think Lilard should be the only blazer and would give Ant Davis LA's reserve spot .

i sat here for about a good 5 minutes trying to figure out a valid reason behind your argument and i am still perplexed.

shep33
01-23-2014, 09:43 PM
Just don't feed the troll. Once you ignore trolls don't have anything to reply to. I was told the same ****, that I was kissing *** to be a mod. LMAO really? Just because my views are different.

So true. For some Laker fans, they think it's blasphemous to admire a player other than Kobe

Lakers + Giants
01-23-2014, 09:56 PM
So true. For some Laker fans, they think it's blasphemous to admire a player other than Kobe

Guess what. . .The reason why he bashed me was because I stated that I would take Lebron at 29 over Magic or Kobe at 29. .

So yea, because I didn't choose the laker players. .

c.c.
01-23-2014, 09:59 PM
Japan is growing bigger and bigger in popularity when it comes to the NBA so my guess is that they are desperate for some relevant Asian player in the NBA...even though Lin is from the US...

I do hope we get to see a new great Japanese player again since Yao Ming though.

Yao Ming is Chinese

c.c.
01-23-2014, 10:01 PM
Love is good player but his numbers will not be so good if he was on a well rounded winning team.

albertajaysfan
01-23-2014, 10:06 PM
Japan is growing bigger and bigger in popularity when it comes to the NBA so my guess is that they are desperate for some relevant Asian player in the NBA...even though Lin is from the US...

I do hope we get to see a new great Japanese player again since Yao Ming though.

You mean China. Yao Ming is chinese.

quade36
01-23-2014, 10:07 PM
How can a person who played only 6 games this year be on the allstar team????

UPRock
01-23-2014, 10:08 PM
Lilliard needs to be a reserve

JNA17
01-23-2014, 10:10 PM
Yao Ming: Chinese
Jeremy Lin: taiwanese
Your post: confusing

whoops. Meant to say asian not Japanese. Will correct that.

TrueFan420
01-23-2014, 10:14 PM
How can a person who played only 6 games this year be on the allstar team????

Idiots vote

ThaDubs
01-23-2014, 10:18 PM
Defense?

Hardly. Kevin Love's drtg is 100 compared to LMA's 104 (the Blazers drtg is 108 compared to the Wolve's 104, so Love and LMA are probably about equal in terms of defense). Also, Love does literally EVERYTHING ELSE better than LMA. Passing, scoring, rebounding, and even if LMA was a better defender, you are talking about the ASG here, nobody cares about defense. Love is better. You have no adequate case.

JNA17
01-23-2014, 10:23 PM
How can a person who played only 6 games this year be on the allstar team????

Ask Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady.

goingfor28
01-23-2014, 10:26 PM
Good for K Love. I hope Dwight doesn't make it

kobebabe
01-23-2014, 10:33 PM
So Dwight isn't as appealing to the fans anymore. I think LMA should be there

JNA17
01-23-2014, 10:34 PM
Good for K Love. I hope Dwight doesn't make it

It's possible. LMA, Cousins, Anthony Davis have out preformed him as bigmen and then there are other forwards and guards too consider in.

Although it's very likely Dwight will still get in but if he doesn't...this forum will explode! I will have the popcorn ready just in case XD.

c.c.
01-23-2014, 10:38 PM
Good for K Love. I hope Dwight doesn't make it

Why so much hate, you gonna hate Love when he leaves the Wolves too?

P&GRealist
01-23-2014, 10:55 PM
Guess what. . .The reason why he bashed me was because I stated that I would take Lebron at 29 over Magic or Kobe at 29. .

So yea, because I didn't choose the laker players. .

Awww, you too are so cute. :love:

Cry me a river!

zn23
01-23-2014, 10:58 PM
Kobe? What a joke! Kobe should be replaced with Goran Dragic.

Unless of course Dragic makes the team as a reserve, but If Kobe makes the team over Dragic that's going to be so pathetic.

valade16
01-23-2014, 10:59 PM
Hardly. Kevin Love's drtg is 100 compared to LMA's 104 (the Blazers drtg is 108 compared to the Wolve's 104, so Love and LMA are probably about equal in terms of defense). Also, Love does literally EVERYTHING ELSE better than LMA. Passing, scoring, rebounding, and even if LMA was a better defender, you are talking about the ASG here, nobody cares about defense. Love is better. You have no adequate case.

Defense - LMA is a better defender and I feel people are downplaying the gap in their respective abilities. Someone (might have been Hawkeye) who posted the ISO defensive numbers for big me . LMA was firmly in the upper half of the league while Kevin Love was in the bottom 3rd. Chronz further posted that the T-Wolves interior defense is the WORST in the league; and Robin Lopez is not that much better than Pekovic to account for that difference. Also, LMA steals at a higher rate (if only slightly) and blocks shots at a higher rate. Simply put, LMA is hands down a better defender than Love.

Post offense - simply put LMA can post up and Love cannot. LMA is a far superior player offensively both in the high post and in the low post. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar said LMA is the only person who has postwork comparable to KAJs day. That is over-exaggeration but the premise holds, LMA is one of the better post players in the league and Love is average at best.

