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FriedTofuz
12-08-2013, 09:05 PM
Kyle lowry has been playing better ball as of late, averaging 14pts/7 ast with a good 3pt % and could def be a great asset to a team, contending. He has a cheap contract that expires at the end of the year of about 6mil.

I think a mid to 20s pick is fair. would any teams do this?

tredigs
12-08-2013, 09:23 PM
Fair price, but I don't see a potential contender that would need him.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-08-2013, 09:24 PM
Lowry for Bulls draft pick.

alexander_37
12-08-2013, 09:27 PM
For a Rockets 1st? Yes.

Heediot
12-08-2013, 09:28 PM
PG position is too deep. Some team needs a season ending injury to their starter for interest.

Bulls are an option, but how much of an upgrade is he to Hinrich for them to give up a first.

FraziersKnicks
12-08-2013, 09:36 PM
He would fit in nicely on the Heat but a 1st from them isn't very valuable.

BHF
12-08-2013, 09:37 PM
Lowry would be a huge upgrade over Hinrich.

bucketss
12-08-2013, 09:40 PM
what about the rockets?, idk much about the their pg situation tho, they have lin who is injured and that dude who injured westbrook -

Raps18-19 Champ
12-08-2013, 09:45 PM
Why would the Rockets take back Lowry when it was clear they had issues (and that is why he was traded).

FriedTofuz
12-08-2013, 09:51 PM
He would fit in nicely on the Heat but a 1st from them isn't very valuable. Two firsts would be nice then since they're late picks going to be top 25-30 :D

FriedTofuz
12-08-2013, 09:51 PM
Lowry would be IDEAL in a knicks uniform but.. THe knicks have no picks. sorry fellas

RipCity32
12-08-2013, 10:21 PM
The Nets will probably give you their 2027 1st rounder if they still have it.

sep11ie
12-08-2013, 10:35 PM
He was one of my favorites. So fun to watch, would have fit perfectly next to Harden and Howard.

Jamiecballer
12-08-2013, 10:35 PM
Lowry would be a huge upgrade over Hinrich.

no, he would not. Hinrich is a perfect guard for how the Bulls play. tough and smart.

SluggeR
12-08-2013, 10:39 PM
Why would anybody give up a 1st rd pick of any significance for a hot n cold pg that can walk at seasons end?

Riodagoat
12-08-2013, 10:40 PM
The Nets will probably give you their 2027 1st rounder if they still have it.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Max.This
12-08-2013, 10:43 PM
Lowry is a free agent after this season. Why would any team throw a draft pick for a player that will walk after this year. What elite team missing a point guard needs to rent a point guard ? Toronto will most likely let lowry walk

BrandoCommando
12-08-2013, 11:11 PM
**** no.

*Superman*
12-08-2013, 11:25 PM
The Nets will probably give you their 2027 1st rounder if they still have it.

2019 is the next available...lol


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c.c.
12-08-2013, 11:28 PM
He is way better than you guys think he is. I liked him on the Rockets but it rumored that him and Mchale had issues. If it wasn't for that he would of still been on the Rockets right now.

TheNumber37
12-08-2013, 11:33 PM
Mid to late 20s pick. Yeah.

TheNumber37
12-08-2013, 11:33 PM
OKC should try to grab him

KingPosey
12-08-2013, 11:41 PM
Did my kings just give up everything for RUDY ****ING GAY?!

I hate my
Team

KingPosey
12-08-2013, 11:44 PM
I only care about Vasquez but ****

stlbest5in2013
12-08-2013, 11:49 PM
Lowry for Bulls draft pick.



Gross

Bang Bros89
12-09-2013, 12:05 AM
I don't see why the Knicks didn't pursue Lowry in the Bargnani deal, we gave them our last tradable first anyways.

koreancabbage
12-09-2013, 12:08 AM
I don't see why the Knicks didn't pursue Lowry in the Bargnani deal, we gave them our last tradable first anyways.

thats the best part of the deal. We got the Knicks to give up a first lol. and the Raps wanted to get rid of Bargs.... thats not how it is supposed for a team that wants to get rid of a player. Knicks were desperate.

Bishnoff
12-09-2013, 12:50 AM
Suns don't need another PG, even though we may have up to four 1sts in the 2014 Draft.

BKLYNpigeon
12-09-2013, 12:51 AM
Lowery doesnt do anything flashy to make highlight reels, but he is a SOLID PG. worthy of a mid 1st round pick.

BHF
12-09-2013, 12:55 AM
Gross

For the raptors yes its gross most of the raps fans would be mad if we only got the Bulls pick for Lowry.

koreancabbage
12-09-2013, 12:57 AM
For the raptors yes its gross most of the raps fans would be mad if we only got the Bulls pick for Lowry.

na. we would be happy with a first. 2014 specifically though.

koreancabbage
12-09-2013, 12:59 AM
Lowery doesnt do anything flashy to make highlight reels, but he is a SOLID PG. worthy of a mid 1st round pick.

once he's healthy and he has no beef with the coach, he's a top 10 pg in this league. like this stretch of games - he's healthy, coach is letting him play and Lowry is putting up big time stats.

Bishnoff
12-09-2013, 01:22 AM
once he's healthy and he has no beef with the coach, he's a top 10 pg in this league. like this stretch of games - he's healthy, coach is letting him play and Lowry is putting up big time stats.

