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spreadeagle
01-09-2014, 07:32 AM
Jabari Parker would almost certainly be a top-3 pick if he declares for the 2014 NBA Draft, but it isn't a lock that he leaves Duke after just one season.

Parker, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, may also go on a mission.

"I'm told a Mormon mission still isn't out of the question for him," wrote Chad Ford. "I asked several GMs about what would happen to his draft stock if he declared for the draft and then said he was going on a two year mission. I was surprised how many of them said they'd still consider him with the No. 1 pick." http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49772

Raps18-19 Champ
01-09-2014, 07:43 AM
Isn't that child porn in your sig?

ModernDaySavage
01-09-2014, 07:54 AM
The more the merrier.

DitchDat
01-09-2014, 07:55 AM
How much of a possibility is this?

koreancabbage
01-09-2014, 11:02 AM
he would be the perfect fit in Utah!

isn't that like Mormon central in the US?

JNA17
01-09-2014, 11:13 AM
I don't understand why GMs would still pick him at number 1 if that were the case.

If this guy was basically a teen coming out of high school, than yeah but turning 20 and then missing two years for something that will probably eventually make him even forget how to play basketball (I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean).

Although GMs did say they would consider him not just pick him up blindly.

In this draft honestly, you could pick Wiggins or Randle or Exum and you wouldn't be wrong. So if this turns out to be a real thing with Parker, I would just skip over him.

That and how possibly religion might be more of a big deal to him than basketball.

D-Leethal
01-09-2014, 11:17 AM
he would be the perfect fit in Utah!

isn't that like Mormon central in the US?

Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?

Raps18-19 Champ
01-09-2014, 11:18 AM
They said he would be considered, but doubt anyone actually picks him. He probably won't be David Robinson great enough for you to waste a #1 then wait on him, especially when we don't know how much burn time he will get on the court, if any, to make improvements during those 2 years.

D-Leethal
01-09-2014, 11:18 AM
I don't understand why GMs would still pick him at number 1 if that were the case.

If this guy was basically a teen coming out of high school, than yeah but turning 20 and then missing two years for something that will probably eventually make him even forget how to play basketball (I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean).

Although GMs did say they would consider him not just pick him up blindly.

In this draft honestly, you could pick Wiggins or Randle or Exum and you wouldn't be wrong. So if this turns out to be a real thing with Parker, I would just skip over him.

That and how possibly religion might be more of a big deal to him than basketball.

MJ is MJ, but I think he showed you can stop playing the sport in your prime and its just like riding a bike when you get back into it.

Mike Vick also had one of the best seasons of his career directly out of a 2 year jail stint. A few months of refining his game and he will be right back to top 3 pick status.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
01-09-2014, 11:25 AM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?

They go out and try to baptize you and get you to become a Mormon.

Tony_Starks
01-09-2014, 11:34 AM
I respect him for having the conviction of his beliefs. If I'm a GM those are the kind of intangibles I want in a leader of my team....

YoungOne
01-09-2014, 11:34 AM
They go out and try to baptize you and get you to become a Mormon.

good luck with that lol

pebloemer
01-09-2014, 11:38 AM
They go out and try to baptize you and get you to become a Mormon.

Yah, I don't think that takes 2 years. I'm still curious about the question he asked.

nolin
01-09-2014, 12:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49772

parker is not going on a mission. Don't you think he would of went to byu if he planned on that?

Gibby23
01-09-2014, 12:22 PM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?

They give you a ten speed, helmet, white dress shirt, black tie, and you have to ride around trying to convert people. Sometimes he will have to ring a door bell early in the morning and wake somebody up early in the morning.

futureman
01-09-2014, 02:35 PM
Crud. They're supposed to hate Mormons out in these big markets. There goes the advantage the Jazz had at getting him if they didn't get the first pick. I would've thought his draft stock would've fallen if he chose to serve a mission which, I was hoping would happen.

futureman
01-09-2014, 02:36 PM
All of them take 2 years. If your a lady, it's only 18 months.

D-Leethal
01-09-2014, 02:37 PM
They give you a ten speed, helmet, white dress shirt, black tie, and you have to ride around trying to convert people. Sometimes he will have to ring a door bell early in the morning and wake somebody up early in the morning.

