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leprechaun5
12-12-2013, 02:36 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 13m
Latest trade scuttle: Raptors trying to construct deal with Knicks that would send Kyle Lowry to New York

leprechaun5
12-12-2013, 02:37 PM
in Ujiri Raptors believe ,he's going to kill the knicks again .

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 02:42 PM
Shump+Felton is all I can think of UNLESS it's a 2020 first and Felton :laugh:

Gibby
12-12-2013, 02:49 PM
when is the knicks next 1st round pick? Masai tanking like a boss!

meloman1592
12-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Lowry is not enough of an upgrade to give up a piece like shumpert for

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 02:50 PM
If the Raptors get Shumpert now then wow.

Cal827
12-12-2013, 02:52 PM
Shump+Felton is all I can think of UNLESS it's a 2020 first and Felton :laugh:

^ You better be part of the package or else lol

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 02:55 PM
It might be something like Lowry for Felton+Hardaway. I'm hearing Masaii wants a first rounder though lol.

NoahH
12-12-2013, 02:55 PM
It HAS to be Felton and Shumpert.

After looking on ESPN Trade Machine quickly the only players the Knicks can trade right now are:

Melo (won't trade him)
Amar'e (too big of contract)
Chandler (won't trade him)
Bargnani (Raptors won't reacquire)
Tim Hardaway (rookie, probably won't trade)
Shumpert (trade??)
Felton (trade))

The other players arent eligible to be traded for about a week or so because they were signed as free agents.

That leaves Shumpert and Felton only who conveniently match salary-wise to Lowry.


It might be something like Lowry for Felton+Hardaway. I'm hearing Masaii wants a first rounder though lol.

It could be Felton and Hardaway tho, because Shump & Felton seems a bit much for Lowry. Either way itll definitely be Felton & Hardaway OR Shump for Lowry. Not sure about a pick. If anyone can rob the Knicks of a pick its Ujiri

RAPTORS:

PG Felton
SG Shumpert
SF Derozan
PF Amir Johnson
C Valancinuas

Knicks

PG Lowry
SG JR Smith or Prigioni?
SF Metta or JR Smith?
PF Melo
C Bargnani / Chandler (when he comes back)

DallasTrilla23
12-12-2013, 02:55 PM
Ujiri just loves raping the Knicks and he's about to do it again.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 02:58 PM
^ You better be part of the package or else lol

No shump. But you guys could have me lol

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 03:00 PM
is Tim Hardaway enough of an add-on?

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:01 PM
The Nets are in this too! **** OFF!


@FisolaNYDN 12m
Knicks, Nets & Warriors all interested in Toronto point guard Kyle Lowry.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:02 PM
Lol Knicks getting desperate. If they add THJ or Shump, then that'd overkill man. Lowry is a good player but he's there for half a season.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:02 PM
Lol Nets already have Deron and Warriors already have Curry. Lowry won't come off the bench.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 03:03 PM
Maybe he goes all in and does Lowry,Derozan for Felton,Shumpert and a 1st.

Matter.
12-12-2013, 03:03 PM
Some team is getting raped

aman_13
12-12-2013, 03:03 PM
I really like Hardaway.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:04 PM
Maybe he goes all in and does Lowry,Derozan for Felton,Shumpert and a 1st.

They already traded their 2014, 2016 picks. It'd have to be 2018 probably or later.

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:04 PM
I got this sick feeling THJr or Shump gonna end up in Brooklyn.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:04 PM
Maybe he goes all in and does Lowry,Derozan for Felton,Shumpert and a 1st.
THat's just stupid And makes zero sense, the knicks dont even have picks.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:05 PM
Tim hardaway jr + shumpert for Lowry.

Gibby
12-12-2013, 03:05 PM
2015 1st round pick. If Melo leaves, that team will be ****.

aman_13
12-12-2013, 03:05 PM
Tim hardaway jr + shumpert for Lowry.

That would be a great trade for the Raps.

spreadeagle
12-12-2013, 03:06 PM
crazy, im interested to see how this one pans out, very hard to gauge Lowry's value

J4KOP99
12-12-2013, 03:06 PM
It would be pretty damn cool in wiggins ended up in Toronto

ACanadian
12-12-2013, 03:06 PM
"Shump" would be fine, his knees are an issue and I don't see a high ceiling with him. Tim Hardaway Jr would be a nice pick up as he is quite a good shooter, but nothing else.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 03:07 PM
Tim hardaway jr + shumpert for Lowry.

:laugh:

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 03:07 PM
If the Raptors get Shumpert now then wow.

Wow what? He would be considered good now?

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:07 PM
It would be pretty damn cool in wiggins ended up in Toronto

What if they pick someone else over him?

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 03:08 PM
Wow what? He would be considered good now?

For Kyle Lowry I think so.

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 03:08 PM
Lol Nets already have Deron and Warriors already have Curry. Lowry won't come off the bench.

I think he would for half a season especially if he thinks he can play in the playoffs and show his worth just before free agency.


Wow... some raptors fans are suggesting some stupid trades on the last page. Read up on the trading draft pick rules and the rules about salaries matching!!

NYK|NYY
12-12-2013, 03:08 PM
My thoughts:

First off, do not try and deal with Masai Ujiri, he is a wizard and he will clown suit you.

Secondly, I rather just wait for Tyson to come back and hope for the best. We are in the East and, for that reason alone, we shouldn't surrender our assets so quickly into the season. I like me some Kyle Lowry but I don't think he will improve us significantly, this roster has bigger issues than that.

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 03:10 PM
Tim hardaway jr + shumpert for Lowry.

+Felton and a 1st round pick.

Knowing the Knicks they would do that.

BHF
12-12-2013, 03:10 PM
I hope its not true i don't want anything from the Knicks, Raps should try to get a first round pick for Lowry.

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 03:12 PM
I wonder if the Raptors could get a third team involved and give them felton. They don't want his contract.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:12 PM
I think he would for half a season especially if he thinks he can play in the playoffs and show his worth just before free agency.


Wow... some raptors fans are suggesting some stupid trades on the last page. Read up on the trading draft pick rules and the rules about salaries matching!!

Yea, I did bring that up before and said he might. I think he would want to start in the end though while having a chance to make the playoffs (like NY if they can get it together).

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:12 PM
I wonder if the Raptors could get a third team involved and give them felton. They don't want his contract.

Miami for Joel Anthony.

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 03:14 PM
Miami for Joel Anthony.

Anthony has a player's option for next year but it isn't a horrible idea.

ACanadian
12-12-2013, 03:15 PM
We should trade for Knicks players more often, they can generate more loses for my Raps.

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:16 PM
+Felton and a 1st round pick.

Knowing the Knicks they would do that.

what 1st rd. pick...we don't own one.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:16 PM
+Felton and a 1st round pick.

Knowing the Knicks they would do that.

probably, but masai has suckered 3 first picks in his time in denver/ toronto, so we'll spare yall this time :D

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:17 PM
I personally dont think shump is that great, I dont see him being a better player than ross lol..but the raptors are just desperate to suck and grab assets.

Sadds The Gr8
12-12-2013, 03:19 PM
Shumpert or **** off

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:19 PM
Anthony has a player's option for next year but it isn't a horrible idea.

Thought he was expiring. Well there will be someone in need of a backup PG mid season deadline. Maybe pair him with Hayes to get Nash then Nash retires, taking him off the books.

Johann
12-12-2013, 03:20 PM
Shumpert or **** off

Shumpert's not even that good. His knees are also suspect.