I'm pretty sure that with all the great PGs in the league, Lowry isn't sniffing top 10. I'd have all of the following ahead of Lowry (in no particular order):

Paul
Rose
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rondo
D-Will
Kyrie
Lillard
Wall
Lawson
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe
Jeff Teague

So there's 15 guys off the top of my head. Then you can make a case for guys like Conley, Jrue, Kemba, and maybe even Carter-Williams.

KniCks4LiFe
12-09-2013, 01:23 AM
if you have a pick and an expiring, TOR will give him away.

BHF
12-09-2013, 01:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that with all the great PGs in the league, Lowry isn't sniffing top 10. I'd have all of the following ahead of Lowry:

Paul
Rose
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rondo
D-Will
Kyrie
Lillard
Wall
Lawson
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe
Jeff Teague

So there's 15 guys off the top of my head. Then you can make a case for guys like Conley, Jrue, Kemba, and maybe even Carter-Williams.

This is not 2011 anymore. And why include DWill Rose and Rondo?

koreancabbage
12-09-2013, 01:36 AM
I'm pretty sure that with all the great PGs in the league, Lowry isn't sniffing top 10. I'd have all of the following ahead of Lowry (in no particular order):

Paul
Rose
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rondo
D-Will
Kyrie
Lillard
Wall
Lawson
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe
Jeff Teague

So there's 15 guys off the top of my head. Then you can make a case for guys like Conley, Jrue, Kemba, and maybe even Carter-Williams.

top PGs right now in no order: Paul, Parker, Westbrook, Lawson, Curry - everyone else is shaky.

every other PG has fallen off (Rose, Rondo, D-Will, Kyrie)

or/and have flaws in their game that would allow Lowry to be considered strongly as any of the case for Lilliard, Wall, Rubio, Teague, Jrue, Kemba, MCW.

Bishnoff
12-09-2013, 01:48 AM
This is not 2011 anymore. And why include DWill Rose and Rondo?

Why not? I accept that arguments can be made against D-Will but there's no reason why Rose and Rondo won't return from injury better than Lowry.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-09-2013, 01:54 AM
Gross

If the Bulls are looking for a more impactful player, they might bite on him.

I still see him going to the Knicks for Shumpert or Bulls for the pick. Both teams could use a PG to help with their playoff push.

Bishnoff
12-09-2013, 01:54 AM
top PGs right now in no order: Paul, Parker, Westbrook, Lawson, Curry - everyone else is shaky.

every other PG has fallen off (Rose, Rondo, D-Will, Kyrie)

or/and have flaws in their game that would allow Lowry to be considered strongly as any of the case for Lilliard, Wall, Rubio, Teague, Jrue, Kemba, MCW.

So a career FG% of 0.416 isn't a flaw? You didn't even mention Bledsoe or Dragic, who're both having better seasons than Lowry whilst having to share the role of PG.

Kyrie's FG% is terrible this year but he's still putting up 5 PPG more than Lowry and almost the same APG. The other guys are injured.

I'm not hating on Lowry, I just wouldn't call him a top 10 PG.

ThaDubs
12-09-2013, 01:55 AM
I'm pretty sure that with all the great PGs in the league, Lowry isn't sniffing top 10. I'd have all of the following ahead of Lowry (in no particular order):

Paul
Rose
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Rondo
D-Will
Kyrie
Lillard
Wall
Lawson
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe
Jeff Teague

So there's 15 guys off the top of my head. Then you can make a case for guys like Conley, Jrue, Kemba, and maybe even Carter-Williams.

Definitely MCW. 1st in the league in overall SPG and point guard RBG.

mightybosstone
12-09-2013, 02:03 AM
To the Rockets fans who said they wanted Lowry back, I think you're totally forgetting the reason he left in the first place. He and McHale just did not get along, he was a total drama queen and McHale was always going to win that battle. I loved the guy at his peak in Houston, too, but he never got any better than that, and his drama off the court wasn't worth the headache.

Also, I'm not sure he would necessarily be a better fit than the PG group they have now. Lin provides scoring and playmaking, Beverley offers defense and 3-point shooting and Brooks offers speed and explosiveness. Lowry provides a little of all of that, but I don't think he's head and shoulders better than Lin, and I don't think he's a better fit next to Harden than Beverley.

Is he worth a late 1st round pick to a contender? Most definitely, and there are a lot of teams that could use him. But Houston isn't one of them, and I'd be stunned if he ends up in a Rockets jersey anytime soon.

dalton749
12-09-2013, 02:09 AM
with rudy gone hes gunna boost his value big time
i forgot he was good and that casey was holding him back lol

mightybosstone
12-09-2013, 02:12 AM
once he's healthy and he has no beef with the coach, he's a top 10 pg in this league. like this stretch of games - he's healthy, coach is letting him play and Lowry is putting up big time stats.

Lowry is not a top 10 PG. Without thinking, I could think of 10 better point guards....
1. Chris Paul
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Tony Parker
4. Stephen Curry
5. Mike Conley
6. Ty Lawson
7. Damian Lillard
8. John Wall
9. Jeff Teague
10. Jrue Holiday

And that list doesn't include the injured guys like Rose, Williams or Rondo, who I'd rather have when healthy. I'd also take Dragic, MCW and maybe 1-2 more guys over him.

Note that this is coming from a guy who loved Lowry to death when he was in Houston and kept waiting for him to ascent to stardom. It never happened. This is the player he is and will always be: a bulldog of a point guard who defends, can score like crazy in spurts and is a competent distributor, but whose ego is a problem with coaches and gets in the way of his development.

