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wowzah
11-27-2013, 10:25 PM
I know it's obvious that being 7 ft tall, skilled and athletic would you make you unstoppable. Seriously thinking about though. How many players have there been that fit these descriptions?

Chamberlain, KAJ, Shaq, Robinson. That's about it. That's arguably 3 of the 4 most dominant players ever there. I have no idea how Robinson wasn't a better player being so gifted. His stats look like God though, but people don't think of him as ATG.

It's like it's not even fair. Dirk is a 7 footer with skill, but no athleticism. He's an all time great. If he was 6'6" he'd just be a spot up shooter. If Dirk had an ounce of athleticism he'd probably be a top 5 player ever.

Look at the everybody in the NBA who's about 6'6" and under. They all have skill and athleticism.

IKnowHoops
11-27-2013, 10:39 PM
I know it's obvious that being 7 ft tall, skilled and athletic would you make you unstoppable. Seriously thinking about though. How many players have there been that fit these descriptions?

Chamberlain, KAJ, Shaq, Robinson. That's about it. That's arguably 3 of the 4 most dominant players ever there. I have no idea how Robinson wasn't a better player being so gifted. His stats look like God though, but people don't think of him as ATG.

It's like it's not even fair. Dirk is a 7 footer with skill, but no athleticism. He's an all time great. If he was 6'6" he'd just be a spot up shooter. If Dirk had an ounce of athleticism he'd probably be a top 5 player ever.

Look at the everybody in the NBA who's about 6'6" and under. They all have skill and athleticism.

David is an all time great, he is just one of the most underrated players in history because he was on garbage teams during his prime. Once he was old, Duncan came along and then they won rings. If you look at Chamberlain, KAJ, and Shaq, they all played with top 5 guys in the league while in there prime. If David had his whole career with a prime Duncan, then he would undoubtedly be considered a top 8 player ever because a prime David and Tim would of probably won 5 plus rings and David would of won finals MVP at least 2-3 times. So there you have it.

IKnowHoops
11-27-2013, 10:43 PM
The only guys who put up great and efficient stats that don't win rings, are the guys who just don't have enough talent around them. KG is another great example of this. During his prime he couldn't win and he had better teams than David. Much better teams. Googliotta, Sam Cassel, Latrel Sprewel, but still not championship level talent, not all time talent. As soon as he went to the Celtics....Ring This isn't very true with Malone, but they ran into Bulls so you know.

ricky recon
11-27-2013, 10:45 PM
So DeAndre Jordan is a top 10 player? This doesn't apply at all. Shaq was dominant because he was enormous, yes, but he was also very skilled. Dirk is one of the best shooters in the history of the game, and happens to be 7 foot. He was pretty damn athletic in his younger days. KAJ was insanely skilled as well. Saying you don't know how a former MVP wasn't better is pretty puzzling as well (The Admiral).

This basically has no grounds except for something we all knew. If you're 7 foot tall, you are going to have a greater shot at being a professional basketball player than someone who is 5'10".

JEDean89
11-27-2013, 10:46 PM
Morning, Ewing are guys who come to mind also, 7 foot athletic and skilled, Javale is just missing the skill, but honestly if I was a player choosing a body to play in the nba, it would be Lebron, then Javale.

ricky recon
11-27-2013, 10:50 PM
Just read the title, and saw "skilled" in there. I don't get this question at all.

If you are 7 foot, athletic, and skilled, then you're going to be pretty good. That would be basketball. Being tall, athletic, and skilled.

wowzah
11-27-2013, 11:02 PM
So DeAndre Jordan is a top 10 player? This doesn't apply at all. Shaq was dominant because he was enormous, yes, but he was also very skilled. Dirk is one of the best shooters in the history of the game, and happens to be 7 foot. He was pretty damn athletic in his younger days. KAJ was insanely skilled as well. Saying you don't know how a former MVP wasn't better is pretty puzzling as well (The Admiral).

This basically has no grounds except for something we all knew. If you're 7 foot tall, you are going to have a greater shot at being a professional basketball player than someone who is 5'10".