#embracethehate

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 03:21 PM
We should trade for Knicks players more often, they can generate more loses for my Raps.

Take jr :D

Sadds The Gr8
12-12-2013, 03:21 PM
Shumpert's not even that good. His knees are also suspect.

#embracethehate

I know he's overrated by alot of ppl but he has potential and is an asset.

Eagles4Lyfe
12-12-2013, 03:23 PM
lmao ewwww man why the Knicks.
I wouldn't mind adding Robinson or Shumpert gives us more young assets to grow with our team.


But I also find it hilarious Knick fans keep suggesting Felton.
Why would we trade an expiring contract for a crummy one that has another 2 more years left on it lmao.

aman_13
12-12-2013, 03:24 PM
Shump's knees are a concern but i like the way he plays. He has too much freedom tho with the Knicks. His shot selection can be terrible at times.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:25 PM
well the knicks dont have to do the trade and give up assets, they can just continue to suck and let their pick go to denver. Lmfao

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 03:26 PM
well the knicks dont have to do the trade and give up assets, they can just continue to suck and let their pick go to denver. Lmfao

That made no sense

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:26 PM
That made no sense

What made no sense? the fact that the knicks dont have assets?

Johann
12-12-2013, 03:27 PM
I know he's overrated by alot of ppl but he has potential and is an asset.

Bad FG% - He has never been a good shooter
Bad 3Pt%
Not a good passer - Not a passer
Shaved his flattop
Good defender

I don't think his shooting will improve.

Tim Hardaway Jr would be much more of an asset for the Raptors than Shumpert.

If the Raptors got them both, I'd be happy though :)

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:27 PM
lmao ewwww man why the Knicks.
I wouldn't mind adding Robinson or Shumpert gives us more young assets to grow with our team.


But I also find it hilarious Knick fans keep suggesting Felton.
Why would we trade an expiring contract for a crummy one that has another 2 more years left on it lmao.

you don't know what being a Knicks fan is.

Unfortunately I see this deal, if it happens, it might be a 3 or 4 way deal. Brooklyn is in there to drive up the price. Billy King hasn't made a peep until he heard Felton was out and heard Knicks and Raps talking. Uri prolly called Brooklyn to open up options.

NoahH
12-12-2013, 03:30 PM
NETS and WARRIORS are also interested in Lowry

aman_13
12-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Bad FG% - He has never been a good shooter
Bad 3Pt%
Not a good passer - Not a passer
Shaved his flattop
Good defender

I don't think his shooting will improve.

Tim Hardaway Jr would be much more of an asset for the Raptors than Shumpert.

If the Raptors got them both, I'd be happy though :)

I would be happy with both as well but I haven't even checked the salaries. The Raps likely have to throw in a couple players to make it match.

Shump did shoot 40% last yr from the three.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Look at this way, if the knicks cant make a trade for a pg, and still suck and not make the playoffs and lose their pick to denver, is that worth it? Or is giving up shumpert for lowry a better option?

i personally think knick fans are overating what little assets are available.. I get that you have a ****** owner, but if the knicks offered shumpert for ross, i'd hang up.

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:33 PM
NETS and WARRIORS are also interested in Lowry

Lets be real here. We know who called who. Warriors have the picks, Nets have the resources to finish a 4 way or 3 way. Question is what does each team really want.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 03:33 PM
What made no sense? the fact that the knicks dont have assets?

The part about the nuggets get your pick

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:36 PM
The part about the nuggets get your pick

they do have our pick.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 03:36 PM
The part about the nuggets get your pick
You misinterpreted, The knicks pick would go to denver.

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 03:37 PM
Look at this way, if the knicks cant make a trade for a pg, and still suck and not make the playoffs and lose their pick to denver, is that worth it? Or is giving up shumpert for lowry a better option?

i personally think knick fans are overating what little assets are available.. I get that you have a ****** owner, but if the knicks offered shumpert for ross, i'd hang up.

Are you a Raptors or Lakers fan?

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:37 PM
Raptors receive: Teletovic and Shumpert/Hardaway
Nets Receive: Felton
Knicks Receive: Lowry

Eagles4Lyfe
12-12-2013, 03:38 PM
Shumpert had the same injury that Derrick Rose had, he just rushed back quicker from it than Rose and screwed it up.

I'd take him all day eerday for a expiring.
I'd throw in one of our 2nds if need be

The Pacers though IMO should be the ones going hard after Lowry,fits with that team so perfectly

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 03:39 PM
Raptors receive: Teletovic and Shumpert/Hardaway
Nets Receive: Felton
Knicks Receive: Lowry

I doubt the Nets take Felton, but who knows.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 03:41 PM
I doubt the Nets take Felton, but who knows.

They need a PG so maybe. Williams has had injury issues and they might not want to rely on Livingston if that is the case. They have Terry though so that might clog up the rotation if everyone is healthy.

spreadeagle
12-12-2013, 03:42 PM
ESPN said for Felton and one other player

Cal827
12-12-2013, 03:46 PM
I'm not sure about the validity of the Golden State interest. I mean, I don't think Lowry will play back-up (unless he get a ton of minutes at the 1/2 as the 6th man, but they have Iggy/Barnes occasionally at the two), and the only players we would want off them (that are even possible), are Thompson or Barnes, and I'm pretty sure that GS won't gamble their future, for a player that might leave after the season to start somewhere else.

As for the Nets, there isn't anybody there that I think Ujiri would want, unless he wants to do a massive Salary Dump. As in Pierce, Plumbee or Taylor, and the less favorable of the first round picks in 2015 (Per the Joe Johnson-Atlanta Trade)t for Lowry, Amir Johsnon and Laundry Fields.

The Way Amir is playing of recently, he could comprimise the team's chances in the lottery (as it appears that Ujiri is going into Rebuild mode)

Maybe Add Telovic/Novak to people that might move around if we trade with the Nets.

if we do end up dealing with Jersey, I do sure hope that we get our revenge from the last trade we made with them lol

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 03:46 PM
ESPN said for Felton and one other player

they guessing. No chance of that. And Felton is injured. Not a move that GM is known for.

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 03:50 PM
They need a PG so maybe. Williams has had injury issues and they might not want to rely on Livingston if that is the case. They have Terry though so that might clog up the rotation if everyone is healthy.

Yeah that's true. Livingston is a good back up, but if DWill is going to be injured, can't have him starting.


ESPN said for Felton and one other player

Raps GM is not stupid. Can't see him taking Felton, third team must be involved.

shep33
12-12-2013, 03:54 PM
what 1st rd. pick...we don't own one.


. Future pick in 2018 is eligible to be traded

shep33
12-12-2013, 03:55 PM
This seems like a panic trade. Masai is going to clown them for a future 1st

If he calls just hang up New York lol. Dude is my favorite GM

leprechaun5
12-12-2013, 03:56 PM
Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeck 2m
Shumpert fans, exhale: I'm told chances of him going to TOR in a Lowry deal are slim. Raps not high on him. Knicks prefer to keep (for now).

shep33
12-12-2013, 04:02 PM
Watch fields go back to New York

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 04:04 PM
Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeck 2m
Shumpert fans, exhale: I'm told chances of him going to TOR in a Lowry deal are slim. Raps not high on him. Knicks prefer to keep (for now).
Cool. Not Shump.

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 04:04 PM
Watch fields go back to New York

http://theknickswall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/landry-fields-confused1.gif

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 04:07 PM
. Future pick in 2018 is eligible to be traded

5 yrs. from now.

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 04:08 PM
This seems like a panic trade. Masai is going to clown them for a future 1st

If he calls just hang up New York lol. Dude is my favorite GM

we have the KY jelly ready.

