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MackShock
12-26-2013, 09:14 PM
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Friday, December 27th, 2013
7:30PM Pacific Time

Oracle Arena
The BAY, Californ-I-A
415 510 408 650 925 707

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PROJECTED LINEUPS




The Dubs



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Phoenix Suns



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THE RUNDOWN



MUST. WIN. GAME.
Warriors Home Record: 10-4
Suns Road Record: 7-6



Thread goal: 300 posts

MackShock
12-26-2013, 09:15 PM
at this point in the season, the suns have played 3 less games than us. it leads me to believe theyve been rested...favorable schedule? perhaps.

COOLbeans
12-26-2013, 09:56 PM
victory for the home team

lol, please
12-26-2013, 10:27 PM
Must win game.

lol, please
12-26-2013, 10:28 PM
at this point in the season, the suns have played 3 less games than us. it leads me to believe theyve been rested...favorable schedule? perhaps.

I can't remember the last time we played a team with equal or less games played than us, and I always check, lol.

GSRaider
12-26-2013, 10:56 PM
Must win game.

I know its early in the season but they all feel like must win games... Western Conference is a meat grinder this year.

Leandres_sf
12-26-2013, 11:30 PM
Win.

likemystylez
12-27-2013, 01:17 AM
I hope they dont plan on sitting and watching frye shoot 3s

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 03:27 AM
The dubs should win, but they have to take Phoenix seriously or it's gonna be another long night. They must execute and hustle 48 minutes.

MackShock
12-27-2013, 03:30 AM
ODP shut up. I already reported you.

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 04:24 AM
ODP shut up. I already reported you.


I already told you I'm not the same ODP. I'm pretty sure you haven't reported me. You won't find anything on me, I guarantee it. I'm not the same poster.

MackShock
12-27-2013, 05:02 AM
Lol you told me not to snitch. So i know it's you. I'm not stupid though. Did you ever find me at 24?

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 06:25 AM
Lol you told me not to snitch. So i know it's you. I'm not stupid though. Did you ever find me at 24?


I'm not the same poster as Over Da Pence though and I'm sure you're not stupid. Yea I saw you saying you're gonna report me so of course I told you not to snitch on me since I'm someone else. Because In your mind you think you know who I am I guess because I have the same initials. Who am I if you know who I am? What happened at 24? Fitness? You play ball there?

MackShock
12-27-2013, 08:49 AM
Only ODP would know that. Congrats for Busting yourself out. :clap:

Goose17
12-27-2013, 09:50 AM
33-19

That's what we need now if we want 50 wins^

So we can't lose more than 19 games from this point on.

I never predicted 50 wins but for those that did^


Anyway, this should be a fun game, I feel like we should be able to take it, I can't remember the last time Curry had two consecutive games with poor shooting, he'll probably be back on form.

Good defense and production from the bench please. (Is it too late to ask Santa?)

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 11:09 AM
Only ODP would know that. Congrats for Busting yourself out. :clap:


R u gay for the guy or something? You're trolling? I just want to talk about the game. U come across as either having a major crush on him or just immature.

likemystylez
12-27-2013, 11:25 AM
33-19

That's what we need now if we want 50 wins^

So we can't lose more than 19 games from this point on.

I never predicted 50 wins but for those that did^


Anyway, this should be a fun game, I feel like we should be able to take it, I can't remember the last time Curry had two consecutive games with poor shooting, he'll probably be back on form.

Good defense and production from the bench please. (Is it too late to ask Santa?)

They had 48 wins last year (if you count the april 12th laker game as a win)- You didnt think the addition of a healthy Bogut and Iggy along with likely improvement of guys like barnes, thompson, Green, and bazemore could get them a few more wins? If not- is bogut really worth 14 million a year?

Warriors talent level is good enough for 55+ wins- their heart and desire is at about 35-40 wins. That team that had so much passion in the playoffs seems to be content being a .500 team this year. Its really hard to predict a future lack of desire.

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 11:53 AM
They had 48 wins last year (if you count the april 12th laker game as a win)- You didnt think the addition of a healthy Bogut and Iggy along with likely improvement of guys like barnes, thompson, Green, and bazemore could get them a few more wins? If not- is bogut really worth 14 million a year?