I do not consider Jordan to have offensive skill and I don't consider Dirk to be athletic. When I mean athletic I mean not your average dedicated gym goer. That would be someone like me, but I'd hardly consider myself "athletic", far from it. I'm talking elite athlete type athleticism.

wowzah
11-27-2013, 11:07 PM
Just read the title, and saw "skilled" in there. I don't get this question at all.

If you are 7 foot, athletic, and skilled, then you're going to be pretty good. That would be basketball. Being tall, athletic, and skilled.

It's not really a question. It was an observation.

conway429
11-27-2013, 11:08 PM
yeah no kidding.... you're huge, with elite athleticism and then you're also extremely skilled at basketball... go figure this often leads to being a good basketball player... what are you saying/asking/doing with this thread?

ricky recon
11-27-2013, 11:12 PM
It's not really a question. It was an observation.

I don't want to sound like an *******, but you observed that being extremely tall, extremely athletic, and extremely skilled meant being extremely good, and decided to make a thread?

Hellcrooner
11-27-2013, 11:19 PM
Op forgot hakeem.


But his theory aint too good anyway,

Chambers got all that and is not a top 10 player.

Gasol got all that at his prime too and you can place him anywhere 50-75 all time, definetly not top 10.

JEDean89
11-27-2013, 11:34 PM
It's a shame that Oden couldn't become one of those guys, they really are once in a decade players and we haven't had one now since shaq. If Drummond can become skilled enough he can be one, its amazing he slipped in the draft. Maybe Jahlil Okafor, he's still 17 and he's 6'11 260, if he lives up to the hype he can be bigtime.

NoahH
11-27-2013, 11:44 PM
Just read the title, and saw "skilled" in there. I don't get this question at all.

If you are 7 foot, athletic, and skilled, then you're going to be pretty good. That would be basketball. Being tall, athletic, and skilled.

Exactly. Same goes for guards. If you're athletic, skilled, quick then youll be a top 10 player. SMH nothing profound here.


yeah no kidding.... you're huge, with elite athleticism and then you're also extremely skilled at basketball... go figure this often leads to being a good basketball player... what are you saying/asking/doing with this thread?

This

mightybosstone
11-28-2013, 12:29 AM
How can OP have a thread talking about how dominant athletic, skilled 7-footers are and then completely leave out the most athletic, skilled 7-footer in the history of the NBA? Hakeem is the very epitome of this. Hell, the guy didn't even pick up the game of basketball until he was 17. A year later, he was flown to the states and was quickly a collegiate star for Houston, and four years later the guy was one of the best players in the NBA.

JNA17
11-28-2013, 12:36 AM
Did...did the OP just mention David Robinson without mentioning the player that owned him several times (Hakeem) during their time?

WTF OP?

Sactown
11-28-2013, 01:35 AM
Yes being the tallest player on the court, being extremely athletic and very skilled is going to make you a great player...just like being short, with no skils, and no athleticism is going to make you suck...

FlashBolt
11-28-2013, 01:46 AM
This would have been important if NBA didn't exist.

WES KOAST
11-28-2013, 03:33 AM
I know it's obvious that being 7 ft tall, skilled and athletic would you make you unstoppable. Seriously thinking about though. How many players have there been that fit these descriptions?

Chamberlain, KAJ, Shaq, Robinson. That's about it. That's arguably 3 of the 4 most dominant players ever there. I have no idea how Robinson wasn't a better player being so gifted. His stats look like God though, but people don't think of him as ATG.

It's like it's not even fair. Dirk is a 7 footer with skill, but no athleticism. He's an all time great. If he was 6'6" he'd just be a spot up shooter. If Dirk had an ounce of athleticism he'd probably be a top 5 player ever.

Look at the everybody in the NBA who's about 6'6" and under. They all have skill and athleticism.

same can be said of a 5 foot player who's 3pt% is 100% and averages 50 pts/gm

DreamShaker
11-28-2013, 04:03 AM
Hakeem was about 6'10. Probably why he left him off.

And David Robinson did NOT have a garbage supporting cast BTW. Rodman, Elliot, Avery Johnson, and them boys are far from garbage.

CavaliersFTW
11-28-2013, 05:25 AM
So DeAndre Jordan is a top 10 player? This doesn't apply at all. Shaq was dominant because he was enormous, yes, but he was also very skilled. Dirk is one of the best shooters in the history of the game, and happens to be 7 foot. He was pretty damn athletic in his younger days. KAJ was insanely skilled as well. Saying you don't know how a former MVP wasn't better is pretty puzzling as well (The Admiral).

