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MackShock
11-01-2013, 07:27 PM
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Saturday, December 2nd, 2013
7:30PM Pacific Time

Oracle Arena
The BAY, Californ-I-A
415 510 408 650 925 707

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PROJECTED LINEUPS




The Dubs



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Sacramento Kings



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THE RUNDOWN



MUST. WIN. GAME.
Warriors Home Record: 1-0
Road Record: 0-0



Thread goal: 300 posts

likemystylez
11-01-2013, 07:42 PM
must win game- id like another statement game- cant waste a home loss ont he kings

MackShock
11-01-2013, 08:08 PM
even if we win, i doubt it will be a statement game.

asandhu23
11-01-2013, 10:57 PM
Kings are playing the Flippers tonight. Beat them, Kings!

Leandres_sf
11-01-2013, 11:08 PM
I hope the Warriors thrash the Kings.

MackShock
11-01-2013, 11:17 PM
"Warriors Dethrone Kings"

lol, please
11-02-2013, 01:12 AM
Must win game.

COOLbeans
11-02-2013, 01:14 AM
I hope the Warriors thrash the Kings.

They will destroy them

COOLbeans
11-02-2013, 01:14 AM
**** the kings!

ESaady
11-02-2013, 04:42 AM
Please kill em. Where's Teriot up in this *****? Oooo kill em!

SugeKnight
11-02-2013, 04:59 AM
Please kill em. Where's Teriot up in this *****? Oooo kill em!

Oooo kill em! Ooooo

likemystylez
11-02-2013, 11:30 AM
Kings are playing the Flippers tonight. Beat them, Kings!

they looked better than we did against the clippers. Boguts gonna have to earn his contract extension with cousins in the house. lets ease up on the stupid fouls and save them for when we need them.

Scoots
11-02-2013, 12:13 PM
Defense and rebounding, defense and rebounding, defense and rebounding.

eDush
11-02-2013, 12:50 PM
Cousins played well but it won't last if history repeats. Certainly not worth the max. We just need to keep an eye on Mclemore cause this guy was solid in college and most NBA ready like a Brandon Roy. Contain him and we will win the game standing.

likemystylez
11-02-2013, 01:13 PM
Cousins played well but it won't last if history repeats. Certainly not worth the max. We just need to keep an eye on Mclemore cause this guy was solid in college and most NBA ready like a Brandon Roy. Contain him and we will win the game standing.

I dont even think mclemore is one of my top 5 concerns with the kings. I know he was good in college but LOl so was fredette. Id be more concerned with Cousins, Thomas, Patterson, Thornton, and mike malone

Scoots
11-02-2013, 03:10 PM
Ws have a lot of perimeter defenders, I don't know that we have anyone who can stop the mid range game and if we put players in who can stop Thomas' penetration then we lose offense on the other end. The Kings are long on talent and have been short on leadership, but they have Malone and he knows the Warriors.

hotcurry
11-02-2013, 04:42 PM
Kings always step it up against the warriors, but I see the dubs after a day of rest and a disappointing loss to start out gunning for an early lead. Should be fun, i'll be there 17th row!

Guppyfighter
11-02-2013, 05:40 PM
Thomas on the Kings is really good. Probably their best player currently.

MackShock
11-02-2013, 05:48 PM
Am i the only one that still cringes when Curry falls?

Guppyfighter
11-02-2013, 06:05 PM
Am i the only one that still cringes when Curry falls?

Probably not, but I don't.

MackShock
11-02-2013, 06:20 PM
Probably not, but I don't.

I feel the same about Bogut...

bigmac8675
11-02-2013, 07:28 PM
We got this!!!!!!!!

TrueFan420
11-02-2013, 09:47 PM
Must win

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:01 PM
Dubs looking good

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:04 PM
Green for 3!! They answer though

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:10 PM
Very nice , by Klay.

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:15 PM
Nice d by bazemore

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:22 PM
That's what I'm talking about bogut!