Damn, really? Not to get all religious and ****, but when that kind of **** is a basis of your religion, it sounds more like a cult than a belief system. Preach to those that ask for it, leave that other **** at the door.

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-09-2014, 04:07 PM
He's not going on a morman mission lol.

spreadeagle
01-09-2014, 04:07 PM
Isn't that child porn in your sig?

lmao...dude they are fully clothed and above 18 I assure you

KnicksorBust
01-09-2014, 04:15 PM
How often does this happen? Bill Bradley and David Robinson are the only other ones I could think of

Red_Pill
01-09-2014, 04:34 PM
He won't go on a mission. He'll get drafted, make big money, and give the mandatory 10-20% the Mormon church requires of all of it's members. Just like every other religion, it's about money and control. The church leaders are probably telling him to just play ball.

TrueFan420
01-09-2014, 05:00 PM
Isn't that child porn in your sig?

They could be 18

NBA_Starter
01-09-2014, 09:50 PM
He isn't playing to well lately.

lpdunks8
01-09-2014, 10:36 PM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?

They wear short sleeve dress shirts and try to get people to convert.

I guess some of them play ball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv5W1eFVtSs

beasted86
01-09-2014, 10:53 PM
Last I recall, doesn't a team flat out lose a player's draft rights if they don't play professional ball for 2 years?

Sounds like a ploy so he can basically control who he is drafted by.

JNA17
01-09-2014, 10:54 PM
MJ is MJ, but I think he showed you can stop playing the sport in your prime and its just like riding a bike when you get back into it.

Mike Vick also had one of the best seasons of his career directly out of a 2 year jail stint. A few months of refining his game and he will be right back to top 3 pick status.

This isn't Parker playing the NBA for 10+ years than retiring for two and coming back. This is Parker not even playing a single game in the NBA after being drafting for two years.

Pretty big difference and we don't even know if Parker is even capable of being a star in the NBA whether he does this religion thing or not.

DreamShaker
01-09-2014, 11:08 PM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?


They go out and try to baptize you and get you to become a Mormon.

I became friends with some missionaries, they were cool guys. Big Jazz fans!! They go out to a few different areas over a two year span and work for different congregations. Their parents raise money from the day they are born to go on this. They go door to door to teach and convert people. They also are not allowed to watch tv or go to the beach, like a 2 year fast almost. I DID play hoops with the guys. They played almost daily at the church they were at. But that's the gist of it. I don't know all the details, but that's what they described to me. They likely do charity/community work as well. At least that is usually what happens in mission work. He will also be known as "Elder Parker" if he goes out. Shawn Bradley went on a mission. So this is not unprecidented.

DreamShaker
01-09-2014, 11:20 PM
Just like every other religion, it's about money and control

Very broad statement. Personally offensive to me, even though it might be true in some cases. But there are a lot of people out there doing real good expecting nothing in return.

bmd1101
01-10-2014, 12:25 AM
Damn, really? Not to get all religious and ****, but when that kind of **** is a basis of your religion, it sounds more like a cult than a belief system. Preach to those that ask for it, leave that other **** at the door.

He knows nothing of Mormonism.

Mormon's going door to door generally are not trying to convert anyone. These are not missions either, the "10 speed riders" are generally high school age to start prepping them for their mission if they choose to take a mission on AFTER they are adults. If he's devout, he probably will take on a mission in a foreign country. if he's not he probably wont. Don't go by that ******** TV show about Fundamentalists leaving their lives behind with jailed Prophet Warren Jeffs. I highly doubt most of the people they call Mormon's on that show really are, they act, dress, and live nothing like Mormon's I know.

You can tell a lot about a Mormon by the way they dress on a daily basis, i'm trying to find true street pictures of him that weren't part of some kind of appearance. No dice though.

mrblisterdundee
01-10-2014, 12:52 AM
It might help Utah make a trade, if it's willing to swallow two years without him. It would also have to give up Burke, Favors or Hayward.

Jeffy25
01-10-2014, 01:18 AM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?
Didn't see the Book of Mormon? ;)

Red_Pill
01-10-2014, 03:03 AM
Very broad statement. Personally offensive to me, even though it might be true in some cases. But there are a lot of people out there doing real good expecting nothing in return.

