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MackShock
12-19-2013, 02:14 PM
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Thursday, December 19th, 2013
7:30PM Pacific Time

Oracle Arena
The BAY, Californ-I-A
415 510 408 650 925 707

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The Dubs



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San Antonio Spurs



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THE RUNDOWN



MUST. WIN. GAME.
Warriors Home Record: 8-3
Spurs Road Record: 11-3



Thread goal: 300 posts

MackShock
12-19-2013, 02:14 PM
game on tnt

MackShock
12-19-2013, 02:15 PM
theyre also on a b2b. lets capitalize. #protectwarriorsground

BrandoCommando
12-19-2013, 02:18 PM
Of course we know this we won't be easy whatsoever. With that being said, I'm honestly expecting for a win tonight.

likemystylez
12-19-2013, 02:49 PM
theyre also on a b2b. lets capitalize. #protectwarriorsground

I dont think back to back is a big deal, fitz really thinks its huge- but houston was ona back to back when they destroyed us and we had 3 days rest. Effort is what matters

Goose17
12-19-2013, 04:49 PM
I'm going to say this will be close for at least three quarters.

I like it when we play the Spurs, I love watching Leonard and Duncan do their thing, one of a select few that have the kind of game I can't help but enjoy, even when we're down.

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 05:40 PM
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San Antonio rolling out the skeleton crew.

likemystylez
12-19-2013, 05:44 PM
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San Antonio rolling out the skeleton crew.

This really feels like a trap game. Warriors have to play hard still.

Whoever the spurs send out on the floor will play good team basketball. best coached team in basketball, they will play hard and consistently execute.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 05:47 PM
Pop is full of it. They're going to get they're ***** kicked tonight on TNT.

They're steadily trying to screw the tnt broadcast when they skip nationally televised games.

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 05:49 PM
Isn't this like the 4th time he's done this on TNT/ESPN?

Goose17
12-19-2013, 05:49 PM
Spurs bench almost beat Miami last season, they can do the same to us.

I hope the players don't get too comfortable.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 05:49 PM
This really feels like a trap game. Warriors have to play hard still.

Whoever the spurs send out on the floor will play good team basketball. best coached team in basketball, they will play hard and consistently execute.

We better win, this isn't a game..

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 05:50 PM
I get the feeling Belinelli & Leonard are going to have great games.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 05:50 PM
Isn't this like the 4th time he's done this on TNT/ESPN?

He does it purposely. He couldve rested them several times last week during back to backs and didn't.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 05:51 PM
I get the feeling Belinelli & Leonard are going to have great games.

In hindsight, do you take Leonard over Thompson in 2011?

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 05:55 PM
In hindsight, do you take Leonard over Thompson in 2011?

Wow, that's a tough call. But with how Klay has progressed defensively, and in this offense, I'll keep Klay.

likemystylez
12-19-2013, 05:56 PM
In hindsight, do you take Leonard over Thompson in 2011?

if popovic got his hands on klay thompson- hed be a top 10 player in the league right now and an all defensive team canidate. No offense to mark jackson- but if popvic could turn green into the player he is- imagine what he would do with a guy who had star potential.

likemystylez
12-19-2013, 06:00 PM
He does it purposely. He couldve rested them several times last week during back to backs and didn't.

Its kind of annoying because Peter Holt (owner of the spurs) was up there crying about how his team is opperating in the red- and he has no problem sitting his stars on national tv appearences (you know the way the league makes money).

I mean I understand they are in negotiations and all- but someone needs to bring these situations up the next time these guys are crying about not making enough money to run their organizations. Bad contracts are going to happen- but sitting guys during national games is something completely in your control (baring injuries).

With that being said LOL- IM still worried about this game for the warriors hahaha

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 06:00 PM
True. Thompsons development has stalled a bit this year. But the Spurs system could also limit a player like Thompson since they already had Ginobli. But I think Ginobilis gone probably last year if Thompson was on the Spurs.

What about Lance Stephenson or Klay Thompson?

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 06:04 PM
Klay.

Goose17
12-19-2013, 06:04 PM
If Klay is on Leonard I think Leonard will have a good game. If Dre is on him we might be able to contain him.

If Leonard is on Klay, Klay will struggle.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 06:08 PM
Klay.

Lance scores at a similar clip, gets way more rebounds and assists. But he can't shoot like Klay. It's definitely preference here, though I think Curry benefits more by playing with Lance than Klay.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 06:09 PM
Wes Matthews or Klay Thompson?

Goose17
12-19-2013, 06:20 PM
Klay on the Spurs :drool:

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 06:38 PM
Klay on the Spurs could be dynasty if they even had a player in the mold of David West or Lamarcus Aldridge. I think they could win championships with their main players being Dwight Howard and Klay Thompson.

MackShock
12-19-2013, 06:47 PM
413777039267618823

San Antonio rolling out the skeleton crew.


This really feels like a trap game. Warriors have to play hard still.

Whoever the spurs send out on the floor will play good team basketball. best coached team in basketball, they will play hard and consistently execute.

if we lose, well never hear the end of it from stylez

Monta is beast
12-19-2013, 06:57 PM
No parker duncan or ginobili tonight

Spanklin
12-19-2013, 06:57 PM
Spurs pulling swag again. Duncan and Gino are sitting. It's gonna sting real bad if they still beat us.

Spanklin
12-19-2013, 07:01 PM
if popovic got his hands on klay thompson- hed be a top 10 player in the league right now and an all defensive team canidate. No offense to mark jackson- but if popvic could turn green into the player he is- imagine what he would do with a guy who had star potential.