Warriors talent level is good enough for 55+ wins- their heart and desire is at about 35-40 wins. That team that had so much passion in the playoffs seems to be content being a .500 team this year. Its really hard to predict a future lack of desire.


The Warriors will probably win 52 games, their schedule gets easier

Leandres_sf
12-27-2013, 01:16 PM
33-19 is certainly doable. A lot more home games and an all around easier portion of the schedule.

Scoots
12-27-2013, 01:24 PM
The loss of Iguodala for so many games really hurt. Iguodala said that Green and he were the only vocal leaders on the team ... and apparently not everyone can hear them. The D has made a big step back toward where they were now that Iguodala is back.

likemystylez
12-27-2013, 01:46 PM
The loss of Iguodala for so many games really hurt. Iguodala said that Green and he were the only vocal leaders on the team ... and apparently not everyone can hear them. The D has made a big step back toward where they were now that Iguodala is back.

they lost 4 or 5 games because of effort level alone... had nothing to do with iggy being out there.

likemystylez
12-27-2013, 01:47 PM
33-19 is certainly doable. A lot more home games and an all around easier portion of the schedule.

The problem is- this team shouldnt be aiming for 50 wins!, this team should be shooting for 55 or so and trying to get home court advantage in the first round.

If the suns (with their talent level) can be 17-10.... the warriors could be like 25-5 right now if they were getting as much out of their talent as the suns.

Goose17
12-27-2013, 04:14 PM
They had 48 wins last year (if you count the april 12th laker game as a win)- You didnt think the addition of a healthy Bogut and Iggy along with likely improvement of guys like barnes, thompson, Green, and bazemore could get them a few more wins? If not- is bogut really worth 14 million a year?

Warriors talent level is good enough for 55+ wins- their heart and desire is at about 35-40 wins. That team that had so much passion in the playoffs seems to be content being a .500 team this year. Its really hard to predict a future lack of desire.

We had this discussion in the off season but I'll go through it again because clearly you've forgotten.

If we had this team last year I think we would have gotten fifty wins (actually I think we would have gotten 55-56), but the West has VASTLY improved since last season. There's a lot of teams with high level talent or great depth or both.

There's no team in the West that doesn't have the talent and/or depth required to upset any other team in the West on any given night.

The West has always been competitive, even more so now. I'll have to go back in my posts but I think I predicted 48-49 wins.


It's not that we haven't improved, it's that about eight other teams in the conference improved at the same time. And then Phoenix and Portland just come out and surprise pretty much everyone, so now you have Portland, Clippers, Houston, Phoenix and our Warriors all "up and coming" plus the obvious contenders OKC and San Antonio. Plus "dark horse" teams fighting for a playoff spot, Minnesota, Dallas, New Orleans and at a stretch maybe the Lakers if they get Kobe back playing at a decent level. All of these teams can beat us on any given night just as easily as we can beat them.

On any random night we're as good as any of these teams and they're as good as we are, there's no clear favourites anymore.




But that's just my opinion and I already know you disagree because we've had this conversation before and I doubt your opinion has changed since the off season.

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 04:31 PM
The problem is- this team shouldnt be aiming for 50 wins!, this team should be shooting for 55 or so and trying to get home court advantage in the first round.

If the suns (with their talent level) can be 17-10.... the warriors could be like 25-5 right now if they were getting as much out of their talent as the suns.


Love your attitude. We missed Iggy and that's the only thing that might make us come up a few short.

TrueFan420
12-27-2013, 05:45 PM
I know its early in the season but they all feel like must win games... Western Conference is a meat grinder this year.