Personally offensive? Why should I care if you're offended over my opinion? Stating "I'm offended" is nothing more than whining. Realize some people have different opinions, and get over it.

Trueblue2
01-10-2014, 03:19 AM
Brigham Young at one point was head of the Mormon church and created a Mormon colony in Utah. BYU is a Mormon University.

Anyone know what these "missions" consist of? Anything specific or just dudes going out and "finding themselves"?

Its the door to door god salesmen you see riding bikes and wearing white button up shirts, black dickeys, and a tie.

DreamShaker
01-10-2014, 03:35 AM
Personally offensive? Why should I care if you're offended over my opinion? Stating "I'm offended" is nothing more than whining. Realize some people have different opinions, and get over it.

Let me clarify. I'm offended is the biggest throwaway statement I made in that post. And it is the one you harped on. That was not my intent. I should have left that out. I wasn't really as much offended as I was in strong disagreement with you, as a Christian who has missed meals and hurt my pocket book to help others with no intent of credit or reciprocity, and I was taught to be that way and see those qualities in large volume all over the place. I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, but I saw your statement, disagreed on a personal level, and used the word "offended" as a lazy way to describe my reaction to the statement. You don't know me..so I'm not arrogant enough to expect you to be concerned over my opinion. But no hard feelings. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I to think it's wrong.

Red_Pill
01-10-2014, 06:17 PM
Let me clarify. I'm offended is the biggest throwaway statement I made in that post. And it is the one you harped on. That was not my intent. I should have left that out. I wasn't really as much offended as I was in strong disagreement with you, as a Christian who has missed meals and hurt my pocket book to help others with no intent of credit or reciprocity, and I was taught to be that way and see those qualities in large volume all over the place. I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, but I saw your statement, disagreed on a personal level, and used the word "offended" as a lazy way to describe my reaction to the statement. You don't know me..so I'm not arrogant enough to expect you to be concerned over my opinion. But no hard feelings. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I to think it's wrong.

I think people who help others are awesome, and the moral lessons one can learn from religion are very important, my problem from organized religion stems from the fact that, in the past, it was used as a means of social control and a power grab, and even in certain places today, it's still the case.

Let me make it clear, I'm not attacking your right and choice to follow a religion, nor am I attacking your religion in general. I think the followers can do a lot of good, but it's the leaders in the organizations that I take issue with.

I appreciate your levelheadedness.

DreamShaker
01-10-2014, 06:57 PM
I think people who help others are awesome, and the moral lessons one can learn from religion are very important, my problem from organized religion stems from the fact that, in the past, it was used as a means of social control and a power grab, and even in certain places today, it's still the case.

Let me make it clear, I'm not attacking your right and choice to follow a religion, nor am I attacking your religion in general. I think the followers can do a lot of good, but it's the leaders in the organizations that I take issue with.

I appreciate your levelheadedness.

No problem. That makes sense, and I don't totally disagree with that. Glad we could come to peace ;)

Tony_Starks
01-10-2014, 07:36 PM
A black Mormon... how unfortunate.

To be honest I've never came across, heard about, or even known of the existence of black Mormons in my small little worId. I have my own opinions on that but whatever, if it makes him content so be it.....

MagicBucsSox
01-10-2014, 07:56 PM
You guys just need to remember Dwight Howard was once the "good Christian faith boy" when drafted , 6 baby mamas at age 28 now. Money is the root......., he's gonna play and a bs excuse why he didn't take the mission the agency will take care of.
Nothing to see here

ManRam
01-10-2014, 08:02 PM
I knock him down a few picks because of his Mormon faith!

MagicBucsSox
01-10-2014, 08:03 PM
I knock him down a few picks because of his Mormon faith!
You crazy as heck my man

R. Johnson#3
01-11-2014, 07:33 PM
Destined for Utah

goalie
01-11-2014, 07:59 PM
For those asking about a mission: they basically go to a poverty stricken country or area and attempt to convert everyone while they are there "helping out"

Shawn Bradley did a two year mission and missed two years of his eligibility at BYU. He was still drafted high and doesn't have an ounce of the talent Parker has. Of course the huge difference is that Bradley completed his before being drafted.

magic0320
01-12-2014, 04:46 AM
i have ton of friends who are lds and went to mission. no one came back in shape and most of them gained ton of weights...and fatter. idk if i would spend 1st overall if he is going on lds mission.