LMA definitely has several skills that are superior to Love. Add in he has a higher usage rate and a lower TO% while dramatically narrowing the gap rebounding and anyone who says LMA doesn mt do a single thing better than Love is likely looking at Basketball the way a layperson looks at art; they get the basic concepts (a hoop, a ball, paint, a brush) but in all actuality has NO clue what they are looking at...

Furthermore, look at Love's biggest strengths and weaknesses (3pt shooting, rebounding and bad defense). Those are 3 things the Blazers already have. They don't need his 3pt shooting or rebounding and certainly don't need to downgrade defensively. They need a guy who can playin the post and play good man defense.

LMA is a way better fit for this Portland team and is a comparable basketball player to Kevin Love. Disagree? Go look at a Painting and tell me what you see...

blahblahyoutoo
01-23-2014, 11:08 PM
1. Stephen Curry (GS) 1,047,281

2. Kobe Bryant (LAL) 988,884

3. Chris Paul (LAC) 804,309

4. Jeremy Lin (Hou) 628,818

5. James Harden (Hou) 470,381

6. Russell Westbrook (OKC) 317,338

7. Damian Lillard (Por) 280,966

8. Tony Parker (SA) 258,751

9. Klay Thompson (GS) 162,984

10. Ricky Rubio (Min) 124,230

Last like he deserves.

Lin 4th? smh...

Chronz
01-23-2014, 11:21 PM
Ask Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady.

What exactly would Tmac say?

P&GRealist
01-23-2014, 11:32 PM
Kobe? What a joke! Kobe should be replaced with Goran Dragic.

Unless of course Dragic makes the team as a reserve, but If Kobe makes the team over Dragic that's going to be so pathetic.

Don't think Kobe is gonna play.

And plus, Dragic won't make it. Too many guards way ahead of him in the West not counting Kobe.

Steph, CP3, Harden, Parker, Lillard and hell even Monta Ellis.

DR_1
01-23-2014, 11:34 PM
Should have been

CP3
Harden
KD
Love
Aldridge

DR_1
01-23-2014, 11:35 PM
Lin 4th? smh...

:laugh:

DR_1
01-23-2014, 11:37 PM
Yao Ming: Chinese
Jeremy Lin: taiwanese
Your post: confusing

:laugh2: Best post today

c.c.
01-23-2014, 11:51 PM
Should have been

CP3
Harden
KD
Love
Aldridge

I agree that Harden should be starting but judging me off my signature, some might call me a bias. Playing with Howard and getting to line a lot kinda get him hated on.

Lakers + Giants
01-23-2014, 11:52 PM
Awww, you too are so cute. :love:

Cry me a river!

:love:

John Walls Era
01-23-2014, 11:54 PM
Are you ********?
unravel your panties, dumbass.

ThaDubs
01-24-2014, 01:13 AM
unravel your panties, dumbass.

Unravel my panties? I don't know what the **** that's supposed to mean. All I know is you're calling me a dumbass and yet you're the one who either lacks comprehension skills or thinks he possesses the ability to know the all-star roster without seeing it.

lol, please
01-24-2014, 01:55 AM
Kobe doesn't deserve it and i'm the biggest Kobe fan on earth.

lol, please
01-24-2014, 01:57 AM
I love how DLee the White Chris Webber got snubbed doe.

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 02:00 AM
Aldridge has 34,12,5 with a few blocks right now . And the #3 best player in the league right now behind Durant and lebron . He's a lock for the all star game and should be starting

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 02:18 AM
He finished with 44 points lol

TrueFan420
01-24-2014, 04:14 AM
I love how DLee the White Chris Webber got snubbed doe.

He wasn't gonna be a starter dude. He'd have to be voted in by the coaches. Also he started very very slow even tho he's been absolutely killing it of late.

zn23
01-24-2014, 09:53 AM
Who saw the ESPN poll?

"Which would win a game of five-on-five (with all healthy)?

I died when it added the "With all healthy" at the end. Even they know it's a joke to put Kobe on there. He shouldn't be on the team period, the most undeserving All-star selection since Yao Ming. Actually both him and Yao are the two worst I can remember. Iverson was undeserving of his all-star selection, so was Jason Kidd for one of his. But at least they played like 20 games.

Kobe played 6 games, the team went 2-4, Kobe played poorly in those games.

Stunner
01-24-2014, 10:33 AM
LaMarcus Aldridge has taken 887 shots (leads the league) to score 1,018 points. That's 1.147 points per field goal attempt. In comparison, Luol Deng has taken 444 shots for 561 points, 1.264 points per field goal attempt. Rudy Gay. I could go on, but you get the point.

Aldridge isn't efficient, at all. He doesn't help his team offensively outside of drawing attention away from others, but he's on the BEST offense in the league so his inefficiency is unacceptable. His defense is mediocre at best. He's finally rebounding at a great rate though and he's making plays for others alright i guess.

LMA to me is the most overrated player in the league. Bringing up this thread and not really doing so without understanding the context of LMA's production is stupid.