If he's your third or fourth best guy, you're in good shape. If he's your No. 1 or No. 2, you're screwed.

SportsFanatic10
12-09-2013, 02:22 AM
i certainly would if i'm a good team bound to get a pick outside of the lottery and needed to upgrade the pg spot. i like his game, very solid player.

BHF
12-09-2013, 02:22 AM
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are not better than Lowry and D-Will is done.

FraziersKnicks
12-09-2013, 08:59 AM
2019 is the next available...lol

2020 actually. You can't have consecutive years without a a 1st round draft pick :laugh2:

tr3ymill3r
12-09-2013, 09:41 AM
The Raptors thought it was a good idea to give up a 1st for him, so why not?

rhymeratic
12-09-2013, 10:11 AM
Lowry is just a glorified Raymond Felton... essentially an average PG with spurts of great play during the season. Nice to have, not worth trading a 1st round pick for but worth signing in offseason.

mightybosstone
12-09-2013, 10:12 AM
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are not better than Lowry and D-Will is done.

lol.... I love it when people make blanket statements like this without looking at the numbers. First off, D-Will came on at the end of the season last year to have one of the best years of his career and has barely played at all this year. Let's give him a decent sample size before we call him "done."

Secondly, you can easily make a case for Teague and Holiday being better than Lowry. As a scorer, Lowry is undeniably more efficient, boasting a superior TS% and WS/48. But both guys also boast a higher scoring average and USG%, having greater scoring loads playing for better basketball teams. They're also superior distributors, each with a superior AST%. And all three have nearly an identical PER. Defensively, Holiday is clearly the best of the three and Lowry is probably second, but Teague isn't further behind. Also, as previously stated, Teague and Holiday are starting point guards for superior basketball teams right now. They also don't regularly have dick measuring contests with their coaches, a common occurrence for Lowry.

Bottom line, you could make a case for Lowry over these guys or vice versa. But based on what I've seen from him in his time with Houston, I'd rather have Teague or Holiday, who are both also significantly younger than Lowry.

netsgiantsyanks
12-09-2013, 11:01 AM
2019 is the next available...lol

in 2015 they get the hawkss pick and in 2017 if the celtics don't get a 2nd round pick that's 31-45 then the nets keep their pick

still a terrible deal(s) though

KniCks4LiFe
12-09-2013, 11:30 AM
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are not better than Lowry and D-Will is done.

you sure about that?

2-ONE-5
12-09-2013, 11:45 AM
Lowry is just a glorified Raymond Felton... essentially an average PG with spurts of great play during the season. Nice to have, not worth trading a 1st round pick for but worth signing in offseason.

Lowry>>>Felton

Heediot
12-09-2013, 11:47 AM
Off topic but I think D Will got lazy after his last contract. Dude doesn't stay in shape and hopes to play his way into form as the season progresses.

mjt20mik
12-09-2013, 12:54 PM
Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are not better than Lowry and D-Will is done.

Teague is better. Holiday has been up and down, but still I would say he is better than Lowry.

Chronz
12-09-2013, 01:14 PM
no, he would not. Hinrich is a perfect guard for how the Bulls play. tough and smart.

Dont forget the slow and cant score part

Johann
12-09-2013, 01:14 PM
Lowry is definitely worth a first rounder. He's in shape and has been playing great this year.

waveycrockett
12-09-2013, 01:18 PM
yes he's a good player in the right system

shep33
12-09-2013, 01:36 PM
I doubt anyone gives up a 1st rounder for him.

Hellcrooner
12-09-2013, 01:48 PM
pick 20 or lower?

yes.

Higher? no.

ChickenSouvlaki
12-09-2013, 01:48 PM
Lowry is just a glorified Raymond Felton... essentially an average PG with spurts of great play during the season. Nice to have, not worth trading a 1st round pick for but worth signing in offseason.

Lowry is more valuable than Felton. His defence and competitiveness are a huge asset.

MassoDio
12-09-2013, 02:24 PM
In this year's draft...no.

I really like Lowry. I liked him coming out of Villanova more that I liked Foye.

I think he is a good pg, but he is not worth a 1st rounder in this draft. Maybe a high second rounder.

As for those saying that the Bulls would do it to help with their playoff push....If the Bulls FO does that, they need to be fired. There is no chance they are beating the Heat or the Pacers, even with Lowry, and they will likely get just as far without Lowry as they would with him. Then, he is a free agent at the end of the year, and they would not resign him because he will want more than he is worth, and would not want to come off the bench behind Rose. So they will be giving up a 1st rounder in a deep draft for a half a year rental for a player that would not get them any further in the playoffs, and that they would not keep after the season. Instead of drafting (Which is the only real strength that the Bulls FO has demonstrated) a young player with potential, that will have a much cheaper contract, and could figure into future plans.

Again, if the Bulls FO were to do that, they should be fired.

*Superman*
12-09-2013, 02:43 PM
in 2015 they get the hawkss pick and in 2017 if the celtics don't get a 2nd round pick that's 31-45 then the nets keep their pick

still a terrible deal(s) though

Oh alright, yeah I just copied and pasted, just saw what looked to be 2019 as the one that wasn't traded.

Max.This
12-09-2013, 03:06 PM
Lowry is more valuable than Felton. His defence and competitiveness are a huge asset.