Agreed

SugeKnight
12-27-2013, 05:49 PM
This team is better built for the playoffs, where rotations are shortened to maybe 8 guys getting significant playing time. Hopefully we get a good matchup in the first round

likemystylez
12-27-2013, 06:04 PM
This team is better built for the playoffs, where rotations are shortened to maybe 8 guys getting significant playing time. Hopefully we get a good matchup in the first round

at this rate- witht he west the way it is- lets just focus on getting into the playoffs

BrandoCommando
12-27-2013, 06:46 PM
at this rate- witht he west the way it is- lets just focus on getting into the playoffs

Agreed. Lets take it one game at a time

robbnen#31
12-27-2013, 08:47 PM
I already told you I'm not the same ODP. I'm pretty sure you haven't reported me. You won't find anything on me, I guarantee it. I'm not the same poster.

How's the same MAC Address treating you?

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 09:17 PM
How's the same MAC Address treating you?


I'm not ODP and don't know his address or type of computer.

MackShock
12-27-2013, 09:37 PM
For someone who claims to be innocent, you sure are trying to defend yourself on the subject matter quite a bit. If everything I said was asinine, you would completely ignore it. But given your vehement defense of my accusations, you definitely have something to hide.

Tell me, what happened to your dog?

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 09:46 PM
For someone who claims to be innocent, you sure are trying to defend yourself on the subject matter quite a bit. If everything I said was asinine, you would completely ignore it. But given your vehement defense of my accusations, you definitely have something to hide.

Tell me, what happened to your dog?


That's not possible. Like I said, I only care about the game tonight.

WES KOAST
12-27-2013, 10:12 PM
gonna be a good game tonite. if Bledsoe/dragic can keep pace with curry/thompson, they mite have a chance to win. it's gonna be a tuff win for phx tho but we'll c

MackShock
12-27-2013, 10:19 PM
Shut up ODP.

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 10:27 PM
Shut up ODP.


We gotta do a good job guarding Fry tonight. We'll do a better job defending the 3 point line too with Iggy back.

COOLbeans
12-27-2013, 10:35 PM
Yeah that's true...

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 11:38 PM
Mad respect doe to the Suns, one of the most pleasant surprises in the NBA at a respectable record of 17-10.

lol, please
12-27-2013, 11:46 PM
Dubs looking like a championship team.

lol, please
12-27-2013, 11:49 PM
Bogut to the rim!!

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 11:53 PM
Bogut to the rim!!


He's the GOAT

lol, please
12-27-2013, 11:55 PM
He's human!! (Fitz voice)

lol, please
12-27-2013, 11:56 PM
Where is spanklin? Dubs are winning.

lol, please
12-27-2013, 11:57 PM
Nice penetration by Green!

Odd Dubs Player
12-27-2013, 11:59 PM
Bogut is beasting, Klay needs to be careful though.

BrandoCommando
12-28-2013, 12:09 AM
I'm hoping Steph gets a triple double tonight.

lol, please
12-28-2013, 12:29 AM
The white Chris webber!

lol, please
12-28-2013, 12:34 AM
Barnes!

lol, please
12-28-2013, 12:36 AM
Iggys wet!!

BrandoCommando
12-28-2013, 12:38 AM
Now that's how you play basketball in a half. Now the Dubs need to continue this level of play on to the second half.

ESaady
12-28-2013, 12:40 AM
Currys ridiculous. 14-9-9 at half hahahah whaaaaaat

ESaady
12-28-2013, 12:40 AM
5 turnovers though:(

lol, please
12-28-2013, 12:59 AM
Curry 1 rebound away from a triple double.

And Lee is owning the suns.

ESaady
12-28-2013, 12:59 AM
Triple Double *****ezzzz

ESaady
12-28-2013, 01:01 AM
Curry 1 rebound away from a triple double.

And Lee is owning the suns.

Currys got the triple double already

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:01 AM
Lee to Bogut!

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:03 AM
Iggy for 3!!

ESaady
12-28-2013, 01:14 AM
If curry gets 20-15-15 he'll be the first pg to do that since JKidd in 1996

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:19 AM
Speights!! He did it for Leandres_sf :nod:

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:34 AM
Nedo is in :drool:

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:41 AM
Bench is playing well. That's what I like to see.

