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Chronz
01-21-2014, 11:58 AM
Why not allow these kids to enter the draft but return to school for as long as they want. That way they get the financial security (whenever they choose to enter the L) and they can stay to round out their games and/or obtain a degree.

Is there even a point? Is this even a problem in your opinion? I think the NBA can do as good a job as any college of developing players IMO, tho its prolly not best to have underage/immature kids going on a country trips with NBA vets.

LongIslandIcedZ
01-21-2014, 12:05 PM
My opinion is if they want to go pro out of HS, let them. Most of them are 18, and the ones that arent, probably will be soon. Their old enough to do what they want.

If they decide to go to college, they have to stay 3 years. Then they can declare for the draft.

D-Leethal
01-21-2014, 12:05 PM
I like your idea. Either that or force 2 years. 1 year is just making a mockery of higher level education.

I say let 'em come straight outta HS. I mean the 2 best players of this generation both came out of HS and probably a top 5 guy did as well. Pointing at guys like Curry and saying "they weren't ready" is a stupid exercise because there are plenty of 4 year college guys who don't pan out either.

Every other country you can go pro when your like 12 if your good enough. Olympic athletes might not get paid, but they sure as hell become full time athletes at a very young age.

Is the TRUE problem that we want them to get educated or we don't want to pay them?

Chronz
01-21-2014, 12:06 PM
btw werent college players allowed to do this in the past? can they still do it so long as they dont hire an agent?

conway429
01-21-2014, 12:45 PM
they should be forced to complete a 4 year degree before entering the league.
they should also have to pass an exam facilitated by a third party in order to enter the draft.
i'm so sick of morons getting hundreds of millions of dollars
but more importantly, the damage it does to younger generations who think if they just play lots of basketball then they'll be rich, so they don't need to go to school, get smarter, or develop their character.

MiamiBoy77
01-21-2014, 12:45 PM
My opinion is if they want to go pro out of HS, let them. Most of them are 18, and the ones that arent, probably will be soon. Their old enough to do what they want.

If they decide to go to college, they have to stay 3 years. Then they can declare for the draft.

i agree with this.. but i feel it should be 2 years. In 2 years you get your AA, in 4 you get your Bachelors (usually), so that 3rd year would be pointless.

Similar to how baseball does it... you can go out of HS, or go to College for X amount of years

MiamiBoy77
01-21-2014, 12:48 PM
they should be forced to complete a 4 year degree before entering the league.
they should also have to pass an exam facilitated by a third party in order to enter the draft.
i'm so sick of morons getting hundreds of millions of dollars
but more importantly, the damage it does to younger generations who think if they just play lots of basketball then they'll be rich, so they don't need to go to school, get smarter, or develop their character.

do you know how hard you have to train your body to get through an 82 game schedule and playoffs?

Also, I truly cant stand people that "dont like that these men make hundreds of millions"

it has nothing to do with the league that these guys make so much, it has to do with fans like you who spend all of your discretionary income watching these guys play this game. The more money that gets brought in annually, the more that gets spread out to the people that are driving the industry.. i dont see what there is to not understand.

MiamiBoy77
01-21-2014, 12:51 PM
sorry to triple post, but to the last part, "the damage it does to younger generations who think if they just play lots of basketball then they'll be rich, so they don't need to go to school, get smarter, or develop their character."

How about the kids that live in a very bad area and have no other choice then to play basketball, or else theyll end up in a gang with the rest of their family. Some of these guys arent as bad as you people make them out to be, just very misunderstood guys who caught a really good break and get to enjoy life and take care of their families.

PhillyFaninLA
01-21-2014, 12:52 PM
I'd say out of high school and 18 is fine, once you go to college you must get your degree or rich 22 years of age before entering the league.

Its not just about financial security you can only get the college experience when your young.

conway429
01-21-2014, 12:54 PM
do you know how hard you have to train your body to get through an 82 game schedule and playoffs?