SINCESTARBURY25
12-12-2013, 04:22 PM
Shumpert for lowery only if we get derozan too

Cal827
12-12-2013, 04:23 PM
Shumpert for lowery only if we get derozan too
:laugh2:

ACanadian
12-12-2013, 04:24 PM
Shumpert for lowery only if we get derozan too

:laugh:

D-Leethal
12-12-2013, 04:26 PM
Better not be Hardaway in this deal.

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 04:27 PM
Better not be Hardaway in this deal.

you do know Steve Mills is the gm right?

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 04:28 PM
Shumpert for lowery only if we get derozan too

:laugh2:

:smoking: :drunk:

Jamiecballer
12-12-2013, 04:39 PM
Lowry is not enough of an upgrade to give up a piece like shumpert for

yeah. heaven forbid you should give up a guy with a career PER of 11 for a solid point guard.

mudvayne387
12-12-2013, 04:52 PM
It's adorable how everyone thinks the Knicks were fleeced in the Bargs trade.

bucketss
12-12-2013, 05:01 PM
Shumpert for lowery only if we get derozan too

:laugh:

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 05:03 PM
Just curious, if we do get Lowry, how long until the PSD community starts calling him fat and that he sucks?

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/286/061/hi-res-161634515_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 05:05 PM
411238999236173824

You get a pick! YOU GET A PICK! YOU GET A PICK! EVERYONE GETS A PICK!!!!

leprechaun5
12-12-2013, 05:06 PM
Felton/MWP/2018 first rounder .

:clap:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-pursuing-trade-for-kyle-lowry-204933654.html

bucketss
12-12-2013, 05:06 PM
Just curious, if we do get Lowry, how long until the PSD community starts calling him fat and that he sucks?

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/286/061/hi-res-161634515_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

when he becomes fat, and starts sucking.

bucketss
12-12-2013, 05:07 PM
Felton/MWP/2018 first rounder .

:clap:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-pursuing-trade-for-kyle-lowry-204933654.html

uhh how about no.

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 05:07 PM
when he becomes fat, and starts sucking.

Or when he puts on a Knicks uni. ;)

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 05:09 PM
uhh how about no.

how about... sure!

MWP should be interesting, that is if we don't send him somewhere else immediately.

Come on man... give Peace a chance!

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:10 PM
Damn id miss MWP but id do that in a second

Cal827
12-12-2013, 05:11 PM
Felton/MWP/2018 first rounder .

:clap:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-pursuing-trade-for-kyle-lowry-204933654.html

lol, better be an unprotected pick

mjt20mik
12-12-2013, 05:12 PM
Do not know how I feel about this.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:14 PM
lol, better be an unprotected pick

Too 29 protected and you will take it :p nah for real I'm sure it is

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 05:14 PM
how about... sure!

MWP should be interesting, that is if we don't send him somewhere else immediately.

Come on man... give Peace a chance!

Probably would be bought out and sign with Brooklyn. :laugh2:

torocan
12-12-2013, 05:14 PM
Dolan and Mills are total *****...

Another 1st round pick? Really? REALLY?

:bang::bang::bang::bang:

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:15 PM
Crap, don't want MWP in Toronto. Terrible piece to acquire since he's nothing but a trouble maker.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:15 PM
I mean Felton does help Toronto chance of wiggins.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:16 PM
Crap, don't want MWP in Toronto. Terrible piece to acquire since he's nothing but a trouble maker.

Not really much anymore

bucketss
12-12-2013, 05:20 PM
mwp
salmons
hayes
felton

almost puked in my mouth.

AntwanN21
12-12-2013, 05:21 PM
mwp
salmons
hayes
felton

almost puked in my mouth.

Top 5 draft pick. Expendable assets. It's a rebuild.

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:25 PM
Knicks board is filled with pipe dream trades with Amare leaving from NYK. Smh.

Paul Jeffrey
12-12-2013, 05:26 PM
Oh please please please Billy King don't get Lowry. Please.

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:26 PM
Oh please please please Billy King don't get Lowry. Please.

Can you guys even top off the offer from the Bricks?

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:29 PM
Knicks board is filled with pipe dream trades with Amare leaving from NYK. Smh.

That's fine I'll keep amare

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:33 PM
One of the Knicks or Nets are about to give away another 1st rounder :laugh2:.

Chill_Will_24
12-12-2013, 05:33 PM
How is Lowry defensively?

I dont like it for the Nets if he is a bad defender. We are in serious need of an athletic guy that can defend and we already have a back up PG.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:33 PM
Can MWP even be traded before the 15th?

Chill_Will_24
12-12-2013, 05:34 PM
One of the Knicks or Nets are about to give away another 1st rounder :laugh2:.

Masai Ujiri pitting the Nets and Knicks in a bidding war for a mediocre player? This seems familiar. It seems to end with the Knicks getting the player and the Nets getting a slightly better one out of left field. hopefully the sequel is similar

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 05:38 PM
How is Lowry defensively?

I dont like it for the Nets if he is a bad defender. We are in serious need of an athletic guy that can defend and we already have a back up PG.

good defensively. Not sure if the stats back it up.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:41 PM
Nets are offering the rights to Bojan Bogdanovic.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:41 PM
He was a top 3 defensive pg a couple years ago it has went down last couple of years but it's still good but he is not a type of player to come off the bench lol not happy anyway

mjt20mik
12-12-2013, 05:42 PM
MU just stiring the pot between the Knicks and the Nets. He's scouting a game of Brooklyns 22nd pick this year

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:42 PM
Soon, the Knicks will have nothing left to trade and the fun will be over for teams looking for a quick fleece.

mjt20mik
12-12-2013, 05:43 PM
Can MWP even be traded before the 15th?

No

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:45 PM
"Toronto officials have been scouting and calling European contacts on Bojan Bogdanovic, a 24-year-old shooting guard with whom the Nets own the rights"

Anybody know anything about this kid?

nycericanguy
12-12-2013, 05:47 PM
One of the Knicks or Nets are about to give away another 1st rounder :laugh2:.

Didn't TOR trade the #8 overall pick for Lowry though?

If its protected, I think Lowry is definitely worth a 1st rounder no?

Yankeefan213
12-12-2013, 05:47 PM
I really hope Dolan doesn't do his usual ********. We are gonna get *** raped in this deal no matter what. JUST STAY AWAY!!!!

Beltrans Mole
12-12-2013, 05:47 PM
Soon, the Knicks will have nothing left to trade and the fun will be over for teams looking for a quick fleece.

Good one! You're awesome!!

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:49 PM
Chris Broussard-"Knicks' pursuit of Kyle Lowry being held up by Knicks' refusal to give up 1st round pick, sources say"
4:43 PM - 12 Dec 2013


Wise on the Knicks part

dalton749
12-12-2013, 05:50 PM
Didn't TOR trade the #8 overall pick for Lowry though?

If its protected, I think Lowry is definitely worth a 1st rounder no?

12th pick
steven adams

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:50 PM
Soon, the Knicks will have nothing left to trade and the fun will be over for teams looking for a quick fleece.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:50 PM
Didn't TOR trade the #8 overall pick for Lowry though?

If its protected, I think Lowry is definitely worth a 1st rounder no?

Yeah they're old GM who they just fired did trade a 1st rounder for him.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 05:50 PM
The knicks expect to give nothing and get lowry. Wont give up a first, wont give up shump. nor THJr. how lame.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 05:51 PM
Wise on the Knicks part

Dolan will force the trade, if this trade goes down the Knicks won't have a future!

