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beasted86
11-09-2013, 05:07 PM
With everyone talking about Chris Paul, Paul George, and Kevin Love's hot starts to the season, the slept on guy is Anthony Davis. This kid is wrecking it on both ends of the floor, and this is just the start since he is only 20 years old.

23.0 PPG
11.5 RPG
4.3 BPG

Quietly leading the league with a 31.17 PER through the first week and a half, and has his team at .500.

I'll be the first to admit I didn't think this guy had superstar potential, but he clearly does if he keeps this up, improves, and stays healthy.

AddiX
11-09-2013, 05:16 PM
I didn't think Davis woUld be this good, especially this early.

They could have something really special with this guy. Maybe even a once in a lifetime type of center.

Bruno
11-09-2013, 05:22 PM
totally. he's the future of the league.

D-Leethal
11-09-2013, 05:24 PM
I knew he would be this good and was pretty adamant about it. Dude is a monster. Mini mix of KG and Bill Russell.

AddiX
11-09-2013, 05:27 PM
I knew he would be this good and was pretty adamant about it. Dude is a monster. Mini mix of KG and Bill Russell.

I saw the defense side as a rook, but his offensive development has been very impressive.

Capital G
11-09-2013, 05:30 PM
there was a thread not long ago where most people claimed his offense would keep him from ever being an elite player. guy is a monster on both ends right now @ 20.

Chronz
11-09-2013, 05:36 PM
I knew he would be this good and was pretty adamant about it. Dude is a monster. Mini mix of KG and Bill Russell.

I saw the defense side as a rook, but his offensive development has been very impressive.
His defense was trash last year, his offense was what was surprising last year. This year hes been a total different animal on both ends

Hawkeye15
11-09-2013, 05:47 PM
wasn't expecting this type of development this early. He could be a complete beast. Lets see how he develops.

lol, please
11-09-2013, 05:56 PM
He will regress. Book it.

RipCity32
11-09-2013, 06:02 PM
Looks amazing so far this year.

John Walls Era
11-09-2013, 06:07 PM
IIRC last week we already concluded he would be a HOF.

hugepatsfan
11-09-2013, 06:18 PM
I didn't think he would be this good on offense. I thought he'd be an 18-20 PPG scorer that could reach 22 in his best years.

Swashcuff
11-09-2013, 06:27 PM
He will regress. Book it.

Well when you have a PER of 31+ its almost a certainty. Him regressing to 20 and 12 with 3 blocks and 3 assists and maybe 1.5 steals a game is borderline superstar numbers. That's extremely impressive for a player his age.

Miltstar
11-09-2013, 06:31 PM
Got him at 11 in my fantasy draft :) him JWALL Blake 123!!

kdspurman
11-09-2013, 06:39 PM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

kdspurman
11-09-2013, 06:40 PM
On a serious note though, I haven't watched him where does he do his damage offensively? I know he had a nice mid range shot, but how's he getting most of his points?

PurpleLynch
11-09-2013, 06:41 PM
He will regress. Book it.

How can you be so sure?

Swashcuff
11-09-2013, 06:42 PM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

:laugh2:

tmacsc2
11-09-2013, 06:42 PM
Lmao what the **** was that? Did that dude just put his finger in his butt?

sunsfan88
11-09-2013, 06:46 PM
Can Eric Bledsoe get some love also?

Averaging 20 pts, 8 assists and 5 rebounds on 50% shooting. Along with a 25 PER.

lol, please
11-09-2013, 06:51 PM
Can Eric Bledsoe get some love also?

Averaging 20 pts, 8 assists and 5 rebounds on 50% shooting. Along with a 25 PER.
Sorry bud, Suns players aren't allowed to get love.

ShockerArt
11-09-2013, 06:52 PM
I didn't think Davis would make the leap this quickly, but I did love his potential. I don't understand why people thought his offense would hold him back? He showed some promising offensive skills as a freshman at Kentucky. I know he didn't look like a future Shaq, but it's not like he looked like a future Mutombo either.

amos1er
11-09-2013, 06:58 PM
This years breakout player for sure. Will likely be an All-Star. Most improved player. And I predict will beat out Dwight for the All NBA first team this year.

SugeKnight
11-09-2013, 07:03 PM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/
w
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****

TeamSeattle
11-09-2013, 07:03 PM
All I know is I just saw the Anthony Davis vine video and I'm scarred for life from it.

SUSPECT.

beasted86
11-09-2013, 07:14 PM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

Jason Collins has company!

ThaDubs
11-09-2013, 07:27 PM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

Wtf

Hawkeye15
11-09-2013, 07:39 PM
I didn't think he would be this good on offense. I thought he'd be an 18-20 PPG scorer that could reach 22 in his best years.

exactly what I thought (think??). Lets see if he can keep this up once defenses really start throwing things at him. He just might, who knows...

ThaDubs
11-09-2013, 07:42 PM
No but really wtf is up with that video? If that is real I will never look at Anthony Davis the same way. Every time I see him I will remember seeing him stripped fully naked lying down on the ground with another man touching his ***.

lol, please
11-09-2013, 07:44 PM
No but really wtf is up with that video? If that is real I will never look at Anthony Davis the same way. Every time I see him I will remember seeing him stripped fully naked lying down on the ground with another man touching his ***.

"He liketed it!" :p

ThaDubs
11-09-2013, 07:46 PM
"He liketed it!" :p

:moon::puke:

sunsfan88
11-09-2013, 07:58 PM
Sorry bud, Suns players aren't allowed to get love.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?843416-Has-Eric-Bledsoe-Looked-Like-A-Starter-To-You

Hulk6
11-09-2013, 08:05 PM
im pretty sure thats a hornets jersey hes lying on

Gators123
11-09-2013, 08:46 PM
wtf did I just watch?

kdspurman
11-09-2013, 09:16 PM
From some reporters on the twitter world, they say a bunch of weird **** goes down like that in the locker room sometimes.

5ass
11-09-2013, 09:19 PM
WTF is my reaction too.

TimeForAHoliday
11-09-2013, 09:24 PM
im pretty sure thats a hornets jersey hes lying on

Those are Kentucky jerseys

RLundi
11-09-2013, 09:31 PM
Still early.

mpiccard661
11-09-2013, 09:34 PM
Guys a beast

b@llhog24
11-09-2013, 09:36 PM
Small sample size. But promising towards my predictions.

AddiX
11-09-2013, 10:30 PM
Damn man, just when I was becoming a Fan of Anthony Davis...

http://m.imgur.com/8zRENGJ

I never wanna look at this mother fer again.

5ass
11-09-2013, 11:01 PM
Damn man, just when I was becoming a Fan of Anthony Davis...

http://m.imgur.com/8zRENGJ

I never wanna look at this mother fer again.
Im pretty sure hes too embarassed to look at himself right now.

hugepatsfan
11-10-2013, 01:46 AM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

Did I just watch someone get finger raped?

Sadds The Gr8
11-10-2013, 03:12 AM
loooooool at that video. he got fingered in his *** hole

Clippersfan86
11-10-2013, 03:14 AM
I've long suspected Davis was gay... that video confirms. Anyways he's been VERY impressive. Small sample vs mostly bad teams sure... but it's clear that he has an insane skillset. I admit I didn't see him as such a good scorer... but will readily admit he's proving me wrong so far. I never doubted his future as a rebounder+defender.. it's the scoring that's shocking to me. I thought he's be a perennial 17-19 ppg player and peak at say 22-23 ppg for a season or two.. but that may be too low.

UPRock
11-10-2013, 03:39 AM
I'm depressed, he's ****ing 20, like me.

Vinny642
11-10-2013, 05:06 AM
Gotta love the Lottery but that video... lmao wtf

JNA17
11-10-2013, 09:40 AM
But according to my sig, he is weak. This is all lies I tell ya!

D-Leethal
11-10-2013, 09:53 AM
I'm depressed, he's ****ing 20, like me.

I used to feel that way. Now I'm 25 and feel even worse.

D-Leethal
11-10-2013, 09:54 AM
But according to my sig, he is weak. This is all lies I tell ya!

Reminds me of the Durant talk when he couldn't lift the bar at the combine.

tredigs
11-10-2013, 10:06 AM
Reminds me of the Durant talk when he couldn't lift the bar at the combine.

Haha it had 45's on it. The kid could lift the bar, c'mon now.

As far as AD, I don't feel like it's too soon to call him one of the best players in the game. I saw a huge season from him coming, but he's exceeding my expectations. An absolute beast.

Edit: 45's and a 25 on it.

JNA17
11-10-2013, 11:32 AM
Reminds me of the Durant talk when he couldn't lift the bar at the combine.

Can someone post a video of that idiot radio sports analyst that made a big deal about Durant not being able to lift 180 and why the teams would regret drafting him because of it? He was also all over Greg Oden's nuts in the video too.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. :laugh:

Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulSsTbflGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

These kind of people should never get jobs involved in sports media.

Vinny642
11-10-2013, 12:10 PM
Can someone post a video of that idiot radio sports analyst that made a big deal about Durant not being able to lift 180 and why the teams would regret drafting him because of it? He was also all over Greg Oden's nuts in the video too.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. :laugh:

Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulSsTbflGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

These kind of people should never get jobs involved in sports media.

Kind of like Mel Kiper, from the NFL, dude is straight up a joke

Sly Guy
11-10-2013, 02:38 PM
I will always disrespect him because of his freakishly small hands

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 02:43 PM
hes been really good, but 47% just isnt going to cut it, he needs to be around 52 for me personally. every other area of his game, including his offensive rebounding has been impressive

D_Rose1118
11-10-2013, 02:48 PM
I knew he would be this good and was pretty adamant about it. Dude is a monster. Mini mix of KG and Bill Russell.

okay he is doing great, but relax...

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 02:51 PM
okay he is doing great, but relax...

"mini mix"

Vinny642
11-10-2013, 06:15 PM
hes been really good, but 47% just isnt going to cut it, he needs to be around 52 for me personally. every other area of his game, including his offensive rebounding has been impressive

Lmaooo best PER in the league..... just saying.

And plus he is a jump shooter as well. So I am perfectly fine with 47, and it most certainly will cut it

wowzah
11-10-2013, 06:54 PM
He's a big man. The media and especially the fans don't like big men. It's not sexy. The only way for him to get serious love is to win titles. That's just all there is to it.

FOBolous
11-10-2013, 06:57 PM
But according to my sig, he is weak. This is all lies I tell ya!

Davis hasn't even played Center this season. The Center position in NO is being split between Jason Smith and Greg Stiemsma. When Davis did play Center last season, he struggled big time. So I don't know why you keep talking about Davis as if he's a Center. He's not. Do you even watch your own team (i assume you're a NO fan)? Here are the box score to all of NO's game this season if you don't believe me:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488938
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488954
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488928
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488908
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488894
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488884

so yea...keep me in your sig. lol. i really don't care. because you're only letting everyone know how ******** YOU are thinking Davis is a Center.

and he IS weak. i stand by what i said 100%. again, he was abused as a Center last year. He's playing PF right now. Watch him start struggling again when Ryan Anderson returns and Davis moves back to being a Center. He's going to get push around and overpowered, again, in the post by players 40 pounds heavier than him. Roy Hibbert is going to have a field day with him in the post. mark my words. put THIS in your Sig.

and this is why New Orleans should trade Anderson for Asik. With Asik, Davis can stay in his natural PF position where he CLEARLY excels at with one of the best defensive bigs in the league watching his back....while Houston can have a stretch 4 to compliment Dwight Howard.

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 07:13 PM
Lmaooo best PER in the league..... just saying.