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:48 AM
Nedo for 3!!!!!!!! Aaaaahhhhhh!!!!! :jumpy: :jumpy: :faint:

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:48 AM
Douglas is wet!!

lol, please
12-28-2013, 01:51 AM
Game. Time to go 7-0 on the road. Go dubs!

likemystylez
12-28-2013, 02:10 AM
given the fact that the warriors are far stronger everywhere in their starting line up... this is what the game should look like with a reasonable level of effort and desire. Heck- if curry wasnt shooting 60% from the free throw line, if the warriors cut down on 6 or 7 of their 14 unforced turnovers, and if they made 2 or 3 more of their 10 wide open 3s.....the warriors could have gotten out of reach int he first half.

Odd Dubs Player
12-28-2013, 02:33 AM
great time guys. 13-3 with Iguodala!

Duncan = Donkey
12-28-2013, 02:53 AM
given the fact that the warriors are far stronger everywhere in their starting line up... this is what the game should look like with a reasonable level of effort and desire. Heck- if curry wasnt shooting 60% from the free throw line, if the warriors cut down on 6 or 7 of their 14 unforced turnovers, and if they made 2 or 3 more of their 10 wide open 3s.....the warriors could have gotten out of reach int he first half.

yeah the warriors should be blowing out PHX every game:rolleyes: jesus christ your delusional.

Fair Play though, you gave us a beatdown tonight.

Odd Dubs Player
12-28-2013, 04:03 AM
given the fact that the warriors are far stronger everywhere in their starting line up... this is what the game should look like with a reasonable level of effort and desire. Heck- if curry wasnt shooting 60% from the free throw line, if the warriors cut down on 6 or 7 of their 14 unforced turnovers, and if they made 2 or 3 more of their 10 wide open 3s.....the warriors could have gotten out of reach int he first half.

Agree the Dubs are capable of playing like tonight often. Iggy is a great catalyst. He's making everyone better.

likemystylez
12-28-2013, 11:46 AM
yeah the warriors should be blowing out PHX every game:rolleyes: jesus christ your delusional.

Fair Play though, you gave us a beatdown tonight.

No just look at the suns rotation. How many guys on that roster are on the all star ballot? How many players do they have that will even be considered for an all NBA team.

Bogut> Plumley
Lee > Frye
Iggy>Tucker
Klay> Dragic
Curry>Bled

The only way the suns are even in the game is if the warriors are sleep walking. (which unfortunately the warriors like to do regularly) I know the suns have a good record... but teams are playing down to them. You can see the lack of talent by just looking at their players.

likemystylez
12-28-2013, 11:47 AM
Agree the Dubs are capable of playing like tonight often. Iggy is a great catalyst. He's making everyone better.

Nothing to do with Iggy- Infact Pj Tucker outscored him... and hes a d league player

COOLbeans
12-28-2013, 12:42 PM
Pj Tucker a d league player? Lol

likemystylez
12-28-2013, 01:53 PM
Pj Tucker a d league player? Lol

iggy is paid 12 million a year, when you pay a guy 12 million a year- hes expected to have his way with guys like PJ tucker (thats why nobody is offering PJ tucker a 48 million dollar contract). SOrry- he isnt a d league player- hes a guy who couldnt cut it in the NBA so he went over seas for 5 years then snuck back in as a training camp invitee. Again- not the type of player you want challenging iggy.

likemystylez
12-28-2013, 02:02 PM
I heard bynum is suspended indefinitely. Apparently- he doesnt like playing basketball... weird

bigmac8675
12-28-2013, 03:13 PM
That was a pretty awesome game.... sure I was watching it with a 103.5 degree fever, but from what I recall it was awesome. lol

Odd Dubs Player
12-28-2013, 03:35 PM
I heard bynum is suspended indefinitely. Apparently- he doesnt like playing basketball... weird


Time to beat the Cabs

Odd Dubs Player
12-28-2013, 03:36 PM
That was a pretty awesome game.... sure I was watching it with a 103.5 degree fever, but from what I recall it was awesome. lol


Get better. I was sick too and it's no fun. That time of year

bigmac8675
12-28-2013, 03:38 PM
Get better. I was sick too and it's no fun. That time of year

Thanks man... yeah, woke up the day after xmas sick as a dog. Finally feeling a bit better today. It seems as if everyone is sick right now too

Odd Dubs Player
12-28-2013, 03:48 PM
Have you tried Origano? I put 2 drops of that under my tongue and it strengthens the whole immune system and kills viruses.

