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metswon69
12-01-2013, 12:12 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/ran...espnapi_public


NEW YORK -- Last week, we saw Alain Vigneault quickly stifle any potential of a goaltending controversy.

After Saturday’s 5-2 win over the Vancouver Canucks? Not so much.

Asked if he would consider returning Monday to backup netminder Cam Talbot, who recorded his first win at Madison Square Garden following a stellar 35-save performance, Vigneault did not refute the possibility.

Instead, the New York Rangers' coach said he had already decided on a starter for Monday’s match against the Winnipeg Jets, but had yet to inform his two goaltenders.

Vigneault didn't want to tip his hand just yet.

When pressed further about a potential scenario in which the 26-year-old Talbot could play so well that it would force Vigneault’s hand, the coach politely tabled the query.

“We’ll get to that on Monday,” he said as he strode away from the lectern following his postgame news conference.

Though it still seems likely that starting goaltender Henrik Lundqvist will get the start Monday, especially considering the team has two days off before hosting the lowly Buffalo Sabres on Thursday, it was an interesting decision by Vigneault not to disclose who will get the nod.

Could he be trying to motivate Lundqvist?

It's true, the former Vezina Trophy winner got off to a rocky start this season, but he has played much better of late. Yet the Rangers have played extremely well in front of Talbot, whose steadiness and poise far surpass his experience.

Saturday’s effort was a career-high for the former University of Alabama-Huntsville standout. He has recorded six straight wins and has yet to surrender more than two goals in his first seven career starts, a first in franchise history.

For some historical perspective, Talbot is the first Rangers goaltender to record six straight wins in his first year with the team in more than 70 years. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the last person to do it was Jim Henry (seven wins) in the 1941-42 season.

Again, it stands to reason that Lundqvist will be between the pipes against the Jets on Monday.

If he’s not, though, buckle up.

I found this intriguing although it's probably overstated and more media driven than anything else, neither has any of it come to pass yet. Is this just a possible tactic to motivate Lundqvist? Or are they just that impressed with Talbot?

I know he's only had 6 starts but he's looked fantastic so far and with Lundqvist hitting FA at the end of the year, it brings up something that could potentially get very interesting.

Sandman
12-01-2013, 04:22 AM
please don't let this turn into a lowball offer for Lundqvist

nyr2002nyr
12-01-2013, 09:55 AM
please don't let this turn into a lowball offer for Lundqvist

If Cam plays this well for the rest of the year don't be shocked of they let him walk. Truth is the cap is going back up and "if" they cut Richards it would give them lots of $$ to resign some FA's and sign at least one big player if not 2. Having another top level scorer and an offensive d man sounds enticing. Pre cap era this is a non issue in today's game it has to be.

puckhead54
12-01-2013, 10:53 AM
If Cam plays this well for the rest of the year don't be shocked of they let him walk. Truth is the cap is going back up and "if" they cut Richards it would give them lots of $$ to resign some FA's and sign at least one big player if not 2. Having another top level scorer and an offensive d man sounds enticing. Pre cap era this is a non issue in today's game it has to be.
Letting Hank walk is one of the biggest mistakes we could make if we do who backs up Talbot? Also if you trade Hank you instantly make that team a playoff or Stanley cup contender.

nyr2002nyr
12-01-2013, 11:18 AM
Letting Hank walk is one of the biggest mistakes we could make if we do who backs up Talbot? Also if you trade Hank you instantly make that team a playoff or Stanley cup contender.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I can see both sides of the coin. He will be 32 and not that he is bad by any means but $$$ and length of the deal comes into play if Cam can continue to play at that level it will be interesting. Not many other GM's would have let this man guys come up for deals in one year. But if he plays well and our biggest issue is still scoring and you can add more scoring with that money the decision will be tough.

ShadyOne
12-01-2013, 01:46 PM
I'm not even going to entertain this thought yet, need to see a lot more from Talbot to decide to let one of the best walk..

But if he continues to play like he has, I think it will be all up to Henrik. If he is looking to break the bank, I wouldn't be surprised if we let him go. If he at least takes a slightly team-friendly approach, we would likely see this tandem for a while.

Would also say a lot of this depends on how some of the forwards develop. If the FO feels there has been enough development, or even that there could be more steps forward on the offensive end, might make it easier to fork over the cash to Hank. If we can't win with the scoring we get, then maybe you move in another direction?

metswon69
12-01-2013, 02:49 PM
I'm not even going to entertain this thought yet, need to see a lot more from Talbot to decide to let one of the best walk..