And plus he is a jump shooter as well. So I am perfectly fine with 47, and it most certainly will cut it

oh ok, so ur fine with Davis's poor offense, at the 4 position, because he is a jump shooting big

are you aware that for 5 of Kg's last 7 seasons, as a "jump shooting big" he has shot well over 47%?

but lets give AD a pass :rolleyes:

Chronz
11-10-2013, 07:32 PM
His offensive rebounding and turnover rates are too great to be complaining about his efficiency.

tredigs
11-10-2013, 07:40 PM
oh ok, so ur fine with Davis's poor offense, at the 4 position, because he is a jump shooting big

are you aware that for 5 of Kg's last 7 seasons, as a "jump shooting big" he has shot well over 47%?

but lets give AD a pass :rolleyes:

Well, you're clueless. 23 ppg on a 56% TS is right in line with peak Garnett as far as scoring goes. It's actually a higher volume on better efficiency than all but one of Garnett's seasons (which it's nearly identical to). He's shooting a lot of FT's and hitting them at virtually the same clip as Durant (~88%). And most bigs aren't taking 17 field goal attempts a game. It's harder to post 52% FG on that volume. Every year KG shot >17 FGA's he was between 46-49% FG along with worse from the line.

And like Chronz brought up above me, he boards on that end and has a ridiculously low turnover rate. If I had a complaint, it's playmaking ability. But "poor offense" and this level of production do not go together.

wowzah
11-10-2013, 07:41 PM
We don't need the numbers guys. Those things said Prime Garnett was about as good a player as Prime Tim Duncan, but on tape and head to head Duncan crapped on him.

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 07:44 PM
Well, you're clueless. 23 ppg on a 56% TS is right in line with peak Garnett as far as scoring goes. It's actually a higher volume on better efficiency than all but one of Garnett's seasons (which it's nearly identical to). He's shooting a lot of FT's and hitting them at virtually the same clip as Durant (~88%). And most bigs aren't taking 17 field goal attempts a game. It's harder to post 52% FG on that volume. Every year KG shot >17 FGA's he was between 46-49% FG along with worse from the line.

And like Chronz brought up above me, he boards on that end and has a ridiculously low turnover rate. If I had a complaint, it's playmaking ability. But "poor offense" and this level of production do not go together.

cant believe i actually posted "poor offense", that was a mistake on my part. but i still stand by saying he is not as efficient as he should be

i dont get into advanced statistics, a big shooting sub 50% doesnt fly for me at all. not saying it wont be improved, but thats the area that i find a weakness in

Chronz
11-10-2013, 08:00 PM
We don't need the numbers guys. Those things said Prime Garnett was about as good a player as Prime Tim Duncan, but on tape and head to head Duncan crapped on him.

We need numbers when numbers are being used in an attempt to critique a players game.

And TD's numbers were always better

wowzah
11-10-2013, 08:03 PM
We need numbers when numbers are being used in an attempt to critique a players game.

And TD's numbers were always better

Didn't Garnett average more PPG and Win Shares in his best seasons? But he wasn't half the player as TD.

Chronz
11-10-2013, 08:03 PM
i dont get into advanced statistics, a big shooting sub 50% doesnt fly for me at all. not saying it wont be improved, but thats the area that i find a weakness in
Why doesn't it fly with you?

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 08:15 PM
Why doesn't it fly with you?

the guy is averaging 17 shots a game, and only makes 8

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 08:39 PM
the guy is averaging 17 shots a game, and only makes 8

Simple question.

What do you rather a player who scores more points or a player who makes more shots from the field?

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 08:41 PM
Simple question.

What do you rather a player who scores more points or a player who makes more shots from the field?

neither

i wouldnt want an inneficient offensive player on my team. i already have to suffer through derrick rose and his volume shooting, not to mention joahim noah's playoff fg% and lol deng

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 08:47 PM
neither

i wouldnt want an inneficient offensive player on my team. i already have to suffer through derrick rose and his volume shooting, not to mention joahim noah's playoff fg% and lol deng

Okay since you want to be difficult I'll ask you an easier question.

Who wins at the end of a basketball game. The team that scores more points or the team that scores more field goals?

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 08:50 PM
Okay since you want to be difficult I'll ask you an easier question.

Who wins at the end of a basketball game. The team that scores more points or the team that scores more field goals?

the team with less points

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 08:55 PM
the team with less points

When you're ready to have a mature conversation about basketball you can let me know.

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 09:00 PM
When you're ready to have a mature conversation about basketball you can let me know.

when you see a team with eric gordon, treke evans, holiday, players capabale of creating their own shot, and you realize its stupid to try to justify a volume shooting big man, then you can talk to me about basketball

Chronz
11-10-2013, 09:41 PM
the guy is averaging 17 shots a game, and only makes 8

Im familiar with the math.

kobe4thewinbang
11-10-2013, 10:13 PM
Only problem is his team. Put him on a contender, and it'd be real interesting.

ThaDubs
11-10-2013, 10:16 PM
cant believe i actually posted "poor offense", that was a mistake on my part. but i still stand by saying he is not as efficient as he should be

i dont get into advanced statistics, a big shooting sub 50% doesnt fly for me at all. not saying it wont be improved, but thats the area that i find a weakness in

Why, because they prove people like you wrong? Advanced stats are great.

Clippersfan86
11-11-2013, 12:44 AM
What I don't get is how he dominates something vicious statistically but still loses to bad teams. Pelicans have a lot of talent, what gives?

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 12:56 AM
What I don't get is how he dominates something vicious statistically but still loses to bad teams. Pelicans have a lot of talent, what gives?

The Suns seem to have our number so far. Im not sure why Rivers played at all, but I didnt watch the game, so I have no clue what went on aside from stats.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 12:58 AM
Davis hasn't even played Center this season. The Center position in NO is being split between Jason Smith and Greg Stiemsma. When Davis did play Center last season, he struggled big time. So I don't know why you keep talking about Davis as if he's a Center. He's not. Do you even watch your own team (i assume you're a NO fan)? Here are the box score to all of NO's game this season if you don't believe me:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488938
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488954
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488928
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488908
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488894
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488884

so yea...keep me in your sig. lol. i really don't care. because you're only letting everyone know how ******** YOU are thinking Davis is a Center.

and he IS weak. i stand by what i said 100%. again, he was abused as a Center last year. He's playing PF right now. Watch him start struggling again when Ryan Anderson returns and Davis moves back to being a Center. He's going to get push around and overpowered, again, in the post by players 40 pounds heavier than him. Roy Hibbert is going to have a field day with him in the post. mark my words. put THIS in your Sig.

and this is why New Orleans should trade Anderson for Asik. With Asik, Davis can stay in his natural PF position where he CLEARLY excels at with one of the best defensive bigs in the league watching his back....while Houston can have a stretch 4 to compliment Dwight Howard.

Whiny Rocket fan is whining again..... there is one reason why you want Ryno for Asik.... because you know with Asik you guys arent contenders because him and Dwight mesh like crap. And Ryno would be the perfect fit for the Rockets, and possibly put them over the top.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 01:31 AM
Whiny Rocket fan is whining again..... there is one reason why you want Ryno for Asik.... because you know with Asik you guys arent contenders because him and Dwight mesh like crap. And Ryno would be the perfect fit for the Rockets, and possibly put them over the top.

first of all...big talk for a fan of a team who has almost no chance of getting into the playoffs.

and second of all...Ryan Anderson and Anthony Davis meshes just as bad as Howard and Asik. Howard and Asik doesn't work on offense...Davis and Anderson* won't work on defense.

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 01:36 AM
first of all...big talk for a fan of a team who has almost no chance of getting into the playoffs.

and second of all...Ryan Anderson and Anthony Davis meshes just as bad as Howard and Asik. Howard and Asik doesn't work on offense...Davis and Anthony won't work on defense.

Davis and Anthony?

PurpleJesus
11-11-2013, 01:39 AM
Only problem is his team. Put him on a contender, and it'd be real interesting.

Or put him on the Pelicans and see if he can help them reach relevance. Davis is a guy you build around, so it will be fun to watch his progression as a player and what pieces are put around him.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 01:55 AM
Davis and Anthony?

Anderson*

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 02:05 AM
first of all...big talk for a fan of a team who has almost no chance of getting into the playoffs.

and second of all...Ryan Anderson and Anthony Davis meshes just as bad as Howard and Asik. Howard and Asik doesn't work on offense...Davis and Anderson* won't work on defense.

Incorrect and ignorant, and has nothing to do with anything.

And Ryno and Davis meshes pretty decently compared to the disaster show you like to call your Big men. You are just petty you arent going to get Ryno

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 02:06 AM
Or put him on the Pelicans and see if he can help them reach relevance. Davis is a guy you build around, so it will be fun to watch his progression as a player and what pieces are put around him.

People seem to forget the team is filled with young players..... let them grow together and get their chemistry up, and they will be something to look at in the future.

JNA17
11-11-2013, 02:10 AM
Incorrect and ignorant, and has nothing to do with anything.

And Ryno and Davis meshes pretty decently compared to the disaster show you like to call your Big men. You are just petty you arent going to get Ryno

Ignore him, trust me. Just look at my sig.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 02:16 AM
Ignore him, trust me. Just look at my sig.

It is embarrassing... its funny he says Center. But Davis is the PF, and can play C during certain rotations. I am glad he is more athletic, wtf do I want a fat center for? What has Perkins done lately?

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 02:36 AM
Incorrect and ignorant, and has nothing to do with anything.

And Ryno and Davis meshes pretty decently compared to the disaster show you like to call your Big men. You are just petty you arent going to get Ryno .

incorrent and ignorant? yea i would say the same thing too if my team has little to no chance of making the playoffs so i'll let you have that one.

lol. and i find it funny that a fan of a losing team is calling a winning team a "disaster show." but ok. whatever helps you get though the night. i don't even have to try to think of a comeback because this in itself is funny enough.


It is embarrassing... its funny he says Center. But Davis is the PF, and can play C during certain rotations. I am glad he is more athletic, wtf do I want a fat center for? What has Perkins done lately?

your buddy, JNA17, is the one that insist that Davis is a Center and in that post, i was explainig to him why Davis wouldn't work as a center. your buddy JNA17 also thinks Lamar Odom started at PF for the Lakers.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 02:42 AM
incorrent and ignorant? yea i would say the same thing too if my team has little to no chance of making the playoffs so i'll let you have that one.

lol. and i find it funny that a fan of a losing team is calling a winning team a "disaster show." but ok. whatever helps you get though the night.



your buddy, JNA17, is the one that insist that Davis is a Center and in that post, i was explainig to him why Davis wouldn't work as a center.

Lmaoo nothing of substance..... you can keep bringing up this obsession with us not being contenders.... but at the end of the day, you guys wont be representing the West in the Finals either.... so keep being petty that we arent going to give you the guy you need to be a contender... keep that Asik-Dwight show together... I promise you, you guys still wont do much....

And hows Harden's defense going?..... Ohhh did I hit a sore spot?

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 02:45 AM
And I didnt come into the season with Championship hopes, I just want this to be a year where the team comes together... its going pretty good right now. SO trust me, im good.

Crackadalic
11-11-2013, 02:51 AM
He's going to be a superstar really soon. Love the kids game

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 02:55 AM
Lmaoo nothing of substance..... you can keep bringing up this obsession with us not being contenders.... but at the end of the day, you guys wont be representing the West in the Finals either.... so keep being petty that we arent going to give you the guy you need to be a contender... keep that Asik-Dwight show together... I promise you, you guys still wont do much....

lol..ok. we'll still do more than you'll do :shrug:


And hows Harden's defense going?..... Ohhh did I hit a sore spot?

lol no not really. this will bother me if it's coming from a fan of a contending team, but since it's coming from a Pelicans fan...:shrug:

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:00 AM
And I didnt come into the season with Championship hopes, I just want this to be a year where the team comes together... its going pretty good right now. SO trust me, im good.

ok. well good luck. i'm not going to lie, you have a talented team, and Davis definitely have superstar potential (only as a PF tho :D). i've said this before but I think NO is a darkhorse for the 8th playoff spot.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 03:03 AM
Davis hasn't even played Center this season. The Center position in NO is being split between Jason Smith and Greg Stiemsma. When Davis did play Center last season, he struggled big time. So I don't know why you keep talking about Davis as if he's a Center. He's not. Do you even watch your own team (i assume you're a NO fan)? Here are the box score to all of NO's game this season if you don't believe me:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488938
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488954
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488928
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488908
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488894
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488884

so yea...keep me in your sig. lol. i really don't care. because you're only letting everyone know how ******** YOU are thinking Davis is a Center.

and he IS weak. i stand by what i said 100%. again, he was abused as a Center last year. He's playing PF right now. Watch him start struggling again when Ryan Anderson returns and Davis moves back to being a Center. He's going to get push around and overpowered, again, in the post by players 40 pounds heavier than him. Roy Hibbert is going to have a field day with him in the post. mark my words. put THIS in your Sig.

and this is why New Orleans should trade Anderson for Asik. With Asik, Davis can stay in his natural PF position where he CLEARLY excels at with one of the best defensive bigs in the league watching his back....while Houston can have a stretch 4 to compliment Dwight Howard.