Leandres_sf
12-28-2013, 04:29 PM
Nice to get a blowout win. Now time to do the same to Cleveland!

Duncan = Donkey
12-28-2013, 08:15 PM
No just look at the suns rotation. How many guys on that roster are on the all star ballot? How many players do they have that will even be considered for an all NBA team.

Bogut> Plumley
Lee > Frye
Iggy>Tucker
Klay> Dragic
Curry>Bled

The only way the suns are even in the game is if the warriors are sleep walking. (which unfortunately the warriors like to do regularly) I know the suns have a good record... but teams are playing down to them. You can see the lack of talent by just looking at their players.

We have 3 on the all star ballot, but so what?

Like I said you are delusional if you think phx are only in the game if the warriors are 'sleep walking'. I mean seriously you are either overrating the warriors or underrating PHX. The Warriors aren't hot **** man.

As for your my players are better than yours, go look at how some of the Suns players have played this year, because you obviously know nothing about them. Thompson>Dragic is just laughable. And Tucker a D-League Player.......Really?

bigmac8675
12-28-2013, 08:46 PM
Have you tried Origano? I put 2 drops of that under my tongue and it strengthens the whole immune system and kills viruses.

Nope... never even heard of it.

Guppyfighter
12-29-2013, 05:38 AM
We have 3 on the all star ballot, but so what?

Like I said you are delusional if you think phx are only in the game if the warriors are 'sleep walking'. I mean seriously you are either overrating the warriors or underrating PHX. The Warriors aren't hot **** man.

As for your my players are better than yours, go look at how some of the Suns players have played this year, because you obviously know nothing about them. Thompson>Dragic is just laughable. And Tucker a D-League Player.......Really?

Uh? Klay Thompson is better than Dragic. Nearly equal in offensive production, except Klay is ten times the defender.

That being said, Styles does have unrealistic expectations about our team and management.

Love Stylez though.

likemystylez
12-29-2013, 12:25 PM
Uh? Klay Thompson is better than Dragic. Nearly equal in offensive production, except Klay is ten times the defender.

That being said, Styles does have unrealistic expectations about our team and management.

Love Stylez though.

Before the season started... EVERYONE OF YOU ON HERE WOULD EXPECT THE WARRIORS TO BE THE BETTER TEAM THAN THE SUNS. LOL- just because I still believe the warriors are far better makes me delusional? When the suns traded gortat away for an injured okafor- most experts thought they are in flat out tank mode. (I mean if your going to try and win games- why not trade gortat for someone who could help in the rotation?)

BTW- im not the only one who has questioned the warriors effort level for a huge portion of the season. Their own coaching staff has called them out.

likemystylez
12-29-2013, 12:30 PM
We have 3 on the all star ballot, but so what?

Like I said you are delusional if you think phx are only in the game if the warriors are 'sleep walking'. I mean seriously you are either overrating the warriors or underrating PHX. The Warriors aren't hot **** man.

As for your my players are better than yours, go look at how some of the Suns players have played this year, because you obviously know nothing about them. Thompson>Dragic is just laughable. And Tucker a D-League Player.......Really?

The warriors dont have to be "Hot ****" to handle the suns. I just dont see anybody on that team that UId expect to carry them past the warriors. (Jeesh- take a look at where they were predicted to be?). Theyve won games people didnt expect them to win- it happens in sports. But just because teams are sleeping on them doesnt mean I think the warriors should have too.

Heck the warriors had like 13 or 14 unforced turnovers and couldnt make a 3 to save their lives, and sat their starters for almost half the game.... and still beat the suns by 30. (warriors reserves are really really bad too).

As for tucker- he was cut by the raptors. Don't make me go through the guys who the raptors have kept on their bench and not cut.