This basically has no grounds except for something we all knew. If you're 7 foot tall, you are going to have a greater shot at being a professional basketball player than someone who is 5'10".



OP did not say that, nor is does he even meet two out of the OP's 3 requirements so why in the hell do you assume OP is describing a guy like him? Deandre is not 7 foot, he's 6-9 and 3/4... nor is he skilled by any stretch of the imagination in comparison to the players mentioned.

JNA17
11-28-2013, 09:40 AM
I can tell you this though.

If you are a young 7 foot+ bigman, teams will sign you/draft you always guaranteed. Whether you are skilled or never played a freaking basketball game in your life.

wowzah
11-28-2013, 11:26 AM
Exactly. Same goes for guards. If you're athletic, skilled, quick then youll be a top 10 player. SMH nothing profound here.



Not at all. Most of the guards in the NBA are skilled and are athletic at the same time. Yet most of them are just no names or meh.

wowzah
11-28-2013, 11:27 AM
How can OP have a thread talking about how dominant athletic, skilled 7-footers are and then completely leave out the most athletic, skilled 7-footer in the history of the NBA? Hakeem is the very epitome of this. Hell, the guy didn't even pick up the game of basketball until he was 17. A year later, he was flown to the states and was quickly a collegiate star for Houston, and four years later the guy was one of the best players in the NBA.

Because he's 6'10"

wowzah
11-28-2013, 11:32 AM
I read somewhere or heard somewhere something incredible about 7 footers. There are about seventy 7 footers in the USA between the ages 20-40. About 1 out of 5 have played in the NBA at one point in their lifetime.

Andrew Bynum seriously, CANNOT run. He just can't move. He starts. LOL. 7'1" works I guess.

mightybosstone
11-28-2013, 11:34 AM
Because he's 6'10"

Who gives a ****? The guy was listed as 7 feet. Hell, a lot of 7-footers in NBA history weren't technically 7-footers. Hakeem is still the most gifted player listed at 7 feet in the history of the NBA.

Goose17
11-28-2013, 12:00 PM
http://media.mlive.com/newsnow_impact/photo/10737448-large.jpg

wowzah
11-28-2013, 12:01 PM
Who gives a ****? The guy was listed as 7 feet. Hell, a lot of 7-footers in NBA history weren't technically 7-footers. Hakeem is still the most gifted player listed at 7 feet in the history of the NBA.

He is great, but I'm talking about the great 7 footers. KAJ, Shaq, Chamberlain and Robinson were legit 7 footers.

mightybosstone
11-28-2013, 12:08 PM
He is great, but I'm talking about the great 7 footers. KAJ, Shaq, Chamberlain and Robinson were legit 7 footers.

He was listed as 7 feet. You're just arguing semantics.

c.c.
11-28-2013, 12:13 PM
I don't really understand this thread fully :confused:

I Rock Shaqs
11-28-2013, 12:14 PM
I don't want to sound like an *******, but you observed that being extremely tall, extremely athletic, and extremely skilled meant being extremely good, and decided to make a thread?

WHAT?!?! I find that description was more suited for tennis players.

mightybosstone
11-28-2013, 12:42 PM
I don't really understand this thread fully :confused:

Yeah..... It makes no sense. Apparently really tall, really athletic and really skilled players are great at basketball. Who knew!?!?!?

:facepalm:

wowzah
11-28-2013, 01:13 PM
He was listed as 7 feet. You're just arguing semantics.

He was not a 7 footer. To say he was is bringing up semantics because he's not 7 ft.

Heatcheck
11-28-2013, 01:14 PM
Morning, Ewing are guys who come to mind also, 7 foot athletic and skilled, Javale is just missing the skill, but honestly if I was a player choosing a body to play in the nba, it would be Lebron, then Javale.

Mornning was definetly not 7 ft and faaaar from athletic.

Heatcheck
11-28-2013, 01:21 PM
Hakeem was about 6'10. Probably why he left him off.

And David Robinson did NOT have a garbage supporting cast BTW. Rodman, Elliot, Avery Johnson, and them boys are far from garbage.