Competitiveness is a good thing

Ebbs
12-09-2013, 03:10 PM
If the Raptors could get any first for Lowry that's a win

amak316
12-09-2013, 03:47 PM
Lowry is just a glorified Raymond Felton... essentially an average PG with spurts of great play during the season. Nice to have, not worth trading a 1st round pick for but worth signing in offseason.

Lol cmon. Felton barely belongs in the nba and Lowry is easily a top 15 pg with top 8 upside. Felton feels its a productive offseason if he only supersizes every other Big Mac at McDs.

FriedTofuz
12-09-2013, 04:36 PM
In this year's draft...no.

I really like Lowry. I liked him coming out of Villanova more that I liked Foye.

I think he is a good pg, but he is not worth a 1st rounder in this draft. Maybe a high second rounder.

As for those saying that the Bulls would do it to help with their playoff push....If the Bulls FO does that, they need to be fired. There is no chance they are beating the Heat or the Pacers, even with Lowry, and they will likely get just as far without Lowry as they would with him. Then, he is a free agent at the end of the year, and they would not resign him because he will want more than he is worth, and would not want to come off the bench behind Rose. So they will be giving up a 1st rounder in a deep draft for a half a year rental for a player that would not get them any further in the playoffs, and that they would not keep after the season. Instead of drafting (Which is the only real strength that the Bulls FO has demonstrated) a young player with potential, that will have a much cheaper contract, and could figure into future plans.

Again, if the Bulls FO were to do that, they should be fired.

okay, that's just silly to say. what are the chances of getting a 2nd round pick player to average 15pts/7ast and be as good a lowry. He's defintely worth a first round pick. Who's to say one will even be able to get those kinds of numbers out of someone picked 15-30? Lowry was traded for a late lottery pick, he definitely is worth that again, his numbers are even better than before.

Also, Lowry would be a rental until Rose come back, I dont have the article, but DROSE wants to return for the playoffs, that's waht he said, so the bulls could very much put up a run with indiana and Miami.

I think the bulls could benefit from trading Charolettes first rounder for lowry.

RipCity32
12-09-2013, 04:47 PM
Who really needs a PG right now bad enough that they would give 1st for him. Bulls or Pacers come to mind but I don't think the Bulls would be willing to give a 1st for one.

MassoDio
12-09-2013, 06:08 PM
okay, that's just silly to say. what are the chances of getting a 2nd round pick player to average 15pts/7ast and be as good a lowry. He's defintely worth a first round pick. Who's to say one will even be able to get those kinds of numbers out of someone picked 15-30? Lowry was traded for a late lottery pick, he definitely is worth that again, his numbers are even better than before.

Also, Lowry would be a rental until Rose come back, I dont have the article, but DROSE wants to return for the playoffs, that's waht he said, so the bulls could very much put up a run with indiana and Miami.

I think the bulls could benefit from trading Charolettes first rounder for lowry.

No...it's not silly to say. Not at all. The Bulls are not going to beat Miami or the Pacers with Lowry. Period. They would struggle with Rose. So having Lowry is not going to put them over the top. If Rose comes back in the playoffs, he most likely isn't going to be a big help after being out for almost two years. (two years minus 9 games.) He is going to need time to adjust to NBA game speed and intensity...NBA PLAYOFF game speed and intensity is a whole other monster. I don't think Rose will factor in in these playoffs. And Lowry just isn't a difference maker. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

You don't give up a first round pick in a stacked draft for a rental when that rental is not going to make you significantly better. It would be stupid for the Bulls to do that in their situation.

And you are right, there are no guarantees that any pick at any point of the draft is going to get you 15/7. But that is not the point. The point in trading a first round draft pick, fora rental, would be to get a guy that can make a difference now. (Since you know, if you draft a guy, you get him cheaper than what Lowry is making, and for longer than a half a year.)

You either keep the draft pick, trade it for a guy that could be in your future plans, or you get a rental that you think can put you over the top this year. Lowry is none of those things for the Bulls. So again, it isn't silly.

TrueFan420
12-09-2013, 06:28 PM
Fair price, but I don't see a potential contender that would need him.

You telling me you wouldn't love to have him back up curry? I'd give up a late first for him if we could match up the contracts and not lose anyone of consequence.

North Yorker
12-09-2013, 07:48 PM
You telling me you wouldn't love to have him back up curry? I'd give up a late first for him if we could match up the contracts and not lose anyone of consequence.

You guys still have the TPE from the Jefferson trade correct?

TPE+ a 1st would do it, although it would put you over the tax I think.

Douglas+ Speights+ a 1st would get it done as well.

ziglur
12-09-2013, 07:58 PM
Fair price, but I don't see a potential contender that would need him.

The Pacers dont have anything that resembles a point guard

FriedTofuz
12-09-2013, 08:03 PM
warriors willing to give up a first + a filler expiring for lowry? Ill take it!

flea
12-09-2013, 08:07 PM
The Pacers dont have anything that resembles a point guard

They don't need or want a ball-dominant PG.

Hawkeye15
12-09-2013, 08:10 PM
if its a bottom 10 pick, sure.

WES KOAST
12-10-2013, 02:13 AM
I don't think any team would, 1st rounders are at a premium in this upcoming draft

LeperMessiah
12-10-2013, 02:31 AM
2019 is the next available...lol

They better win at LEAST one ring.