Yup and this is completely wrong.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH17.HTM#bypos

Davis shot better at the, rebounded better, scored at a better rate and all and all had a much better PER while playing the C last season. As for being abused I'd hardly call 17.8 points per 48 minutes against being abused, especially given the simple fact that opposing Cs averaged 17.7 points per 48 minutes (http://www.82games.com/1213/12HOU21.HTM#bypos) against Asik last season.

As for Davis being weak dude is like 20 lbs heavier than he was at the end of last season and has been credited by his staff for really putting the work in for bulking up and really getting stronger. It's showing in his game thus far this season.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 03:10 AM
Im being trolled right now, right? There is NO way this is a serious poster

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:35 AM
Im being trolled right now, right? There is NO way this is a serious poster

more serious than your buddy who think Davis is starting at Center for NO right now and that Lamar Odom started at PF for the Lakers.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 03:40 AM
more serious than your buddy who think Davis is starting at Center for NO right now and that Lamar Odom started at PF for the Lakers.

I dont have BUDDIES on here, and I doubt it, I am more than certain you are a troll, or at least an amateur troll

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:44 AM
I dont have BUDDIES on here, and I doubt it, I am more than certain you are a troll, or at least an amateur troll

lol..why? cause i'm not offended by insults from a fan of a team that might not even make the playoffs? would i be a more "serious" poster and less of a "troll" if i get mad and insult you back?

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 03:45 AM
more serious than your buddy who think Davis is starting at Center for NO right now and that Lamar Odom started at PF for the Lakers.

Aren't you the dude who said Davis was abused while playing the C and that he struggled big time last year when he did? That's probably even worse than someone considering him a C.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 04:38 AM
Yup and this is completely wrong.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH17.HTM#bypos

Davis shot better at the, rebounded better, scored at a better rate and all and all had a much better PER while playing the C last season. As for being abused I'd hardly call 17.8 points per 48 minutes against being abused, especially given the simple fact that opposing Cs averaged 17.7 points per 48 minutes (http://www.82games.com/1213/12HOU21.HTM#bypos) against Asik last season.

As for Davis being weak dude is like 20 lbs heavier than he was at the end of last season and has been credited by his staff for really putting the work in for bulking up and really getting stronger. It's showing in his game thus far this season.

if you don't count the game where Davis only played 19 minutes, Davis averaged 40% FG vs Houston last year. And he did not score over 10 pts in any game he played vs Houston. He struggled vs Asik. period. the per 48 minutes stats you posted is misleading and honestly...17 ppg per 48 minutes SUCKS. Even Andrea Bargnani averaged more ppg per 48 minutes.

and where did you get the idea that Davis bulked up by 20 pounds? There were reports that stated he looked bigger and suggested he possibly gained 10-12 pounds but 20 pounds? naaah. but anways, he's still listed as 220 pounds according to ESPN, NBA, Yahoo, and Basketball-Reference.


Aren't you the dude who said Davis was abused while playing the C and that he struggled big time last year when he did? That's probably even worse than someone considering him a C.

aren't you the guy that thinks 17 ppg per 48 min is "good?" yea.


I dont have BUDDIES on here, and I doubt it, I am more than certain you are a troll, or at least an amateur troll

oh and JNA17, you like how Vinny was going to gang up on me with you but he disowned you right away as soon as he realized how wrong you were? i hope you never take me off your sig.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 08:40 AM
if you don't count the game where Davis only played 19 minutes, Davis averaged 40% FG vs Houston last year. And he did not score over 10 pts in any game he played vs Houston. He struggled vs Asik. period. the per 48 minutes stats you posted is misleading and honestly...17 ppg per 48 minutes SUCKS. Even Andrea Bargnani averaged more ppg per 48 minutes.

Sad thing here is that you don't even understand stats, haha. It's really funny that you'd think that 17 points per 48 is bad against Cs is bad when the league average for Cs was 19.0 points per 48. Now remember this is a rookie playing a position he never played before in his life. My brother if you don't understand statistics or know what you're talking about please don't ramble on.

You comparing what AD did against Houston while conveniently leaving out one of his games haha. Either way, AD averaged 12 points per game last season, so its nothing to scream about that he averaged 8 against you guys, wait until you see him this year, see if he still averages 8.


and where did you get the idea that Davis bulked up by 20 pounds? There were reports that stated he looked bigger and suggested he possibly gained 10-12 pounds but 20 pounds? naaah. but anways, he's still listed as 220 pounds according to ESPN, NBA, Yahoo, and Basketball-Reference.

And according to those sites players like Spencer Hawes and Kevin Love who lost weight over the past 2 seasons haven't loss anything at all. So yeah let's go with those sites right, who pay attention to a player's stats and not his weight/height. Remember Paul George is still listed as 6'8 210 on BBRef despite the fact that he grew two inches and gained like 15 lbs.

In September Anthony Davis said he gained 10-12 pounds which put him around 230-2 but against the Bobcats it was said on NBATV that he actually put on close to 20 lbs more than he weighed last season. I see that you said that Davis weight some 40 lbs less that the average Centre, the average weight of the C is 260 lbs? Correct yourself he weighs 230 which is 20 lbs less than the average C at 250 and despite that he was still a stellar C defensive.


aren't you the guy that thinks 17 ppg per 48 min is "good?" yea.


Not just that but I'm the guy who just proved everything you said to be wrong. 2 points per 48 better than his counterparts. Yea I'd take that.

PurpleLynch
11-11-2013, 09:20 AM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/
Oh my goodness. Made my day,thank you sir.

PurpleLynch
11-11-2013, 09:36 AM
This is off topic,but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXSRlyR8bU

Just for you,FObolous,and your atrocious sig.

1-800-STFU
11-11-2013, 11:01 AM
he'll probably be getting some shine after this :laugh:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/11/09/naked-anthony-davis-gets-butt-slapped-vine-video/

Glorious

b@llhog24
11-11-2013, 11:28 AM
Why are Pelicans and Rockets fan having a beef?

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 11:40 AM
Why are Pelicans and Rockets fan having a beef?

I honestly don't know. I honestly don't have any beef with them. Our team aren't rivals. The only reason why I'm responding is to defend myself from their constant barrage of personal attacks.

But yea, this all started cause I suggested Asik for Anderson is a good trade for both teams. they got REALLY mad when I suggested that. No joke. This is literally why it all started. Go back a few pages...right when I suggested this trade is when Vinny started blasting me. I can also show you the thread when JNA17 got really mad too and insisted Davis is a center and Odom started at PF for LA after I suggested the Asik/Anderson trade. I never seen people get soooooo angry over a trade idea before.

So I guess the moral of all these is, unless you want to get on the bad side of pelicans fans, don't suggest that trade. Suggesting that trade to them is like saying the "n" word to a black person.

hugepatsfan
11-11-2013, 12:09 PM
Yup and this is completely wrong.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH17.HTM#bypos

Davis shot better at the, rebounded better, scored at a better rate and all and all had a much better PER while playing the C last season. As for being abused I'd hardly call 17.8 points per 48 minutes against being abused, especially given the simple fact that opposing Cs averaged 17.7 points per 48 minutes (http://www.82games.com/1213/12HOU21.HTM#bypos) against Asik last season.

As for Davis being weak dude is like 20 lbs heavier than he was at the end of last season and has been credited by his staff for really putting the work in for bulking up and really getting stronger. It's showing in his game thus far this season.

I think a better way to determine if he can play C would be to look up head to head stats against the more traditional Cs. MIA uses Bosh at C a lot so when he played them the numbers would count for him playing C but really he's going against another PF. Same thing w/ KG playing C last year.

Do you know if there's a way to look that up? I don't think anyone here is denying he can play C in spurts in certain lineups. I just wonder if his size hinders him when he goes against the Chandlers, Howards, etc. I know there aren't too many of those guys left in the NBA but there are some and if the goal is to build a title contender eventually the team is going to have to be built to get through them.

LeperMessiah
11-11-2013, 12:11 PM
Well when you have a PER of 31+ its almost a certainty. Him regressing to 20 and 12 with 3 blocks and 3 assists and maybe 1.5 steals a game is borderline superstar numbers. That's extremely impressive for a player his age.

Sounds like a KG to me.

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 12:12 PM
he will regress only b/c of overuse and playing a lot of minutes.

his efficiency is not that great but he should get better with better players around him.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 12:15 PM
I think a better way to determine if he can play C would be to look up head to head stats against the more traditional Cs. MIA uses Bosh at C a lot so when he played them the numbers would count for him playing C but really he's going against another PF. Same thing w/ KG playing C last year.

Do you know if there's a way to look that up? I don't think anyone here is denying he can play C in spurts in certain lineups. I just wonder if his size hinders him when he goes against the Chandlers, Howards, etc. I know there aren't too many of those guys left in the NBA but there are some and if the goal is to build a title contender eventually the team is going to have to be built to get through them.

I don't know of any way you can look them up directly I mean like isolating the games in which he directly matched up against opposing Cs. I do know however how to isolate the games in which he matched up against Duncan's team while Duncan was on the floor (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-Tim-Duncan|203076,1495;year=201213;season=r). For one reason or another however NBA.com stopped updating this part of their site. So I really don't know of anywhere that we can find individual isolated match-ups for free. PSK or Chronz would probably know however.

I do think his size would hinder him against bigger stronger low post Cs, but against face up Cs who really don't use their size down low he should fair fine and well on offense he's a mismatch nightmare seeing that he has a plus jumper and he's MUCH faster than your average C.

Sly Guy
11-11-2013, 12:16 PM
Only problem is his team. Put him on a contender, and it'd be real interesting.

This. As far as we all know, he could be a product of the fact he's relied upon to do so much for his team. I'm sure I don't have to go all 'mike james' on you to exemplify that. Sure, he looks good but 1, it's early in his career 2, he's on a bad team, and 3, it's very early in the season.

flea
11-11-2013, 12:16 PM
Vinny is probably just annoyed that Rockets fans keep suggesting the same stupid trade as if it's reasonable. I'm not saying Anderson is miles better than Asik at all, but he fits exactly what the philosophy of the Pelicans is, whereas Asik doesn't.

The Pelicans decided to pay (probably overpay) Anderson - not Asik. Just because the Rockets have buyer's remorse doesn't mean the Pelicans do too if it benefits the Rockets.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 12:18 PM
Sad thing here is that you don't even understand stats, haha. It's really funny that you'd think that 17 points per 48 is bad against Cs is bad when the league average for Cs was 19.0 points per 48. Now remember this is a rookie playing a position he never played before in his life. My brother if you don't understand statistics or know what you're talking about please don't ramble on.

You comparing what AD did against Houston while conveniently leaving out one of his games haha. Either way, AD averaged 12 points per game last season, so its nothing to scream about that he averaged 8 against you guys, wait until you see him this year, see if he still averages 8.

dude. 17 ppg per 48 min is bad no matter how you sllice it...you have players like Imam Shumpert that's not known for his offense averaging 20+ ppg per 48 minutes. JaVale McGee averages 24 ppg per 48 minutes. Asik, who is TERRIBLE on offense and has NO offensive skillsets what-so-ever, averages 16 ppg per 48 minutes. 17 ppg per 48 minutes is BAD. Either way, no matter how much ppg you average, if the efficiency isn't there, it means nothing. And his efficiency vs Houston is horrible.


And according to those sites players like Spencer Hawes and Kevin Love who lost weight over the past 2 seasons haven't loss anything at all. So yeah let's go with those sites right, who pay attention to a player's stats and not his weight/height. Remember Paul George is still listed as 6'8 210 on BBRef despite the fact that he grew two inches and gained like 15 lbs.