Guppyfighter
12-29-2013, 01:05 PM
Before the season started... EVERYONE OF YOU ON HERE WOULD EXPECT THE WARRIORS TO BE THE BETTER TEAM THAN THE SUNS. LOL- just because I still believe the warriors are far better makes me delusional? When the suns traded gortat away for an injured okafor- most experts thought they are in flat out tank mode. (I mean if your going to try and win games- why not trade gortat for someone who could help in the rotation?)

BTW- im not the only one who has questioned the warriors effort level for a huge portion of the season. Their own coaching staff has called them out.


It's not the start of the season anymore.

likemystylez
12-29-2013, 04:27 PM
It's not the start of the season anymore.

true- but the suns havent added lebron james, chris paul or kevin durant... they have the exact same players. I still believe the warriors at their best are a lot better than the suns at their best.

The suns have literally gotten the best they can out of virtually everyone on the roster- the warriors have not gotten the best they can (A big part of that is effort... but also some huge injuries.... and just carelessness).

On the other hand- I have no clue how the bulls are as bad as they are. I know rose is out- but with guys like noah, deng, gibson... they should be a solid team in the east.

Guppyfighter
12-29-2013, 04:52 PM
I agree the Warriors are better. But you are ignoring the variability of a one game sample and how bad the Suns aren't this year.

Duncan = Donkey
12-29-2013, 09:02 PM
The warriors dont have to be "Hot ****" to handle the suns. I just dont see anybody on that team that UId expect to carry them past the warriors. (Jeesh- take a look at where they were predicted to be?). Theyve won games people didnt expect them to win- it happens in sports. But just because teams are sleeping on them doesnt mean I think the warriors should have too.

Heck the warriors had like 13 or 14 unforced turnovers and couldnt make a 3 to save their lives, and sat their starters for almost half the game.... and still beat the suns by 30. (warriors reserves are really really bad too).

As for tucker- he was cut by the raptors. Don't make me go through the guys who the raptors have kept on their bench and not cut.

Man, you have a very high opinion on the Warriors. I don't believe they are anywhere near as good as you think they are. Yes they are more talented than PHX, but you think they are much better than they really are which is a first round exit.

Golden State won by 30 because it was the worse game played by Phoenix all year, it was an abnormally. You say GS couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives? they shot 40% from the 3, so I don't know what you are talking about, as it was PHX who couldnt hit a 3 to save their life (they shot 17% from 3).
And yeah that's what happens when a blowout is happening, starters sit on the bench for BOTH teams.

And still hating on PJ Tucker, he was cut in 2007, and played in Europe for 6 years. You clearly know nothing about him, if you think he is a D League player.

Duncan = Donkey
12-29-2013, 09:05 PM
Before the season started... EVERYONE OF YOU ON HERE WOULD EXPECT THE WARRIORS TO BE THE BETTER TEAM THAN THE SUNS. LOL- just because I still believe the warriors are far better makes me delusional? When the suns traded gortat away for an injured okafor- most experts thought they are in flat out tank mode. (I mean if your going to try and win games- why not trade gortat for someone who could help in the rotation?)

BTW- im not the only one who has questioned the warriors effort level for a huge portion of the season. Their own coaching staff has called them out.

Your logic seems to be because 'experts' and some fans thought we would be bad, we cant possibly be a good team.

Duncan = Donkey
12-29-2013, 09:09 PM
Uh? Klay Thompson is better than Dragic. Nearly equal in offensive production, except Klay is ten times the defender.

That being said, Styles does have unrealistic expectations about our team and management.

Love Stylez though.

Don't think so, Dragic has been better this year. And lol at 10 times the defender, Why the need to exaggerate?

Guppyfighter
12-30-2013, 12:33 AM
Don't think so, Dragic has been better this year. And lol at 10 times the defender, Why the need to exaggerate?

Definitely has not been better this year. Near equal in offensive production while Klay is putting up elite defensive numbers for two seasons in a row.

Guppyfighter
12-30-2013, 12:34 AM
Man, you have a very high opinion on the Warriors. I don't believe they are anywhere near as good as you think they are. Yes they are more talented than PHX, but you think they are much better than they really are which is a first round exit.