LMA is a damn good player, but i wouldn't take him over a number of guys. If you sad that Aldridge had a case for a top-5 player, then nobody would every berate you to the attune of a Livingston = Jordan comparison. Because LMA had a case to be a top-5 PF before the year started, and he still does. The point of this overall though, is that he's not nearly as good as you currently think he is and there are a number of guys that could fill in for his overall production (factoring in efficiency, usage, defense, rebounding, etc) on that ridiculous Blazers team in which LMA currently ranks FIFTH in true shooting percentage and Offensive Rating.
On LA

goku
01-24-2014, 10:35 AM
lol Dwight started last season and he is playing better then he did last yr and Kobe was voting in and he has only played 6-8 games shows the some lakers fans homerism

kingjaymes23
01-24-2014, 10:42 AM
Lol him and love about the same in that department and it's funny Love and LA shoot almost the same FG % but the difference is Love takes a ton of threes . LA offensively this year isn't that great at all.

You are so right man. That 44 LMA put up last night is not great at all...... You just come off as a LMA hater honestly calling him overrated this season. How can you be overrated when hardly anyone is talking about you, yet you are 5th in scoring and 5th in rebounds?

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 10:48 AM
Kevin Love , Howard , Davis and DMC all better than LA this year IMO

And yet as the best player on his team LMA is leading the Blazers (whose supporting cast is not as good as Howard's) to one of the best records in the game.

You are looking wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much at the numbers and diminishing the effect LMA numbers has on his team. Also you are ignoring D if you have DMC as a better player than LMA.

Stunner
01-24-2014, 10:52 AM
You are so right man. That 44 LMA put up last night is not great at all...... You just come off as a LMA hater honestly calling him overrated this season. How can you be overrated when hardly anyone is talking about you, yet you are 5th in scoring and 5th in rebounds?

against the Nuggets lmao , LA is having a typical LA season just better rebounding for a chance . He's a top 5 PF but I've seen people put him top 5 or top 10 in the league and that isn't right at all . IMO Davis and DMC are having a better year than him . And the only reason he's being talked about now is because they're finally winning games . Same Aldridge just better rebounding but nobody wants to give the real credit that Lilard is prob the real reason they're playing better since he's came , or the fact they have a good bench or the fact that they have a legit center for a change. LA is getting most of the praises because he takes the most shots .

Stunner
01-24-2014, 10:57 AM
And yet as the best player on his team LMA is leading the Blazers (whose supporting cast is not as good as Howard's) to one of the best records in the game.

You are looking wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much at the numbers and diminishing the effect LMA numbers has on his team. Also you are ignoring D if you have DMC as a better player than LMA.
What ? The Blazers supporting cast is way better than the Rockets outside of Harden and no in not actually considering that LA 'a has been putting up the same numbers for almost his whole career outside of Rebounding . More credit to the FO for actually providing a team for once . Aldridge is underachieving offensively this year on the leagues best offense and LA's and Cousins defense are both in the same ball park but Cousin is still putting up better numbers .

colinskik
01-24-2014, 10:58 AM
lol ur hatred for howard is literarily blinding you.

Haha very nice... and true.

ILLUSIONIST^248
01-24-2014, 11:06 AM
No, I just don't like politically correct goody 2 shoe suck ups who act all diplomatic just to become a mod.

Haha, dude, I want no business in being a mod, already stated that multiple times before.

Don't comment on things you are not knowledgeable about

Lol

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 11:11 AM
What ? The Blazers supporting cast is way better than the Rockets outside of Harden and no in not actually considering that LA 'a has been putting up the same numbers for almost his whole career outside of Rebounding . More credit to the FO for actually providing a team for once . Aldridge is underachieving offensively this year on the leagues best offense and LA's and Cousins defense are both in the same ball park but Cousin is still putting up better numbers .

Chandler Parsons by himself is better than anyone not named Lillard and LMA. Then you have Jeremy Lin, Terrance Jones (who himself has outplayed Dwight on occasion) and lets not talk about the rest of the bench compared to Portland's.

Tell me something. Despite being a less efficient scorer why does LMA have a superior ORtg to Cousins. Also I challenge you to find me a solid argument pinning Cousins as an equal to LMA defensively.

LMA is MUCH better than DMC on the defensive end of the floor.

kingjaymes23
01-24-2014, 11:15 AM
Chandler Parsons by himself is better than anyone not named Lillard and LMA. Then you have Jeremy Lin, Terrance Jones (who himself has outplayed Dwight on occasion) and lets not talk about the rest of the bench compared to Portland's.

Tell me something. Despite being a less efficient scorer why does LMA have a superior ORtg to Cousins. Also I challenge you to find me a solid argument pinning Cousins as an equal to LMA defensively.

LMA is MUCH better than DMC on the defensive end of the floor.

He's a clear Portland hater. He didn't even have Lillard on his bench. It is blinding him to the facts. If you do not think LMA deserves to be starting, I don't know what to tell you.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 11:32 AM
I'm not arguing who deserves to be on the bench or as a starter but I can tell you that LMA Absolutely DESERVES to be an All Star this season. Inefficient or not he's getting the job done at and the end of the day he should be recognized for it. More so than DMC (who I have also defended recently).