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:24 PM
And 1 by Lee

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:30 PM
Nice ball movement

Guppyfighter
11-02-2013, 11:41 PM
Warriors <3

lol, please
11-02-2013, 11:56 PM
Lee with 4 fouls.

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:05 AM
Iggy!!

MackShock
11-03-2013, 12:18 AM
Keep up the posts Phillies.. Hopefully sugeknight will join. Gotta work tonight n i locked my keys in my trunk... So i can't watch tonight

Leandres_sf
11-03-2013, 12:23 AM
It's great to see a frustrated Demarcus Cousins, Bogut did very well on him tonight.

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:26 AM
Beautiful connection between iggy and Speights

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:36 AM
Lee!!!

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:40 AM
Beautiful. Curry and Lee have a seamless connection.

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:42 AM
Nedovic. :drool:

lol, please
11-03-2013, 12:54 AM
Good win. Time to go 4-0 on this road trip.

MackShock
11-03-2013, 01:39 AM
Statement game? #WERUNNORCAL

bigmac8675
11-03-2013, 05:19 AM
Too easy!

ESaady
11-03-2013, 07:43 AM
Oooo kill em Teriot. Ooooo!

likemystylez
11-03-2013, 10:43 AM
Good win. Time to go 4-0 on this road trip.

3-1 would be alright with me- but they need to go into PHI and blow that team out. The 6ers should not be 3-0.... they are trying to get wiggins for crying out loud..... the heat and the bulls were screwing around against them. warriors are legitimately better- they should win the game by 20.

Goose17
11-03-2013, 12:47 PM
I'll be happy with a 2-2 split, but we're capable of going 4-0.

Philly is playing well above their ceiling, they're like Orlando last year, this won't last.

My biggest concerns aren't actually san antonio, I'm more concerned about Memphis and Minny. Why? Turnovers and rebounds. Both have good defensive point guards that can force Curry to turn the ball over (like he's been doing recently), both have guys that can rebound extremely well. This is exactly what was wrong with the Clippers game, well, that and the weak defensive rotations and slow transition D.

Goose17
11-03-2013, 12:54 PM
Thomson is never going to reach FA in his entire career if he plays like this consistently, pay the man!

Good to see Bogut throwing down lobs, playing hard, getting blocks, going all out, running the floor etc he really does look like he's in the best shape he's been in for years.

Curry had a great first half but started turning it over a lot in the second, I wonder if he just got too comfortable considering we were blowing them out?

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 12:56 PM
The first 2 calls/plays of the game were excellent, and after Bogut made them both a statement was made. Cousins started to spaced out after that....nice. Thanks coach Curry! Call the same play again on the road trip.

Goose17
11-03-2013, 01:16 PM
The first 2 calls/plays of the game were excellent, and after Bogut made them both a statement was made. Cousins started to spaced out after that....nice. Thanks coach Curry! Call the same play again on the road trip.

You realize Jackson called that right?

I guess we know the answer to Jackson v Malone now as well :) He's every bit as awesome as I said he was.


FYI, Klay Thompson, in his 1st 2 home games this year? 65 total points on 69.4% FG%

Leandres_sf
11-03-2013, 01:40 PM
And 53% from 3 :drool:

Scoots
11-03-2013, 02:01 PM
I knew that would be your response Goose :)

I don't think 3 games is enough evidence to answer the Jackson question yet.

Before you go off ... I like the job Jackson has done, I'm just not as sure as you are that we won't regress in some areas this year.

MackShock
11-03-2013, 04:41 PM
3-1 would be alright with me- but they need to go into PHI and blow that team out. The 6ers should not be 3-0.... they are trying to get wiggins for crying out loud..... the heat and the bulls were screwing around against them. warriors are legitimately better- they should win the game by 20.

the chiefs should not be 8-0

Goose17
11-03-2013, 04:53 PM
I knew that would be your response Goose :)

I don't think 3 games is enough evidence to answer the Jackson question yet.