In September Anthony Davis said he gained 10-12 pounds which put him around 230-2 but against the Bobcats it was said on NBATV that he actually put on close to 20 lbs more than he weighed last season. I see that you said that Davis weight some 40 lbs less that the average Centre, the average weight of the C is 260 lbs? Correct yourself he weighs 230 which is 20 lbs less than the average C at 250 and despite that he was still a stellar C defensive.

so rumors, eye tests, and gossip > official listings. got it.


Not just that but I'm the guy who just proved everything you said to be wrong. 2 points per 48 better than his counterparts. Yea I'd take that.

lol ok

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 12:20 PM
Sounds like a KG to me.

KG will always be the better passer but at the age of 20 AD is already more impressive than a very impressive 20 year old KG.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 12:22 PM
Vinny is probably just annoyed that Rockets fans keep suggesting the same stupid trade as if it's reasonable. I'm not saying Anderson is miles better than Asik at all, but he fits exactly what the philosophy of the Pelicans is, whereas Asik doesn't.

The Pelicans decided to pay (probably overpay) Anderson - not Asik. Just because the Rockets have buyer's remorse doesn't mean the Pelicans do too if it benefits the Rockets.

see...this makes sense. THIS is literally all you have to say for me to understand why NO isn't open to this trade, a trade that is good according to conventional basketball knowledge, and for me to back off on this trade idea instead of personal attacks or instead of trying to convince me, and themselves, that Davis is a Center and will do well vs elite Centers in the league.

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 12:26 PM
see...this makes sense. THIS is literally all you have to say for me to understand why NO isn't open to this trade and for me to back off on this trade idea instead of personal attacks or instead of trying to convince me, and themselves, that Davis is a Center and will do well vs elite Centers in the league.

I don't see why they don't play Motiejunas instead of Asik? Asik should be coming off the bench. Motiejunas is the better fit.

They are literally playing the best stat filling players in their starting 5. Anderson spreads the floor for Davis, which makes sense.

flea
11-11-2013, 12:28 PM
Davis probably is a center down the line just as much as Duncan or KG or Bosh are centers. He's got the size for it, for sure.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 12:28 PM
dude. 17 ppg per 48 min is bad no matter how you sllice it...you have players like Imam Shumpert that's not known for his offense averaging 20+ ppg per 48 minutes. JaVale McGee averages 24 ppg per 48 minutes. Asik, who is TERRIBLE on offense and has NO offensive skillsets what-so-ever, averages 16 ppg per 48 minutes. 17 ppg per 48 minutes is BAD. Either way, no matter how much ppg you average, if the efficiency isn't there, it means nothing. And his efficiency vs Houston is horrible.

Again. If you don't understand statistics please don't comment on it. In case you need reminding Asik averaged 17.7 points per 48 against last. So essentially by calling AD a poor defender and 17 a poor number you're saying that Asik is a poor defender.

You also don't realize how bad you're making yourself sound. If Asik who is so horrible offensive averages 16 points per 48 doesn't that then mean that AD allowing 17 points per 48 is a good number. Common sense bro.

Saying 17 points per 48 is bad is like saying shooting 42% from the 3 is a bad thing. Sad thing is because you don't understand how stats work you won't understand that.


so rumors, eye tests, and gossip > official listings. got it.

Rumors? Anthony Davis HIMSELF said that he gained 10-12 points and according to NBA OFFICIALS at the start of the season he gained near 20 lbs of course that's more than "listings" which are always going to be innacurate. Alec Burks is currently listed as 190 on BBref the same as his rookie season but any Jazz fan would tell you that Burks has gained over 15 lbs since coming into the league. Burks would tell you that the Jazz from office you tell you that, but hey let's trust an inaccurate listing on a site that focus isn't on weight or height but rather stats.


lol ok

It's sad if you took the time to understand the stats you'd probably learn something, you rather however keep your ignorant view of it and act as if its fact. Never criticize that which you don't understand.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 12:35 PM
Davis probably is a center down the line just as much as Duncan or KG or Bosh are centers. He's got the size for it, for sure.

actually, this i disagree with. he doesn't have the height nor the strength to succeed as a Center imo. PFs who does well at the C are either 250 pounds < or is around 7 foot. Davis is neither. He CAN succeed at Center but he has to bulk up BIG TIME before he can....and even then, some of them still struggle vs elite Cs in the league. Miami's struggle vs elite Cs is well documented. This may be a problem in the future because there seems to be a handful of young Cs in the league who has the potential to be really good a few years down the line.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 12:36 PM
Again. If you don't understand statistics please don't comment on it. In case you need reminding Asik averaged 17.7 points per 48 against last. So essentially by calling AD a poor defender and 17 a poor number you're saying that Asik is a poor defender.

You also don't realize how bad you're making yourself sound. If Asik who is so horrible offensive averages 16 points per 48 doesn't that then mean that AD allowing 17 points per 48 is a good number. Common sense bro.

Saying 17 points per 48 is bad is like saying shooting 42% from the 3 is a bad thing. Sad thing is because you don't understand how stats work you won't understand that.



Rumors? Anthony Davis HIMSELF said that he gained 10-12 points and according to NBA OFFICIALS at the start of the season he gained near 20 lbs of course that's more than "listings" which are always going to be innacurate. Alec Burks is currently listed as 190 on BBref the same as his rookie season but any Jazz fan would tell you that Burks has gained over 15 lbs since coming into the league. Burks would tell you that the Jazz from office you tell you that, but hey let's trust an inaccurate listing on a site that focus isn't on weight or height but rather stats.



It's sad if you took the time to understand the stats you'd probably learn something, you rather however keep your ignorant view of it and act as if its fact. Never criticize that which you don't understand.

i throw this right back at you.

/post

p.s. your logic after that sentence makes no sense.

flea
11-11-2013, 12:42 PM
actually, this i disagree with. he doesn't have the height nor the strength to succeed as a Center imo. PFs who does well at the C are either 250 pounds < or is around 7 foot. Davis is neither. He CAN succeed at Center but he has to bulk up BIG TIME before he can....and even then, some of them still struggle vs elite Cs in the league. Miami's struggle vs elite Cs is well documented. This may be a problem in the future because there seems to be a handful of young Cs in the league who has the potential to be really good a few years down the line.

This isn't 1995. The Heat just won back to back titles with a bean pole for a center and no real backup. The problem isn't that Bosh can't defend big men, it's that he's asked to shoulder the entire load. He's a very skilled defensive player though, and I thought he did a good job even against the Pacers.

But still, I think Davis will continue to start and play the majority of his time at PF, like Duncan. Later in his career he'll defend whichever big is more skilled, and then we'll have PSD threads asking whether it's fair to compare Davis to Barkely/Malone/KG because of all the defensive responsibilities he has (just like the Duncan ones).

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 12:47 PM
i throw this right back at you. /post. and your logic after that sentence makes no sense.

Why don't you reply to the rest of the post? Because of how foolish it makes you sound. You said a HORRIBLE offensive player averages 16 points per 48. That directly would mean that if someone holds opposing players who 17 that it MUST say something about 17 being a solid defensive number. Asik allowed 17.7, Noah allowed 16.3, Drummond allowed 20.9, HIBBERT allowed 18.9 (the anchor for the best defensive team and best paint D in the league), your boy Howard allowed 16.7, DPOY Marc Gasol allowed 16.5, former DPOY Tyson Chandler allowed 17.5, DeAndre Jordan allowed 18.7 and Tim Duncan allowed 16.4.

I guess since all those players allowed at our around 17 PPG and more that its indeed a HORRIBLE number and all those players are HORRIBLE defensive players.

Dude just be a man admit you were wrong and move on.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: @ allowing 17 points per 48 being a BAD D. You dudes crack me up.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 12:49 PM
actually, this i disagree with. he doesn't have the height nor the strength to succeed as a Center imo. PFs who does well at the C are either 250 pounds < or is around 7 foot. Davis is neither. He CAN succeed at Center but he has to bulk up BIG TIME before he can....and even then, some of them still struggle vs elite Cs in the league. Miami's struggle vs elite Cs is well documented. This may be a problem in the future because there seems to be a handful of young Cs in the league who has the potential to be really good a few years down the line.

The average C in today's NBA is 6'10 Anthony Davis is 6'10 with 7'4 wingspan. What do you mean he doesn't have the length. :laugh2:

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 12:52 PM
Why don't you reply to the rest of the post? Because of how foolish it makes you sound. You said a HORRIBLE offensive player averages 16 points per 48. That directly would mean that if someone holds opposing players who 17 that it MUST say something about 17 being a solid defensive number. Asik allowed 17.7, Noah allowed 16.3, Drummond allowed 20.9, HIBBERT allowed 18.9 (the anchor for the best defensive team and best paint D in the league), your boy Howard allowed 16.7, DPOY Marc Gasol allowed 16.5, former DPOY Tyson Chandler allowed 17.5, DeAndre Jordan allowed 18.7 and Tim Duncan allowed 16.4.

I guess since all those players allowed at our around 17 PPG and more that its indeed a HORRIBLE number and all those players are HORRIBLE defensive players.

Dude just be a man admit you were wrong and move on.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: @ allowing 17 points per 48 being a BAD D. You dudes crack me up.

because it's not worth responding to and i don't feel like responding to you anymore. if you want to insist 17 ppg per 48 minutes is good and completely ignore his efficiency, than so be it. i rather respond to flea who's offering a more mature discussion than you.

p.s. i moved on.


This isn't 1995. The Heat just won back to back titles with a bean pole for a center and no real backup. The problem isn't that Bosh can't defend big men, it's that he's asked to shoulder the entire load. He's a very skilled defensive player though, and I thought he did a good job even against the Pacers.

But still, I think Davis will continue to start and play the majority of his time at PF, like Duncan. Later in his career he'll defend whichever big is more skilled, and then we'll have PSD threads asking whether it's fair to compare Davis to Barkely/Malone/KG because of all the defensive responsibilities he has (just like the Duncan ones).

Hibbert, who never averaged more than 14 ppg in his life before, averaged 22 ppg vs Miami in the playoffs. He averaged 14 ppg prior to play Miami in the playoffs that year. Miami's inability to defend the C made Hibbert looked like a Center from the years of yore and ALMOST lost at the result.

and i agree with the 2nd half of your post. and i still really think he needs to bulk up before that happens.

wowzah
11-11-2013, 01:00 PM
This isn't 1995. The Heat just won back to back titles with a bean pole for a center and no real backup. The problem isn't that Bosh can't defend big men, it's that he's asked to shoulder the entire load. He's a very skilled defensive player though, and I thought he did a good job even against the Pacers.

But still, I think Davis will continue to start and play the majority of his time at PF, like Duncan. Later in his career he'll defend whichever big is more skilled, and then we'll have PSD threads asking whether it's fair to compare Davis to Barkely/Malone/KG because of all the defensive responsibilities he has (just like the Duncan ones).

It has nothing to do with it being 2013. It has everything to do with there are no dominant big men in the NBA today. Not one. None. Prime Duncan would have shat on Miami and probably swept them in the Finals last year.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 01:05 PM
because it's not worth responding to and i don't feel like responding to you anymore. if you want to insist 17 ppg per 48 minutes is good and completely ignore his efficiency, than so be it. i rather respond to flea who's offering a more mature discussion than you.

You know what's sad you don't even UNDERSTAND what I'm talking about, you don't understand stats nor do you understand what I am speaking of. You said Davis was man handled when he played the C and I brought up his D stating that he ALLOWED 17 points per 48 minutes. Operative word here ALLOWED, definition of the word allow "let (someone) have or do something" on the defensive end among Cs Davis was one of the better defenders per 48.

No matter how many times you've seen the word allowed apparently you seem incapable of understanding it. You don't understand the stats but I can tell why you aren't able to comprehend the smallest of words.

On offense Davis averaged 22.8 points per 48 at the C, not 17. I seriously almost spit out my yogurt laughing at what I just read. You really don't understand the stats don't you.