If we drafted Leonard that doesn't mean Klay automatically goes to San Antonio. They drafted like 25th.

Also, magic unicorns exist and live in magic poppovich's back yard.

COOLbeans
12-19-2013, 07:05 PM
True Spanklin, the Pacers took Leonard and traded him for George Hill. Do the Pacers take Klay Thompson?

Chromehounds
12-19-2013, 07:08 PM
The last time the Spurs were at the Oracle they pulled the same crap, I got good tix and Pop sat all his starters. It was a close game all through out, the W's came out on top but not by much.

Again, I blame on this on Cohan!

Spanklin
12-19-2013, 07:44 PM
True Spanklin, the Pacers took Leonard and traded him for George Hill. Do the Pacers take Klay Thompson?

Klay never drops to 15 bro. We're lucky the Maloof bonehead trust fund babies took Fredette over him. He wasn't dropping past Utah if we took Kiwi, not from a real fan's perspective anyway.

Monta is beast
12-19-2013, 08:20 PM
Go root for utah bro **** bw fans

MackShock
12-19-2013, 08:33 PM
The last time the Spurs were at the Oracle they pulled the same crap, I got good tix and Pop sat all his starters. It was a close game all through out, the W's came out on top but not by much.

Again, I blame on this on Cohan!

No, blame Jackson for Pop resting Duncan and Manu :)

bigmac8675
12-19-2013, 08:55 PM
Oh.... WE GOT THIS!!!!

BrandoCommando
12-19-2013, 11:42 PM
Pretty stoked.

Leandres_sf
12-19-2013, 11:51 PM
Nice start

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:02 AM
Bogut with a **** ton of boards.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:10 AM
Should be up 15 pts right now, not a great qtr.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:10 AM
Offense looks sluggish

SonicRaider
12-20-2013, 12:19 AM
There we go.

SonicRaider
12-20-2013, 12:22 AM
Hope Speights comes through the next few months as he is taking Jermaine O'Neal's place while he recovers.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 12:24 AM
Currys wet!!!

SonicRaider
12-20-2013, 12:26 AM
Can we please stop it with the turnovers? Thank you

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:26 AM
This game should be a rout, Warriors half-assed offense is letting them stick around.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 12:41 AM
Barnes just isn't adjusting to the 6th man role.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 12:41 AM
But yeah we're beating ourselves again.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:44 AM
What a joke of a second qtr. offense looks sluggish, too many turnovers. And leaving guys wide open for 3 isn't going to work.

If they don't get it together the (replacement) Spurs will steal this game.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 12:44 AM
Down 2 going into the half. Pathetic giving up that lead, but I have zero doubt the Dubs come out on fire and hold the lead for the rest of the game.

MackShock
12-20-2013, 12:45 AM
Lol. There's no excuse. We should be up by 15. Out starters are losing to role players.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 12:47 AM
Down 2 going into the half. Pathetic giving up that lead, but I have zero doubt the Dubs come out on fire and hold the lead for the rest of the game.

Zero doubt? Even they're on fire they have to play defense and not turn the ball over. They have to play a lot better to win this game.

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 12:49 AM
Zero doubt? Even they're on fire they have to play defense and not turn the ball over. They have to play a lot better to win this game.

they arent really on fire- klay has missed 2 or 3 wide open 3s, lee cant make a jump shot... and did bogut just hand the ball to patty mills?

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 12:51 AM
Down 2 going into the half. Pathetic giving up that lead, but I have zero doubt the Dubs come out on fire and hold the lead for the rest of the game.

this is a game that a solid contender leads by double digits wire to wire. Im tired of hearing about some heat game back in 1846... its in the past- focus on this game. theyre ont he tail end of a back to back playing their reserves. warriors already showed they can control the game then got lazy on defense

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:15 AM
I love how our starters are putting forth the effort at least, but we need to sustain this level of energy. Their bench is playing out of their minds.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:18 AM
Downright embarrassing with all these silly turnovers. Awful basketball

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:18 AM
People forget but our starters haven't had many games together, when they get more chemistry later in the season stuff like these high turnover ratios will go down.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:21 AM
People forget but our starters haven't had many games together, when they get more chemistry later in the season stuff like these high turnover ratios will go down.

Let's just hope they aren't creating bad habits. Optimistic way of thinking though

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 01:22 AM
This team looks flat out awful.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM
:facepalm: It's hard not to blame stylez at this point.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM
Let's get it together. ****

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM
When the Warriors can't hit threes, the offense disappears.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:39 AM
I knew Bazemore would do some stupid ****

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 01:39 AM
Bazemore has to go. Just killed momentum big time.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:39 AM
It would be cool if they could play some defense and someone other than WCW could score doe. :rolleyes:

MackShock
12-20-2013, 01:41 AM
Why is Bazemore even in the game.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:43 AM
Why is Bazemore even in the game.Because everyone else is milking injuries. :rolleyes:

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:44 AM
If anyone is gonna eat minutes it should be Nedo. At least he can explode and hit a 3.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:46 AM
Tie game!!!

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:47 AM
Bazemore. :facepalm: the momentum killer.

MackShock
12-20-2013, 01:47 AM
Fcing Bazemore

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:48 AM
Dang Lee can't be stopped right now. Too bad the turnovers and lack of defense is wasting his effort away.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:49 AM
Curry for 3!!!