RollingWave
12-10-2013, 04:18 AM
The difference between a late first and early 2nd is very very limited, but teams likely to pick in the 25-30 range probably don't need Lowry much either.

sunsfan88
12-10-2013, 04:18 AM
The Bucks? Lotto protected 1st?

John Walls Era
12-10-2013, 06:04 AM
His defense is so overrated.

xabial
12-10-2013, 06:43 AM
His defense is so overrated.

We'll give you Raymond felton who is signed for two more years cheaply at $3m per.

or

Iman Shumpert(whose signed for this year and next, then becomes a restricted FA) for Lowry and give us back 2016 1st Lol.

bleedprple&gold
12-10-2013, 11:48 AM
The difference between a late first and early 2nd is very very limited, but teams likely to pick in the 25-30 range probably don't need Lowry much either.

Some teams actually prefer early 2nd rounders because they aren't tied to the first round rookie scale contract so you can pay them less (or not at all).

BHF
12-10-2013, 12:01 PM
We'll give you Raymond felton who is signed for two more years cheaply at $3m per.

or

Iman Shumpert(whose signed for this year and next, then becomes a restricted FA) for Lowry and give us back 2016 1st Lol.

I wouldn't take these guys for free let alone give you Lowry for them lol

RLundi
12-10-2013, 01:46 PM
I wouldn't take these guys for free let alone give you Lowry for them lol

Lol

xxplayerxx23
12-10-2013, 02:15 PM
I wouldn't take these guys for free let alone give you Lowry for them lol

Lol at you thinking Lowry is worth anything. I wouldn't give you iman for Lowry but you could have Felton ;) oh and I'm feeling nice take chris smith as well

torocan
12-10-2013, 02:27 PM
I could see a team trading a heavily protected (like top 20 or 25 protected) first for Lowry under the right circumstances. More likely is a 2nd round pick.

The Bulls for example could use a player like Lowry if they decide against tanking.

As for a lottery pick? No way.

BHF
12-10-2013, 02:38 PM
Lol at you thinking Lowry is worth anything. I wouldn't give you iman for Lowry but you could have Felton ;) oh and I'm feeling nice take chris smith as well

LOL at you thinking he is not worth anything :facepalm: Knicks fans first Rondo now Lowry who is next? You guys are not getting a good player in return for Felton or Shump who is not the same player he was last year. Not sure if you know who our gm is and what he did to the Knicks you probably don't want to trade with us anytime soon.

BHF
12-10-2013, 02:42 PM
I could see a team trading a heavily protected (like top 20 or 25 protected) first for Lowry under the right circumstances. More likely is a 2nd round pick.

The Bulls for example could use a player like Lowry if they decide against tanking.

As for a lottery pick? No way.

Lottery pick no we know that, but Lowry is a starting calibre pg who plays on both ends he is worth much more than a late first round or a second round pick. If we cant get something decent for him we might as well keep him. Would be nice if we get something nice in return for him but i don't think we are in a rush to trade him.

torocan
12-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Lottery pick no we know that, but Lowry is a starting calibre pg who plays on both ends he is worth much more than a late first round or a second round pick. If we cant get something decent for him we might as well keep him. Would be nice if we get something nice in return for him but i don't think we are in a rush to trade him.

Well, obviously you still need to match salaries, so you still need players in the deal. The devil is in the details of course.

The question is whether you get a pick in addition to those players. And since we're ruling out Lottery picks, then you're talking heavily protected first or a 2nd, unless you're arguing that he's worth more than one pick? I don't see that happening.

Lowry is a $6.2M expiring contract, with no guarantees that he'll re-sign, and if he DOES re-sign, his salary could easily go up to $8M+.

So, without the security of a longer contract or guaranteed re-signing, and an increase in salary if he does re-sign, he doesn't hold quite as much trade value as you would think. Especially since there's teams that could simply sign him during Free Agency.

futureman
12-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Not this years pick that's for sure.

colinskik
12-10-2013, 04:20 PM
I'm very interested to see what type of haul Masai gets for him. He can't possibly spin gold out of straw again, can he?

Cal827
12-10-2013, 05:21 PM
Don't really want anything from the Knicks that isn't xxplayerxx23

Golden State seems decent, but do they even have their first this year? Thought they sent it to Utah in the Salary Dump deal

Indiana or Miami seems like the best options.

Lowry and maybe part of the trade exception to Miami for Cole, Joel Anthony and a 1st seems Plausible and would give Miami very good defense at the point, as well as the ability to take on another contract via exception.

Lowry and Fields for Granger and a first. This gives Indiana some depth, and they aren't fully sure if Granger is going to ever return to what he was. Since the Raptors are likely tanking, they probably wouldn't over exert him in his return from injury (not taking a million shots per game)

Lowry-Hill
Stephenson-
George-Fields
West-Scola
Hibbert-Mahinmi

Maybe add Novak and shift Fields over to back-up SG.

Unfortunately, I think that the fact that it's an expiring actually doesn't help the Raptors with Chicago. They probably want a good point guard who can either be 6th man, or play starter, while they SLOWLY bring back Rose. and I'm sure they would prefer to get a guy with a couple years on the contract. If we can pull a trade, I would assume that we would receive the worse of theirs or the Bobcats pick this year.

torocan
12-10-2013, 05:33 PM
Don't really want anything from the Knicks that isn't xxplayerxx23

Golden State seems decent, but do they even have their first this year? Thought they sent it to Utah in the Salary Dump deal

Indiana or Miami seems like the best options.