6'10? that's news to me...when did this happen? go watch him playing against the Celtics in the 80s and tell me hes not 7ft

mightybosstone
11-28-2013, 01:40 PM
He was not a 7 footer. To say he was is bringing up semantics because he's not 7 ft.

He was listed as 7 feet. In NBA history books Hakeem Olajuwon is considered a 7-foot center.

Also, I think it's hilarious that the guy who brought up this horrible thread in the first place is arguing the semantics of two inches. What the hell point is this thread supposed to be making in the first place? That tall, athletic, skilled basketball players are successful in the NBA? No ****. I'm 5'7", unathletic and have no basketball skills whatsoever. Common sense would dictate that I'm not very good at basketball. The same goes for the opposite. You are not making some kind of huge, profound statement. You're using common sense that anybody with half a brain could easily come up with on their own.

NoahH
11-28-2013, 01:50 PM
i read somewhere or heard somewhere something incredible about 7 footers. There are about seventy 7 footers in the usa between the ages 20-40. About 1 out of 5 have played in the nba at one point in their lifetime.

Andrew bynum seriously, cannot run. He just can't move. He starts. Lol. 7'1" works i guess.
Wow this is unreal

wowzah
11-28-2013, 01:51 PM
He was listed as 7 feet. In NBA history books Hakeem Olajuwon is considered a 7-foot center.



I'm 5'11.5". That's my legit height and yes it bothers me a little that I'm not 6ft and came so damn close. I could lie and say list me at 6'1" cuz I feel like it, but I don't.

You know what? I'm 6'1" now because I say so. Put me at 6'1" on my license, passport, whatever. This is how I interpret your logic.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-28-2013, 03:34 PM
Jonathan Bender.

bagwell368
11-28-2013, 11:14 PM
David is an all time great, he is just one of the most underrated players in history because he was on garbage teams during his prime.

This is nonsense, and has been decisively turned aside. No sale.

bagwell368
11-28-2013, 11:16 PM
6'10? that's news to me...when did this happen? go watch him playing against the Celtics in the 80s and tell me hes not 7ft

Hakeem was 6' 10". But no matter. Walton was listed as 6' 11" and he was at least 7' 1.5". Garnett is listed as 6' 11" and he's 7' 0".

kingsdelez24
11-28-2013, 11:51 PM
Jonathon Bender, the 7'0 athletic Small Forward who was an above average shooter and defender

I don't think he cracks the top 1000

GoldDustTwin
11-28-2013, 11:57 PM
@Heatcheck

Mourning was 6-10.

As for the not athletic bit - he had an outside game, almost blocked 4 shots a game in 1999, ran the court well, excellent defender and very well-rounded offensive player.

You don't achieve all that by being a stiff.

Not sure what the definition of athletic is. Perhaps you only caught Alonzo in his later career - check him out from Georgetown through his early - mid pro career. You don't get off the floor as quickly as he did by being un-athletic.

bagwell368
11-28-2013, 11:59 PM
From Hakeem's wiki:

Listed at 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m) (but closer to 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) by his own admission)

GoldDustTwin
11-29-2013, 12:04 AM
From Hakeem's wiki:

Listed at 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m) (but closer to 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) by his own admission)

Since measurements are unreliable, another way to gage Hakeem's height is to look at that famous SI picture of him and Ralph Sampson standing side by side.

If Sampson's 7-4 (probably not) Hakeem in that picture looks like he's giving up an easy 4-5 inches to Ralph.

6-10 would be my guess.

Chrisclover
11-29-2013, 01:33 AM
this why I always play center in 2k

Chrisclover
11-29-2013, 01:37 AM
DJ doesnt have skills, we know this ?
So DeAndre Jordan is a top 10 player? This doesn't apply at all. Shaq was dominant because he was enormous, yes, but he was also very skilled. Dirk is one of the best shooters in the history of the game, and happens to be 7 foot. He was pretty damn athletic in his younger days. KAJ was insanely skilled as well. Saying you don't know how a former MVP wasn't better is pretty puzzling as well (The Admiral).

This basically has no grounds except for something we all knew. If you're 7 foot tall, you are going to have a greater shot at being a professional basketball player than someone who is 5'10".