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 05:51 PM
Wise on the Knicks part

Trust Woj more than Broussard. Woj says Knicks want to give up a 2018 first. And that's what will get the deal done. Toronto controls all the marbles. NYK, Brooklyn, Golden State, etc will have to compete for Lowry.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 05:52 PM
The knicks expect to give nothing and get lowry. Wont give up a first, wont give up shump. nor THJr. how lame.

How you give up your 1st round pick this year for Lowery

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:53 PM
Dolan will force the trade, if this trade goes down the Knicks won't have a future!

Better not trade a 1st rounder. Especially a 2018 one when you guys will more then likely be rebuilding.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 05:54 PM
Who is to say 2018 they will be rebuilding?

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:56 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Knicks don't want to burn first-rounder for Kyle Lowry and naturally prefer to keep Hardaway Jr. + save Shumpert (for another deal). But ...

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 33s
Toronto insisting on a first since proposed trade not only sends Lowry to NYK but sticks Raps w/Felton's longer-term $. Let's see who bends - See more at: http://forums.******.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1290079&start=885#sthash.Wwpvrv8r.dpuf

nycericanguy
12-12-2013, 05:56 PM
Yeah they're old GM who they just fired did trade a 1st rounder for him.

Not just a 1st rounder, a lottery pick!

I mean you gotta give to get... as long as NY can get assurances that Lowry will resign, he's worth a 1st rounder, especially if they are unloading Felton's deal which goes into 2017 I believe.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:57 PM
Who is to say 2018 they will be rebuilding?

True, but who's to say that they won't be. That would suck that you could possibly lose a top 10 pick over Kyle Lowry.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 05:57 PM
If Im the raptors, I rather keep lowry and let the knicks and nets just suffer. Or trade him to OKC for a 1st round pick if they cared for some bench depth.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 05:58 PM
Masai shouldnt do that trade, Feltons contract is ugly.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 05:59 PM
Not just a 1st rounder, a lottery pick!

I mean you gotta give to get... as long as NY can get assurances that Lowry will resign, he's worth a 1st rounder, especially if they are unloading Felton's deal which goes into 2017 I believe.

It's your team not mine. I don't care what you guys do but I wouldn't want to lose another 1st rounder if I were you guys.

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 06:00 PM
I rather trade lowry to the warriors for a pair of second rounders than take feltons contract, and let the knicks lose their pick this year in the draft to the nuggets

nycericanguy
12-12-2013, 06:01 PM
It's your team not mine. I don't care what you guys do but I wouldn't want to lose another 1st rounder if I were you guys.

I wish it was...lol... just a fan.

Personally I'd rather go the rebuild route and try to trade Melo to you guys for Monroe & Smith.

jakedajewler
12-12-2013, 06:03 PM
If Im the raptors, I rather keep lowry and let the knicks and nets just suffer. Or trade him to OKC for a 1st round pick if they cared for some bench depth.

Yeah I don't like the knicks trade from the raptors perspective

leprechaun5
12-12-2013, 06:03 PM
Anybody know anything about this kid?

He's the leading euroleague scorer this season , and one of the top 5 euro players who play outside of NBA .He can shot ,post up ,and is very skilled .Not athletic and his defense is average but he can be a very nice piece to any nba team .

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 06:04 PM
True, but who's to say that they won't be. That would suck that you could possibly lose a top 10 pick over Kyle Lowry.

Agreed but id think they would be solid no way to tell really. I think it's worth the risk

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 06:07 PM
Knicks GM: Our offer is MWP and Felton for Lowry and we won't budge. Uriji: You're on dope or something? I am done here.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 06:08 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 14s
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say..

Wow, that's a pretty high asking price.

shep33
12-12-2013, 06:08 PM
5 yrs. from now.

Still man, you don't want to have no picks for like 10 years. Picks are valuable tools in today's NBA

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 06:09 PM
Wow, that's a pretty high asking price.

Knicks about to take it up the butt twice in one calendar year.

Johann
12-12-2013, 06:10 PM
Wow, that's a pretty high asking price.

Glad Masai's not settling with Felton + Metta

nycericanguy
12-12-2013, 06:11 PM
Glad Masai's not settling with Felton + Metta

Well Felton & MWP make no sense for TOR... Lowry is an expiring, Felton & MWP have 5-6 years left on their deals combined. So I understand TOR needs an asset to make the trade and take those contracts.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 06:15 PM
Well Felton & MWP make no sense for TOR... Lowry is an expiring, Felton & MWP have 5-6 years left on their deals combined. So I understand TOR needs an asset to make the trade and take those contracts.

Yeah I forgot Lowry is a expiring. There's no incentive to take on Felton without taking on two of those assets.

dtmagnet
12-12-2013, 06:16 PM
Wow, that's a pretty high asking price.

Raptors def in the drivers seat as they can just let Lowry expire or trade him to one of the other teams that are interested.

maddBat
12-12-2013, 06:16 PM
lowry is so underrated imo. he can add that ball movement knicks have been missing. he has decent enough defense and can shoot/pass/penetrate. imagine the line up of lowry/jr/melo/barg/chandler ... pretty scary team.
if im the knicks i do it even to give up a pick. if it doesnt work out u can trade melo for picks lol =D

edit- my bad didnt know he was expiring. if this happens gm of the year goes to the raps. damn

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 06:20 PM
Lol if Raptors can get 2 of the 3 they are asking for, Knickss GM is even more of a joke.

TrueFan420
12-12-2013, 06:25 PM
I rather trade lowry to the warriors for a pair of second rounders than take feltons contract, and let the knicks lose their pick this year in the draft to the nuggets

Deal

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 06:27 PM
Lol if Raptors can get 2 of the 3 they are asking for, Knickss GM is even more of a joke.


Lol agreed if they can get one of shump or thjr that's a joke enough lol

WARRIORS@GR
12-12-2013, 06:39 PM
David Lee for Lowry+Amir Johnson.Get it done:D

lakeshow22
12-12-2013, 06:40 PM
lowry is better than felton

Wade n Fade
12-12-2013, 06:41 PM
David Lee for Lowry+Amir Johnson.Get it done:D

Why are you so quick to trade away David Lee? Is it the contract and the injury from last season?

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 06:43 PM
lowry is better than felton

Duh

WARRIORS@GR
12-12-2013, 06:43 PM
Why are you so quick to trade away David Lee? Is it the contract and the injury from last season?None.It's that I don't like him right now.A little overreacting.Does that trade look fair,I don't know.I feel we're getting too much.Maybe add someone like Nedovic?

North Yorker
12-12-2013, 06:45 PM
None.It's that I don't like him right now.A little overreacting.Does that trade look fair,I don't know.I feel we're getting too much.Maybe add someone like Nedovic?

Toronto reportedly turned down Lee for Bargs. There's no way Masai takes on his contract.

WARRIORS@GR
12-12-2013, 06:54 PM
Toronto reportedly turned down Lee for Bargs. There's no way Masai takes on his contract.Yeah,I doubt that too.But the Knicks don't have anything valuable for them,except Shumpert.Lowry is a rental,and I doubt any team would give up more value than David Lee for him.I mean,he was a legit all-star last year,and he produces at around all-star level every year,at least offensively.His contract is a little high,but it's still not sooo bad.