Stunner
01-24-2014, 11:34 AM
He's a clear Portland hater. He didn't even have Lillard on his bench. It is blinding him to the facts. If you do not think LMA deserves to be starting, I don't know what to tell you.

I did have Lillard on the bench

Stunner
01-24-2014, 11:36 AM
I never said LA shouldn't be an all star I think he's a lil overrated . It's just a tough crop inn the west in terms of Big men opposed to the East . I just picked the players I liked more this season in terms of what they had to work with .

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 11:40 AM
I never said LA shouldn't be an all star I think he's a lil overrated . It's just a tough crop inn the west in terms of Big men opposed to the East . I just picked the players I liked more this season in terms of what they had to work with .

Why did you say DMC and LA are equals defensively?

Stunner
01-24-2014, 11:48 AM
Why did you say DMC and LA are equals defensively?

Because they're IMO from an eye stand point both do nothing put a huge gap in between them . LA I admit does gets more blocks but honestly they look the same both mediocre average . Let's say group c of defenders Aldridge is 1 and Cousins is like 4 but they're still in the same range not like a group a to c gap which I'm getting at .

Clippersfan86
01-24-2014, 01:24 PM
The idea that Aldridge is a good defender is weird to me. He is NOT in a different tier defensively than Love/Griffin especially this year. Not sure why he's always gotten the rep as a good defender when he hasn't earned it. LMA is having a great stretch lately and he's the MVP and easily top PF according to some.. yet when both Griffin and Love had superior statistical stretches recently you hear/read far less hype.

Really happy for Love. As Dubs said he's superior to Aldridge and deserves it. Curry also is a great edition, although he will be playing SG next to CP3 when Kobe is officially out I think.

SugeKnight
01-24-2014, 02:02 PM
I remember last year people were saying aldridge wasn't an allstar. Speak up whoever threw the first stone.
He wasn't playing at this level last year

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 02:26 PM
You are so right man. That 44 LMA put up last night is not great at all...... You just come off as a LMA hater honestly calling him overrated this season. How can you be overrated when hardly anyone is talking about you, yet you are 5th in scoring and 5th in rebounds?

against the Nuggets lmao , LA is having a typical LA season just better rebounding for a chance . He's a top 5 PF but I've seen people put him top 5 or top 10 in the league and that isn't right at all . IMO Davis and DMC are having a better year than him . And the only reason he's being talked about now is because they're finally winning games . Same Aldridge just better rebounding but nobody wants to give the real credit that Lilard is prob the real reason they're playing better since he's came , or the fact they have a good bench or the fact that they have a legit center for a change. LA is getting most of the praises because he takes the most shots .

It's definitely not the same Aldridge ... Go watch some blazer games before you think he sucks

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 02:29 PM
The idea that Aldridge is a good defender is weird to me. He is NOT in a different tier defensively than Love/Griffin especially this year. Not sure why he's always gotten the rep as a good defender when he hasn't earned it. LMA is having a great stretch lately and he's the MVP and easily top PF according to some.. yet when both Griffin and Love had superior statistical stretches recently you hear/read far less hype.

Really happy for Love. As Dubs said he's superior to Aldridge and deserves it. Curry also is a great edition, although he will be playing SG next to CP3 when Kobe is officially out I think.

I'm completely fine with love starting , however Aldridge should be starting over griffin easily .

Stunner
01-24-2014, 02:33 PM
It's definitely not the same Aldridge ... Go watch some blazer games before you think he sucks

Stop putting words in my mouth lol never said he sucks , just a lil overrated . Offensively he is the same prob a lil worse only thing different is his Rebounding. Much of the blazers success are the parts around LA rather than just LA himself . That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it , this isn't he best Cast LA has ever played with . Before the season I really believe he wanted out but they fixed the team and now he wants to stay .

valade16
01-24-2014, 03:11 PM
The idea that Aldridge is a good defender is weird to me. He is NOT in a different tier defensively than Love/Griffin especially this year. Not sure why he's always gotten the rep as a good defender when he hasn't earned it. LMA is having a great stretch lately and he's the MVP and easily top PF according to some.. yet when both Griffin and Love had superior statistical stretches recently you hear/read far less hype.

Really happy for Love. As Dubs said he's superior to Aldridge and deserves it. Curry also is a great edition, although he will be playing SG next to CP3 when Kobe is officially out I think.

He is absolutely on a different tier defensively than Griffin and Love. As I mentioned earlier Love is part of the WORST rim defense in the league.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html#pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&filters=FGA_DEFEND_RIM*GE*5&sortField=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&sortOrder=DES

Kevin Love is 2nd worst in the NBA at 59% Opp. FG at the Rim.

Blake Griffin is at 52%. DeMarcus Cousins is 53.6%...

LMA is 32nd in the league. Blake Griffin is 47th and Kevin Love 65th.

He is in the tier above Love and Griffin. LMA is at least Average on defense (if not above average). Love and Blake Griffin are both definitely below average.