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:50 AM
Refs need to let them play... calling fouls on anything and everything

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:51 AM
Curry!!! :faint: perfect.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:52 AM
Currys wet!!!!

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:52 AM
Offensive foul? Really?

MackShock
12-20-2013, 01:54 AM
Wtf......

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:57 AM
OMG lee almost lost it lol

lol, please
12-20-2013, 01:59 AM
Klay made something? Lolwut?

ESaady
12-20-2013, 02:02 AM
How does this team turn the ball over so much? At least make the turnovers cool like Jamal Crawford someone then just lose the handle...sheesh

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:06 AM
3 down. :ohno:

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:06 AM
Smh...

Lakers + Giants
12-20-2013, 02:11 AM
That was a goaltend

EDIT: Offensive Interference.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:12 AM
:facepalm:

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:13 AM
So much ****ery in those last 3 minutes.


****

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:13 AM
This one hurt..

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:13 AM
Damn thoses brothas was kong fu fighting

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:13 AM
Embarrassing performance at home.

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:14 AM
We need a real coach....

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:14 AM
Wouldnt mind a trade also

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:14 AM
Could have called basket interference or one of two fouls on the Spurs, but Warriors deserve this loss. This showing was a joke.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:15 AM
Contenders don't lose these games.

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:15 AM
How msny solid players could he bring us depth?

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Yes sad

curtcocaine
12-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Time 2 dab my face out

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Kinda pissed they didn't even review that offensive interference.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Mark Jackson was way out coached. Nice play call to end the game. ****ing ********.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:17 AM
We need a real coach....
chromehounds, #TeamFireJackson has a new applicant. :laugh2:

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:18 AM
Can't blame ppl for getting on Jackson, bad showing by him tonight.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:18 AM
Mark Jackson was way out coached. Nice play call to end the game. ****ing ********.

Right!

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:20 AM
This team is going to have to show more for me to even think they're a playoff team.

MackShock
12-20-2013, 02:22 AM
The fix is in. Hella free throws for the Spurs but none for us in the 4th.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:23 AM
Can Iggy start attacking the rim more now? We could use some "easy" buckets.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:23 AM
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Ratto hit the nail on the head.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:24 AM
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Ratto hit the nail on the head.

Giants and 49ers fans should be reminded of the same. :whistle:

Giants fans on a daily freaking basis.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:24 AM
Can Iggy start attacking the rim more now? We could use some "easy" buckets.

Depends on if his hammy is up to it...

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:25 AM
That charge called on Curry was bull crap. What else do you expect from the NBA.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:27 AM
Giants and 49ers fans should be reminded of the same. :whistle:

Giants fans on a daily freaking basis.


Are you suggesting to not have expectations? I think you misunderstand what he's saying.

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 02:28 AM
Depends on if his hammy is up to it...

If its not; than rest him. Don't need a setback or anything.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:33 AM
Are you suggesting to not have expectations? I think you misunderstand what he's saying.

I think the expectations should absolutely be high, but setting the bar high and acting like the sky is falling after every loss (still above .500) is madness, like Sparta.

Goose17
12-20-2013, 05:11 AM
Because everyone else is milking injuries. :rolleyes:

I actually laughed out loud at this.

Goose17
12-20-2013, 05:12 AM
I think the expectations should absolutely be high, but setting the bar high and acting like the sky is falling after every loss (still above .500) is madness, like Sparta.

Preach!

bigmac8675
12-20-2013, 05:16 AM
Holy freakin dog ****... that was pathetic

Monta is beast
12-20-2013, 07:03 AM
It's not overeacting to every loss. You do realuze that the west right now is probably the toughest conference in sports history. These losses are a big ****in deal,thats why people are reacting to them, not overeacting. Curry gad 30 & 15, Lee had 30 & 10, Bogut had 16 rebounds, and we still lost. To the spurs c team. You two clearly arent aware of what these losses will mean when the seasons over.

Goose17
12-20-2013, 07:41 AM
Curry gad 30 & 15, Lee had 30 & 10, Bogut had 16 rebounds, and we still lost.

Which tells you what? It tells you that talent isn't the issue. Trades don't need to be made.


The issues are the same things people on here have been talking about for a while, a lack of effort defensively (although that seems improved with Andre's return, still not what it should be, not even close), a poor attitude from some individuals, too many turnovers, not enough feeding the ball to Bogut on offense.

People are right to react to losses, but there's a difference between constructive criticism and people like you who overreact.

It needs to be fixed, and soon. But we only have four losses more than the 4th seed Clippers. The West is very competitive, momentum can shift at any given moment.

If we had won four of the closer games (Bobcats, Houston, Phoenix, Spurs) we would be tied for the 5th seed. And we didn't lose any of those games by more than four points, and in at least three of those games we were playing WELL below what we're capable of.

It's not as dire as you think it is. Hence, overreacting.

torocan
12-20-2013, 10:50 AM
If we had won four of the closer games (Bobcats, Houston, Phoenix, Spurs) we would be tied for the 5th seed. And we didn't lose any of those games by more than four points, and in at least three of those games we were playing WELL below what we're capable of.

It's not as dire as you think it is. Hence, overreacting.

Uh, not to just hop in (Knicks fan), but wouldn't you find it MORE concerning that they're losing close games and "playing down" than if they were getting blown out?

If GSW was getting blown out repeatedly, it would be easier to say it's a lack of talent or depth. By losing close games and losing to inferior teams (for argument's sake, let's assume that the Spurs without Duncan/Manu/Parker is inferior), wouldn't that point more to character and maturity?

