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DreamShaker
01-23-2014, 01:27 PM
I saw this debate on another sports group. Roy Hibbert is getting a ton of hype for DPOY. He is currently number one in defensive rating, and number 2 im blocks per game. So old and new stats both say he is an elite defender. But even I had to do a double take when looking at his rebounding numbers. He is currently averaging under 5 defensive rebounds a game. I'm going to assume that would be the lowest ever for a center winning DPOY.It has been said by old timers "a rebound is the end of a defensive play". Are we headed towards a new trend where we can look past this? Or does his rebounding numbers alarm you? Just an interesting topic to me. What do you guys think?

Edit: Marc Gasol had more defensive rebounds per game last year, but still averaged under 8 total rebounds per game. So this is a trend going on now. But one that might make Bill Russell punch someone. Lol.

Cavs_Fan24
01-23-2014, 01:33 PM
He makes a huge difference defensively in ways that stats don't always show. I've watched a few Pacers games this year and you can really tell the difference he makes by altering (not always blocking) many shots that come his way.

DreamShaker
01-23-2014, 01:42 PM
He makes a huge difference defensively in ways that stats don't always show. I've watched a few Pacers games this year and you can really tell the difference he makes by altering (not always blocking) many shots that come his way.

I grew up watching Hakeem, so that has always been something I have paid attention to. A guy might get 4 or 5 blocks but he "changes" so many more. Forces bad shots or more difficult shots due to his rim protection. It is just interesting how the way we look at defensive player of the year candidates has changed. Used to, dude was an elite rebounder, shot blocker, and shot changer (as a big man). Now guys like Gasol and Hibbert are getting love by means of different measurements.

Tony_Starks
01-23-2014, 01:45 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock into it, he's typically a better second half player stat wise. Plus he plays with solid rebounders, Lance Stephenson alone leads SGs in rebounding.

But if you watch Hibbert he has a huge presence defensively. Forget blocks, he probably leads the league in altered shots.

Tony_Starks
01-23-2014, 01:46 PM
He makes a huge difference defensively in ways that stats don't always show. I've watched a few Pacers games this year and you can really tell the difference he makes by altering (not always blocking) many shots that come his way.

My bad just saw your post. Completely agree about altered shots...

D-Leethal
01-23-2014, 03:01 PM
He who boxes out, normally does not grab the rebound. Its all by design - Roy is huge, he uses his frame to box out the paint and they rebound by committee. They get 18 boards a game at the 2-3-4 spot and Scola gives them 5 more off the bench. I wouldn't want Roy chasing boards - I want him boxing out opposing bigs.

Storch
01-23-2014, 03:12 PM
The team gets a lot of the rebounds because of the defensive player's contests/stops/boxouts. The answer is easily yes.

Chronz
01-23-2014, 03:14 PM
You can be a ****** rebounder and be a great defender, alot of great rebounders are actually ****** defenders. Because rebounding can be pretty redundant, the value of a legit rim protector is greater defensively.

Rockice_8
01-23-2014, 04:22 PM
Already happened last year.

MonroeFAN
01-23-2014, 04:31 PM
Now, for the position, or poor rebounding numbers over all? This would pretty much guarantee that only big men can win the award which hardly seems fair.

Shlumpledink
01-23-2014, 04:41 PM
Being a defensive player is not about accumulating stats.

Being a good rebounder isn't all about getting rebounds. If you're boxing out or putting yourself out of defensive position by challenging a shot, you can't expect to get the rebound. Boxing out is a great rebounding play, but does not mean you get the rebound, it will actually help someone else get the rebound.

Some teams have many good rebounders in their lineup, so having someone average double digit rebounds is unnecessary.

Ideally, you would prefer a perimeter player get the rebound anyhow, as it allows more transition opportunities.

Red_Pill
01-23-2014, 04:50 PM
Hibberts not winning anything. Serge Ibaka will win.

MonroeFAN
01-23-2014, 05:07 PM
Storch, who is that incredible creature in your signature?

IndyRealist
01-24-2014, 12:10 AM
His rebounding is -slightly- below average at 12.4 per48, with the average being 13.4 for a center.

Roy Hibbert is the last line of defense in the paint. He moves to the ball and attempts to alter the shot without fouling. Consequentially he is out of position to rebound on any penetration into the lane. On offense he often clears out for David West or Luis Scola to post up, or penetration from PG or Lance Stephenson. Hibbert also comes out to set screens for the wings.

sunsfan88
01-24-2014, 08:30 AM
It's called defensive player of the year not rebounding player of the year.

sunsfan88
01-24-2014, 08:31 AM
Didn't Marc Gasol win DPOY last year averaging the exact same number of rebounds as Hibbert is this year?

b@llhog24
01-24-2014, 06:37 PM
Reggie Evans wishes he could lick Hibbert's jockstrap when it comes to defense.