But if he continues to play like he has, I think it will be all up to Henrik. If he is looking to break the bank, I wouldn't be surprised if we let him go. If he at least takes a slightly team-friendly approach, we would likely see this tandem for a while.

Would also say a lot of this depends on how some of the forwards develop. If the FO feels there has been enough development, or even that there could be more steps forward on the offensive end, might make it easier to fork over the cash to Hank. If we can't win with the scoring we get, then maybe you move in another direction?

If he wants to win here and keep a solid group around him, he can't go for max dollars. If Talbot plays 25 games this season and continues to impress, then I think Henrik loses some leverage in his negotiations as great as Lundqvist has been. It's premature to say the least but the Rangers have I believe 17 guys in UFA and RFA next season, including a big but obvious decision on Richards.

I am on the fence because I think Talbot has the makings of a solid goaltender and this team has needs in other places that both Richard's and Henrik's money can address. That said, if the King is willing to sign a more team friendly deal, where he is still richly compensated, then of course bring him back.

I mean the one consistent thing is their defense in front of either goaltender and the personnel is solid enough that both goaltenders should benefit greatly as Lundqvist has in the past and Talbot has to some extent presently.

SLY WILLIAMS
12-01-2013, 04:05 PM
I do not think Slats would just let Hank walk because he is a huge asset. Hank will either be re-signed or traded for a nice package. No reason to let him go for nothing. Hank has been great but so far this season Can has been equal or better so in a contract year this kind of talk is normal.

bsi
12-01-2013, 05:15 PM
Talbot needs to play multiple games in a row to see if he's a starter or a good backup. If he is legit I vote to trade Hank not because I have anything against him but I have a problem paying a goalie 8.5 million for the next 8 years if we have a goalie here that can do the job for an 1/8 of that. The package we could receive could set this team up for a stanley cup run, that is if Talbot is the real deal. The most convincing thing I saw out of Talbot was his confidence handling the puck, he looks really comfortable in that net.

nyr2002nyr
12-01-2013, 09:49 PM
Talbot needs to play multiple games in a row to see if he's a starter or a good backup. If he is legit I vote to trade Hank not because I have anything against him but I have a problem paying a goalie 8.5 million for the next 8 years if we have a goalie here that can do the job for an 1/8 of that. The package we could receive could set this team up for a stanley cup run, that is if Talbot is the real deal. The most convincing thing I saw out of Talbot was his confidence handling the puck, he looks really comfortable in that net.

The kid has excelled at every level after going undrafted out of Huntsville AL. He played in the echl under Neil Smith until he got called up to AHL. Even Neil said he knew the kid was good.

bsi
12-01-2013, 09:56 PM
Talbot needs to play multiple games in a row to see if he's a starter or a good backup. If he is legit I vote to trade Hank not because I have anything against him but I have a problem paying a goalie 8.5 million for the next 8 years if we have a goalie here that can do the job for an 1/8 of that. The package we could receive could set this team up for a stanley cup run, that is if Talbot is the real deal. The most convincing thing I saw out of Talbot was his confidence handling the puck, he looks really comfortable in that net.

The kid has excelled at every level after going undrafted out of Huntsville AL. He played in the echl under Neil Smith until he got called up to AHL. Even Neil said he knew the kid was good.

Ya he looks great and its nice having someone who plays the puck well but I'd like to know if he was Marty Brodeur or Marty Biron before trading Hank away.

nyr2002nyr
12-01-2013, 10:24 PM
Ya he looks great and its nice having someone who plays the puck well but I'd like to know if he was Marty Brodeur or Marty Biron before trading Hank away.

I agree 100%. But I also agree with what you said about the $$$ even if the kid doesn't become a #1. Hank at 8/8 will totally hamper this team from taking the next step.

bsi
12-02-2013, 12:08 AM
Ya he looks great and its nice having someone who plays the puck well but I'd like to know if he was Marty Brodeur or Marty Biron before trading Hank away.

I agree 100%. But I also agree with what you said about the $$$ even if the kid doesn't become a #1. Hank at 8/8 will totally hamper this team from taking the next step.

Its tough since we havent drafted any real good prospect goalies. If Talbot shows a weakness and starts to tank and we trade hendrik away then we really have nobody to play goal. Maybe a team like Anaheim would send one of their goalies and a player back in a deal if we went that route but outside of that we need to know if talbot can be a #1 before we deal. 8/8 is tough though, it eliminates a really good forward on your team.