PurpleLynch
12-12-2013, 07:07 PM
Anyone has a Masai's meme for me? I'm loving this guy.

deaner
12-12-2013, 07:37 PM
I have this feeling the lakers are going to show up last second and take Lowry from the other bidding teams.

bucketss
12-12-2013, 07:49 PM
Yeah,I doubt that too.But the Knicks don't have anything valuable for them,except Shumpert.Lowry is a rental,and I doubt any team would give up more value than David Lee for him.I mean,he was a legit all-star last year,and he produces at around all-star level every year,at least offensively.His contract is a little high,but it's still not sooo bad.

yeah but will he net us wiggins?

NYKnickFanatic
12-12-2013, 07:53 PM
Anyone has a Masai's meme for me? I'm loving this guy.

Here, I just made this lol

http://www.memecreator.org/meme/oh-wait-yes-i-do

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 07:56 PM
Anyone has a Masai's meme for me? I'm loving this guy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbUQB1xCYAADzEK.jpg:large

allSUAVE
12-12-2013, 08:11 PM
Masai Ujuri can go eff himself.. He's taking advantage of my knicks front office stupidity.

DallasTrilla23
12-12-2013, 08:14 PM
Knicks hesitating to trade a 1st round pick is like a loose girl hesitating to give it up on the 1st date.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-12-2013, 08:18 PM
Trollolloll.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 08:21 PM
I have this feeling the lakers are going to show up last second and take Lowry from the other bidding teams.

If they give this years first yup

True Sports Fan
12-12-2013, 08:27 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

What picks do the Knicks even have?

ManRam
12-12-2013, 08:31 PM
Sad to see these NY teams continue to be so delusional about the talent on their teams and thus willing to mortgage what's left of their future assets for a shot at perhaps, at the VERY best, getting out of the first round.

Poor fans.

Paul Jeffrey
12-12-2013, 08:33 PM
Masai runs New York. Manhattan at least.

torocan
12-12-2013, 08:45 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

What picks do the Knicks even have?

2018 1st, 2019 1st, 2020 1st... 2018 1st is the one under discussion.

Clearly having no picks for the next 3 years is not enough of a disadvantage, so Dolan will once again up the stakes and increase his handicap to 5 years!

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 08:47 PM
2015,2017,2018,2019,2020

torocan
12-12-2013, 08:48 PM
2015,2017,2018,2019,2020

2015 and 2017 are not tradable since the Knicks already traded away their 2014 and 2016 1st round picks.

bucketss
12-12-2013, 08:55 PM
:dance: go MU!!

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 09:04 PM
2015 and 2017 are not tradable since the Knicks already traded away their 2014 and 2016 1st round picks.


I know im saying they have picks to actually use

0nekhmer
12-12-2013, 09:14 PM
If the Knicks continue this pace, we'll get a top 5 pick for trading Andrea bargnani. Maybe we shouldn't give them Lowry :P all the leverage is in masai baby

KnicksorBust
12-12-2013, 09:15 PM
The reports are so drastically different. Knicks offer Felton and MWP. Raptors want Shumpert-HardawayJr.-1st rounder.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 09:16 PM
I'll pass, good luck getting a first round pick for Lowery

bucketss
12-12-2013, 09:23 PM
I'll pass, good luck getting a first round pick for Lowery

we got one for bargnani so im sure this will fall through LMAFO!!

BHF
12-12-2013, 09:24 PM
I'll pass, good luck getting a first round pick for Lowery

Lowry isnt Felton or Stat we can easily get a first round for him. Lowry is a proven starting caliber pg and one of the best defensive pg in the league.

ball4reel
12-12-2013, 09:26 PM
Nobody is going to give a 1st for a guy who is often injured and a free agent at the end of this season..

bucketss
12-12-2013, 09:31 PM
Nobody is going to give a 1st for a guy who is often injured and a free agent at the end of this season..

what about a guy who is often injured, is 7 feet tall but grabs only 4 boards a game, plays no defense, is paid 10 mill a year? can that net a first rounder? probably not.... OH WAIT IT DID.

BHF
12-12-2013, 09:49 PM
Knicks fans always overrate their players and underrate everyone else whats new lol

Knicks21
12-12-2013, 09:50 PM
what about a guy who is often injured, is 7 feet tall but grabs only 4 boards a game, plays no defense, is paid 10 mill a year? can that net a first rounder? probably not.... OH WAIT IT DID.

I really don't get the hype for Ujiri, the Nuggets aren't elite and never have been under his reign and neither are the Raptors. He gave up Afflao and a first for nothing, and he didnt exactly rape the Knicks trade (denver) either, sure NY had to give up a lot, but look where it got Denver, nowhere. He didn't necessarily find a gem in Faired either, as every mock draft had him going a spot higher to the blazers.

He's good and gets the most he can out of trades, but a lot of that is luck. And FYI, watch Bargani vs Houston this season, the man can play defence.

TheNumber37
12-12-2013, 09:56 PM
Rockets Should get on it...

Lowry and Novak
for Asik and Patrick Beveryly.

Both sides want draft picks for their pieces... Lowry/Asik and neither should get them.
Lowry is a huge upgrade from the Beverly/Lin experiment and has already played in Houston. He would flourish in their uptempo style and play well with Harden, Parsons and Howard in Adelman's system... If Bibby can do it!

Novak would get to play with Lin again, a guy who would definitely find him for his plethora of open looks playing with Howard... An appeasement to not getting Ryan Anderson for Dwight.

The Raptors get Asik a legit Center that they can start and help shore their young feeble frontline, but he also won't contribute to winning... Plus, you get him for 2 years to see if it's ever gonna work, if it's not... he's a great expiring chip to have next year. Patrick Beverly gives you the same deal. He would have room to grow in Toronto, rising his value, and it all would not contribute to winning. And again.. another 2 years on his deal.

NBA trade machine likes it. Rockets win 2 more, Raptors lose 6 more. Everbody wins.

WARRIORS@GR
12-12-2013, 10:03 PM
Rockets Should get on it...

Lowry and Novak
for Asik and Patrick Beveryly.

Both sides want draft picks for their pieces... Lowry/Asik and neither should get them.
Lowry is a huge upgrade from the Beverly/Lin experiment and has already played in Houston. He would flourish in their uptempo style and play well with Harden, Parsons and Howard in Adelman's system... If Bibby can do it!

Novak would get to play with Lin again, a guy who would definitely find him for his plethora of open looks playing with Howard... An appeasement to not getting Ryan Anderson for Dwight.

The Raptors get Asik a legit Center that they can start and help shore their young feeble frontline, but he also won't contribute to winning... Plus, you get him for 2 years to see if it's ever gonna work, if it's not... he's a great expiring chip to have next year. Patrick Beverly gives you the same deal. He would have room to grow in Toronto, rising his value, and it all would not contribute to winning. And again.. another 2 years on his deal.

NBA trade machine likes it. Rockets win 2 more, Raptors lose 6 more. Everbody wins.I wouldn't do it if i'm Houston.The Rockets biggest need is a stretch 4 who can defend at an acceptable level.They already have two legit PG's,so no need for Lowry.And they have enough legit shooters off the bench,Casspi-Garcia.Parsons is a good shooter too.Why spend your only valuable trade chip for players you don't need?

TheNumber37
12-12-2013, 10:13 PM
I wouldn't do it if i'm Houston.The Rockets biggest need is a stretch 4 who can defend at an acceptable level.They already have two legit PG's,so no need for Lowry.And they have enough legit shooters off the bench,Casspi-Garcia.Parsons is a good shooter too.Why spend your only valuable trade chip for players you don't need?

+ 2 wins, though.

Max.This
12-12-2013, 10:14 PM
what about a guy who is often injured, is 7 feet tall but grabs only 4 boards a game, plays no defense, is paid 10 mill a year? can that net a first rounder? probably not.... OH WAIT IT DID.