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 01:23 PM
It has nothing to do with it being 2013. It has everything to do with there are no dominant big men in the NBA today. Not one. None. Prime Duncan would have shat on Miami and probably swept them in the Finals last year.

then the Heat would have gotten a better center if this league had better bigs. OR if Wade was prime Wade, Duncan would have fouled out. I mean there is no point is stating such trivial things. The league does not have great quality and dominating big men but the game is changing to faster big and more athletic mobile big men.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 01:31 PM
@ FOBolous I'll put this as simply as I can for you to understand and maybe you can tell me if Davis is as horrible as you initially stated.

per48 minutes last season

Anthony Davis averaged 22.8 points at an eFG% of 56.8 along with 14.2 rebounds and 3.4 blocks while playing the C oh and not forgetting a PER of 25.9. Opposing Cs who he matched up against while playing the C averaged just 17.8 points per 48. Remember at league average starting Cs last season averaged 19.0 points per 48. So per 48 Davis was better than the average C on offense and on D and his D was actually on par with some of the better Cs in the NBA.

I hope that is easy enough for you to understand. So now I ask you a simple question.

Do you still think Anthony Davis struggled big time and was abused while he played the C?

wowzah
11-11-2013, 01:40 PM
then the Heat would have gotten a better center if this league had better bigs. OR if Wade was prime Wade, Duncan would have fouled out. I mean there is no point is stating such trivial things. The league does not have great quality and dominating big men but the game is changing to faster big and more athletic mobile big men.

I disagree completely. An all time great big man is going to destroy Chris Bosh. It doesn't matter if Wade was healthy or not. Would have been a sweep. Big men are just as important today as ever it's just that there aren't any great ones around. The reason there aren't any great big men is because the talent pool is so small. There are only so few 7 footers out there. Finding one who has skill in such a small batch is next to impossible.

Stinkyoutsider
11-11-2013, 01:46 PM
If the Pelicans do some damage as a team this year, Davis will get some respect from everyone. Right now, he's probably happy he's under the radar? He can continue to develop his game and help his team win games.

I thought he would be a defensive specialist with an ability to hit a spot up jumper. But this kind of production is great so far. He's doing work on both ends and he's in a real comfort zone. He doesn't have to worry about carrying the team offensively and he can play to his strengths because he's got some talent with Holliday, Gordon, and Evans around him to help.

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 02:01 PM
I disagree completely. An all time great big man is going to destroy Chris Bosh. It doesn't matter if Wade was healthy or not. Would have been a sweep. Big men are just as important today as ever it's just that there aren't any great ones around. The reason there aren't any great big men is because the talent pool is so small. There are only so few 7 footers out there. Finding one who has skill in such a small batch is next to impossible.

you do fail to realize one you are totally ignoring all types of adjustments the team would have made if there was greater big men in this league. I mean all you're doing is holding everything the same and bring up Tim Duncan into his prime - which is pretty much a ridiculous assumption to make already. Just pause and think about that for a second.

wowzah
11-11-2013, 02:08 PM
you do fail to realize one you are totally ignoring all types of adjustments the team would have made if there was greater big men in this league. I mean all you're doing is holding everything the same and bring up Tim Duncan into his prime - which is pretty much a ridiculous assumption to make already. Just pause and think about that for a second.

If there was a great big man today there isn't much you can do about it. Honestly, there isn't. When Shaq was in his prime teams wanted to stop Shaq, but Shaq didn't give a crap. He dominated. When Duncan was a one man wrecking crew in 2002-2003 he won the title basically by himself. You can't just say hey we are going to adjust and contain this big man. It doesn't work that they.

Chronz
11-11-2013, 02:21 PM
I have no clue what the argument has devolved into. Anyone care to fill me in, short and sweet version?

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 02:21 PM
If there was a great big man today there isn't much you can do about it. Honestly, there isn't. When Shaq was in his prime teams wanted to stop Shaq, but Shaq didn't give a crap. He dominated. When Duncan was a one man wrecking crew in 2002-2003 he won the title basically by himself. You can't just say hey we are going to adjust and contain this big man. It doesn't work that they.

if Duncan can lose in the playoffs, and he has, many times, teams can make adjustments. How about the years in between his championship years, did he not dominate as well? or Shaq losing to Detroit in 2004 to Detroit.

Good team defense can stop any team or one player on a team.

wowzah
11-11-2013, 02:24 PM
if Duncan can lose in the playoffs, and he has, many times, teams can make adjustments. How about the years in between his championship years, did he not dominate as well? or Shaq losing to Detroit in 2004 to Detroit.

Good team defense can stop any team or one player on a team.

You cannot always win and Duncan came within 2 plays of winning 5 straight titles. Fishers desperation shot and Manu's ill advised foul.

My original point was The Heat would have been swept by a prime Duncan. Their frontcourt with Bosh and company could not handle him.

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 02:50 PM
My god FOBolous... stop trying to argue with people about **** you don't understand.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:04 PM
My god FOBolous... stop trying to argue with people about **** you don't understand.

what exactly am i wrong about? that Davis haven't played Center this year yet, Odom did not start at PF for the Lakers, or Davis need to bulk up if he wants to have sustained success at playing Center vs top Centers in the game?

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:09 PM
I have no clue what the argument has devolved into. Anyone care to fill me in, short and sweet version?

Pelicans got REALLY mad at my suggestion of a Asik/Anderson trade. Claims Davis will be fine at Center. I disagree saying Davis, as he currently is, is does not have the size or the strength to have sustained success vs elite centers in the league. I think he needs to bulk up if he wants to have sustained success vs elite Centers. Swashcuff tried to prove me wrong by saying Davis averages 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik and thinks 17 ppg per 48 min is good. ThaDubs apparently agrees with them?

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 03:17 PM
Pelicans got REALLY mad at my suggestion of a Asik/Anderson trade. Claims Davis will be fine at Center. I disagree saying Davis, as he currently is, is does not have the size or the strength to have sustained success vs elite centers in the league. I think he needs to bulk up if he wants to have sustained success vs elite Centers. Swashcuff tried to prove me wrong by saying Davis averages 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik and thinks 17 ppg per 48 min is good. ThaDubs apparently agrees with them?

My freaking lord. I read through all of the posts between you two, and if this is all you took from what Swash said to you, I think you genuinely have a problem with your brain.

flea
11-11-2013, 03:19 PM
Yeah I don't know why FOB is harping on that still. He's only looking at Davis vs. Asik for some reason, and completely discounting every other game Davis played at center (where he actually had better numbers, according to Swash's link). Can anyone say sample size?

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 03:23 PM
You cannot always win and Duncan came within 2 plays of winning 5 straight titles. Fishers desperation shot and Manu's ill advised foul.

My original point was The Heat would have been swept by a prime Duncan. Their frontcourt with Bosh and company could not handle him.

thanks for your opinion. its not fact. so get over it.

wowzah
11-11-2013, 03:26 PM
thanks for your opinion. its not fact. so get over it.

Over what?

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 03:30 PM
Yeah I don't know why FOB is harping on that still. He's only looking at Davis vs. Asik for some reason, and completely discounting every other game Davis played at center (where he actually had better numbers, according to Swash's link). Can anyone say sample size?

i ignored the link because his link doesn't disprove my assertion that Davis struggled vs ELITE CENTERS in the game. it shows how he does overall but not vs ELITE CENTERS. And I keep harping about Asik vs Davis because that's what HE keeps harping bout and its the main example HE brought up to use against me. and the reason he used that against me (Davis averages 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik and 17 ppg per 48 min is good and since he did that vs Asik therefore Davis did well against Asik so Davis can play well against elite Centers in the league) is just dumb. 17 ppg per 48 min is bad and that's pretty much what all elite centers in the league holds their opponents at and that was what Asik held Davis at.

and really...i don't know why all of you are so worked up over me saying that Davis can't have sustained success vs elite centers when Ryan Anderson comes back and needs to bulk up if he wants to consistently play well vs elite Centers. Anthony Davis HIMSELF acknowledges that this is an area he needs to work on and has made gaining weight one of his focus during the off season...he even expressed frustration over how hard it is to gain weight due to his metabolism in interviews.

seriously, based on what I see in this thread, the Pelicans have THE most sensitive, insecure fan base (or at least the 3 Pelicans fans in this thread) in the NBA. One critique of their player and they act like you just said the "n" word to a black guy and come at you like a swarm of bees. It's not like I'm saying Davis sucks, downplayed how well he's been playing, and refusing to acknowledge he has superstar potential. He's good, has been playing well in his natural PF position, and definitely has superstar potential.

PurpleLynch
11-11-2013, 03:53 PM
I just watched a 3 minutes loop of Davis gettin' spanked. It was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in a while.

koreancabbage
11-11-2013, 04:35 PM
Over what?

that it may not have happened. lol.

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 05:23 PM
There is one Pelicans fan in this thread...

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 05:30 PM
Here's the thing: Anthony Davis averages 37 minutes per game compared to Asik's 23. So of course Asik is going to average about the same amount of points seeing as 48 minutes is over two games to Asik. So basically using the per 48 stat with Asik is ****ing pointless and ridiculous.

b@llhog24
11-11-2013, 05:35 PM
AD is a natural PF. But if Spencer Hawes qualifies as a starting C; then I'd trust him defensively over Hawes.

kdspurman
11-11-2013, 05:50 PM
I just watched a 3 minutes loop of Davis gettin' spanked. It was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in a while.

:laugh:

Really looks like he's enjoying himself at least.

FlashBolt
11-11-2013, 05:51 PM
I cannot discuss Anthony Davis any longer. This is sick.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 06:56 PM
Here's the thing: Anthony Davis averages 37 minutes per game compared to Asik's 23. So of course Asik is going to average about the same amount of points seeing as 48 minutes is over two games to Asik. So basically using the per 48 stat with Asik is ****ing pointless and ridiculous.

first of all, we were comparing stats from last year. Davis hasn't really played center this year yet.

Second of all, I wasnt the one that started comparing the per 48 minutes stats of both players. He was. I'm guessing it's because what Davis actually averaged vs Asik is bad...he failed to score over 10 points in any of the games vs Asik last year. either way, 17 ppg per 48 minutes is bad.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 07:38 PM
Pelicans got REALLY mad at my suggestion of a Asik/Anderson trade. Claims Davis will be fine at Center. I disagree saying Davis, as he currently is, is does not have the size or the strength to have sustained success vs elite centers in the league. I think he needs to bulk up if he wants to have sustained success vs elite Centers. Swashcuff tried to prove me wrong by saying Davis averages 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik and thinks 17 ppg per 48 min is good. ThaDubs apparently agrees with them?

Dude are you serious right now.

You lack any sort of common sense and you're still going on saying garbage that isn't true.

Anthony Davis averaged 22.8 points per 48 mins while playing the C last season NOT 17. Use your brain. That is if you have one.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 07:40 PM
first of all, we were comparing stats from last year. Davis hasn't really played center this year yet.

Second of all, I wasnt the one that started comparing the per 48 minutes stats of both players. He was. I'm guessing it's because what Davis actually averaged vs Asik is bad...he failed to score over 10 points in any of the games vs Asik last year. either way, 17 ppg per 48 minutes is bad.

HE DID NOT AVERAGE 17 points he averaged 22.8. You're making yourself look like an imbecile by not being able to comprehend BASIC Math. My word I never knew there were Houston fans like you. MBT makes all of you look good.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 07:53 PM
i ignored the link because his link doesn't disprove my assertion that Davis struggled vs ELITE CENTERS in the game. it shows how he does overall but not vs ELITE CENTERS. And I keep harping about Asik vs Davis because that's what HE keeps harping bout and its the main example HE brought up to use against me. and the reason he used that against me (Davis averages 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik and 17 ppg per 48 min is good and since he did that vs Asik therefore Davis did well against Asik so Davis can play well against elite Centers in the league) is just dumb. 17 ppg per 48 min is bad and that's pretty much what all elite centers in the league holds their opponents at and that was what Asik held Davis at.

and really...i don't know why all of you are so worked up over me saying that Davis can't have sustained success vs elite centers when Ryan Anderson comes back and needs to bulk up if he wants to consistently play well vs elite Centers. Anthony Davis HIMSELF acknowledges that this is an area he needs to work on and has made gaining weight one of his focus during the off season...he even expressed frustration over how hard it is to gain weight due to his metabolism in interviews.

seriously, based on what I see in this thread, the Pelicans have THE most sensitive, insecure fan base (or at least the 3 Pelicans fans in this thread) in the NBA. One critique of their player and they act like you just said the "n" word to a black guy and come at you like a swarm of bees. It's not like I'm saying Davis sucks, downplayed how well he's been playing, and refusing to acknowledge he has superstar potential. He's good, has been playing well in his natural PF position, and definitely has superstar potential.