Lowry and maybe part of the trade exception to Miami for Cole, Joel Anthony and a 1st seems Plausible and would give Miami very good defense at the point, as well as the ability to take on another contract via exception.

Lowry and Fields for Granger and a first. This gives Indiana some depth, and they aren't fully sure if Granger is going to ever return to what he was. Since the Raptors are likely tanking, they probably wouldn't over exert him in his return from injury (not taking a million shots per game)

Lowry-Hill
Stephenson-
George-Fields
West-Scola
Hibbert-Mahinmi

Maybe add Novak and shift Fields over to back-up SG.

Unfortunately, I think that the fact that it's an expiring actually doesn't help the Raptors with Chicago. They probably want a good point guard who can either be 6th man, or play starter, while they SLOWLY bring back Rose. and I'm sure they would prefer to get a guy with a couple years on the contract. If we can pull a trade, I would assume that we would receive the worse of theirs or the Bobcats pick this year.

Yah, I have a hard time seeing Indiana take Lowry AND Fields AND giving up a pick. Just taking on Fields' contract is a lot to ask. And while Granger is injured, his value is probably pretty good especially since he's a $14M expiring contract. If you're Indiana, you're going to look for something that either helps win this year, or give them options down the road.

And I can see more than a few teams that might be interested, even tanking teams if they sit him out to recover.

I could see Indiana getting quite a bit more than Lowry on a rental and Fields for Granger's $14M expiring.

*Superman*
12-10-2013, 06:16 PM
They better win at LEAST one ring.

Ha. There is no way for them to get out of the East versus Miami or Indiana.

Jays Claw
12-10-2013, 10:49 PM
After acquiring Greivis Vasquez in the trade that sent Rudy Gay to the Sacramento Kings, the Toronto Raptors are looking to move on from point guard Kyle Lowry, this according to ESPN:

"New Raptors front-office boss Masai Ujiri has managed to trade away Andrea Bargnani and now Gay over the past six months to create financial flexibility going forward and — with Toronto apparently determined to avoid any accidental success in the Atlanta Division — is said to be happy to surrender veteran point guard Kyle Lowry next."

Lowry’s been a disappointment in Toronto ever since he was acquired from the Houston Rockets in the 2012-13 season. In addition to below average play, Lowry has struggled with injury and given his impending free agency, there’s little reason not to make a move. Even securing a draft pick in exchange for Lowry makes sense considering he won’t be brought back at season end.

In the hunt for Andrew Wiggins, the Raptors are more than open to tanking and Lowry shouldn’t expect to be residing in Toronto much longer.

Source: ESPN

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/toronto-raptors-attempting-to-trade-kyle-lowry-279522.html

xxplayerxx23
12-10-2013, 11:00 PM
Don't really want anything from the Knicks that isn't xxplayerxx23

Golden State seems decent, but do they even have their first this year? Thought they sent it to Utah in the Salary Dump deal

Indiana or Miami seems like the best options.

Lowry and maybe part of the trade exception to Miami for Cole, Joel Anthony and a 1st seems Plausible and would give Miami very good defense at the point, as well as the ability to take on another contract via exception.

Lowry and Fields for Granger and a first. This gives Indiana some depth, and they aren't fully sure if Granger is going to ever return to what he was. Since the Raptors are likely tanking, they probably wouldn't over exert him in his return from injury (not taking a million shots per game)

Lowry-Hill
Stephenson-
George-Fields
West-Scola
Hibbert-Mahinmi

Maybe add Novak and shift Fields over to back-up SG.

Unfortunately, I think that the fact that it's an expiring actually doesn't help the Raptors with Chicago. They probably want a good point guard who can either be 6th man, or play starter, while they SLOWLY bring back Rose. and I'm sure they would prefer to get a guy with a couple years on the contract. If we can pull a trade, I would assume that we would receive the worse of theirs or the Bobcats pick this year.


I mean you win the trade but I'll do it

RollingWave
12-10-2013, 11:07 PM
if it's a late first rounder you could consider, for a team like the Clippers he would make some sense.

GodsSon
12-10-2013, 11:09 PM
Lowry + Novak to OKC for Lamb + Perk + 1st

xxplayerxx23
12-11-2013, 12:42 AM
Makes 0 sense for Okc

FriedTofuz
12-11-2013, 12:59 AM
The granger deal makes sense, Indiana could win it all this year, and lowrys depth will put them over the top, they dont need granger. All Indian would really be doing is giving up a late first, if masai can sucker them into taking a contract like novak or fields... it will do even more good. And Honestly,

How much is giving up a 30th pick + taking on an extra 6 mil for one more year to get a chance at very good bench depth for a team already sitting on the top? It's not much IMO to give up.

dalton749
12-11-2013, 01:38 AM
if lowry is traded we should do something like this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=os654sl

would help portland big time off the bench if they want to contend and gives toronto 2 young prospects that will help tanking

FriedTofuz
12-11-2013, 04:39 AM
f

P&GRealist
12-11-2013, 05:12 AM
Steve Nash, Chris Kaman and Shawne Williams for Kyle Lowry and Chuck Hayes. That's really the best the Lakers can offer. They don't have any more 1st rounders that they can trade.

Bulls_fan90
12-11-2013, 05:21 AM
Lowry + Novak to OKC for Lamb + Perk + 1st

Why not ask for Durant too?