I suppose it's easy to say MJ is the problem since he is the HC, however at what point is the responsibility on the players? There were a TON of bonehead plays and TO's by GSW. Lack of focus and inconsistent effort at some point also has to be put at the feet of the players on the floor. After all, it's not MJ making the bad passes and dribbling off his feet. How much can you really blame the coach when multiple TO's are due to poor ball handling? Or being so lackadaisical with the ball that Patty Mills can rip the ball out of your hands when you're 5 feet from your own basket?

Personally, I don't think GSW has a talent problem. And while MJ isn't Coach Popovich it wasn't the coaching that lost the game for GSW. 24 TO's, with a significant number of unforced errors points to a lack of maturity and focus. Letting the Spurs get back into the game after a 14 point lead points to an inconsistent level of effort and potentially more disturbingly, a lack of killer instinct.

Late in the game it was clear that GSW was capable of playing with a higher effort level. So does this seem to be a recurring theme for GSW? Does MJ really need to be the guy that convinces them that they have to play hard to win? Personally I think you wouldn't need a HOF coach to convey the message that it takes consistent effort to win games to your roster.

Anyway, hope GSW sorts it out. Curry is shaping up very nicely. It would be sad if a season of great play ended up wasted on a sub-par season.

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 11:27 AM
Could have called basket interference or one of two fouls on the Spurs, but Warriors deserve this loss. This showing was a joke.

I think this loss made it very clear that dre being out was not the cause of the last few weeks effort. Dre is out there and the team is still playing down to opponents. They started out the game well and then it looked like they just tried to see if they could do it without expending any effort.

Its a joke to whine about a few calls down the stretch- if you play decent defense and hold players around their average (marco bellinelli)- You win this game by 15-20 points and rest the starters for most of the 4th quarter. if you play well- you win this game by 20 points and rest the starters for most of the second half

BrandoCommando
12-20-2013, 01:23 PM
Speaking of stats; don't look now but Curry is currently 5th in the NBA in scoring and is 2nd in the NBA in assists.

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 01:43 PM
I don't care about the stats. That's irrelevant

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 01:44 PM
Uh, not to just hop in (Knicks fan), but wouldn't you find it MORE concerning that they're losing close games and "playing down" than if they were getting blown out?

If GSW was getting blown out repeatedly, it would be easier to say it's a lack of talent or depth. By losing close games and losing to inferior teams (for argument's sake, let's assume that the Spurs without Duncan/Manu/Parker is inferior), wouldn't that point more to character and maturity?

I suppose it's easy to say MJ is the problem since he is the HC, however at what point is the responsibility on the players? There were a TON of bonehead plays and TO's by GSW. Lack of focus and inconsistent effort at some point also has to be put at the feet of the players on the floor. After all, it's not MJ making the bad passes and dribbling off his feet. How much can you really blame the coach when multiple TO's are due to poor ball handling? Or being so lackadaisical with the ball that Patty Mills can rip the ball out of your hands when you're 5 feet from your own basket?

Personally, I don't think GSW has a talent problem. And while MJ isn't Coach Popovich it wasn't the coaching that lost the game for GSW. 24 TO's, with a significant number of unforced errors points to a lack of maturity and focus. Letting the Spurs get back into the game after a 14 point lead points to an inconsistent level of effort and potentially more disturbingly, a lack of killer instinct.

Late in the game it was clear that GSW was capable of playing with a higher effort level. So does this seem to be a recurring theme for GSW? Does MJ really need to be the guy that convinces them that they have to play hard to win? Personally I think you wouldn't need a HOF coach to convey the message that it takes consistent effort to win games to your roster.

Anyway, hope GSW sorts it out. Curry is shaping up very nicely. It would be sad if a season of great play ended up wasted on a sub-par season.

For an unbiased bystander, you hit the nail on the head.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 01:47 PM
I think the expectations should absolutely be high, but setting the bar high and acting like the sky is falling after every loss (still above .500) is madness, like Sparta.

The sky isn't falling, but the Warriors are falling dramatically short of expectations. I guess we should just keep quiet and not mention how horribly they're playing?

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:34 PM
I think the expectations should absolutely be high, but setting the bar high and acting like the sky is falling after every loss (still above .500) is madness, like Sparta.

The sky isn't falling, but the Warriors are falling dramatically short of expectations. I guess we should just keep quiet and not mention how horribly they're playing?what we shouldn't do is spew nonsense like saying people should be traded, benched or fired this far into the season and still above .500.

There is such thing as rational criticism.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 02:37 PM
If we had won four of the closer games (Bobcats, Houston, Phoenix, Spurs) we would be tied for the 5th seed. And we didn't lose any of those games by more than four points, and in at least three of those games we were playing WELL below what we're capable of.

It's not as dire as you think it is. Hence, overreacting.

Uh, not to just hop in (Knicks fan), but wouldn't you find it MORE concerning that they're losing close games and "playing down" than if they were getting blown out?

If GSW was getting blown out repeatedly, it would be easier to say it's a lack of talent or depth. By losing close games and losing to inferior teams (for argument's sake, let's assume that the Spurs without Duncan/Manu/Parker is inferior), wouldn't that point more to character and maturity?

I suppose it's easy to say MJ is the problem since he is the HC, however at what point is the responsibility on the players? There were a TON of bonehead plays and TO's by GSW. Lack of focus and inconsistent effort at some point also has to be put at the feet of the players on the floor. After all, it's not MJ making the bad passes and dribbling off his feet. How much can you really blame the coach when multiple TO's are due to poor ball handling? Or being so lackadaisical with the ball that Patty Mills can rip the ball out of your hands when you're 5 feet from your own basket?