Haha so now the argument has changed to ELITE CENTRES :laugh2: This child is a piece of work.

Anthony Davis averaged 22.8 per 48 against ALL Cs. You wanna talk about elite Cs? Let's talk.

Here is what happened when Davis matched up against some of the "elite Cs"


Value FG% TS% ORtg DRtg PTS TRB
Milwaukee 0.769 0.825 136 121 28 11
Portland 0.561 0.589 123 102 18 8.7
LA Clippers 0.571 0.571 118 120 17.5 7
LA Lakers 0.559 0.617 123 101 16.3 7.7
San Antonio 0.556 0.619 123 103 16.3 8.5
Memphis 0.537 0.556 106 97 16 13
Charlotte 0.448 0.458 97 105 15.5 10.5
Utah 0.677 0.693 137 101 15.3 8.3
Chicago 0.462 0.524 110 89 15 10
Sacramento 0.6 0.64 142 115 14.7 8
Cleveland 0.389 0.55 130 106 14.5 8.5
Orlando 0.444 0.468 102 106 14.5 13
Washington 0.5 0.635 121 83 14.5 7.5
Golden State 0.524 0.571 111 107 14.3 11
Phoenix 0.588 0.654 110 94 14 2
Minnesota 0.583 0.632 120 113 13.8 5
Denver 0.55 0.585 123 113 13.5 8
Toronto 0.462 0.494 93 102 13.5 7.5
New York 0.462 0.454 108 110 13 8

He scored 28 against Sanders and Sammy D, 17.5 against the Clippers, 17 against your boy Dwight Howard, 15 against Noah, 16 against Gasol and 16 against Duncan. Hell I'll let the numbers do the talking.

The reason you ignore the link is because you're afraid to admit that you were wrong, why can't you just be a man admit you mistake and move on. Instead you're acting like a child.

Chronz
11-11-2013, 07:56 PM
So the argument basically boils down to what? If Davis can play center or if he can defend the position at a high level?

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 07:57 PM
So earlier in the thread FOB said that Davis struggled big time on offense at the C last season and got abused on D. He has since been proven wrong and refuses to respond to the posts that proves his notions wrong, instead he goes on posting the same typed vomit about the wrong stats that he clearly didn't understand saying Davis averaged 17 per 48 when he actually averaged 23 and what's even worse now he's saying that Davis can't person against ELITE Cs, completely changing his argument. I mean seriously what is this dude's problem with Davis, admit you were wrong about the man's play last season and move on.

He had a PER of 25.9 while playing the C last season, if that's a struggle and getting beaten I'd want Spencer Hawes to struggle every single season for my 76ers.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 07:58 PM
So the argument basically boils down to what? If Davis can play center or if he can defend the position at a high level?

Not just if he can but also if he played good last season in his stints at C, FOB thinks Davis was horrible at C everyone else thinks he's wrong.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 08:10 PM
So the argument basically boils down to what? If Davis can play center or if he can defend the position at a high level?

pretty much.

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 08:21 PM
Dude are you serious right now.

You lack any sort of common sense and you're still going on saying garbage that isn't true.

Anthony Davis averaged 22.8 points per 48 mins while playing the C last season NOT 17. Use your brain. That is if you have one.

I think that was like the 5th time you've told him that :laugh:

ThaDubs
11-11-2013, 08:27 PM
Lol FOB gets the dick, ignores it.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 08:27 PM
I think that was like the 5th time you've told him that :laugh:

I am absolutely certain you'd see him in other threads saying that Davis averaged 17 points per 48 last season at the C and he is so horrible. Ignorance is bliss and he is indeed blissful.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 08:33 PM
Lol FOB gets the dick, ignores it.

I'm at work right now on my phone so I can't sit here and write long in depth rebuttals. Only short responses right now. The only thing I'm going to say right now is Andrea bergnani averaged that amount ppg per 48 min too. And 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik is what swash himself said Davis averaged vs Asik.

Swashcuff
11-11-2013, 08:36 PM
I'm at work right now on my phone so I can't sit here and write long in depth rebuttals. Only short responses right now. The only thing I'm going to say right now is Andrea bergnani averaged that amount ppg per 48 min too. And 17 ppg per 48 min vs Asik is what swash himself said Davis averaged vs Asik.

You must be trolling me or the densest person on PSD. This is a short post Davis averaged 22.8 per 48 not 17 I DARE you to reply to that because I NEVER said Davis averaged 17.

FOBolous
11-11-2013, 09:51 PM
and honestly, this is getting too long and dawn out. we've been arguing for several pages. i'm getting worn out. this is the longest disucssion i ever had on PSD. Here's something that will end the debate once and for all. Here is how the league's best scoring Centers did vs NO when Davis played Center:

Dwight Howard averaged 19 points and 59.9% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17.1 pts on 57.8% shooting

Brook Lopez made 26 pts and shot 66.7% from the field against NO vs his season average of 19.4 pts on 52.1% shooting.

Al Jefferson averaged 16.25 pts on 53.5% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17.8 pts on 49.4% shooting

DeMarcus Cousins averaged 22.5 pts on 51.6% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17 pts on 46.5% shooting


As you can see, elite Centers in the league routinely have above average games vs Davis. If Davis wants to succeed vs elite Centers in the league, he has to bulk up. period...something even HE knows this and has made a priority in the off season.

/debate

Chronz
11-11-2013, 09:59 PM
Not just if he can but also if he played good last season in his stints at C, FOB thinks Davis was horrible at C everyone else thinks he's wrong.

pretty much.

Couldn't he have done pretty good offensively but struggled defensively? Thats pretty much what I made of his rookie season. I mean Amare Stoudemire was masquerading as a center back in the day, he was All-NBA first team IIRC at the position, but he still sucked balls defensively and the team suffered for it.

Vinny642
11-11-2013, 10:36 PM
This crap is still going on?

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 09:08 AM
and honestly, this is getting too long and dawn out. we've been arguing for several pages. i'm getting worn out. this is the longest disucssion i ever had on PSD. Here's something that will end the debate once and for all. Here is how the league's best scoring Centers did vs NO when Davis played Center

Well this is a lie. Haha every single game in which Davis played against the Lakers Robin Lopez was the starting C and actually played more minutes than Davis did.


Dwight Howard averaged 19 points and 59.9% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17.1 pts on 57.8% shooting

Davis didn't play C against Dwight. He played the PF Davis was the C, either way you "numbers" are inaccurate.


Brook Lopez made 26 pts and shot 66.7% from the field against NO vs his season average of 19.4 pts on 52.1% shooting.

Let's put this game into context. Davis had 5 blocks in that game, 2 of which came against Brook Lopez. Lopez played 32 minutes, 16 of which Davis was on the floor, in those 16 minutes he averaged 13.5 points and shot 50% from the field per 36 minutes. In other words he scored just 6 of his 26. He shot 3 of 6 from the field against Davis and was blocked TWICE. Worst yet he had a +/- of -15.

When Davis went to the bench in the other 16 minutes he scored 20 points shooting 75% from the field. That's a 14 point differential when Davis went to the bench while shooting at a much better percentage.

In other words Davis had his way with Lopez.

Oh and here is the link (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-Brook-Lopez|203076,201572;year=201213;season=r) for my FACTS.


Al Jefferson averaged 16.25 pts on 53.5% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17.8 pts on 49.4% shooting

Again Robin Lopez started all the games against Jefferson. Coincidentally however Davis averaged as many as Jefferson while shooting 68% from the field all while playing just 22 minutes per game.

For your correction Jefferson averaged 15.3 ppg against the Hornets when Davis played. Not 16.25.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=davisan02&p2=jeffeal01

that's when they played against one another. But what about what happened when Davis was on the floor.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-Al-Jefferson|203076,2744;year=201213;season=r

Davis ATE HIS FOOD while Jefferson scored 25% less points and shot 35% worse from the field. Davis outplayed him big time on both ends of the floor absolutely putting him to shame.


DeMarcus Cousins averaged 22.5 pts on 51.6% shooting against NO vs his season average of 17 pts on 46.5% shooting

for the 3rd time your stats are wrong.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=davisan02&p2=couside01

Once more, every single game in which Davis played against Boogie, Lopez was the starting C.

But hey just for argument's sake lets see what Boogie did when Davis was patrolling the paint on D.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-DeMarcus-Cousins|203076,202326;year=201213;season=r

Boogie averaged 16 points LESS with Davis on the floor while shooting 6% worse. Davis however averaged 25 points per 36 when Boogie was on the floor. In other words HE ATE HIS FOOD.


As you can see, elite Centers in the league routinely have above average games vs Davis.

As you can see everything you said was wrong. The stats you quoted was wrong and your opinion was wrong.

Davis played 11 games against those 4 Cs you mentioned. 10 of those 11 games Robin Lopez was the starting C. Davis started the PF not the C. That didn't change the fact however that when he was on the floor those Cs performed MUCH worse than they did when he was off.

Thanks for further proving your incompetence as a poster and building Davis's stock as a defensive player.


If Davis wants to succeed vs elite Centers in the league, he has to bulk up. period...something even HE knows this and has made a priority in the off season.

As a rookie Davis already succeeded greatly against elite Centers in the league. The 2nd part of your statement is true, he needs to bulk up some more. Another 20 lbs or so and he'd probably be the best big man in the game if he can maintain his mobility and continue his improvements on both ends of the floor. Could you imagine if he was so successful against those Cs when he was at 220 what he'd be able to do at 260+. He'd be an absolute BEAST of a basketballer.


/debate

This isn't a debate. You are incapable of debating anything. I can bet anything that you wont quote this post or respond to anything that I have posted in it because you are afraid to admit that you were wrong from the inception. You have been proven wrong on every single post you made in this thread but yet still you continue to spew ignorance.

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 09:12 AM
Couldn't he have done pretty good offensively but struggled defensively? Thats pretty much what I made of his rookie season. I mean Amare Stoudemire was masquerading as a center back in the day, he was All-NBA first team IIRC at the position, but he still sucked balls defensively and the team suffered for it.

I don't understand what you mean when you say struggled. Do you mean struggled with his potential or struggled as compared to his ability. I honestly saw no such thing, he was absolutely solid on both ends of the floor, IMO he had his ups and downs defensively (as he did offensively) but for the most part when he was on the floor his impact was noticeable.

FOBolous
11-12-2013, 01:19 PM
Well this is a lie. Haha every single game in which Davis played against the Lakers Robin Lopez was the starting C and actually played more minutes than Davis did.



Davis didn't play C against Dwight. He played the PF Davis was the C, either way you "numbers" are inaccurate.

In pretty much all the games NO played last year, Davis started at PF and Robin started at C. HOWEVER, the lineup that NO ended using through the most of the games was the lineup with the Anderson/Davis front court. Because of that, i assumed this was the case in all the games. Clearly I was wrong. I made the mistake of now looking at the stats in context. So let's go back and check the stats of each Center in which both Davis and Anderson played an extended amount of time and put all of the numbers in context.

Only in one of the games NO played against the LAL last year did Davis played more than 22 minutes. In that game, Dwight still did better than his season average scoring 19 pts and and shooting 69% from the field. And when NO put the Anderson/Howard frontcourt in the game, they were -6: http://bkref.com/tiny/VIAUh


Let's put this game into context. Davis had 5 blocks in that game, 2 of which came against Brook Lopez. Lopez played 32 minutes, 16 of which Davis was on the floor, in those 16 minutes he averaged 13.5 points and shot 50% from the field per 36 minutes. In other words he scored just 6 of his 26. He shot 3 of 6 from the field against Davis and was blocked TWICE. Worst yet he had a +/- of -15.