Also, I truly cant stand people that "dont like that these men make hundreds of millions"

it has nothing to do with the league that these guys make so much, it has to do with fans like you who spend all of your discretionary income watching these guys play this game. The more money that gets brought in annually, the more that gets spread out to the people that are driving the industry.. i dont see what there is to not understand.

calm down dude, I very much understand basic economics.

I don't have a problem with athletes making hundreds of millions of dollars, what I said I had a problem with was morons making hundreds of millions of dollars.

And that for every 1 player who makes it to the NBA and gets paid, there's 20,000 failures who now have no education and become a drain on society (welfare, crime, etc)

Every kid grows up thinking they can "make it", but if "making it" involves absolutely no academic achievement, then there's no motivation to ever better yourself. And then when you don't "make it" you have a bunch of bums who have wasted their lives and have absolutely nothing to contribute to society.

The standard is far too low to become a multi-million dollar celebrity professional athlete

jerellh528
01-21-2014, 01:03 PM
I think any pro athlete should have to obtain a full 4 year college degree before coming into the pros, just like the majority of other high paying jobs in America require a degree. It'll mature them out and maybe change the fact that more than 60% of nba ballers and 78% of nfl players become bankrupt upon leaving their respective leagues.

Teeboy1487
01-21-2014, 01:07 PM
I hate one and done and I hate that high schoolers can't get drafted. It's been a drop off in superstar talent since the rule was implemented. College is not for everyone. The league could be missing out on some great talent, who stop pursuing their dream because of the college factor. I say highschoolers should be allowed to be drafted. However, if you decide to go to college, there should be a required two year commitment to the program before entering the NBA.

Theyhateme459
01-21-2014, 01:12 PM
I hate one and done and I hate that high schoolers can't get drafted. It's been a drop off in superstar talent since the rule was implemented. College is not for everyone. The league could be missing out on some great talent, who stop pursuing their dream because of the college factor. I say highschoolers should be allowed to be drafted. However, if you decide to go to college, there should be a required two year commitment to the program before entering the NBA.

If a player who coming out of high school was going to be a superstar at 18 as an NBA player, I REALLY do not believe 1 year of college will effect his game so much that they could no longer be a NBA superstar. I disagree 100% with the rule being the cause for less superstars in the league.

KnicksorBust
01-21-2014, 01:59 PM
they should be forced to complete a 4 year degree before entering the league.
they should also have to pass an exam facilitated by a third party in order to enter the draft.
i'm so sick of morons getting hundreds of millions of dollars
but more importantly, the damage it does to younger generations who think if they just play lots of basketball then they'll be rich, so they don't need to go to school, get smarter, or develop their character.

You can't be serious. And what do you say to the LeBron James who gets a career-ending injury in college and never cashes in on the millions he would have made in the NBA?

There should be no limitation. Let middle school kids declare for the NBA Draft for all I care. If they are good enough, let them make the decision for themselves.

Cal827
01-21-2014, 02:30 PM
A "two and shoo" program would suffice :D

Joking aside,

Teams should be able to draft players when they want to, but if they don't declare out of high-school, then they should be required to stay in the college for 3 years in order to get their degree.

The team which drafted they player would still retain the rights to the player and could assist them in maintaining finances for school/homelife (E.g. like maybe pay them like 200 or 300k per year in order to retain their rights).

After they complete the years in college, then the team can sign them to the entry level deals.
Of course, teams could also trade away their rights to these players in other deals.

desertlakeshow
01-21-2014, 03:55 PM
Put the ball in the hoop well and get paid well.

No PHD needed, no Masters degree needed, no Bachelors degree needed, no 2 year trade school needed, no High school degree needed, no GED needed, no school ever needed what so ever.

And if you give a group of A-Holes any of the above paperwork from schooling you still have A-holes. There are plenty of rich well educated A-holes running around this planet.

Funny thread, made me laugh.

