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Goose17
11-24-2013, 10:41 AM
I saw this on twitter, some interesting questions. Wondered what everyone on here thought about them...


1. Carmelo Anthony will be eligible for a 5-year $129 million contract. He will be 35 years old in the final year. Is he worth it?

2. How much trade value does Shump really hold? Hypothetically, what is the best and worst the Knicks would take in a trade involving Shump?

3. Should the Knicks be looking to make big changes BEFORE Melo reaches free agency? Or do they wait and see what Melo does first?

4. Can the Knicks build a championship caliber team with Dolan working as the puppet master? Is Dolan still holding the franchise back?

mightybosstone
11-24-2013, 11:59 AM
I saw this on twitter, some interesting questions. Wondered what everyone on here thought about them...

1. Carmelo Anthony will be eligible for a 5-year $129 million contract. He will be 35 years old in the final year. Is he worth it?
Yes. I've said for years that Melo isn't a star who makes players around him better, but he is most certainly worth a max contract. Between the fact that scorers are at a premium in the league and the marketing a star like Melo brings to a city, it's easily worth it.


2. How much trade value does Shump really hold? Hypothetically, what is the best and worst the Knicks would take in a trade involving Shump?
I thought the Faried deal was an ideal trade proposal for New York, so a player of Faried's caliber would be a best-case scenario. A young front court player who can average a double double and grow with the Knicks' core of players. I don't think he's worth more than that, and I don't think he'll ever amount to anything more than a slight better offensive Thabo Sefolosha.


3. Should the Knicks be looking to make big changes BEFORE Melo reaches free agency? Or do they wait and see what Melo does first?
That depends on what Melo wants. They need to be proactive in talking to the guy and see what he's looking for with the team's roster. If he thinks there should be changes, they should make changes. But they're about to have a ton of cap room and that certainly would provide them the versatility to add some pieces around Melo.


4. Can the Knicks build a championship caliber team with Dolan working as the puppet master? Is Dolan still holding the franchise back?
I don't think the NBA is nearly as complicated or as complex as the NFL or MLB when it comes to building a contender. The recipe is pretty simple. Start with 2 star players, add a serviceable No. 3 and veteran role players, bake for a couple of seasons at 375 degrees and serve with a side salad and some 3-point specialists. The hard part is either pulling the trades off to acquire those players or being able to convince the stars to come to your city. It's ****ing New York. It shouldn't be that hard to convince stars to come there, and they've proven they can in the past. If they can keep Melo, add 1-2 other major pieces and build around that core with a smart, well-balanced cast of role players, I see no reason why the Knicks can't contend.

king4day
11-24-2013, 12:04 PM
For that price they shouldn't. That's a crap strangling number.

jstone0716
11-24-2013, 12:04 PM
I'm glad I grew up in Dallas and don't have to worry about my favorite player being a little diva, can someone get Melo a shirley temple... extra cherries please?

SeoulBeatz
11-24-2013, 12:08 PM
I saw this on twitter, some interesting questions. Wondered what everyone on here thought about them...


1. Carmelo Anthony will be eligible for a 5-year $129 million contract. He will be 35 years old in the final year. Is he worth it?

2. How much trade value does Shump really hold? Hypothetically, what is the best and worst the Knicks would take in a trade involving Shump?

3. Should the Knicks be looking to make big changes BEFORE Melo reaches free agency? Or do they wait and see what Melo does first?

4. Can the Knicks build a championship caliber team with Dolan working as the puppet master? Is Dolan still holding the franchise back?


One of the biggest questions IMO. I have no idea what kind of value Shump holds around the league because he hasn't improved since his rookie year. I'm leaning towards blaming the poor construction and chemistry of the team for stunting Iman's growth.

Because without the hype of the flat-top, playing in NYC, the adidas commercials, the raps...
he's just a 8, 4, and 3 defensive specialist with a 12 PER.

I think he could flourish on a team like the Spurs where he would have a defined role and the coach would get the most out of him.

mightybosstone
11-24-2013, 12:12 PM
I'm glad I grew up in Dallas and don't have to worry about my favorite player being a little diva, can someone get Melo a shirley temple... extra cherries please?

No, but your owner and GM is arguably the biggest diva in the league, so let's not act like the Mavericks are some humble, down-to-earth franchise that never gets media attention for *****ing and moaning.

SeoulBeatz
11-24-2013, 12:13 PM
I'm glad I grew up in Dallas and don't have to worry about my favorite player being a little diva, can someone get Melo a shirley temple... extra cherries please?

Even though Mark Cuban tried to lure the biggest diva in the NBA, Dwight Howard, to Dallas????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/04/dwight-howard-mavericks-video-animation-cuban_n_3704731.html

jstone0716
11-24-2013, 12:14 PM
Anywho... I'd say Melo is well worth a max, he's been nothing but durable and consistent throughout his entire career and I don't see any reason why he would slow down THAT much, he's never really relied on athleticism. He's always been a guy I see playing pretty well up into his late 30's.

Faried was more than fair in my opinion, I really don't see them getting much better than him.

I think they just need to trade Melo, they're not a serious contender even healthy and need a good year or two of smart free agency and good draft luck to really be serious.

jstone0716
11-24-2013, 12:18 PM
No, but your owner and GM is arguably the biggest diva in the league, so let's not act like the Mavericks are some humble, down-to-earth franchise that never gets media attention for *****ing and moaning.

My statement had nothing to do with the Mavericks franchise or Mark Cuban. It had to do with the goofy 7 foot german that's stuck around his entire career and finally got rewarded. I could care less if Cuban walked.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-24-2013, 12:29 PM
For that price they shouldn't. That's a crap strangling number.