Personally, I don't think GSW has a talent problem. And while MJ isn't Coach Popovich it wasn't the coaching that lost the game for GSW. 24 TO's, with a significant number of unforced errors points to a lack of maturity and focus. Letting the Spurs get back into the game after a 14 point lead points to an inconsistent level of effort and potentially more disturbingly, a lack of killer instinct.

Late in the game it was clear that GSW was capable of playing with a higher effort level. So does this seem to be a recurring theme for GSW? Does MJ really need to be the guy that convinces them that they have to play hard to win? Personally I think you wouldn't need a HOF coach to convey the message that it takes consistent effort to win games to your roster.

Anyway, hope GSW sorts it out. Curry is shaping up very nicely. It would be sad if a season of great play ended up wasted on a sub-par season.good post. I agree. Sadly alot of my fellow fans disagree, and see it the other way around.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 02:50 PM
what we shouldn't do is spew nonsense like saying people should be traded, benched or fired this far into the season and still above .500.

There is such thing as rational criticism.

I don't think it's irrational to make trades or bench players at this point. Nothing wrong with making the team better. As far as firing Jackson, I agree, that is irrational, even though he hasn't been very good at his job.

MackShock
12-20-2013, 03:06 PM
If the sky falls, we will stand tall and face it all....... Together....

lol, please
12-20-2013, 03:09 PM
what we shouldn't do is spew nonsense like saying people should be traded, benched or fired this far into the season and still above .500.

There is such thing as rational criticism.

I don't think it's irrational to make trades or bench players at this point. Nothing wrong with making the team better. As far as firing Jackson, I agree, that is irrational, even though he hasn't been very good at his job.I disagree on that, the fact that the starting 5 have barely had any string of games together and we have dealt with quite a few injuries leads me to believe after a 10 game stretch or so the turnovers and poor passes will cease, defense is work in progress, but with iggy back it should be getting consistently better all around. I know it's the least popular opinión in the world of bay area sports, but I think we just need to be a little patient here.

I know we could have a better record and we all want one, but this isn't a disaster either.

lol, please
12-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Not to mention that your opinion on MJ is only your opinion and not fact.

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 03:29 PM
I think the problem is that there are posters who dont think a losing season is a big deal. I remmber during the 2011-2012 season I was freaking out because we were losing a bunch of games and I wanted the warriors to be a playoff team. Some posters are perfectly happy being a 10th or 11th seed year in and year out. (thats why they dont think being out of the playoffs 16 of 18 years is anything to be concerned about. That's why they dont see a problem with the front office promising the playoffs and not delivering. Thats basically why they are annoyed with my posts that show some level of concern for this.

The warriors have enough talent on their roster that the goal should not be to try to sneak into the playoffs. They should be looking at home court advantage as a real goal. The concern isnt the record right now as it is- the players appear to be satisfied being a .500 team. They dont think theres a problem with the spurs ending every quarter with wide open shots. They dont think it is worth giving a decent level of effort. Im sure theyd like to win the game- but not if it requires any hard work.

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 03:32 PM
Not to mention that your opinion on MJ is only your opinion and not fact.

well his job is to get the most out of his current roster. Are you arguing that mark jackson is getting the most out of the players and this team is as good as they can be?

Chromehounds
12-20-2013, 03:44 PM
Uh, not to just hop in (Knicks fan), but wouldn't you find it MORE concerning that they're losing close games and "playing down" than if they were getting blown out?

If GSW was getting blown out repeatedly, it would be easier to say it's a lack of talent or depth. By losing close games and losing to inferior teams (for argument's sake, let's assume that the Spurs without Duncan/Manu/Parker is inferior), wouldn't that point more to character and maturity?

I suppose it's easy to say MJ is the problem since he is the HC, however at what point is the responsibility on the players? There were a TON of bonehead plays and TO's by GSW. Lack of focus and inconsistent effort at some point also has to be put at the feet of the players on the floor. After all, it's not MJ making the bad passes and dribbling off his feet. How much can you really blame the coach when multiple TO's are due to poor ball handling? Or being so lackadaisical with the ball that Patty Mills can rip the ball out of your hands when you're 5 feet from your own basket?

Personally, I don't think GSW has a talent problem. And while MJ isn't Coach Popovich it wasn't the coaching that lost the game for GSW. 24 TO's, with a significant number of unforced errors points to a lack of maturity and focus. Letting the Spurs get back into the game after a 14 point lead points to an inconsistent level of effort and potentially more disturbingly, a lack of killer instinct.

Late in the game it was clear that GSW was capable of playing with a higher effort level. So does this seem to be a recurring theme for GSW? Does MJ really need to be the guy that convinces them that they have to play hard to win? Personally I think you wouldn't need a HOF coach to convey the message that it takes consistent effort to win games to your roster.

Anyway, hope GSW sorts it out. Curry is shaping up very nicely. It would be sad if a season of great play ended up wasted on a sub-par season.

Not sure how often a Knicks fan would be watching the W's games but here goes. If I understand you correctly, lets take talent out of the equation since you agree talent is not the issue. But per you the lackadaisical, playing down, immaturity and inconsistent effort are all the players fault, OK. Beside getting rid of the players, how do you propose the W's rid themselves of such problems? Hint...this is where the Coach comes in. And btw, coaches trying to convince players to play hard to win is not a novel approach.
The one answer that most of us fans here trying to get is what you mentioned...Why the recurring theme (inconsistent effort)? We all know the message has been sent (many times), but are they being received?
For the particular funk the W's are currently in, I put the majority of blame on the system, not completely on the players.

Chromehounds
12-20-2013, 03:45 PM
If the sky falls, we will stand tall and face it all....... Together....

LOL....Where's Spanklin? I'm switching over to the Pelicans.

torocan
12-20-2013, 04:21 PM
Not sure how often a Knicks fan would be watching the W's games but here goes. If I understand you correctly, lets take talent out of the equation since you agree talent is not the issue. But per you the lackadaisical, playing down, immaturity and inconsistent effort are all the players fault, OK. Beside getting rid of the players, how do you propose the W's rid themselves of such problems? Hint...this is where the Coach comes in. And btw, coaches trying to convince players to play hard to win is not a novel approach.
The one answer that most of us fans here trying to get is what you mentioned...Why the recurring theme (inconsistent effort)? We all know the message has been sent (many times), but are they being received?
For the particular funk the W's are currently in, I put the majority of blame on the system, not completely on the players.

I watch a decent number of GSW games, though obviously not as many as you guys. I just happen to enjoy watching good basketball, which means I end up watching more WC games more than the beyond pathetic EC outside of the Knicks.

I'm not going to say the coach is beyond any responsibility, however I've never believed it was entirely on a coach when the players aren't putting forth consistent effort.

As for how to fix it, I'm not sure. Sometimes it seems young players don't "get it" until they get older. There's no shortage of players who are stars in college that come into the NBA and think that their talent is all that they will need to become a superstar. Or players who taste some success and then start to "coast", thinking that talent is enough to win a championship. Sometimes players have bad habits and are "lazy" on the floor through a history of coaches coddling them. Sometimes it takes Veteran voices in the locker room to get people to put their best game on the floor. Sometimes it's the overbuilt belief that your "star" (read Curry) can bail them out no matter how much badly they play.

I don't really know what's going on in the locker room in GSW, but the sins of looking past opponents, coming out weak and thinking that they can "turn it on" any time, or relaxing once they build a lead seems to be a somewhat common affliction even among the teams that are supposedly filled with "veterans".

It's possible that there's no single fix. It may require a lot of losing before some players make the connection with their efforts. It may require more aggressive coaching. It may require media scrutiny and criticism. It may be as simple as developing or finding a real locker room leader whether that's one of the existing roster stepping up or bringing in a championship pedigree veteran.

The Clippers struggles with similar issues and they brought in Doc Rivers. OKC has had some struggles in that department and they brought in Derek Fisher. Other teams just had to eat a lot of losses before the light bulb went on.

It may be as simple as giving GSW time to grow out of it. It may require a change in coach, or even bringing in players with enough respect and credibility that when they call out the team on and off the court that the players actually respond. Or even all of the above.

I'm not sure making tons of trades is what's going to get GSW out of this funk. The TO's and lapses in defense weren't the work of any single player on GSW... they came from all over the place. And it's not necessarily poor preparation by the coaches as when they did lock in later in the game I did see solid defensive rotations and close outs.

I'm not sure there's an easy solution other than no matter how well they did last season, GSW at it's heart is still a very young team.

Goose17
12-20-2013, 04:33 PM
Phillies, I agree, 100%

And Torocan is killing it. He's talking more sense than the vast majority of Dubs fans on here. Take note of his posts, rational criticism, not overreacting. Easier to do as an outsider, but something everyone on here should strive for.

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 04:34 PM
I watch a decent number of GSW games, though obviously not as many as you guys. I just happen to enjoy watching good basketball, which means I end up watching more WC games more than the beyond pathetic EC outside of the Knicks.

I'm not going to say the coach is beyond any responsibility, however I've never believed it was entirely on a coach when the players aren't putting forth consistent effort.

As for how to fix it, I'm not sure. Sometimes it seems young players don't "get it" until they get older. There's no shortage of players who are stars in college that come into the NBA and think that their talent is all that they will need to become a superstar. Or players who taste some success and then start to "coast", thinking that talent is enough to win a championship. Sometimes players have bad habits and are "lazy" on the floor through a history of coaches coddling them. Sometimes it takes Veteran voices in the locker room to get people to put their best game on the floor. Sometimes it's the overbuilt belief that your "star" (read Curry) can bail them out no matter how much badly they play.

I don't really know what's going on in the locker room in GSW, but the sins of looking past opponents, coming out weak and thinking that they can "turn it on" any time, or relaxing once they build a lead seems to be a somewhat common affliction even among the teams that are supposedly filled with "veterans".

It's possible that there's no single fix. It may require a lot of losing before some players make the connection with their efforts. It may require more aggressive coaching. It may require media scrutiny and criticism. It may be as simple as developing or finding a real locker room leader whether that's one of the existing roster stepping up or bringing in a championship pedigree veteran.

The Clippers struggles with similar issues and they brought in Doc Rivers. OKC has had some struggles in that department and they brought in Derek Fisher. Other teams just had to eat a lot of losses before the light bulb went on.

It may be as simple as giving GSW time to grow out of it. It may require a change in coach, or even bringing in players with enough respect and credibility that when they call out the team on and off the court that the players actually respond. Or even all of the above.

I'm not sure making tons of trades is what's going to get GSW out of this funk. The TO's and lapses in defense weren't the work of any single player on GSW... they came from all over the place. And it's not necessarily poor preparation by the coaches as when they did lock in later in the game I did see solid defensive rotations and close outs.

I'm not sure there's an easy solution other than no matter how well they did last season, GSW at it's heart is still a very young team.

Good post. Chromehounds is in the minority.

Leandres_sf
12-20-2013, 04:46 PM
I don't view myself as a "sky is falling" type of fan. I'm calling it as I see it. They're playing horribly, unforced turnovers, poor defense and Jackson is getting out coached. That being said, I think they can and will play better and don't think Jackson is a bad coach, just don't think he's getting the most out of his players right now.

Goose17
12-20-2013, 05:20 PM
"There's no way to excuse this loss," said center Andrew Bogut, who grabbed 18 rebounds, blocked three shots and was charged with two turnovers. "You can't lose this game at home."

I feel a lot of the players are aware of the issues^ Mostly the veteran guys (plus Draymond)

I don't think the attitude from some of the youngsters will change until somebody (other than coaching staff) says something in the locker room, and I think it will either be Bogut or Dre that end up doing it.

They need a Doc Rivers vs CP3 type zinger; "You haven't done **** in this league"

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 05:33 PM
I don't view myself as a "sky is falling" type of fan. I'm calling it as I see it. They're playing horribly, unforced turnovers, poor defense and Jackson is getting out coached. That being said, I think they can and will play better and don't think Jackson is a bad coach, just don't think he's getting the most out of his players right now.

True

Chromehounds
12-20-2013, 05:49 PM
I watch a decent number of GSW games, though obviously not as many as you guys. I just happen to enjoy watching good basketball, which means I end up watching more WC games more than the beyond pathetic EC outside of the Knicks.

I'm not going to say the coach is beyond any responsibility, however I've never believed it was entirely on a coach when the players aren't putting forth consistent effort.

As for how to fix it, I'm not sure. Sometimes it seems young players don't "get it" until they get older. There's no shortage of players who are stars in college that come into the NBA and think that their talent is all that they will need to become a superstar. Or players who taste some success and then start to "coast", thinking that talent is enough to win a championship. Sometimes players have bad habits and are "lazy" on the floor through a history of coaches coddling them. Sometimes it takes Veteran voices in the locker room to get people to put their best game on the floor. Sometimes it's the overbuilt belief that your "star" (read Curry) can bail them out no matter how much badly they play.

I don't really know what's going on in the locker room in GSW, but the sins of looking past opponents, coming out weak and thinking that they can "turn it on" any time, or relaxing once they build a lead seems to be a somewhat common affliction even among the teams that are supposedly filled with "veterans".

It's possible that there's no single fix. It may require a lot of losing before some players make the connection with their efforts. It may require more aggressive coaching. It may require media scrutiny and criticism. It may be as simple as developing or finding a real locker room leader whether that's one of the existing roster stepping up or bringing in a championship pedigree veteran.

The Clippers struggles with similar issues and they brought in Doc Rivers. OKC has had some struggles in that department and they brought in Derek Fisher. Other teams just had to eat a lot of losses before the light bulb went on.

It may be as simple as giving GSW time to grow out of it. It may require a change in coach, or even bringing in players with enough respect and credibility that when they call out the team on and off the court that the players actually respond. Or even all of the above.

I'm not sure making tons of trades is what's going to get GSW out of this funk. The TO's and lapses in defense weren't the work of any single player on GSW... they came from all over the place. And it's not necessarily poor preparation by the coaches as when they did lock in later in the game I did see solid defensive rotations and close outs.

I'm not sure there's an easy solution other than no matter how well they did last season, GSW at it's heart is still a very young team.

If you've watched the majority of W's games then you should know Klay, Barnes, Lee, Curry, Bogut do not have your so called "lazy" trait. You can remove such notion from your approach. And my question to you regarding how to fix such faults was more about a philosophical approach. I wasn't expecting a solution from you. Your last post you posed the question of when to blame the players, which triggered my response. You can blame the players every time they make a mistake, but do you have a system in place to correct and prevent the error from reoccurring? Basically do you have the know-how to put these players in a position to win/playing sound basketball? That's where the coaching comes in play.

The facts remain, Jackson has preached all he can and so far the team hasn't been listening with minimal results. Well, at least the Starters do not look like they are listening. Is this an early signal that the players are tuning out their coach? I don't know. This team is talented albeit lack of depth but talented enough; to play at this sub-par level for such a duration is unacceptable. Maybe accountability is a problem....back to the structure/program again.

I myself don't particular like Player's coach at the Pro level, maybe Keith Smart, he seems like a cool guy. And I’ve said in the past, such regime like this will not work well in the long run for any team. Time will tell.

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 05:59 PM
Maybe you should coach Chromehounds since you infer Mark Jckson doesn't have the 'know how' lol to put the players in positin to play winning basketball. What kind of a contrived, bias statement is that?

likemystylez
12-20-2013, 06:37 PM
"There's no way to excuse this loss," said center Andrew Bogut, who grabbed 18 rebounds, blocked three shots and was charged with two turnovers. "You can't lose this game at home."

I feel a lot of the players are aware of the issues^ Mostly the veteran guys (plus Draymond)

I don't think the attitude from some of the youngsters will change until somebody (other than coaching staff) says something in the locker room, and I think it will either be Bogut or Dre that end up doing it.