I was talking about the game against Kings specifically. Jacksons coaching > Malones. He called the Bogut plays, he decided the match ups, he played him brilliantly.

You might think it's too early or we can't be sure who did what etc, but I guarantee you the Jackson haters would have been making similar comments if the Kings had won.

TrueFan420
11-03-2013, 05:04 PM
FYI, Klay Thompson, in his 1st 2 home games this year? 65 total points on 69.4% FG%

Klays problem is consistency tho. We need him to put out a night to night stat line. Yes it will naturally flux a little but not this drastically.

Goose17
11-03-2013, 05:08 PM
Klays problem is consistency tho. We need him to put out a night to night stat line. Yes it will naturally flux a little but not this drastically.

Two games out of three is fine by me, 66.6% is pretty consistent.

Scoots
11-03-2013, 05:27 PM
I was talking about the game against Kings specifically. Jacksons coaching > Malones. He called the Bogut plays, he decided the match ups, he played him brilliantly.

You might think it's too early or we can't be sure who did what etc, but I guarantee you the Jackson haters would have been making similar comments if the Kings had won.

I don't disagree Jackson haters would have been all over him had we lost.

Jackson's players > Malone's players

Jackson's players experience playing together and in that system > Malone's players experience playing together and in that system

likemystylez
11-03-2013, 05:53 PM
Klays problem is consistency tho. We need him to put out a night to night stat line. Yes it will naturally flux a little but not this drastically.

is game is becoming more well rounded though, and hes able to help when hes on the floor even if he isnt making everything.

plays solid defense, and hes starting to take smaller guys in on the block. Once he perfects the drop off on the pick n rolls- hes gonna be a really tuff cover coming over that elbow pick

TrueFan420
11-03-2013, 06:20 PM
Two games out of three is fine by me, 66.6% is pretty consistent.
It stems back to last year tho.

is game is becoming more well rounded though, and hes able to help when hes on the floor even if he isnt making everything.

plays solid defense, and hes starting to take smaller guys in on the block. Once he perfects the drop off on the pick n rolls- hes gonna be a really tuff cover coming over that elbow pick
He has become much more rounded as a player. I fully expect him to become more consistent as well. Each year in the league he has work hard and improved an aspect of his game. I think his ceiling may be higher than any of us initially expected. I knew he'd be good because west wanted him badly but I've been extremely impressed with his drive to improve.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 07:23 PM
You realize Jackson called that right?

I guess we know the answer to Jackson v Malone now as well :) He's every bit as awesome as I said he was.


FYI, Klay Thompson, in his 1st 2 home games this year? 65 total points on 69.4% FG%

Uh, No Jackson didn't make those calls. Check out Jackson's post game interview meine freunde. ;)

Like I said, good call Coach Curry!

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 07:27 PM
Two games out of three is fine by me, 66.6% is pretty consistent.

Not enough data points, like saying Klay is darn good after the 1st game. With that said, I love Klay though. If he goes to the basket a bit more, he'll be a heck of a player.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 07:39 PM
I don't disagree Jackson haters would have been all over him had we lost.

Jackson's players > Malone's players

Jackson's players experience playing together and in that system > Malone's players experience playing together and in that system

Funny how Great players make Great coaches!

Goose17
11-03-2013, 07:44 PM
Funny how Great players make Great coaches!

And how great coaches get the most out of those players, right?

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 07:56 PM
And how great coaches get the most out of those players, right?

The point is you said Jackson outcoached Malone and discounted the players themselves. If their roles were reversed, I wouldn't say Malone outcoached Jackson.

MackShock
11-03-2013, 07:58 PM
Ahh. This again. To put it simply:

It doesn't matter if Jackson is a master motivator or a playbook writer. As long as we win, WHO THE HELL CARES.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 08:07 PM
Just Win Baby!

Scoots
11-03-2013, 08:17 PM
I just want to win, I think it only matters to Goose.