Lol your an idiot. This is the same pick that can be swapped by Denver if they choose to. There are a handful of players each draft that even make a smudge of a difference on a team unless they're top 5. Even then, most often it takes them a few years. Enjoy the draft pick that can be swapped, but we got a guaranteed 14, 5, and a block a night. You can't even say that the draft pick will pan out. It could be a serious scrub, atleast we know what we're getting

WARRIORS@GR
12-12-2013, 10:16 PM
+ 2 wins, though.It's on paper though.And Asik flipped anywhere could give them more than +2 wins.

NYK|NYY
12-12-2013, 10:20 PM
I really don't get the hype for Ujiri, the Nuggets aren't elite and never have been under his reign and neither are the Raptors. He gave up Afflao and a first for nothing, and he didnt exactly rape the Knicks trade (denver) either, sure NY had to give up a lot, but look where it got Denver, nowhere. He didn't necessarily find a gem in Faired either, as every mock draft had him going a spot higher to the blazers.

He's good and gets the most he can out of trades, but a lot of that is luck. And FYI, watch Bargani vs Houston this season, the man can play defence.

What more could he extract from New York in terms of the 'Melo trade? He basically got everything worth having. And to be honest, since the trade, their roster has been more competitive when you consider East vs West. Even last year they were poised for a deep run in the playoffs until Gallo was hurt. Considering he gave up a franchise type player, I would say he came out pretty damn well. I bet most Nuggets fans would do that trade over.

He also just dumped Rudy Gay, which not only made their current team better (Gay was THAT bad for them) but didn't affect his plan to rebuild.

So while Ujriri is not Jesus himself, he is one of the best right now. I mean you even just said "he gets the most he can out of trades", that's fantastic! That's exactly what I want a GM to do.

0nekhmer
12-12-2013, 10:22 PM
Lowry isnt Felton or Stat we can easily get a first round for him. Lowry is a proven starting caliber pg and one of the best defensive pg in the league.

Raptors fan here, lowry is not one of the best defensive PG's in the league, he's actually very flat footed and will get blown by easily by quick guards. The reason he gets steals is because he gambles a lot, and is pretty damn good at stripping guys from behind. Other than that, he's not nowhere near a lockdown defender like you're thinking.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 10:28 PM
we got one for bargnani so im sure this will fall through LMAFO!!

Did you get one for Gay?

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 10:29 PM
Lowry isnt Felton or Stat we can easily get a first round for him. Lowry is a proven starting caliber pg and one of the best defensive pg in the league.

He's a free agent, you're not getting a 1st

KniCks4LiFe
12-12-2013, 10:29 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

What picks do the Knicks even have?

that's the Masiah I know. Get KYJ ready.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 10:30 PM
Nobody is going to give a 1st for a guy who is often injured and a free agent at the end of this season..

Exactly he's an expiring contract and injury prone player... Buckets on that Molly again

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 10:30 PM
He's a free agent, you're not getting a 1st

They probably will

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2013, 10:34 PM
They probably will

The only team that traded a 1st for an expiring contract was the Nets... The Nets don't have any more picks till 2030. They're not getting a 1st for him, he's not even worth it IMO

BHF
12-12-2013, 10:36 PM
Raptors fan here, lowry is not one of the best defensive PG's in the league, he's actually very flat footed and will get blown by easily by quick guards. The reason he gets steals is because he gambles a lot, and is pretty damn good at stripping guys from behind. Other than that, he's not nowhere near a lockdown defender like you're thinking.

Yes he is he is one of the best defensive point guards in the league, feel free to name me 10 starting pg in the league that are better. I never said he is a lock down defender there is only a handful of them in the league. Point guards are fast so everyone gets blown by eventually its not just Lowry.

BHF
12-12-2013, 10:42 PM
He's a free agent, you're not getting a 1st

We have a better chance of getting a first for Lowry than you have getting a decent player for Felton and Metta. Our gm is not dumb he wont give Lowry for nothing he is not in a rush to trade him.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 10:45 PM
The only team that traded a 1st for an expiring contract was the Nets... The Nets don't have any more picks till 2030. They're not getting a 1st for him, he's not even worth it IMO

Depends a late first I don't see why not

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 10:47 PM
You see, as pricey as it sounds, getting two out of the 3, a 1st round pick in 2018, iman shumpkniert , and tim hardaway jr.. the safest choice is actually to trade both iman and THjr, as the pick in2018 could be a lottery pick.
The knicks clearly need this trade more than the raptors. They can easily give vasquez more minues and tank, they dont need to trade him to the knicks to take on a shity contract. Lmfao

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 10:55 PM
Masai knows how to play chess.

RipCity32
12-12-2013, 11:00 PM
"Knicks owner Jim Dolan is sensitive to the public perception that Toronto general manger Masai Ujiri bamboozled New York in the Carmelo Anthony trade, and the chance of getting panned for giving up too much in a deal for Lowry has become a hurdle in these talks, league sources told Yahoo Sports"

:laugh:

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 11:03 PM
Raptors should take THJr + 1st in 2018.

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 11:04 PM
:laugh:

bucketss
12-12-2013, 11:05 PM
:laugh:

:laugh:

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 11:06 PM
:laugh:

Let them laugh, at the end of the day, the raptors are wielding control in this deal because NY DESPERATELY needs help with how their season is going . So let the knick fans laugh.

koreancabbage
12-12-2013, 11:09 PM
"Knicks owner Jim Dolan is sensitive to the public perception that Toronto general manger Masai Ujiri bamboozled New York in the Carmelo Anthony trade, and the chance of getting panned for giving up too much in a deal for Lowry has become a hurdle in these talks, league sources told Yahoo Sports"


:laugh:

Carmelo, Bargnani, and now Lowry?!

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 11:10 PM
Let them laugh, at the end of the day, the raptors are wielding control in this deal because NY DESPERATELY needs help with how their season is going . So let the knick fans laugh.


No we don't

ball4reel
12-12-2013, 11:11 PM
Carmelo, Bargnani, and now Lowry?!


Didn't know the deal was done

FriedTofuz
12-12-2013, 11:14 PM
Someone make a messiah sig for Masai Ujiri

deaner
12-12-2013, 11:50 PM
Did you get one for Gay?

No, more importantly we saved over 12 million on the deal and got back usable assets. The only inflated contract returning to Toronto is Salmons who has only 1M guarantee next season so Masai can work that into a huge trade.

Who else are you going to deal for? Lowry is a top 12 PG and can single handedly change your season. Plus he wants to remain in NY and you acquire his bird rights so you can actually pay the man to stay. Otherwise good luck with your salary situation.

Kenny Powders
12-12-2013, 11:54 PM
You would think the Knicks would know to stay away from Ujiri. Fool me once, shame in you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times?

Cal827
12-12-2013, 11:57 PM
You would think the Knicks would know to stay away from Ujiri. Fool me once, shame in you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times?

Shame on Basketball Reasons.

FriedTofuz
12-13-2013, 12:30 AM
Masai is trading all of Bryan Colangelo's acquisitions, that must be tough to see...

GrumpyOldMan
12-13-2013, 01:07 AM
Lowry makes too much for the Knicks to acquire without Felton coming here to the Raps. It would have to be Felton plus at least one more player for the salaries to match. Shump plus THJ and a pick isn't even possible for Lowry is it?
That being said, I personally dont want Felton and his 2 or 3 remaining years so I would move on to another team to try to move Lowry to.

clehmun
12-13-2013, 02:24 AM
I don't quite understand why Raptors are so keen on moving Kyle Lowry. I mean he is still just 27, in his prime, and makes only 6+ million a year. He's one of the better PG in Raps History and even plays a bit of defense.