Goose17
01-12-2014, 08:13 AM
Utah will be gasping for that first pick.

PurpleLynch
01-12-2014, 08:47 AM
In Italy my grilfriend knew a group of american mormons on mission.I dunno why in Italy,but they were here!

Anyway,glad he missed those mission years. He probably could lost a huge chunk of preparation for the Nba.Unless you are Embiid,you can't.

2-ONE-5
01-13-2014, 12:32 PM
highly unlikely he goes on his mission. you think he played ball at Simeon and now Duke not go right to the NBA?

2-ONE-5
01-13-2014, 12:34 PM
You guys just need to remember Dwight Howard was once the "good Christian faith boy" when drafted , 6 baby mamas at age 28 now. Money is the root......., he's gonna play and a bs excuse why he didn't take the mission the agency will take care of.
Nothing to see here

he doesnt need a bs excuse its not mandatory or required or even expected

LongIslandIcedZ
01-13-2014, 12:35 PM
Anyone else see Book of Mormon?

If not, I recommend it.

ManRam
01-13-2014, 01:15 PM
Utah will be gasping for that first pick.

With baby-face Gordon and the Mormon Jordan, they'd be such a hit in that whacked out city.

Daze9900
01-13-2014, 01:26 PM
Probably just a ploy to get drafted by Utah. If Utah lands the number one spot I can see him suddenly no longer on a "mission".

Heediot
01-14-2014, 07:37 AM
Just curious why can't he do a mission after his nba career.

FOBolous
01-14-2014, 11:52 AM
why wouldn't they? it's not like his talent is going to disappear because he went on a mission. sure he might be rusty and a little out of shape but that's not something a little time, practice, and training wouldn't fix. after the mission, he'll definitely be a safer "gamble" than some of the other 1st round picks in history *coughcoughGregOdencoughcough* if anything, the mission will make him MORE attractive because it shows he has a great attitude and personality...something that CAN'T be taught and have shown to really limit a player's potential and a team's success.

Jamiecballer
01-14-2014, 12:32 PM
i just know there's a joke in here somewhere involving heaven and hell, the mission, and being drafted by the Jazz. i just can't find it.

NBA_Starter
01-14-2014, 10:00 PM
Probably just a ploy to get drafted by Utah. If Utah lands the number one spot I can see him suddenly no longer on a "mission".

I could see that being the case.

donovanmcnabb
01-15-2014, 03:07 PM
he wont go. if he cared about his mormon faith he would have attended byu. this is all image related.

Rylz
01-15-2014, 03:58 PM
From mormon.org (an official website of the Mormon or LDS church):


You might wonder what, exactly, a Mormon missionary does, other than ride a bike and knock on doors, or how a young man or woman just out of high school might end up on a mission. Here are the basics.

Most of the Church's missionaries are around twenty years old, though many members also volunteer to serve after they've retired. All prospective missionaries turn in applications to Church headquarters and they receive a call to a specific mission around the world. They spend a few weeks in a training center where some of them learn a new language and all of them rigorously study and practice teaching the gospel. Then they set off to their assigned locations and begin their service. Missionaries' lives are completely dedicated to sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. They pay their own way and put off school, dating and work for two years in order to focus entirely on doing the Lord's work.

A common morning for a missionary might consist of waking up at 6:30 a.m., studying the scriptures, and meeting new people to share the gospel with. The afternoon might include discussing gospel lessons with people they meet and volunteering for service in the community. A good night has them teaching the gospel to interested individuals and helping them learn and keep God's commandments or attending a baptismal service for someone who's decided to join the Church. They return home around 9:30 p.m. and fall into bed, usually exhausted and happy.

Source: http://mormon.org/values/missionary-work

As a former mormon missionary myself, this is a good overview. Most of the day is dedicated to study, teaching, and community service, with very little time for recreation, practice, or hitting the gym. It will be interesting to see what he decides and how that will affect his game