Golden State won by 30 because it was the worse game played by Phoenix all year, it was an abnormally. You say GS couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives? they shot 40% from the 3, so I don't know what you are talking about, as it was PHX who couldnt hit a 3 to save their life (they shot 17% from 3).
And yeah that's what happens when a blowout is happening, starters sit on the bench for BOTH teams.

And still hating on PJ Tucker, he was cut in 2007, and played in Europe for 6 years. You clearly know nothing about him, if you think he is a D League player.

Winning by 30 obviously won't happen over and over again, but you do realize differential is the best predictor of future success, right? Winning by thirty vs the Sun and only losing by four to them I believe is definitely a big difference ability wise by the teams.

Duncan = Donkey
12-30-2013, 01:09 AM
Winning by 30 obviously won't happen over and over again, but you do realize differential is the best predictor of future success, right? Winning by thirty vs the Sun and only losing by four to them I believe is definitely a big difference ability wise by the teams.

But that game was an abnormally, they wont lose by 30 again all year most likely, we blew out Portland twice this year and then lost by 1 against them. That does not mean there is a big difference ability wise between us and them.
Golden State do have more talent than PHX but again no where close to what that other guy reckons, he is a fantasy land.

Duncan = Donkey
12-30-2013, 01:12 AM
Definitely has not been better this year. Near equal in offensive production while Klay is putting up elite defensive numbers for two seasons in a row.

Goran Dragic
PPG APG RPG PER
18.1 5.8 3.0 19.42

Klay Thompson
PPG APG RPG PER
19.6 2.7 3.3 15.17

I know what looks better to me, what defensive numbers are you using? or just eye test

Guppyfighter
12-30-2013, 01:42 AM
So you use box score numbers and then a compressed box score to make your point?

Thompson's WS/48 is .132
Dragic's WS/48 is .162

Dragic has been better offensively, but the numbers aren't statistically significant yet.

Now on defense.

Klay and dragic are nearly equal defensively on the perimeter, with both rocking near 500 TS percentage vs their opponent with Klay suppressing assists and causing more turnovers also with Dragic's guards shooting far less. (82games)

We can check how both do against defending shots near the rim. Guards score 43 percent of the time near the rim vs Klay.

How about Dragic? They score 58 percent of the time on drives. (Sportsvu stats)

That being said, defensive teams typically go farther in the playoffs than offensive teams. This isn't a clique. Defensive teams in basketball have a slight edge. It's easy to track that. In football, offensive teams have the edge.

Klay's ability to guard the perimeter and the slashers they have is far better and more important than what Dragic brings. Dragic can't overcome Klay in production while allowing guards to finish nearly 60 percent of the time against him. He's pretty horrendous at guarding driving guards.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7276

Statistical evidence for defense being more important than offense link. Found that part to be obligatory.

MackShock
12-30-2013, 01:57 AM
Guppy holding it down for the Dubs

Duncan = Donkey
12-30-2013, 03:01 AM
OK, but the numbers also tell me Dragic is doing a better job of playing defense against the player he is matched up against.
Dragic guarding PG's - holds them to .416EFG%, 9.4PER, forces 2.8 turnovers
Dragic guarding SG's - holds them to .430EFG%, 8.2PER, forces 2.5 turnovers

Klay guarding PG's - holds them to .481EFG%, 10.4PER, forces 5.2 turnovers
Klay guardin SG's - holds them to .458EFG%, 13.PER, forces 1.7 turnovers

these are per 48.

Those numbers tell me Dragic is doing a better job defending his opponent than Klay. Opponents play better and more efficient when Klay is guarding them. On the other hand oppenetts tend to struggle effeciency wise when Dragic is guarding them

Duncan = Donkey
12-30-2013, 03:05 AM
Also id expect opponents to finish with a higher % at the rim against Dragic as he is a 6'3 PG guarding SG's most of the time. Where as Klay is 6'7 and is guarding guys shorter than him most of the time. So im not all surprised at that stat

Leandres_sf
12-30-2013, 01:34 PM
Klay has been tasked with covering the opposing team's best G, so regardless of the size, Klay's played a tough role.