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 03:30 PM
It's definitely not the same Aldridge ... Go watch some blazer games before you think he sucks

Stop putting words in my mouth lol never said he sucks , just a lil overrated . Offensively he is the same prob a lil worse only thing different is his Rebounding. Much of the blazers success are the parts around LA rather than just LA himself . That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it , this isn't he best Cast LA has ever played with . Before the season I really believe he wanted out but they fixed the team and now he wants to stay .

You have discredited him the entire thread when even all the expert analysis say he should be starting and is a top3-4 MVP candidate

Stunner
01-24-2014, 03:40 PM
You have discredited him the entire thread when even all the expert analysis say he should be starting and is a top3-4 MVP candidate

Lol like " experts " are never wrong about anything . If he had the same stats and his team was 20-20 would he be top 4 in the MVP race ? The impact of the Blazers winning is the team more than LA himself , he's been his typical self . Aldridge was never the problem in Portland , he didn't take a leap in production like Paul George has .

valade16
01-24-2014, 03:53 PM
Lol like " experts " are never wrong about anything . If he had the same stats and his team was 20-20 would he be top 4 in the MVP race ? The impact of the Blazers winning is the team more than LA himself , he's been his typical self . Aldridge was never the problem in Portland , he didn't take a leap in production like Paul George has .

Seriously?

He's setting career highs in Field goals attempted, Free throw %, defensive rebounds per game, total rebounds per game, assists per game, points per game, PER, Total Rebound %, Assist %, Turnover %, Usage % and Win Shares/48...

Literally EVERY stat is career highs except for his shooting efficiency so I'm not sure what you're talking about or looking at...

Stunner
01-24-2014, 04:10 PM
His rebounds are up like I've stated thru the thread but his points are only up because he's taking more shots but inefficiently which isn't that amazing . His assist are up a lil because his teammates are finally knocking down shots . LA has been playing the same way the last 3 season besides FG attempts and rebounding ; but him passing to crappy teammates who've always missed has always been in his game . I stand by most of the Blazers success is his teammates having great years .

AllDay28
01-24-2014, 04:32 PM
LMA has a non existent bench ... He is killing the stat sheet and is shooting 48%. I have no idea what your talking about , how is that not efficient . The defense doubles him and keys on him as well and he is still unstoppable . His game is much more well rounded. He's averaging almost 25 points a game , how many players in the nba can do that for a entire season ???

ThaDubs
01-24-2014, 05:55 PM
Really happy for Love. As Dubs said he's superior to Aldridge and deserves it. Curry also is a great edition, although he will be playing SG next to CP3 when Kobe is officially out I think.

I think CP3 and Steph should have been the original backcourt, I mean no SG in the NBA is as good as Curry if you think about it.

ThaDubs
01-24-2014, 06:02 PM
You are so right man. That 44 LMA put up last night is not great at all...... You just come off as a LMA hater honestly calling him overrated this season. How can you be overrated when hardly anyone is talking about you, yet you are 5th in scoring and 5th in rebounds?

So what if he got 44 points on one night? K Love had a 42 point night earlier this season shooting a better % from the field. LMA's plus minus stats are not good, and he is in every way statistically inferior to players like Love. He also plays pretty bad in the playoffs.

valade16
01-24-2014, 07:28 PM
So what if he got 44 points on one night? K Love had a 42 point night earlier this season shooting a better % from the field. LMA's plus minus stats are not good, and he is in every way statistically inferior to players like Love. He also plays pretty bad in the playoffs.

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314POR.HTM

According to this LMA is not only far from "not good" on +/- he is actually the best Blazer and very good. In fact he is one of 14 players in the entire NBA at +10 or more. So I don't know where you conjured up this not good nonsense...

And as for the in every way statistically inferior to Love, that is not true. Defensively he is not only superior, but far superior. Kevin Love is the 2nd worst in the entire league at FG% at the rim on defense. He allows his opponents to shoot a whopping 59% at the rim agains thim. That is terrible. Atrocious. [insert another derogatory adjective].

Also, on offense LMA turns the ball over less, has a higher steal %, a higher block %, and has dramatically closed the gap in rebound %. It is no longer the statistical landslide it once was. And once you factor in defense, LMA is comparable to Love...

Tony_Starks
01-24-2014, 07:32 PM
Lotta hate for a guy that scored the last 15 points for his team last night to win the game who's team is one of the best in the league. Who routinely comes through in the clutch and is a MVP candidate.

Lots of love for a guy who's team is below .500, has a laughable record in close games, something like 2 out of 12 or something ridiculous like that. Who has blundered in the clutch in multiple games.

But their team records have nothing to do with them right? Even though people totally blow off the Blazers were predicted to be like 9th or 10th in the West and the Wolves were predicted to be as high as 6th. But everyone conveniently forgets all that......

Hawkeye15
01-24-2014, 07:53 PM
Please tell me what Lamarcus does better than Kevin Love.

his team has more roster support and wins more games is the difference. You should know that coming from specific users here.