Talbot should get lots of opportunities this year being an Olympic year and Hank being the startee for Sweden, he will need some be rest.

teddygreen17
12-02-2013, 11:22 AM
Remember, playoff hockey is a LOT different too. I am all for trading Hank to get a couple of bigger (heights), top 6 offensive players. But Talbot is still learning and still not under the same pressures. Please you just dont trade away a HOF Goalie for your franchise. It's hard.

metswon69
12-02-2013, 12:13 PM
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 10m

#NYR Talbot appears to be likely starter for tonight. Coming off career-high 35-save effort Saturday

bsi
12-02-2013, 12:41 PM
Could see that coming a mile away, no surprise to me. I am wondering though if Hank came back too early, I know he rushed in to play the home opener and maybe he wasn't ready, maybe some rest would do him good. Having said that our team needs to score more consistantly as well, we can't be relying on the goalie to always bail us out. Stepan, Callahan, Zuccarello and now Richards all have to start putting the puck in the net.

nyr2002nyr
12-02-2013, 01:34 PM
Could see that coming a mile away, no surprise to me. I am wondering though if Hank came back too early, I know he rushed in to play the home opener and maybe he wasn't ready, maybe some rest would do him good. Having said that our team needs to score more consistantly as well, we can't be relying on the goalie to always bail us out. Stepan, Callahan, Zuccarello and now Richards all have to start putting the puck in the net.

Zucs needs to shoot more he gives up some prime chances trying to make a pass

NYR_NYJ
12-02-2013, 01:39 PM
This was provably the last thing AV needed ro thought he would have to deal with coming to the Rangers

bsi
12-02-2013, 01:53 PM
Could see that coming a mile away, no surprise to me. I am wondering though if Hank came back too early, I know he rushed in to play the home opener and maybe he wasn't ready, maybe some rest would do him good. Having said that our team needs to score more consistantly as well, we can't be relying on the goalie to always bail us out. Stepan, Callahan, Zuccarello and now Richards all have to start putting the puck in the net.

Zucs needs to shoot more he gives up some prime chances trying to make a pass

The crazy thing is that the guy has a great shot...not sure why he doesn't shoot more.

J4KOP99
12-02-2013, 01:54 PM
Seems as if goalie controversies just follow vigneault around

bsi
12-02-2013, 01:58 PM
Honestly Hank has pretty much started this controversy with his play compared to Talbots. I think starting Cam is the right thing to do for the team and maybe it sends a message to Hank.

metswon69
12-02-2013, 02:02 PM
This whole situation is getting very interesting to me. Now granted, it will only take one or two bad starts in a row from Talbot for the intrigue to die down but with Lundqvist still being possibly injured and with the Rangers having to be conscious of Lundqvist's workload with his Olympic obligation, Talbot is going to get a nice long look the rest of the year.

And what happens if Cam continues to play very well (not at this pace obviously)? You would have to believe they will look to play the hot hand.

Then factor in Lundqvist's impending contract and the likelihood of him looking to make close to max money at 32 years old and the Rangers have a complicated situation on their hands.

bsi
12-02-2013, 05:17 PM
This whole situation is getting very interesting to me. Now granted, it will only take one or two bad starts in a row from Talbot for the intrigue to die down but with Lundqvist still being possibly injured and with the Rangers having to be conscious of Lundqvist's workload with his Olympic obligation, Talbot is going to get a nice long look the rest of the year.

And what happens if Cam continues to play very well (not at this pace obviously)? You would have to believe they will look to play the hot hand.

Then factor in Lundqvist's impending contract and the likelihood of him looking to make close to max money at 32 years old and the Rangers have a complicated situation on their hands.

I think the answer is fairly obvious if Talbot continues to shine and Lundqvist struggles. As I've said many times before I still believe Hank is top 3 in the league but for some reason he just isnt into it this year or is hurt. He's gonna command a lot of money for a guy who is struggling.

nyr1980
12-02-2013, 06:13 PM
Zucs needs to shoot more he gives up some prime chances trying to make a pass

Agreed. Shooting more has helped Richards. Also, Brassard has been better the last 3-4 games cause he's shot more.

bsi
12-02-2013, 06:42 PM
Zucs needs to shoot more he gives up some prime chances trying to make a pass

Agreed. Shooting more has helped Richards. Also, Brassard has been better the last 3-4 games cause he's shot more.

Brassard has skated hard every shift the last 3 or 4 games. Hopefully it catches on, Callahan hasnt been himself yet.