RollingWave
12-11-2013, 05:36 AM
Indiana's next non-lotto pick goes to Phoenix, so they can't trade their first. that's the problem here.

I think for the most part it would be more realistic to look for something like Lowry for Shumpert and Felton.

Paul Jeffrey
12-11-2013, 05:51 AM
This depends.

If I'm an annual high seed playoff team, sure I would if I needed a starting PG or if Lowry was okay with a bench role.

Otherwise no.

Paul Jeffrey
12-11-2013, 05:51 AM
Why not ask for Durant too?

And Westbrook.

RollingWave
12-11-2013, 06:00 AM
This depends.

If I'm an annual high seed playoff team, sure I would if I needed a starting PG or if Lowry was okay with a bench role.

Otherwise no.

essentially, though Lowry's less than stellar locker room reputation could really hurt here, and he's not so good to really worth putting your hands on now when you could just make offers in the off season. he's not a max contract player . so unless your really short on cap room ........ but if your building AND with no cap you really should reevaluate your plan.

PacersForLife
12-11-2013, 06:17 AM
I don't really see us doing any deals unless it involves Copeland and/or Mahinmi. I think the plan with Granger is to see how he progresses. He's supposedly due to come back this Friday. If he ends up being productive at all that would be great. If he can't do much or he gets injured again then they'll probably just let him sit on the bench in a suit and let his contract expire. We can't really make any moves that would bring back long-term contracts because I'm pretty sure Larry Bird will do whatever he can to keep Lance Stephenson here.

Bob_at_york
12-11-2013, 01:39 PM
Lowry is a free agent after this season. Why would any team throw a draft pick for a player that will walk after this year. What elite team missing a point guard needs to rent a point guard ? Toronto will most likely let lowry walk
What team would? A team that wants to save some money by sending a contract back in return.

No...it's not silly to say. Not at all. The Bulls are not going to beat Miami or the Pacers with Lowry. Period. They would struggle with Rose. So having Lowry is not going to put them over the top. If Rose comes back in the playoffs, he most likely isn't going to be a big help after being out for almost two years. (two years minus 9 games.) He is going to need time to adjust to NBA game speed and intensity...NBA PLAYOFF game speed and intensity is a whole other monster. I don't think Rose will factor in in these playoffs. And Lowry just isn't a difference maker. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

You don't give up a first round pick in a stacked draft for a rental when that rental is not going to make you significantly better. It would be stupid for the Bulls to do that in their situation.

And you are right, there are no guarantees that any pick at any point of the draft is going to get you 15/7. But that is not the point. The point in trading a first round draft pick, fora rental, would be to get a guy that can make a difference now. (Since you know, if you draft a guy, you get him cheaper than what Lowry is making, and for longer than a half a year.)

You either keep the draft pick, trade it for a guy that could be in your future plans, or you get a rental that you think can put you over the top this year. Lowry is none of those things for the Bulls. So again, it isn't silly.

I think Lowry would have a greater effect than you think but Noah and Deng need to be healthy for the deal to work. I actually think the Bulls should offer a deal with Teague and another player for Lowry. No 1st round pick needed.

BHF
12-11-2013, 03:20 PM
Why not ask for Durant too?

:facepalm: You are making it sound like Lowry is a scrub and he is asking for a all star in return. There is noting wrong with the talent OKC would get back in that trade, they just don't need a pg.

JasonJohnHorn
12-11-2013, 03:20 PM
Back to the Rockets? That would be hilarious! But it would also make sense.

Chicago could use him with Rose out, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to part with much for him.

He could help the Pacers coming off the bench, but they don't need him desperately.

The Thunder could use a quality back-up at point, and he could play starting minutes if Westbrook was willing to slide over the SG for part of the game.

The Pistons could use him. He'd be better than Jennings, but I'm not sure TO would want Jennings in return.

Minny could use as good back-up point guard as well.

And of course, the Clippers are in DESPERATE need of a legit starting point guard. If the Raps were wiling to take back CP3's contract, then I could help out the Clippers ;-)

MassoDio
12-11-2013, 04:04 PM
ct than you think but Noah and Deng need to be healthy for the deal to work. I actually think the Bulls should offer a deal with Teague and another player for Lowry. No 1st round pick needed.

Let me ask you this...

Would Lowry make the Bulls any better than the 3rd seed?

In the playoffs...would he make them better than Indiana or Miami?

If the answer to those two questions is no...then he isn't worth trading for to the Bulls, in their current situation.

Bob_at_york
12-11-2013, 04:43 PM
Let me ask you this...

Would Lowry make the Bulls any better than the 3rd seed?

In the playoffs...would he make them better than Indiana or Miami?

If the answer to those two questions is no...then he isn't worth trading for to the Bulls, in their current situation.
They probably would still have trouble beating those teams if those teams are healthy. But the bulls showed so much heart last year, if they could repeat that and add some guard help for very little, I think they should go for it. It isn't like they are going to suck enough to get a top 10 pick.

Paul Jeffrey
12-11-2013, 04:54 PM
He is way better than you guys think he is. I liked him on the Rockets but it rumored that him and Mchale had issues. If it wasn't for that he would of still been on the Rockets right now.

He is a good one on one scorer, but that's about it.