Hawkeye15
01-24-2014, 07:56 PM
the huge push for LMA in this thread, and in general, really shows how much team success changes the perception of your game. In no way, shape or form is he better than Love or Davis at the PF position.

Tony_Starks
01-24-2014, 08:00 PM
his team has more roster support and wins more games is the difference. You should know that coming from specific users here.


Your better than that. You know damn well that literally NOBODY had Portland better than the Wolves pre season other than Blazer fans. Now all the sudden people are acting like LMA plays for this stacked powerhouse team.

And btw do you think them being so good and him having a career year is mere coincidence?

Hawkeye15
01-24-2014, 08:01 PM
His rebounds are up like I've stated thru the thread but his points are only up because he's taking more shots but inefficiently which isn't that amazing . His assist are up a lil because his teammates are finally knocking down shots . LA has been playing the same way the last 3 season besides FG attempts and rebounding ; but him passing to crappy teammates who've always missed has always been in his game . I stand by most of the Blazers success is his teammates having great years .

correct. I would have to dig the article up, but their predicted WARP for each player is being crushed by the individuals up and down the roster. Matthews has turned into way more than he was ever expected to, Lopez was a HUGE benefit move, and their roster just kills it with 3's made. #1 in the league. LMA has not really improved his game, he just has a ton of guys now helping him.

Hawkeye15
01-24-2014, 08:03 PM
Your better than that. You know damn well that literally NOBODY had Portland better than the Wolves pre season other than Blazer fans. Now all the sudden people are acting like LMA plays for the Heat or something.

And btw do you think them being so good and him having a career year is mere coincidence?

preseason predictions mean what?

Look at his roster, and what they are doing. Almost everyone in their starting lineup is having a career year, and even their bench hasn't been horrible. He has a TON more help than Love, because his players are producing.

His team is #1 in 3's made, #2 in percentage, #1 in FT%, #7 in getting to the line. Those factors alone mean they have an ELITE offense. Of which he is a big part of, but their success is far more dependent on their balance than LMA. The same can't be said for the Wolves, who are a horrific team with Love off the floor.

Don't worry, he will get in. Portland will need a representative. That is how it works.

SPURSFAN1
01-24-2014, 08:11 PM
I like how Chuck had Kawhi Leonard. I never agree with Charles Barkley, but that was cool. People always look at raw numbers and can't comprehend how much a player impacts the court without scoring.

ThaDubs
01-24-2014, 09:30 PM
http://www.82games.com/1314/1314POR.HTM

According to this LMA is not only far from "not good" on +/- he is actually the best Blazer and very good. In fact he is one of 14 players in the entire NBA at +10 or more. So I don't know where you conjured up this not good nonsense...

And as for the in every way statistically inferior to Love, that is not true. Defensively he is not only superior, but far superior. Kevin Love is the 2nd worst in the entire league at FG% at the rim on defense. He allows his opponents to shoot a whopping 59% at the rim agains thim. That is terrible. Atrocious. [insert another derogatory adjective].

Also, on offense LMA turns the ball over less, has a higher steal %, a higher block %, and has dramatically closed the gap in rebound %. It is no longer the statistical landslide it once was. And once you factor in defense, LMA is comparable to Love...

His +/- per 100 possessions is -0.8, the second worst +/- per 100 he's ever put up for a season.

Swashcuff
01-24-2014, 09:58 PM
http://www.82games.com/1314/1314POR.HTM

According to this LMA is not only far from "not good" on +/- he is actually the best Blazer and very good. In fact he is one of 14 players in the entire NBA at +10 or more. So I don't know where you conjured up this not good nonsense...

And as for the in every way statistically inferior to Love, that is not true. Defensively he is not only superior, but far superior. Kevin Love is the 2nd worst in the entire league at FG% at the rim on defense. He allows his opponents to shoot a whopping 59% at the rim agains thim. That is terrible. Atrocious. [insert another derogatory adjective].

Also, on offense LMA turns the ball over less, has a higher steal %, a higher block %, and has dramatically closed the gap in rebound %. It is no longer the statistical landslide it once was. And once you factor in defense, LMA is comparable to Love...

Click on Lamarcus and look at the HUGE difference he makes on his team defensively.

I find it funny and Stunner would talk about numbers for everything else but when it came to D he said his eye test (one which has shown clear bias or dislike towards LMA). LMA defensive numbers are pretty good.

I usually am not the biggest supporter of LMA because I too think he can be overrated by those who look at team success and nothing else but truth be told I think his volume of scoring (albeit not very efficient), D, rebounding, consistent play and leadership has been exceedingly valuable for the Blazers.

Stunner
01-24-2014, 10:43 PM
Click on Lamarcus and look at the HUGE difference he makes on his team defensively.

I find it funny and Stunner would talk about numbers for everything else but when it came to D he said his eye test (one which has shown clear bias or dislike towards LMA). LMA defensive numbers are pretty good.