Leandres_sf
11-03-2013, 08:40 PM
Ahh. This again. To put it simply:

It doesn't matter if Jackson is a master motivator or a playbook writer. As long as we win, WHO THE HELL CARES.

Agreed, it doesn't really matter to me.

MackShock
11-03-2013, 08:52 PM
Just Win Baby!

you really should stop questioning jackson's contributions to this team. as long they they win, it doesnt matter.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 10:27 PM
you really should stop questioning jackson's contributions to this team. as long they they win, it doesnt matter.

First off which part of my replies in this thread was questioning Jackson's contributions? Second, would you be so opinionated if I was praising Jackson? Thirdly, I guess I could use your approach and tell you to keep your opinion to yourself. ;)

MackShock
11-03-2013, 10:32 PM
First off which part of my replies in this thread was questioning Jackson's contributions? Second, would you be so opinionated if I was praising Jackson? Thirdly, I guess I could use your approach and tell you to keep your opinion to yourself. ;)

Ehh. If you were praising Jackson..I probably wouldn't care if they were winning. Dude has made contributions and as a head coach. has a hand in everything that happens on the court, whether directly or indirectly. If we are winning, everyone including Jackson should be praised. If we are losing, then everyone including Jackson should be blamed.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 10:49 PM
Ehh. If you were praising Jackson..I probably wouldn't care if they were winning. Dude has made contributions and as a head coach. has a hand in everything that happens on the court, whether directly or indirectly. If we are winning, everyone including Jackson should be praised. If we are losing, then everyone including Jackson should be blamed.

Since you didn't answer my 1st question, this conversation is pointless.
FYI... I give credit where it's due, per my opinion. And lets not make statements based on bias opinion.

MackShock
11-03-2013, 11:12 PM
After last season IIRC you blasted Jackson as a "rah rah" coach and credited all our success to Malone.

That doesn't seem like fair credit..

But in the name of sanity.. Let's just end this debate now lol.. I really don't care what kind of coach Jackson is, as long as he is a winning one.

Chromehounds
11-03-2013, 11:48 PM
After last season IIRC you blasted Jackson as a "rah rah" coach and credited all our success to Malone.

^Once again another false statement, I never said to give Malone all the credits.

That doesn't seem like fair credit..

But in the name of sanity.. Let's just end this debate now lol.. I really don't care what kind of coach Jackson is, as long as he is a winning one.

Yes, in the name of sanity and on topic, this conversation should end. You were the one that brought up the Jackson subject, I was merely congratulating Curry on his coaching calls.

Scoots
11-04-2013, 12:14 AM
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Yes, in the name of sanity and on topic, this conversation should end. You were the one that brought up the Jackson subject, I was merely congratulating Curry on his coaching calls.

Actually Goose was the first to respond to your bait, not Shock.

Chromehounds
11-04-2013, 03:58 PM
Actually Goose was the first to respond to your bait, not Shock.

Your comment is comical. Are you a comedian? Curry called the first 2 plays of the game, and they were as good as any calls I've seen and were effective. And that's the fact, Jack! Of course this is a public forum so you can turn, twist and digest my statement of fact anyway you want...buddy. Now that the cat is out of the bag, doubted Curry will mind another nick name "Coach Curry".

Wait, you're not baiting me are you?

Scoots
11-04-2013, 04:29 PM
Chrome, I was merely pointing out that the first responder to you that brought up Jackson was not Shock, but Goose. Nothing more, so aim your bile elsewhere.

COOLbeans
11-04-2013, 04:33 PM
Chromehounds is confused about who he's arguing with lol

And for the record, mackshock is right about the hounds, he was riding Malone hard and giving Mark Jackson the business. The hounds first 20 posts were to prove to the forum how Mark Jackson sucks at coaching.

COOLbeans
11-04-2013, 04:35 PM
Chrome, I was merely pointing out that the first responder to you that brought up Jackson was not Shock, but Goose. Nothing more, so aim your bile elsewhere.