Dolan will throw that money on him without blinking an eye

KnicksorBust
11-24-2013, 12:39 PM
I saw this on twitter, some interesting questions. Wondered what everyone on here thought about them...


1. Carmelo Anthony will be eligible for a 5-year $129 million contract. He will be 35 years old in the final year. Is he worth it?

Yes. The hardest part about building a winner is finding that player who can carry your team. You don't let him walk after leading you to 54 wins and a #2 seed in the previous season.


2. How much trade value does Shump really hold? Hypothetically, what is the best and worst the Knicks would take in a trade involving Shump?

I don't care how much trade value he has because we shouldn't even be shopping him. A defensive specialist who doesn't need the ball to contribute is the perfect player to put with Carmelo Anthony. His TS% has also been creeping up every year.


3. Should the Knicks be looking to make big changes BEFORE Melo reaches free agency? Or do they wait and see what Melo does first?

I don't see how they can make big changes with no tradeable assets besides Shumpert. I'd love to get this team a PG but I don't see how we can.


4. Can the Knicks build a championship caliber team with Dolan working as the puppet master? Is Dolan still holding the franchise back?

Yes but yes.

DallasTrilla23
11-24-2013, 12:53 PM
No, but your owner and GM is arguably the biggest diva in the league

Mark Cuban just got done talking about how he's getting over holding a grudge against Jaon Kidd, Don Nelson and the old Mavs Owner.

No argument here.

IndyRealist
11-24-2013, 01:19 PM
1. To a team like the Knicks who are willing to pay a ton of luxury tax? Yes. To any mid/small market team? Hell no.

2. At this point his entire value is based on reputation and potential. He actually hasn't DONE anything in the NBA. If they're lucky they can land a similar young player, or a vet role player and a pick. Obviously some people rate him higher, but that's the most I'd give up. KnicksorBust makes a very good point in that he's almost a perfect compliment to Melo. So if you're going to build around Melo he's your best bet. He just needs to develop a 3pt shot.

3. Yes. The problem with having unlimited pockets is that the salary cap prevents you from just clearing out your roster and loading up to $90M again. Melo's going to eat up a big part of the cap, restricting their space below the cap. So their best bet is to trade expiring contracts next year for quality players on big deals and see if they can get draft picks back as well. If they let their payroll drop, it's not very easy to balloon it back up.

4. No and Yes. Dolan does not have a basketball mind, yet he overrules the ones who do. They'll get close because they can throw money at the problem, but all the stars have to align to put together a champion. One bad, ego driven move could kill their chances. I don't see a ring as long as he's in charge.

2-ONE-5
11-24-2013, 01:22 PM
Knicks forum? I mean you made a thread with a specific question to a fan base.

blahblahyoutoo
11-24-2013, 01:26 PM
Anywho... I'd say Melo is well worth a max, he's been nothing but durable and consistent throughout his entire career and I don't see any reason why he would slow down THAT much, he's never really relied on athleticism. He's always been a guy I see playing pretty well up into his late 30's.


his weight issues will prevent him from being impactful at that age.

Goose17
11-24-2013, 01:35 PM
Knicks forum? I mean you made a thread with a specific question to a fan base.

It wasn't aimed at the fan base it was aimed at everyone. I already know what answers Knicks fans are going to give, I want a more overall idea of what people think, less bias.

ManRam
11-24-2013, 01:44 PM
1. The only reason Melo wouldn't be worth that is if there's already a ton of bad contracts on the roster to go with it. That would make it detrimental. They can get out of most of that bad salary after next year, but who knows if that front office has the ability to show restrain when it comes to bringing in overpaid salary-crushers? I wouldn't bet on it.

But yeah, Melo is worth a max contract. You can build a contending team around him, IMO...it's just the Knicks have botched that badly. I'm hard on the guy, but fill out a roster correctly around him and you can definitely have success.


2. As for Shump, I've always been lower on him than Knicks fans. I've always felt he doesn't have the offensive game to allow him to reach the potential Knicks fans feel he has. Who knows what other teams think, though. But I'd be stunned if they could spin him into something that really helps them out significantly. Trading him also basically gives away the last asset they have. That's scary.

3. They should, but can they? Will they? Probably not.

4. Certainly hasn't shown us anything to think that he can. It shouldn't be this hard to find consistent success in New York City. But he's struggled...and unless he totally abandons the strategy he's employed recently, I don't think he can bring the success the Knicks fans have waited so long for. He's made some horrible moves without any regard for the long-term future. That's bad.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-24-2013, 03:15 PM
1. The only reason Melo wouldn't be worth that is if there's already a ton of bad contracts on the roster to go with it. That would make it detrimental. They can get out of most of that bad salary after next year, but who knows if that front office has the ability to show restrain when it comes to bringing in overpaid salary-crushers? I wouldn't bet on it.

But yeah, Melo is worth a max contract. You can build a contending team around him, IMO...it's just the Knicks have botched that badly. I'm hard on the guy, but fill out a roster correctly around him and you can definitely have success.


2. As for Shump, I've always been lower on him than Knicks fans. I've always felt he doesn't have the offensive game to allow him to reach the potential Knicks fans feel he has. Who knows what other teams think, though. But I'd be stunned if they could spin him into something that really helps them out significantly. Trading him also basically gives away the last asset they have. That's scary.

3. They should, but can they? Will they? Probably not.

4. Certainly hasn't shown us anything to think that he can. It shouldn't be this hard to find consistent success in New York City. But he's struggled...and unless he totally abandons the strategy he's employed recently, I don't think he can bring the success the Knicks fans have waited so long for. He's made some horrible moves without any regard for the long-term future. That's bad.

How,if he eats almost half the capspace?

Knicks need cap space to sign free agents. They cant bring in stars with trades because they have no assets.