I usually am not the biggest supporter of LMA because I too think he can be overrated by those who look at team success and nothing else but truth be told I think his volume of scoring (albeit not very efficient), D, rebounding, consistent play and leadership has been exceedingly valuable for the Blazers.
I posted numbers from another poster not my own because I'm not a real big stat guy . If I did i would have , either way you put it LA isn't a good defender , he's average like I stated and stand by . Especially for those comparing him to love and Griffin defensively isn't a good really saying much. only thing he's LA has improved is his rebounding and shot attempts , he's still the same player he's always been and blazers succes is due more to the starting 5 than LA himself . He's hogging all the succes because he's the most known outside of Lillard . Hawk eye explained everything what I've said perfectly .

c.c.
01-25-2014, 12:25 AM
i think cp3 and steph should have been the original backcourt, i mean no sg in the nba is as good as curry if you think about it.

harden!!!!

RaiderLakersA's
01-25-2014, 01:18 AM
Next year I'm going to see if I can vote Sofia Vergara into the All Star game. I think she can get a million votes, easy.

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 01:28 AM
harden!!!!

Harden is not better than Curry. Lmao. He scores a little bit more on a lower TS%, rebounds about the same even though he's a good sized shooting guard with massive hops who doesn't give help D that much, he is nowhere near Steph in terms of playmaking, and he plays horrid defense.

valade16
01-25-2014, 01:47 AM
His +/- per 100 possessions is -0.8, the second worst +/- per 100 he's ever put up for a season.

Could you post the link to that? Whose +/- is that? I would need to see some other players and their rankings.

To put it bluntly: I don't think that statistic is worth a damn thing if it actually postulTes the idea the Blazers are better with him off the court.

c.c.
01-25-2014, 04:45 AM
Harden is not better than Curry. Lmao. He scores a little bit more on a lower TS%, rebounds about the same even though he's a good sized shooting guard with massive hops who doesn't give help D that much, he is nowhere near Steph in terms of playmaking, and he plays horrid defense.

What defense does Curry play? Where's he when that 3 pt shot not falling? Curry's a good player but just because he got this little all-star starter position this year, don't make him better than Harden by a landslide now.

tredigs
01-25-2014, 05:07 AM
What defense does Curry play? Where's he when that 3 pt shot not falling? Curry's a good player but just because he got this little all-star starter position this year, don't make him better than Harden by a landslide now.

Don't be silly, that's like asking where Harden is when his flop isn't fooling; Rarer than an eclipse.

But to answer, Curry efforts consistently on that side and has become a decent defender. And when his shot isn't falling? He's playmaking, just like every other night. You're acting like he's Kyle Korver, the dude averages 9-10 assists a game and puts up 20+ every night.

c.c.
01-25-2014, 05:21 AM
Don't be silly, that's like asking where Harden is when his flop isn't fooling; Rarer than an eclipse.

But to answer, Curry efforts consistently on that side and has become a decent defender. And when his shot isn't falling? He's playmaking, just like every other night. You're acting like he's Kyle Korver, the dude averages 9-10 assists a game and puts up 20+ every night.

Dude I wasn't about to give you a real reply when I read your location *cough* (HOMER). But exactly where is Harden when he's not creating contact? The same place Curry's at when his shot off. That's those guys strongest weapons but back to my point, your fellow Warriors fan is making the comparison like Curry to Harden equals CP3 to a Brandon Jennings. When in reality there isn't a gap between two, both on the same level to me. If his offense, defense, play making skills was so much better then the Warriors wouldn't be behind the Rockets all season like they been! I hope we see each other in the playoffs!!!!!

tredigs
01-25-2014, 05:25 AM
^Feel free to offer me the "real reply", because that one sucked.

(FYI - My PSD location is a lie)

I'll check back some time manana.

Swashcuff
01-25-2014, 08:22 AM
What defense does Curry play? Where's he when that 3 pt shot not falling? Curry's a good player but just because he got this little all-star starter position this year, don't make him better than Harden by a landslide now.

Guess watching Harden that much has made you forget what defense is. Curry is a solid defensive PG who doesn't take a single night off on that end of the floor. Even when his shout isn't falling. This season he has been better than Harden no question.

JasonJohnHorn
01-25-2014, 11:31 AM
I remember last year people were saying aldridge wasn't an allstar. Speak up whoever threw the first stone.

Last year he wasn't.

tr3ymill3r
01-25-2014, 11:43 AM
Haha Dwight didn't make it

Laker fans are still salty.

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 02:41 PM
What defense does Curry play? Where's he when that 3 pt shot not falling? Curry's a good player but just because he got this little all-star starter position this year, don't make him better than Harden by a landslide now.

Curry has become a good defender this year. Just watch. And where is he when his 3 point shot isn't falling? He's diming left and right or driving to the rim. There was a game vs. the Pelicans recently where he scored virtually all of his points off of extremely difficult drives to the bucket. Harden has more Tony Awards, I'll give him that though.

tredigs
01-25-2014, 02:49 PM
How? We know Curry is better than Harden and we are explaining facts to you. It doesn't mean we think Curry deserve an MVP trophy. Who said that?