He's sad because you said he baited the forum

MackShock
11-04-2013, 04:59 PM
Chromehounds is confused about who he's arguing with lol

And for the record, mackshock is right about the hounds, he was riding Malone hard and giving Mark Jackson the business. The hounds first 20 posts were to prove to the forum how Mark Jackson sucks at coaching.

My statement isn't totally true. But what is true, is that he blasted Mark Jackson as a rah rah coach, and basically said Malone did the head coaching.

Chromehounds
11-04-2013, 05:00 PM
Chrome, I was merely pointing out that the first responder to you that brought up Jackson was not Shock, but Goose. Nothing more, so aim your bile elsewhere.

Well, you came out of left field there buddy, never said Shock was the first one to bring up the Jackson subject. And maybe to you but to me it was never about who made the first defensive comment. Anyway, the funny is you labeled a statement of fact as a bait comment, of course, nothing more. That is why I find it comical.

Goose17
11-04-2013, 05:17 PM
The point is you said Jackson outcoached Malone and discounted the players themselves. If their roles were reversed, I wouldn't say Malone outcoached Jackson.

Yes you would. As would every other Jackson hater (or Malone D-Rider depending on how you look at it).


This was exactly the point I made during these debates earlier in the year. If a team loses it's the fault of the coach, if the team wins it's all thanks to the players.

After joining the Kings Malone stated that Jackson chose which plays to run and when, he went on to say that he (Malone) wasn't the X's and O's guy all the time like people said. Jackson haters respond with "obviously he's going to say that".

Warriors thrash Kings, defensively annihilate them. Jackson haters give ALL of the credit to the players.



The problem here is that even if we win eighteen back to back championships you'll still be giving the credit to the players, over and over and over and over and over and over....



Jackson can never win.

There's nine coaches, MAXIMUM that are better than Jackson, and at least three of those are debatable. But he's still not good enough, right?

Scoots
11-04-2013, 05:35 PM
never said Shock was the first one to bring up the Jackson subject

but then we look back at the thread and see ...


You were the one that brought up the Jackson subject, I was merely congratulating Curry on his coaching calls.

Maybe you don't know what "never" means?

And as for the "bait" comment ... if you put a hook on a worm and put it in front of fish, your intent doesn't matter, it's bait. Goose responded predictably, and the very next post is me saying I knew that response was coming.

Goose was the first to bring up Jackson in this thread, maybe it was Shock who first defended Jackson to you when you first signed up, I don't know. I find it all fairly comical. I think Goose' almost blind allegiance to Jackson is just as bizarre as your past apparent hatred of him. Jackson's staff have clearly done an excellent job, and since it's Jackson's job to hire and run the staff he deserves great credit for that, and if the Warriors do well this year he'll get it ... contrary, and Bob Myers himself said this, if the Warriors struggle Jackson will wear the blame for it too. If Jim Harbaugh loses his offensive and defensive coordinators and the 49ers struggle he'll get the blame and his ex-coordinators will get credit ... the odd thing is that for some reason in the NBA the assistant coaches are so often forgotten when doling out the praise while NFL top assistants are more often known by fans.

Goose17
11-04-2013, 05:50 PM
I think Goose' almost blind allegiance to Jackson is just as bizarre as your past apparent hatred of him.

We went from being the third worst team in the West to a top 6 team in the West, you can't give all the credit to the players and Malone.

On top of that, consider the fact he's never coached in the NBA before now.

It's not blind allegiance, it's being genuinely impressed.



I'm just tired of people dismissing Jackson's impact entirely, as if it wasn't his idea to focus on defense, as if he wasn't choosing what plays to run when, even after all of this has been proven people still don't give him the credit he deserves. It irritates me.

It's always the coaches fault for the loss and the players getting credit for the wins.

Chromehounds
11-04-2013, 06:09 PM
Yes you would. As would every other Jackson hater (or Malone D-Rider depending on how you look at it).


This was exactly the point I made during these debates earlier in the year. If a team loses it's the fault of the coach, if the team wins it's all thanks to the players.