When Davis went to the bench in the other 16 minutes he scored 20 points shooting 75% from the field. That's a 14 point differential when Davis went to the bench while shooting at a much better percentage.

In other words Davis had his way with Lopez.

Oh and here is the link (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-Brook-Lopez|203076,201572;year=201213;season=r) for my FACTS.


first of all...all the NBA.com stats you posted means nothing because you made the same mistake I did which is looking at the numbers without context.

and how did you figured all that all that? Great job on the blocks by Davis. But in that game, Davis barely played at Center: http://bkref.com/tiny/aEjpG The Anderson/Davis lineup, while extremely potent offensively, was only used for 2.7 minute in that game. The only reason why I could think of as to why the coach stuck with Davis at PF and Lopez at the C through most of the game despite the Anderson/Lopez front court being better offensively overall in the season is because the coach did not have faith in Davis' ability to guard Lopez.


Again Robin Lopez started all the games against Jefferson. Coincidentally however Davis averaged as many as Jefferson while shooting 68% from the field all while playing just 22 minutes per game.

For your correction Jefferson averaged 15.3 ppg against the Hornets when Davis played. Not 16.25.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=davisan02&p2=jeffeal01

that's when they played against one another. But what about what happened when Davis was on the floor.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-Al-Jefferson|203076,2744;year=201213;season=r

Davis ATE HIS FOOD while Jefferson scored 25% less points and shot 35% worse from the field. Davis outplayed him big time on both ends of the floor absolutely putting him to shame.

again, you made the mistake i did of not putting the numbers in context. as was the case vs the Nets, the Anderson/Davis was barely used. NO stuck with Lopez at the C through most of the games again, I can only assume it's because the coach did not believe in Davis' ability to guard Jefferson 1 on 1.


for the 3rd time your stats are wrong.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=davisan02&p2=couside01

Once more, every single game in which Davis played against Boogie, Lopez was the starting C.

But hey just for argument's sake lets see what Boogie did when Davis was patrolling the paint on D.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Anthony-Davis-vs-DeMarcus-Cousins|203076,202326;year=201213;season=r

Boogie averaged 16 points LESS with Davis on the floor while shooting 6% worse. Davis however averaged 25 points per 36 when Boogie was on the floor. In other words HE ATE HIS FOOD.

and again, as was the case vs Brook Lopez and Jefferson, NO stuck with Lopez at the C. For the same reason I assume.


As you can see everything you said was wrong. The stats you quoted was wrong and your opinion was wrong.

Davis played 11 games against those 4 Cs you mentioned. 10 of those 11 games Robin Lopez was the starting C. Davis started the PF not the C. That didn't change the fact however that when he was on the floor those Cs performed MUCH worse than they did when he was off.

Thanks for further proving your incompetence as a poster and building Davis's stock as a defensive player.

as you can see, you made the same mistake I did which is not putting the numbers in context. But if you did put the numbers in context, it's telling. he coach's lack of faith in Davis playing at Center vs those elite C is telling. Only against one of the elite Cs did NO played Davis at Center for a significant amount of time and during that time, NO was in the negative.


As a rookie Davis already succeeded greatly against elite Centers in the league. The 2nd part of your statement is true, he needs to bulk up some more. Another 20 lbs or so and he'd probably be the best big man in the game if he can maintain his mobility and continue his improvements on both ends of the floor. Could you imagine if he was so successful against those Cs when he was at 220 what he'd be able to do at 260+. He'd be an absolute BEAST of a basketballer.

as a rookie, Davis did NOT succeeded greatly against elite Centers in the league. And I am glad you agree with my assertion, and the argument that I've been trying to make the whole time, which is Davis needs to bulk up. He needs to bulk up if he wants his own coach's confidence in hims to guard elite Cs. Because of the coach's lack of confidence in him, the coach opted not to use the more offensively-potent line up of Anderson/Davis vs those Cs, and, instead, stuck with a traditional C through most of those games.


This isn't a debate. You are incapable of debating anything. I can bet anything that you wont quote this post or respond to anything that I have posted in it because you are afraid to admit that you were wrong from the inception. You have been proven wrong on every single post you made in this thread but yet still you continue to spew ignorance.

dude. how old are you? do you not have the ability to have a mature discussion without attacking the person you're having a discussion with? do you lack so much confidences in your own points you feel the need to add personal insults in your post in an attempt to boost the perception that you're much more "right" than me?

Chronz
11-12-2013, 01:31 PM
I don't understand what you mean when you say struggled. Do you mean struggled with his potential or struggled as compared to his ability. I honestly saw no such thing, he was absolutely solid on both ends of the floor, IMO he had his ups and downs defensively (as he did offensively) but for the most part when he was on the floor his impact was noticeable.
His lack of bulk was a problem, he was miserable defensively, you know its sad when the team is often MUCH better off with Ryan Anderson in his place, his body positioning was that bad, its partly what kept his minutes down. I recall a few complaints/critique from the media and his coach in general. I remember some talk about Duncan just schooling him and him saying hes learning alot about defense in the NBA. There was definitely a growing curve. His biggest problems came on defending spot up threats, looking at the synergy breakdown during the season he seemed to over-help, sometimes needlessly so (like on a non-shooter or a guy whos already being doubled), basically going through what every shot blocker has to learn, when and how to help. He had his strong suits, if hes helping then hes going to prevent some inside looks and he does great in switches/isolation, but team defense is so much more important than 1 on 1 defense, particularly for bigs.

He added more bulk this year and the Coach said something about installing a more aggressive defense tailored for a team with quickness more than size. AD has been a beast this year as a result. I knew it was going to take some time, 1 year for a big to learn NBA positioning is actually quite impressive to me.

A few quick snippets from ESPN on the matter:

Davis had a terrific defensive rebound rate as a rookie, and also was a prolific weakside shot-blocker, though he can probably swat shots at an even higher rate. However, the thin-bodied Davis was muscled by the more mature players he went up against, and Synergy rated him in just the 19th percentile overall as an on-ball defender. The Pelicans were actually better on defense with him off the floor. Davis' top priority was to bulk up over the summer.

That said, his individual offensive brilliance was staggering for a young player, clearly a star in the making. That his team defense was so bad that it mitigated much of that impact isn't a bad omen or anything, its much more important to be offensively advanced than defensively experienced at this point, he can get the experience defensively as he matures, but the offense is something he has to showcase early.

FOBolous
11-12-2013, 01:34 PM
His lack of bulk was a problem, he was miserable defensively, you know its sad when the team is often MUCH better off with Ryan Anderson in his place, his body positioning was that bad, its partly what kept his minutes down. I recall a few complaints/critique from the media and his coach in general. I remember some talk about Duncan just schooling him and him saying hes learning alot about defense in the NBA. There was definitely a growing curve. His biggest problems came on defending spot up threats, looking at the synergy breakdown during the season he seemed to over-help, sometimes needlessly so (like on a non-shooter or a guy whos already being doubled), basically going through what every shot blocker has to learn, when and how to help. He had his strong suits, if hes helping then hes going to prevent some inside looks and he does great in switches/isolation, but team defense is so much more important than 1 on 1 defense, particularly for bigs.

He added more bulk this year and the Coach said something about installing a more aggressive defense tailored for a team with quickness more than size. AD has been a beast this year as a result. I knew it was going to take some time, 1 year for a big to learn NBA positioning is actually quite impressive to me.

A few quick snippets from ESPN on the matter:

Davis had a terrific defensive rebound rate as a rookie, and also was a prolific weakside shot-blocker, though he can probably swat shots at an even higher rate. However, the thin-bodied Davis was muscled by the more mature players he went up against, and Synergy rated him in just the 19th percentile overall as an on-ball defender. The Pelicans were actually better on defense with him off the floor. Davis' top priority was to bulk up over the summer.

That said, his individual offensive brilliance was staggering for a young player, clearly a star in the making. That his team defense was so bad that it mitigated much of that impact isn't a bad omen or anything, its much more important to be offensively advanced than defensively experienced at this point, he can get the experience defensively as he matures, but the offense is something he has to showcase early.

omg thank you so much. i don't know why everyone's getting so mad at me for saying that Davis struggled as a Center and needed to bulk up if he wants to have sustained success at the C. They act like I just said something blasphemous despite the fact that Davis' struggles as a C were well documented last year.

rocket
11-12-2013, 01:44 PM
Drummond not doing bad himself

Chronz
11-12-2013, 01:49 PM
Heres the part I dont really get between you 2, I dont think playing center had much of an influence on the kid. I honestly wouldn't even know how to begin assessing that, I would assume playing center brings him more defensive responsibility and that might in turn make him a lesser overall defender but his struggles were with him playing mostly as a 4.It could be the opposite, maybe he was a better defender when all he had to do was roam ala Dwight Howard, tho it can be argued that perhaps he wasn't allowed to play center that often because of his size. All I know is that the kid struggled with defense in his role his first year. Lack of bulk had something to do with it but I think experience is the biggest factor.

flea
11-12-2013, 01:58 PM
Heres the part I dont really get between you 2, I dont think playing center had much of an influence on the kid. I honestly wouldn't even know how to begin assessing that, I would assume playing center brings him more defensive responsibility and that might in turn make him a lesser overall defender but his struggles were with him playing mostly as a 4.It could be the opposite, maybe he was a better defender when all he had to do was roam ala Dwight Howard, tho it can be argued that perhaps he wasn't allowed to play center that often because of his size. All I know is that the kid struggled with defense in his role his first year. Lack of bulk had something to do with it but I think experience is the biggest factor.

Davis's defense is the main reason he was robbed of the ROY by Lillard. I mean rookies will always miss rotations and do little things like that, but he came into the league as a pretty polished rim protector and maintained that last year. He was better defensively than offensively last year, that's for sure.

FOBolous
11-12-2013, 02:06 PM
Heres the part I dont really get between you 2, I dont think playing center had much of an influence on the kid. I honestly wouldn't even know how to begin assessing that, I would assume playing center brings him more defensive responsibility and that might in turn make him a lesser overall defender but his struggles were with him playing mostly as a 4.It could be the opposite, maybe he was a better defender when all he had to do was roam ala Dwight Howard, tho it can be argued that perhaps he wasn't allowed to play center that often because of his size. All I know is that the kid struggled with defense in his role his first year. Lack of bulk had something to do with it but I think experience is the biggest factor.

thank you thank you thank you

omg lol

like i said, i don't know why everyone's getting so worked up. It's not like I'm saying Davis sucks, downplayed how well he's been playing, and refusing to acknowledge he has superstar potential. He's good, has been playing well in his natural PF position, and definitely has superstar potential. It's not like I've said anything that hasn't been said either in the media about Davis. Both his struggles at the C and the need to bulk up were well documented last year. Nor did I attack made any personal attacks anyone despite the countless insults that were being thrown at me. I was even called a "troll" by Vinny because I wasn't offended when he tried to insult my team and didn't try to insult him back. Certain users, like JNA17, were so adament about proving me wrong that he insisted that Davis is doing what he's doing right now as a Center...he even put me in his sig to "prove" his point. by the way everyone was acting, it was as if i said something about their mom. For awhile there, i thought I was in the PSD twilight zone. Thank you sooo much, Chronz, for being a voice of reason, calm, and sanity.

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 02:20 PM
In pretty much all the games NO played last year, Davis started at PF and Robin started at C. HOWEVER, the lineup that NO ended using through the most of the games was the lineup with the Anderson/Davis front court. Because of that, i assumed this was the case in all the games. Clearly I was wrong. I made the mistake of now looking at the stats in context. So let's go back and check the stats of each Center in which both Davis and Anderson played an extended amount of time and put all of the numbers in context.