J4KOP99
01-21-2014, 03:57 PM
No kid that gets drafted is going to then go back and "work on their game and/or obtain a degree"

As ac/dc once said "money talks"

Theyhateme459
01-21-2014, 04:00 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with the NBA not allowing kids straight out of high school to enter the league. At the end of the day it's a business and kids don't have any rights to force a company to hire them at that age. Just like if a company says they will only hire individuals with college degrees, or people over the age of 18 or 21, that is their right as a company!

Now to fix the one and done problem I think the NBA should raise the time out of high school to two years. At the same time allow high school students who choose not to go to college to play in the D-League for two years. That way they can focus solely on their craft and get paid before entering the NBA.

J4KOP99
01-21-2014, 04:14 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with the NBA not allowing kids straight out of high school to enter the league. At the end of the day it's a business and kids don't have any rights to force a company to hire them at that age. Just like if a company says they will only hire individuals with college degrees, or people over the age of 18 or 21, that is their right as a company!

Now to fix the one and done problem I think the NBA should raise the time out of high school to two years. At the same time allow high school students who choose not to go to college to play in the D-League for two years. That way they can focus solely on their craft and get paid before entering the NBA.

Not a bad idea at all. This would be absolutely huge for the d league and in turn, for the nba as well. I think d league players get paid though. So would you keep the pay at a very minimum? Or would certain talents get paid more? And would those nba teams who own d league teams get the rights to "their" players somehow? Or do they play in the d league and then enter the draft like normal?

Jamiecballer
01-21-2014, 04:26 PM
My opinion is if they want to go pro out of HS, let them. Most of them are 18, and the ones that arent, probably will be soon. Their old enough to do what they want.

If they decide to go to college, they have to stay 3 years. Then they can declare for the draft.
co-sign.

if they want to piss away their chance at a good career, let them. if they are good enough that leaving out of high school works out, good for them. but please, the quality of play in both the nba and college game has suffered from all the one and dones.

PowerHouse
01-21-2014, 04:31 PM
I dont think 1 and done is even a big problem. What was a problem (for both NCAA and NBA) was in the late 90s/early 2000s when all of the talented players were jumping straight to the league.

Jamiecballer
01-21-2014, 04:39 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with the NBA not allowing kids straight out of high school to enter the league. At the end of the day it's a business and kids don't have any rights to force a company to hire them at that age. Just like if a company says they will only hire individuals with college degrees, or people over the age of 18 or 21, that is their right as a company!

Now to fix the one and done problem I think the NBA should raise the time out of high school to two years. At the same time allow high school students who choose not to go to college to play in the D-League for two years. That way they can focus solely on their craft and get paid before entering the NBA.

i think that's a great idea. if somebody wants to draft them out of high school they go to the D-League but remain property of the team that drafted them.

the D-League then becomes a much better product, thus hopefully increasing revenues allowing the players in the D-League to be paid more - just not earth-shartering amounts.

that's right, i said earth-shartering.

valade16
01-21-2014, 05:22 PM
they should be forced to complete a 4 year degree before entering the league.
they should also have to pass an exam facilitated by a third party in order to enter the draft.
i'm so sick of morons getting hundreds of millions of dollars
but more importantly, the damage it does to younger generations who think if they just play lots of basketball then they'll be rich, so they don't need to go to school, get smarter, or develop their character.

You understand they are not being drafted based on their academic achievement or intelligence. They are being drafted based on their ability to put a basketball through a basketball hoop. There should be no academic restrictions on what it takes to go to the NBA because the second you impose academic restrictions (such as forcing them to go to college or get a degree) you open up the probability of academic fraud.

We have seen Stanford make special classes open to only those in academics to get easier grades. We have seen allegations that students at UNC can barely read at a HS level. These are not diploma mills, but some of the finest academic institutions in the country who are shamelessly bending the rules to get kids eligible to make money for their institution.

Simply put: if those that value academics the most don't even care about these kids getting an education, why should the kids?


calm down dude, I very much understand basic economics.

I don't have a problem with athletes making hundreds of millions of dollars, what I said I had a problem with was morons making hundreds of millions of dollars.