After joining the Kings Malone stated that Jackson chose which plays to run and when, he went on to say that he (Malone) wasn't the X's and O's guy all the time like people said. Jackson haters respond with "obviously he's going to say that".

Warriors thrash Kings, defensively annihilate them. Jackson haters give ALL of the credit to the players.



The problem here is that even if we win eighteen back to back championships you'll still be giving the credit to the players, over and over and over and over and over and over....



Jackson can never win.

There's nine coaches, MAXIMUM that are better than Jackson, and at least three of those are debatable. But he's still not good enough, right?

Whooooeee....slow down there partner, no need to get all upset with the names calling. And I didn't know you can read my mind, next thing I know you'll have a 1-900 psychic number.
I must have missed that early in the year debate, was there any discussions about game planning vs. team execution? The point of my comment to you was, do not disregard one or the other before making your final assessment.
But base on your rant, it would be hard to bring reasons into this conversation. 'cause what I see here are assumptions after assumptions but playing as facts in your mind.

Chromehounds
11-04-2013, 06:34 PM
but then we look back at the thread and see ...



Maybe you don't know what "never" means?

And as for the "bait" comment ... if you put a hook on a worm and put it in front of fish, your intent doesn't matter, it's bait. Goose responded predictably, and the very next post is me saying I knew that response was coming.

Goose was the first to bring up Jackson in this thread, maybe it was Shock who first defended Jackson to you when you first signed up, I don't know. I find it all fairly comical. I think Goose' almost blind allegiance to Jackson is just as bizarre as your past apparent hatred of him. Jackson's staff have clearly done an excellent job, and since it's Jackson's job to hire and run the staff he deserves great credit for that, and if the Warriors do well this year he'll get it ... contrary, and Bob Myers himself said this, if the Warriors struggle Jackson will wear the blame for it too. If Jim Harbaugh loses his offensive and defensive coordinators and the 49ers struggle he'll get the blame and his ex-coordinators will get credit ... the odd thing is that for some reason in the NBA the assistant coaches are so often forgotten when doling out the praise while NFL top assistants are more often known by fans.

And like I always said, you are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Scoots
11-04-2013, 06:57 PM
We went from being the third worst team in the West to a top 6 team in the West, you can't give all the credit to the players and Malone.

On top of that, consider the fact he's never coached in the NBA before now.

It's not blind allegiance, it's being genuinely impressed.

I'm just tired of people dismissing Jackson's impact entirely, as if it wasn't his idea to focus on defense, as if he wasn't choosing what plays to run when, even after all of this has been proven people still don't give him the credit he deserves. It irritates me.

It's always the coaches fault for the loss and the players getting credit for the wins.

I think you'll find that I haven't blamed Jackson for anything and I do think he's doing a great job, I just don't attribute every aspect of the teams success to him, or to anybody for that matter, and whenever there are changes in the staff there are, and should be questions. And this year with the changes to the roster the pressure on Jackson has gone up, and deservedly so.

Guppyfighter
11-04-2013, 07:49 PM
Yes you would. As would every other Jackson hater (or Malone D-Rider depending on how you look at it).


This was exactly the point I made during these debates earlier in the year. If a team loses it's the fault of the coach, if the team wins it's all thanks to the players.

After joining the Kings Malone stated that Jackson chose which plays to run and when, he went on to say that he (Malone) wasn't the X's and O's guy all the time like people said. Jackson haters respond with "obviously he's going to say that".

Warriors thrash Kings, defensively annihilate them. Jackson haters give ALL of the credit to the players.



The problem here is that even if we win eighteen back to back championships you'll still be giving the credit to the players, over and over and over and over and over and over....



Jackson can never win.

There's nine coaches, MAXIMUM that are better than Jackson, and at least three of those are debatable. But he's still not good enough, right?

Well, he may not win with dumb fans, but on the GM survey he got one or two votes for best defensive schemes in the NBA.

The important people recognize.