Only in one of the games NO played against the LAL last year did Davis played more than 22 minutes. In that game, Dwight still did better than his season average scoring 19 pts and and shooting 69% from the field. And when NO put the Anderson/Howard frontcourt in the game, they were -6: http://bkref.com/tiny/VIAUh

first of all...all the NBA.com stats you posted means nothing because you made the same mistake I did which is looking at the numbers without context.

and how did you figured all that all that? Great job on the blocks by Davis. But in that game, Davis barely played at Center: http://bkref.com/tiny/aEjpG The Anderson/Davis lineup, while extremely potent offensively, was only used for 2.7 minute in that game. The only reason why I could think of as to why the coach stuck with Davis at PF and Lopez at the C through most of the game despite the Anderson/Lopez front court being better offensively overall in the season is because the coach did not have faith in Davis' ability to guard Lopez.

again, you made the mistake i did of not putting the numbers in context. as was the case vs the Nets, the Anderson/Davis was barely used. NO stuck with Lopez at the C through most of the games again, I can only assume it's because the coach did not believe in Davis' ability to guard Jefferson 1 on 1.

and again, as was the case vs Brook Lopez and Jefferson, NO stuck with Lopez at the C. For the same reason I assume.

as you can see, you made the same mistake I did which is not putting the numbers in context. But if you did put the numbers in context, it's telling. he coach's lack of faith in Davis playing at Center vs those elite C is telling. Only against one of the elite Cs did NO played Davis at Center for a significant amount of time and during that time, NO was in the negative.

as a rookie, Davis did NOT succeeded greatly against elite Centers in the league. And I am glad you agree with my assertion, and the argument that I've been trying to make the whole time, which is Davis needs to bulk up. He needs to bulk up if he wants his own coach's confidence in hims to guard elite Cs. Because of the coach's lack of confidence in him, the coach opted not to use the more offensively-potent line up of Anderson/Davis vs those Cs, and, instead, stuck with a traditional C through most of those games.

dude. how old are you? do you not have the ability to have a mature discussion without attacking the person you're having a discussion with? do you lack so much confidences in your own points you feel the need to add personal insults in your post in an attempt to boost the perception that you're much more "right" than me?

Now I'm the one who didn't put the numbers into context, when you were the same poster who said that Davis had major issues playing the C on both ends of the floor. The numbers in which I shared proved that notion wrong.

I posted the numbers over and over and you kept running with an incorrect 17 points per 48 on offense. You are yet to admit to that and I am certain that you'd go in another thread and say the exact same thing.

The context in which I used the numbers from NBA.com wasn't to compare how Davis defended Brook, DeMarcus and Al but rather to show the impact he had when he was on the floor. All three of those "Elite" Cs had a HUGE dip in production when Davis went to the bench.

You said you didn't apply context but in truth and in fact you didn't even post the correct numbers when their teams played. You said that Davis played C in all those games and that those players averaged those numbers against him all which was wrong, that's not just poor context that incorrect information. You attempted to say that those players production was a direct result of Davis's poor D. It was not. The facts in which I posted showed that 3 of the 4 Cs in question production severely dropped when Davis was on the floor.

Chronz
11-12-2013, 02:24 PM
He's good, has been playing well in his natural PF position, and definitely has superstar potential. It's not like I've said anything that hasn't been said either in the media about Davis. Both his struggles at the C and the need to bulk up were well documented last year.


What I got from them was that you overstate the difference between the positions. If hes worse as a 5, hes still going to be a productive force, maybe somewhat less of a defender but its not yet known how he would fare at the position full time. Again, Amare Stoudemire was once an All-NBA Center despite being a **** defender, something tells me AD would do fine. It just might not be worth having your twig big take such a full time beating

Chronz
11-12-2013, 02:29 PM
Davis's defense is the main reason he was robbed of the ROY by Lillard. I mean rookies will always miss rotations and do little things like that, but he came into the league as a pretty polished rim protector and maintained that last year. He was better defensively than offensively last year, that's for sure.
Nothing could be further from the truth, it was his offense that stood out more than anything. Defensively, there was nothing to suggest he was even remotely mediocre on that end. Id say he was a liability more than anything, showed some tools but also got lost alot.

FOBolous
11-12-2013, 02:33 PM
What I got from them was that you overstate the difference between the positions. If hes worse as a 5, hes still going to be a productive force, maybe somewhat less of a defender but its not yet known how he would fare at the position full time. Again, Amare Stoudemire was once an All-NBA Center despite being a **** defender, something tells me AD would do fine. It just might not be worth having your twig big take such a full time beating

fair enough

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 02:35 PM
His lack of bulk was a problem, he was miserable defensively, you know its sad when the team is often MUCH better off with Ryan Anderson in his place, his body positioning was that bad, its partly what kept his minutes down. I recall a few complaints/critique from the media and his coach in general. I remember some talk about Duncan just schooling him and him saying hes learning alot about defense in the NBA. There was definitely a growing curve. His biggest problems came on defending spot up threats, looking at the synergy breakdown during the season he seemed to over-help, sometimes needlessly so (like on a non-shooter or a guy whos already being doubled), basically going through what every shot blocker has to learn, when and how to help. He had his strong suits, if hes helping then hes going to prevent some inside looks and he does great in switches/isolation, but team defense is so much more important than 1 on 1 defense, particularly for bigs.

Like I did say earlier about AD he did indeed have his ups and downs on the defensive end, but what seem to completely fly over your head here is the discussion we are having isn't just about Davis's D on a whole but rather his D on opposing Cs when he did indeed play the C. You know his individual defense on other Cs.


When Davis did play Center last season, he struggled big time. So I don't know why you keep talking about Davis as if he's a Center. He's not. Do you even watch your own team (i assume you're a NO fan)? Here are the box score to all of NO's game this season if you don't believe me:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488938
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488954
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488928
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488908
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488894
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488884

so yea...keep me in your sig. lol. i really don't care. because you're only letting everyone know how ******** YOU are thinking Davis is a Center.

and he IS weak. i stand by what i said 100%. again, he was abused as a Center last year. He's playing PF right now. Watch him start struggling again when Ryan Anderson returns and Davis moves back to being a Center. He's going to get push around and overpowered, again, in the post by players 40 pounds heavier than him. Roy Hibbert is going to have a field day with him in the post. mark my words. put THIS in your Sig.

This is the post that triggered the whole discussion.

The FACTS are however that Davis did not struggle when he played C last season he actually improved his offensive game when he played the C and on D against opposing Cs he did not get killed.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NOH12.HTM#bypos

As 82games.com and Vinny (the lone Pels fan in this thread) already stated Davis HAS played C this year and not just played the C but has played extremely well when he has. As a matter of a fact he has played better on offense as a C than as a PF.

I'll repeat this once more so that you understand. The discussion isn't about anything other than Davis's play when he matched up against Cs. Plain and simple, how he handled himself. By you analysis do you think he was killed by opposing Cs?


He added more bulk this year and the Coach said something about installing a more aggressive defense tailored for a team with quickness more than size. AD has been a beast this year as a result. I knew it was going to take some time, 1 year for a big to learn NBA positioning is actually quite impressive to me.

A few quick snippets from ESPN on the matter:

Davis had a terrific defensive rebound rate as a rookie, and also was a prolific weakside shot-blocker, though he can probably swat shots at an even higher rate. However, the thin-bodied Davis was muscled by the more mature players he went up against, and Synergy rated him in just the 19th percentile overall as an on-ball defender. The Pelicans were actually better on defense with him off the floor. Davis' top priority was to bulk up over the summer.

That said, his individual offensive brilliance was staggering for a young player, clearly a star in the making. That his team defense was so bad that it mitigated much of that impact isn't a bad omen or anything, its much more important to be offensively advanced than defensively experienced at this point, he can get the experience defensively as he matures, but the offense is something he has to showcase early.

I don't know if you have read through the discussion but I think its evident that you didn't.

I haven't said a single word about Davis's team D in this entire thread. The discussion is about how he matched up against opposing Cs in his minutes playing the C. It isn't about his overall defensive value to his team we were strictly discussing his impact against opposing Cs.

Does he have to beef up? Yes. I said that already and he already has done so.

Was he killed by opposing Cs last season? No Did he struggle to produce when he played the C? No and I'd like to see you bring forth data, quotes, stats anything of the sort to disprove that.

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 02:38 PM
Heres the part I dont really get between you 2, I dont think playing center had much of an influence on the kid. I honestly wouldn't even know how to begin assessing that, I would assume playing center brings him more defensive responsibility and that might in turn make him a lesser overall defender but his struggles were with him playing mostly as a 4.It could be the opposite, maybe he was a better defender when all he had to do was roam ala Dwight Howard, tho it can be argued that perhaps he wasn't allowed to play center that often because of his size. All I know is that the kid struggled with defense in his role his first year. Lack of bulk had something to do with it but I think experience is the biggest factor.

Simple question Chronz. I don't have access to Synergy so maybe you can share some stats from there.

In your analysis when Davis matched up against Cs last season did he struggle to score and was he killed by them?

mightybosstone
11-12-2013, 02:47 PM
I called New Orleans a playoff team before the start of the season, and I stick by that prediction until proved otherwise. Davis is the reason why I have such high expectations for that team, and I think it won't be long before he's in the top 5-10 discussion in the NBA. That might happen this season if he stays healthy.

mightybosstone
11-12-2013, 02:51 PM
Simple question Chronz. I don't have access to Synergy so maybe you can share some stats from there.

In your analysis when Davis matched up against Cs last season did he struggle to score and was he killed by them?

According to 82games.com, Davis' numbers last season were actually better at center, while defensively it didn't make much of a difference which position he played. He posted a 25.9 PER at center and a 20.4 PER at PF, while giving up a 21.1 PER to both opposing power forwards and centers.

FlashBolt
11-12-2013, 02:53 PM
I called New Orleans a playoff team before the start of the season, and I stick by both predictions until proved otherwise. Davis is the reason why I have such high expectations for that team, and I think it won't be long before he's in the top 5-10 discussion in the NBA. That might happen this season if he stays healthy.

Great rebounder, young, can hit those freebies, and is a legit defender? He's a top 10 if he keeps it up. I feel people are sleeping on Cousins, though. Dude is averaging 32 minutes a game and putting up 24/10.

Swashcuff
11-12-2013, 03:10 PM
According to 82games.com, Davis' numbers last season were actually better at center, while defensively it didn't make much of a difference which position he played. He posted a 25.9 PER at center and a 20.4 PER at PF, while giving up a 21.1 PER to both opposing power forwards and centers.

An opposing PER of 21.1 is extremely unimpressive. I can most certainly admit to that.

FOBolous
11-12-2013, 03:35 PM
Like I did say earlier about AD he did indeed have his ups and downs on the defensive end, but what seem to completely fly over your head here is the discussion we are having isn't just about Davis's D on a whole but rather his D on opposing Cs when he did indeed play the C. You know his individual defense on other Cs.



This is the post that triggered the whole discussion.

The FACTS are however that Davis did not struggle when he played C last season he actually improved his offensive game when he played the C and on D against opposing Cs he did not get killed.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NOH12.HTM#bypos

As 82games.com and Vinny (the lone Pels fan in this thread) already stated Davis HAS played C this year and not just played the C but has played extremely well when he has. As a matter of a fact he has played better on offense as a C than as a PF.

I'll repeat this once more so that you understand. The discussion isn't about anything other than Davis's play when he matched up against Cs. Plain and simple, how he handled himself. By you analysis do you think he was killed by opposing Cs?



I don't know if you have read through the discussion but I think its evident that you didn't.

I haven't said a single word about Davis's team D in this entire thread. The discussion is about how he matched up against opposing Cs in his minutes playing the C. It isn't about his overall defensive value to his team we were strictly discussing his impact against opposing Cs.

Does he have to beef up? Yes. I said that already and he already has done so.

Was he killed by opposing Cs last season? No Did he struggle to produce when he played the C? No and I'd like to see you bring forth data, quotes, stats anything of the sort to disprove that.

in that post, i was responding to a crazed Pelicans fan (i assumed he's Pelicans fan because of how crazed he was), JNA17, who went COMPLETELY berserk when I suggested that a Anderson for Asik trade is good for both Houston and New Orleans. In his fits of fury, he insisted Davis is doing everything he's doing right now as a Center (evidence in his sig) and that Lamar Odom started at PF for the Lakers (this was a carryover from a different thread). Perhaps, feeling extremely annoyed by this user, I overstated Davis' struggle at the Center by using strong words like "abused." :shrug: sorry my choice of words bothered you that much? but Davis DID experienced challenges at the C and his challenges was caused by his size. Is he talented? yes. Is his skilled? yes. Does he need to bulk up? yes.