MassoDio
12-11-2013, 05:12 PM
They probably would still have trouble beating those teams if those teams are healthy. But the bulls showed so much heart last year, if they could repeat that and add some guard help for very little, I think they should go for it. It isn't like they are going to suck enough to get a top 10 pick.

The point is that they aren't going to beat those teams. What difference does it make if they have more guard depth? It's not like they are going to resign him in the off-season, so trading for him would be all about this year. He isn't going to benefit them enough to make a difference.

And regardless of whether or not it would be a top 10 pick, having that pick is more beneficial to them than Lowry is. By a long shot. The Bulls need to rebuild to a certain extent. They don't have any cap space. Even if they trade Deng, or let him walk at the end of the season, they won't have enough cap space to sign anyone significant. So they need to make changes using the draft. Having more than one pick in this draft does more for that than having Lowry for a half season, only to let him walk at the end of the year, and have one less draft pick. Especially since he wouldn't help them win a title this year.

As I said in my initial post, I like Lowry. I think he is being slightly overrated in this thread, but I think is a very good pg. But he is no way a help for the Bulls in their situation. As a matter of fact, if he helps them win more games this year, but does not win them a title, then he actually hurts them. Considering he costs them a draft pick, lowers their other draft pick if they win more games, and then he is gone at the end of the year. There is absolutely no benefit in Lowry, for the Bulls.

Paul Jeffrey
12-11-2013, 05:25 PM
They probably would still have trouble beating those teams if those teams are healthy. But the bulls showed so much heart last year, if they could repeat that and add some guard help for very little, I think they should go for it. It isn't like they are going to suck enough to get a top 10 pick.

No such thing as heart. A word to glorify the perceived effort level of a player or players.

koreancabbage
12-11-2013, 09:26 PM
No such thing as heart. A word to glorify the perceived effort level of a player or players.

heart, effort, same thing.

HoopsMachine
12-12-2013, 01:24 AM
Here's a trade I posted in Raps forum:

Have to wait though until the players involved get healthy and are clear to play again but

Toronto gets:
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
1st Round Pick

Chicago recieves:
Demar Derozan
Kyle Lowry
2nd Round Pick

Why Toronto does this? For a first rounder and we get a promising young talent in Jimmy Butler who can defend and space the floor with his shooting. In regards to Luol Deng, his contract (14mil) comes off the books for even more cap flexibility in the off-season. This deal allows the organization to fully move forward in a rebuild effort with another pick, tons of cap flexibility, and young low costing players that can be used to compliment whoever we get in the draft.

Why Chicago does this?
Young piece in Demar who is entering his prime that can bolster their current offensive woes. He will also be re-united with his former Trojan teammate Taj Gibson. They also get Lowry as a rental to fill in for Rose's absence and can probably be resigned in the off-season if Kirk decides not to stay.

MTar786
12-12-2013, 05:09 AM
pacers 1st

xxplayerxx23
12-12-2013, 09:04 AM
Here's a trade I posted in Raps forum:

Have to wait though until the players involved get healthy and are clear to play again but

Toronto gets:
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
1st Round Pick

Chicago recieves:
Demar Derozan
Kyle Lowry
2nd Round Pick

Why Toronto does this? For a first rounder and we get a promising young talent in Jimmy Butler who can defend and space the floor with his shooting. In regards to Luol Deng, his contract (14mil) comes off the books for even more cap flexibility in the off-season. This deal allows the organization to fully move forward in a rebuild effort with another pick, tons of cap flexibility, and young low costing players that can be used to compliment whoever we get in the draft.

Why Chicago does this?
Young piece in Demar who is entering his prime that can bolster their current offensive woes. He will also be re-united with his former Trojan teammate Taj Gibson. They also get Lowry as a rental to fill in for Rose's absence and can probably be resigned in the off-season if Kirk decides not to stay.


Chicago gets the phone call laughs hangs up doesn't pick up the phone again. Deng can be had jimmy no way and you want a first when they might not even have enough talent right now to be a top 6 team out east

Bob_at_york
12-12-2013, 11:53 AM
The point is that they aren't going to beat those teams. What difference does it make if they have more guard depth? It's not like they are going to resign him in the off-season, so trading for him would be all about this year. He isn't going to benefit them enough to make a difference.

And regardless of whether or not it would be a top 10 pick, having that pick is more beneficial to them than Lowry is. By a long shot. The Bulls need to rebuild to a certain extent. They don't have any cap space. Even if they trade Deng, or let him walk at the end of the season, they won't have enough cap space to sign anyone significant. So they need to make changes using the draft. Having more than one pick in this draft does more for that than having Lowry for a half season, only to let him walk at the end of the year, and have one less draft pick. Especially since he wouldn't help them win a title this year.

As I said in my initial post, I like Lowry. I think he is being slightly overrated in this thread, but I think is a very good pg. But he is no way a help for the Bulls in their situation. As a matter of fact, if he helps them win more games this year, but does not win them a title, then he actually hurts them. Considering he costs them a draft pick, lowers their other draft pick if they win more games, and then he is gone at the end of the year. There is absolutely no benefit in Lowry, for the Bulls.
I agree, having the pick is beneficial to to the Bulls. Which is why I suggested that they don't give up their pick, I think they should offer Teague (+whatever is needed to level out salaries) for Lowry.


No such thing as heart. A word to glorify the perceived effort level of a player or players.
Yes, there is such thing. It is a word used to glorify players perceived effort levels. That is why I used the word because the Bulls showed a lot of it last year.