Pretty sure the guy was really drunk being it was a Friday night and damn late in most of the US. Personally I never even talked about Curry being better than Harden or boasted about him being an All Star (but he had an agenda, and I wasn't going to stop him from dishing it). I was just commenting in response to his "All Curry Can Do Is Shoot!)$*" mantra. Whatever though, on to the next one.

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 02:52 PM
Dude I wasn't about to give you a real reply when I read your location *cough* (HOMER). But exactly where is Harden when he's not creating contact? The same place Curry's at when his shot off. That's those guys strongest weapons but back to my point, your fellow Warriors fan is making the comparison like Curry to Harden equals CP3 to a Brandon Jennings. When in reality there isn't a gap between two, both on the same level to me. If his offense, defense, play making skills was so much better then the Warriors wouldn't be behind the Rockets all season like they been! I hope we see each other in the playoffs!!!!!

1. When Harden isn't creating contact, he's chucking and chucking and chucking with that mediocre TS% of his. Like we already explained, Curry passes when he is having an off shooting night, and passes well.

2. I never made a "___ is to ___ as ___ is to ___" analogy about the players, I just stated what Curry is better than Harden at (which is a lot).

3. The reason the Warriors have been struggling is because of our bench. Our bench is the lowest scoring bench in the NBA and the lowest field goal % bench in the NBA.

4. How about you offer us an adequate rebuttal and give of some thing(s) Harden does better than Curry? You can't expect Tre to respond when you post something as terrible as this^^^.

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 02:56 PM
Pretty sure the guy was really drunk being it was a Friday night and damn late in most of the US. Personally I never even talked about Curry being better than Harden or boasted about him being an All Star (but he had an agenda, and I wasn't going to stop him from dishing it). I was just commenting in response to his "All Curry Can Do Is Shoot!)$*" mantra. Whatever though, on to the next one.

#turnuponpsd

JNA17
01-25-2014, 03:35 PM
1. When Harden isn't creating contact, he's chucking and chucking and chucking with that mediocre TS% of his. Like we already explained, Curry passes when he is having an off shooting night, and passes well.

2. I never made a "___ is to ___ as ___ is to ___" analogy about the players, I just stated what Curry is better than Harden at (which is a lot).

3. The reason the Warriors have been struggling is because of our bench. Our bench is the lowest scoring bench in the NBA and the lowest field goal % bench in the NBA.

4. How about you offer us an adequate rebuttal and give of some thing(s) Harden does better than Curry? You can't expect Tre to respond when you post something as terrible as this^^^.

I really don't know how anybody can say Harden > Curry.

Harden is the most manufactured star I have ever seen. I have never seen a guy more reliant on flapping his arms like a wild goose and flopping like a fish out of water just to get to the free throw line, while shooting 12 or 13 shots and making 2 or 3 of them most of the time.

Yes he's still very good but my god is he awful to watch. Curry on the other hand is a "legit" star that actually earns his points and makes everyone better in the process.

AllDay28
01-25-2014, 04:07 PM
I remember last year people were saying aldridge wasn't an allstar. Speak up whoever threw the first stone.

Last year he wasn't.

Yes he was ... He made the team lol...

ThaDubs
01-25-2014, 04:17 PM
Hey cc, how about you send me a PM of whatever you posted? I'd love to hear your expert point of view.

Clippersfan86
01-25-2014, 06:47 PM
This has got to be one of the worst posts I have ever read. Since when is rim defense for PF's the end all defensive stat? In fact given that most 4's now are mobile and stretch the floor I'd argue rim defense from your 4 is the LEAST important aspect. Dennis Rodman one of the best defensive 4's ever is a good example. Aldridge is better defending the rim purely because he's longer, has nothing to do with defensive skill.Aldridge has the worse defensive rating and PNR defense of this trio which is far more telling. Nevermind that the Blazers D has been bottom 10 all.year, while the Clippers and Wolves has been TOP 10 all year.


He is absolutely on a different tier defensively than Griffin and Love. As I mentioned earlier Love is part of the WORST rim defense in the league.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html#pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&filters=FGA_DEFEND_RIM*GE*5&sortField=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&sortOrder=DES

Kevin Love is 2nd worst in the NBA at 59% Opp. FG at the Rim.

Blake Griffin is at 52%. DeMarcus Cousins is 53.6%...

LMA is 32nd in the league. Blake Griffin is 47th and Kevin Love 65th.

He is in the tier above Love and Griffin. LMA is at least Average on defense (if not above average). Love and Blake Griffin are both definitely below average.

Clippersfan86
01-25-2014, 06:51 PM
I think the way the league is trending now.. mobile, quick defensive PF's that defend PNR and can guard 3 positions have significantly more value. Where as for CENTERS rim defense is pretty much everything on D

P&GRealist
01-25-2014, 06:54 PM
I think the way the league is trending now.. mobile, quick defensive PF's that defend PNR and can guard 3 positions have significantly more value. Where as for CENTERS rim defense is pretty much everything on D

The league has been like that for quite some time now. Remember prime KG with the Wolves and first 2 yrs in Boston. He was a 4 who could basically guard 3-4 positions, and one of the smartest, physical, hardworking defenders of the P&R.