And that for every 1 player who makes it to the NBA and gets paid, there's 20,000 failures who now have no education and become a drain on society (welfare, crime, etc)

Every kid grows up thinking they can "make it", but if "making it" involves absolutely no academic achievement, then there's no motivation to ever better yourself. And then when you don't "make it" you have a bunch of bums who have wasted their lives and have absolutely nothing to contribute to society.

The standard is far too low to become a multi-million dollar celebrity professional athlete

Do you have any verifiable numbers that show how many college hoops players that don't make it to the professional ranks go on to be drains on soceity? My HS basketball coach was a college player at University of Idaho. I don't consider a teacher a "drain on soceity"...

Shammyguy3
01-21-2014, 06:47 PM
i've always been on the "Let them declare straight out of high school, if they choose to go to College then they stay 2 years" team

conway429
01-21-2014, 06:57 PM
You understand they are not being drafted based on their academic achievement or intelligence. They are being drafted based on their ability to put a basketball through a basketball hoop. There should be no academic restrictions on what it takes to go to the NBA because the second you impose academic restrictions (such as forcing them to go to college or get a degree) you open up the probability of academic fraud.

We have seen Stanford make special classes open to only those in academics to get easier grades. We have seen allegations that students at UNC can barely read at a HS level. These are not diploma mills, but some of the finest academic institutions in the country who are shamelessly bending the rules to get kids eligible to make money for their institution.

Simply put: if those that value academics the most don't even care about these kids getting an education, why should the kids?


Thats why the next sentence says they should have to pass an exam administered by a third party to be able to enter the draft....



Do you have any verifiable numbers that show how many college hoops players that don't make it to the professional ranks go on to be drains on soceity? My HS basketball coach was a college player at University of Idaho. I don't consider a teacher a "drain on soceity"...

I don't have verifiable numbers, because they'd be impossible to get.
I don't mean there's a problem with people who play in college and not going pro.
I mean there's a problem with kids growing up thinking they don't even need to be able to put together a coherent sentence because as long as they can ball, they'll be good.
there needs to be a higher standard placed on these athletes who grow up to be role models.
it can't be "I wanna grow up to be Michael Jordan, so I need to work on my jumper so I can make the NBA" it needs to be "I wanna grow up to be Michael Jordan, so I need to work on my jumper AND pay attention in school so I can make the NBA"
there's absolutely no academic/intelligence requirement for pro athletes and society would be improved if there was one.
that way, when 99.9999% of these kids grow up and fall short of playing pro, they actually have something to do for the rest of their lives

Kashmir13579
01-21-2014, 07:44 PM
Where's the security for NBA teams signing these players? I don't see how it works.

valade16
01-21-2014, 07:56 PM
Thats why the next sentence says they should have to pass an exam administered by a third party to be able to enter the draft....

I don't have verifiable numbers, because they'd be impossible to get.
I don't mean there's a problem with people who play in college and not going pro.
I mean there's a problem with kids growing up thinking they don't even need to be able to put together a coherent sentence because as long as they can ball, they'll be good.
there needs to be a higher standard placed on these athletes who grow up to be role models.
it can't be "I wanna grow up to be Michael Jordan, so I need to work on my jumper so I can make the NBA" it needs to be "I wanna grow up to be Michael Jordan, so I need to work on my jumper AND pay attention in school so I can make the NBA"
there's absolutely no academic/intelligence requirement for pro athletes and society would be improved if there was one.
that way, when 99.9999% of these kids grow up and fall short of playing pro, they actually have something to do for the rest of their lives

There is no 3rd party on earth that would be incapable of being influenced to pass these kids with less than stellar marks. Think of an organization that is involved with oversight of a sport. There are none that you can point to that are devoid of major controversies.

NCAA?
FIFA?
NFL?
Baseball?
NBA?