Why can't we just start building already instead of resetting and trade everyone to start from scratch every time a new GM comes in.

I think a Derozan, JV, Lowry + next year's picks is a good start.

shep33
12-13-2013, 02:31 AM
I don't quite understand why Raptors are so keen on moving Kyle Lowry. I mean he is still just 27, in his prime, and makes only 6+ million a year. He's one of the better PG in Raps History and even plays a bit of defense.

Why can't we just start building already instead of resetting and trade everyone to start from scratch every time a new GM comes in.

I think a Derozan, JV, Lowry + next year's picks is a good start.

They're going for Wiggins. Don't blame them, that would so awesome if he landed in Toronto.

heyman321
12-13-2013, 02:49 AM
I don't quite understand why Raptors are so keen on moving Kyle Lowry. I mean he is still just 27, in his prime, and makes only 6+ million a year. He's one of the better PG in Raps History and even plays a bit of defense.

Why can't we just start building already instead of resetting and trade everyone to start from scratch every time a new GM comes in.

I think a Derozan, JV, Lowry + next year's picks is a good start.

Do you know how the NBA works??? It's been built on stars, always has been, always will be. You can't have a good team without a franchise talent. How do you suppose the Raptors will get a good pick if they don't tank? Derozan is a 3rd option at best on a championship level team (and still not remotely as good as Chris Bosh who is the third wheel on the Heat). That's how far the Raptors are from a title. And you want us to build on Derozan? HAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously dude get a clue.

Lowry is bolting after this year anyways, and Valanciunas is still 3-4 years from even being a dependable piece.

clehmun
12-13-2013, 03:08 AM
Do you know how the NBA works??? It's been built on stars, always has been, always will be. You can't have a good team without a franchise talent. How do you suppose the Raptors will get a good pick if they don't tank? Derozan is a 3rd option at best on a championship level team (and still not remotely as good as Chris Bosh who is the third wheel on the Heat). That's how far the Raptors are from a title. And you want us to build on Derozan? HAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously dude get a clue.

Lowry is bolting after this year anyways, and Valanciunas is still 3-4 years from even being a dependable piece.

Let's try to have a mature debate.
I never said we should build around Derozan. I said he along with Lowry, JV, and next year's picks would be a good start.
I know next year's draft is loaded with talent and Wiggins would be a perfect superstar who'd actually want to be in Toronto. But lets not act like Lowry is winning us a lot of games and is the sole factor between Wiggins or Playoffs.

Even with two first rounds in next year's draft, we need more talent going forward. And Lowry can be part of that building block. Unless we draft a PG next year, who's another veteran PG as good as Lowry and would like to be in Toronto without us having to overpay?

If we can get a good deal out of Lowry, I'm all for it. But we still have to see what we are able to fetch. Lowry's presence might get us a few more wins which leads to a 0.5% more chance of landing the first overall pick.

What if we trade all of our expiring contracts and not get a top 3 pick? we get a "good" player from the draft who'll take a few years to develop and might turn into a derozan/lowry, and then a lot of money that will not attract any good free agents due to our losing culture unless we over pay and turns into a Rudy Gay situation where we are tied up with an overpaid under-performing player for 5 years.

diu9leilomo
12-13-2013, 03:49 AM
I think when chandler is back, all the knicks need is a PG then they'll get back to the contender talk. Lowry is perfect for them.

Sly Guy
12-13-2013, 08:29 AM
Let's try to have a mature debate.
I never said we should build around Derozan. I said he along with Lowry, JV, and next year's picks would be a good start.
I know next year's draft is loaded with talent and Wiggins would be a perfect superstar who'd actually want to be in Toronto. But lets not act like Lowry is winning us a lot of games and is the sole factor between Wiggins or Playoffs.

Even with two first rounds in next year's draft, we need more talent going forward. And Lowry can be part of that building block. Unless we draft a PG next year, who's another veteran PG as good as Lowry and would like to be in Toronto without us having to overpay?

If we can get a good deal out of Lowry, I'm all for it. But we still have to see what we are able to fetch. Lowry's presence might get us a few more wins which leads to a 0.5% more chance of landing the first overall pick.

What if we trade all of our expiring contracts and not get a top 3 pick? we get a "good" player from the draft who'll take a few years to develop and might turn into a derozan/lowry, and then a lot of money that will not attract any good free agents due to our losing culture unless we over pay and turns into a Rudy Gay situation where we are tied up with an overpaid under-performing player for 5 years.

it's cuz lowry wants out, he rubbed a bunch of people the wrong way with his attitude last year [although admittedly, he's gotten a lot better in that regard this year] and having him here hurts our chances at a top pick. Trading him makes perfect sense. Plus, he's expiring, meaning he's playing for a contract no matter where he goes, he's cheap, and puts up good numbers. He's got great value, it's not like trading an all-star, but he should net a decent return.

koreancabbage
12-13-2013, 12:14 PM
So it was gonna be Felton, MWP, and either Shumpert/THJ/2018 first rounder apparently. Dolan said no lol.

melo
12-13-2013, 12:24 PM
the fact that this team has a 1st rounder every other year EVERYTIME makes me sick

trying to trade another 1st to toronto. nothings more exciting than seeing a stud rookie on your team. hate this organization so much

Eagles4Lyfe
12-13-2013, 12:25 PM
damn lol the guy actually blocked the deal haha.

Bob_at_york
12-13-2013, 12:29 PM
damn lol the guy actually blocked the deal haha.

I don't understand why people are laughing about Dolan blocking the deal. He has the right to do that.

FlakeyFool
12-13-2013, 12:43 PM
I don't understand why people are laughing about Dolan blocking the deal. He has the right to do that.

Why have a gm then?

Bob_at_york
12-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Why have a gm then?

Owners block deals all the time. Dolan has been a hands-on owner for years.

KniCks4LiFe
12-13-2013, 01:05 PM
So it was gonna be Felton, MWP, and either Shumpert/THJ/2018 first rounder apparently. Dolan said no lol.

it makes me LOL too. Knowing this is how Carmelo became a Knicks player. So now Dolan is thinking. No FUTURE! FUTURE! FUTURE! Felton is out 2-3 weeks, that's into January and he's not even that good healthy. Woodson doesn't play Shump, in fact Shump hates him secretly. Then Tim Jr. can't get any burn over JR Smith who is recovering from knee meniscus surgery. For those who don't know what it does, just look at Jeremy Lin last season.

So here I am wondering. Does this team really think TOR is giving up Kyle Lowry who is averaging 14 and 6 and has a 17.45 in PER this season. Do they really think Metta and Ray Ray + a pick that they can't benefit from until 2018 is going to get it done? Why even talk to TOR that was my question. B/c now they are stuck in a hard place cuz if you Melo, you not thinking future wit Tim Jr or Shump, you thinking what are you gonna put around me that can actually produce yearly. So now they caught between a rock and a hard place b/c you don't land Lowry, Melo feels helpless, you do and you pretty much mortgage what little future is left.

This is the type of move that makes sense for Chicago or Brooklyn or Miami. I don't get this, why we entered this discussion knowing we know what Massiah is about.

Rockice_8
12-13-2013, 01:05 PM
Lowery would help them for sure but you have to give something to get something.