They need a Doc Rivers vs CP3 type zinger; "You haven't done **** in this league"

IM tired of players just talking... if bogut wants the win- then grab that rebound at the end and come down with it. he was the biggest player on the floor and the ball basically landed in his hands.

im not trying to blame it all on one player... but talking like he cares and then turning around and basically handing the opposing team a free lay up to win the game doesnt sit well with me

COOLbeans
12-20-2013, 06:51 PM
Just one more lapse to cap the night off

MackShock
12-20-2013, 06:55 PM
LOL....Where's Spanklin? I'm switching over to the Pelicans.

im singing the skyfall theme :) but spanklin is already on his way to clippertown

Goose17
12-21-2013, 08:22 AM
IM tired of players just talking... if bogut wants the win- then grab that rebound at the end and come down with it. he was the biggest player on the floor and the ball basically landed in his hands.

im not trying to blame it all on one player... but talking like he cares and then turning around and basically handing the opposing team a free lay up to win the game doesnt sit well with me

LOL being the biggest player doesn't mean you get every single rebound. You're being overly-critical and letting your emotions get in the way. Bogut was playing out of his mind when it came to rebounding, he was crashing the glass like a demon, but he's not going to get every single rebound and you can't blame him for the loss, there's plenty of guys on the floor that could have gotten the rebound or at the very least boxed out. Everyone makes mistakes, no matter how good a player they are.

I know you have a dislike for Bogut and some bias due to your injury conspiracy, but he's one of the few players we have that I would say is definitely NOT all talk.

I think he was being critical of himself as well, he knows he ****ed up. At least he's man enough to admit it.

Goose17
12-21-2013, 08:23 AM
Maybe you should coach Chromehounds since you infer Mark Jckson doesn't have the 'know how' lol to put the players in positin to play winning basketball. What kind of a contrived, bias statement is that?

He's easily the biggest Jackson hating dub fan I've encountered.

Doesn't give Jackson credit for anything.

likemystylez
12-21-2013, 12:29 PM
LOL being the biggest player doesn't mean you get every single rebound. You're being overly-critical and letting your emotions get in the way. Bogut was playing out of his mind when it came to rebounding, he was crashing the glass like a demon, but he's not going to get every single rebound and you can't blame him for the loss, there's plenty of guys on the floor that could have gotten the rebound or at the very least boxed out. Everyone makes mistakes, no matter how good a player they are.

I know you have a dislike for Bogut and some bias due to your injury conspiracy, but he's one of the few players we have that I would say is definitely NOT all talk.

I think he was being critical of himself as well, he knows he ****ed up. At least he's man enough to admit it.

LOl regarding bogut- the ball actually landed in his hands. But being the biggest player and having the ball in your hands- at the very least... bogut should have batted it out of bounds or somewhere other than right under the basket

Chromehounds
12-21-2013, 01:06 PM
Maybe you should coach Chromehounds since you infer Mark Jckson doesn't have the 'know how' lol to put the players in positin to play winning basketball. What kind of a contrived, bias statement is that?

I might as well entertain you with a reply, maybe a suggestion. Once in awhile you might want to pull your head out of a hole it is stucked in and get some fresh air.

Chromehounds
12-21-2013, 01:12 PM
He's easily the biggest Jackson hating dub fan I've encountered.

Doesn't give Jackson credit for anything.

I do give Jackson some credit, a good motivational coach he is. And I'll tell you what I'm not, unlike you, I'm not going to label Jackson as the W's Savior. Who is further from the truth you think?

nocalraiderfan
12-21-2013, 01:26 PM
Jackson is a great coach, anyone who doesn't think so, doesn't understand the game, IMO

COOLbeans
12-21-2013, 01:55 PM
I might as well entertain you with a reply, maybe a suggestion. Once in awhile you might want to pull your head out of a hole it is stucked in and get some fresh air.

Entertain me with a reply? Don't bother anymore. doesn't change the fact that I disagree with you and will continue to call your asinine comments out.

I guess because I disagree with you, I have my head stuck in the ground? FYI, you're one of the worst posters I've ever encountered on this website. And not because you're troll'ish, but because your responses are usually wrought with lame humor and you write the same antidotes over and over and over again. Just respond to the post, no need to repeat the same **** every week.

COOLbeans
12-21-2013, 01:58 PM
I might as well entertain you with a reply, maybe a suggestion. Once in awhile you might want to pull your head out of a hole it is stucked in and get some fresh air.


I do give Jackson some credit, a good motivational coach he is. And I'll tell you what I'm not, unlike you, I'm not going to label Jackson as the W's Savior. Who is further from the truth you think?

Look at your writing tone. Me and goose are saying the exact same things to you but your response tone always changes among various posters, depending on who youre talking to. Instead of responding substantively, you always say the same generic responses without a hint of authenticity depending on who the poster it is youre talking to. No need to reply to my posts with your lame, generic responses.

COOLbeans
12-21-2013, 02:05 PM
He's easily the biggest Jackson hating dub fan I've encountered.

Doesn't give Jackson credit for anything.

I think he resents Jackson for being a preacher. He always makes comments about this, he's clearly bias

Spanklin
12-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Barnes is beyond useless. No wonder Jackson isn't playing him much. We need to trade Barnes like I said all season long. #RealWarrior

COOLbeans
12-21-2013, 03:26 PM
No Barnes needs to start over Thompson

likemystylez
12-21-2013, 04:15 PM
No Barnes needs to start over Thompson

all this stuff doesnt really matter- if the team is going out with this effort level... it doesnt matter whos on the floor.

the warriors arent struggling because of match up problems or rotations- warriors are struggling because the players are basically out there sleepwalking for 2/3 of the game every night