Every single one has been accused or proven to have fraud or nefarious dealings. That is because when this many millions are on the line, people will always find a way to circumvent cumbersome rules. I guarantee the team that puts education first will have a record similar to the Bobcats.

conway429
01-21-2014, 08:46 PM
There is no 3rd party on earth that would be incapable of being influenced to pass these kids with less than stellar marks. Think of an organization that is involved with oversight of a sport. There are none that you can point to that are devoid of major controversies.

NCAA?
FIFA?
NFL?
Baseball?
NBA?

Every single one has been accused or proven to have fraud or nefarious dealings. That is because when this many millions are on the line, people will always find a way to circumvent cumbersome rules. I guarantee the team that puts education first will have a record similar to the Bobcats.

OK well just because sports have occurrences of fraud doesn't mean that it wouldn't be possible. Especially when the issue is testing. Players still fail drug tests. Generally, athlete-student's tests scores/marks are reported accurately. The fact that soccer refs fix matches has nothing to do with whether or not you could conduct an academic test successfully.

An exam could easily be done without a problem. Heck you could have all the players assigned a number, with their exam score and their ID kept separate. It's very possible. Also, yes, Lance Armstrong and A-Rod other pro athletes have the resources to conduct their own fraud, but how many athletes are gonna warrant that kind of an investment coming out of college? Hardly a sure thing.

And to be honest it doesn't even matter if it works or not. It doesn't make a difference if one or two superstars slip through the cracks and beat the system. What matters is the perception that to be an NBA player you have to earn your degree and be intelligent enough to pass a standardized test. When kids are 8 and 10 years old, they won't be thinking that the entire system is flawed and there's ways around it and this and that. They'll be thinking that in order to be like their idols, they have to work hard and pay attention in school and not grow into degenerates. And then when they fail and don't make it to the NBA, they're still on a good path towards a university degree and a life and a future to look forward to.

mightybosstone
01-21-2014, 08:51 PM
Why not allow these kids to enter the draft but return to school for as long as they want. That way they get the financial security (whenever they choose to enter the L) and they can stay to round out their games and/or obtain a degree.

In an ideal world, this would be awesome. But I think you would run into a wall with NBA contracts and with NCAA rules violations. NBA teams will probably want their drafted plays to train a certain way, and I wonder if there would be certain issues with drafted players getting seriously injured in NCAA games? Then imagine the headache of college players getting drafted and hanging out with their NBA teammates at strip clubs.

conway429
01-21-2014, 08:54 PM
In an ideal world, this would be awesome. But I think you would run into a wall with NBA contracts and with NCAA rules violations. NBA teams will probably want their drafted plays to train a certain way, and I wonder if there would be certain issues with drafted players getting seriously injured in NCAA games? Then imagine the headache of college players getting drafted and hanging out with their NBA teammates at strip clubs.

Also that that would mean NCAA athletes would have agents...

Cracka2HI!
01-21-2014, 11:24 PM
It would be a great idea, but I don't think it would allowed by the NCAA. I don't really like the 1 and done thing but it's better than letting high school kids enter the draft. You have to protect these kids from themselves. A lot of them aren't very, well...financially savvy. Most of these kids either have never gotten or can't take criticism. They aren't realistic about their game or NBA prospects and they end up blowing their future when they could have at least spent 1 year in college and gotten a better idea of their chances. A lot more high school kids failed than got rich or even earned a comfortable living.

JasonJohnHorn
01-22-2014, 12:24 AM
Firstly, I have NO clue why the NCAA is so set on shooting itself in the foot. Let the kids sign endorsement deals. Who gives a fawk if they get paid by Nike whilst they are playing in college?

Secondly, why not allow colleges to pay the kids? The colleges rake in boatloads of cash on the backs of these kids. Why not give them a cut.

Thirdly, why aren't these kids just signing to play in Europe for a couple of season like Jennings did and make some money until they are eligible? Europe WILL pay them fresh out of highschool.

John Walls Era
01-22-2014, 12:31 AM
Its unamerican to not let anyone over 18 declare for the draft right away. College injuries can screw up someones future.