They have three assets right now that people seem interested in THJ, Shump and their 2018 1st. Not sure which one I value the least out of them but at least one has to go if you want a good player in Lowery. I hope it just falls through. Let the Knicks keep that bum Felton at PG for the next 2 years.

Send him to GS.

Eagles4Lyfe
12-13-2013, 01:12 PM
I don't get why Bulls or Pacers aren't in on Lowry.
We can give them one of our bigs to in the package. Makes to much sense for them not to do it especially the Pacers

KniCks4LiFe
12-13-2013, 01:13 PM
I don't get why Bulls or Pacers aren't in on Lowry.
We can give them one of our bigs to in the package. Makes to much sense for them not to do it especially the Pacers

oh god I forgot Indy! And they got Granger, but that ain't what Massiah wants. Unless they take Landry Fields.

torocan
12-13-2013, 01:38 PM
Owners block deals all the time. Dolan has been a hands-on owner for years.

Dolan was the one who pushed the Melo trade. Donnie Wlash wanted to wait as he felt he could get a much better deal for Melo in trade or sign him outright in Free Agency. Instead the Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofey Mozgov and New York's 2014 first-round pick to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman and Anthony Carter. The Timberwolves agreed to take Eddy Curry's expiring contract along with Anthony Randolph from the Knicks and send Corey Brewer to New York. The Wolves also got $3 million from the Knicks.

Dolan was also the one who pushed the Bargnani trade. Glen Grunwald wanted to wait and see if he could have pried an unhappy Lemarcus Aldridge from the Trailblazers, but Dolan demanded the trade for Bargnani from Toronto for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, Quentin Richardson (via a sign-and-trade), a first-round pick in 2016 AND second-round picks in 2014 and 2017.

Dolan also put the kibosh on the Lin re-signing. An expensive contract in luxury tax terms but led to Lin walking for NOTHING, and led directly to the trading of guard Raymond Felton and forward Kurt Thomas from the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for forward Jared Jeffries, center Dan Gadzuric, a 2016 second-round pick, the rights to Georgios Printezis and Kostas Papanikolaou, plus cash considerations.

Felton's acquisition is now looking to lead the Knicks to look at trading Felton + Metta + either Shump, THJr or the 2018 1st round pick in exchange for Kyle Lowry. Which of course isn't done yet, as Masai Ujiri wants Felton + either Shump + THJr, or Shump + 2018 1st rounder, or THJr + 2018 1st rounder. All this would be a pretty good haul considering the Raptors acquired Lowry for Gary Forbes and a 1st rounder (which admittedly Houston used to get James Harden).

And now Dolan faces the position where he either improves the team through desperation trades in an attempt to get Melo to re-sign, or he faces the real possibility of Melo walking in Free Agency as Dolan has made clear that he will NOT trade Melo even if Melo is considering leaving. With Felton now out 2-3 weeks, and Woodson admitting in an interview today that JR Smith may *never* reach 100% this season due to surgery, Dolan is becoming increasingly desperate.

Marc Berman of the NY Post has speculated that at this point, everybody on the Knicks Roster outside of Melo is now potentially on the trading block.

Yup, Dolan is hands on. Personally I'd rather Dolan was a little more hands off...

waveycrockett
12-13-2013, 01:41 PM
Lowry would be great on the Knicks. I think Knicks should pull the trigger. Felton really blows and Prigioni shouldn't be playing more than 20+ minutes at his age.

bucketss
12-13-2013, 02:25 PM
He's a free agent, you're not getting a 1st

so close ;) lucky dolan stepped in. :)

xxplayerxx23
12-13-2013, 02:37 PM
Get rid of Felton improve the team without giving up shump hardaway Tyson hmmm 2018 pick hmmmm id do it easy

Cal827
12-13-2013, 02:43 PM
Hmm, how about Felton, Shumpert and the 2018 first for Lowry and the trade exception from the Rudy Gay Trade (to cover Felton's contract)?

This does a few things for the Knicks

-Gives them a bonafide starting PG
-Makes space for Tim Hardaway Jr to get some playing time behind JR Smith.
- Gives the Knicks the ability to acquire another player that is decently priced (3.64 mill approx) and can help an area of need. (Maybe a Center like Kaman, or a back-up Guard like Gary Neal)

Lowry-Prigoni (Neal?)
JR Smith- Hardaway Jr.
Carmelo-Metta World Peace
Bargnani-Stoudemire
Chandler-(Kaman)?

I wouldn't mind if we have to take MWP's contract too, cause I'm pretty sure we will be able to ship him elsewhere before the deadline (and if not, he isn't too painful on our cap, since we are rebuilding), but I would definitely expect the no-barred first rounder then lol

xxplayerxx23
12-13-2013, 03:15 PM
Hmm, how about Felton, Shumpert and the 2018 first for Lowry and the trade exception from the Rudy Gay Trade (to cover Felton's contract)?

This does a few things for the Knicks

-Gives them a bonafide starting PG
-Makes space for Tim Hardaway Jr to get some playing time behind JR Smith.
- Gives the Knicks the ability to acquire another player that is decently priced (3.64 mill approx) and can help an area of need. (Maybe a Center like Kaman, or a back-up Guard like Gary Neal)

Lowry-Prigoni (Neal?)
JR Smith- Hardaway Jr.
Carmelo-Metta World Peace
Bargnani-Stoudemire
Chandler-(Kaman)?

I wouldn't mind if we have to take MWP's contract too, cause I'm pretty sure we will be able to ship him elsewhere before the deadline (and if not, he isn't too painful on our cap, since we are rebuilding), but I would definitely expect the no-barred first rounder then lol


No chance we don't wanna give up a first no chance you get shump and the pick

P&GRealist
12-13-2013, 03:19 PM
Honestly, I think Shumpert is overrated as ****. Raptors should ask for Tim Hardaway's son and a 1st round pick. Get rid of Lowry and just move on.

Cal827
12-13-2013, 03:30 PM
No chance we don't wanna give up a first no chance you get shump and the pick

Lol, I guess we will see.

I'm just Glad this isn't BC. Cause at this point, we probably would be the one who would be sending JV, Ross, Derozan, 2 1sts and Real Sports Bar for MWP, and James Dolan's hair :facepalm:

Bob_at_york
12-13-2013, 03:35 PM
Honestly, I think Shumpert is overrated as ****. Raptors should ask for Tim Hardaway's son and a 1st round pick. Get rid of Lowry and just move on.
Why would the Knicks give up both Hardaway and a 1st? :confused:

Lol, I guess we will see.

I'm just Glad this isn't BC. Cause at this point, we probably would be the one who would be sending JV, Ross, Derozan, 2 1sts and Real Sports Bar for MWP, and James Dolan's hair :facepalm:
What makes you think BC would accept a deal like that? I think he would stick with Ross, JV and DD forever if he could. He loves hanging on to his draft choices.

waveycrockett
12-13-2013, 03:41 PM
If I'm the Knicks I would take my Chance on Lowry and extending him this offseason rather than Hardaway long term. They are built for now and PG is a huge weakness. Plus I'm sure Melo cares more about finding a good starting PG than a rookie backup SG.

sunsfan88
12-13-2013, 03:42 PM
I don't understand why people are laughing about Dolan blocking the deal. He has the right to do that.

It's because the reasoning for him blocking was apparently "He didn't wanna get fleeced again by Ujiri".

:laugh:

xxplayerxx23
12-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Lol, I guess we will see.

I'm just Glad this isn't BC. Cause at this point, we probably would be the one who would be sending JV, Ross, Derozan, 2 1sts and Real Sports Bar for MWP, and James Dolan's hair :facepalm:


Get him back now :drool: