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lamzoka
10-30-2013, 11:41 AM
OUR TEAM ISN'T good enough to win and we know it. So this season we want to develop and evaluate our young players, let them learn from their mistakes -- and get us in position to grab a great player. The best way for us to do that is to lose a lot of games. This draft is loaded. There are potential All-Stars at the top, maybe even franchise changers. Sometimes my job is to understand the value of losing.

I know that sounds crazy, but if you're an NBA general manager like me, the last place you want to be is in the middle. There are only two outcomes there: Either make the playoffs and be first-round fodder for one of the premier teams or miss the playoffs and pick somewhere around 11th to 14th in the draft. Either way, the odds are that you stay in that middle range. It's a recipe for disaster.

You need superstars to compete in this league, and the playing field for those guys is tilted toward a few big-market teams. They are demanding trades and getting together and deciding where they want to go in free agency. It's tough for us to compete with that. So a high lottery pick is all we have.


... If you're an NBA general manager like me, the last place you want to be is in the middle.
”How do you pull it off? First, you talk it over with ownership. I analyzed the team and told them what I wanted to do, the guys I wanted to get rid of and the guys with future value whom we wanted to keep. We obviously traded away some of our veteran guys who gave us a better chance of winning right now for future draft picks and young players. The owners didn't want to tread water any more than I did. They'd rather go down to the bottom with the hope of coming up, so they signed off on it. It wasn't a fight at all. In a different season, it might not make sense, but this draft certainly makes it more appealing.

Our coach understands that too. It's no secret what we're trying to do, and you can't lie to him anyway or you'll lose all trust. We never really had to tell him, because the handwriting is on the wall. He knows exactly what's going on, and he's good with it. What's hard is keeping it from the players. If you took a poll in all 30 locker rooms, regardless of how the roster looks, I bet they'd all say they are a playoff team. That's good, because you want them to play with effort and lose organically. You never tell the players not to try to win a game, but it's obvious that you're putting out a team that's just not good enough to win.

We're not alone. Look at the 76ers. Since the draft in June, I don't think they've signed a player or made a trade to add a legitimate player. A bunch of us realize that our teams aren't good enough talentwise to do anything. You're going to be bad. There's no way around it. And even if you finish 0-82, there's still a 75 percent chance you don't get the No. 1 pick. We're just going to take our lumps and hope our number gets called.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9893551/anonymous-nba-gm-why-team-tank-season-espn-magazine

Theyhateme459
10-30-2013, 11:45 AM
I really don't think these sports articles should be allowed to be written based on Anonymous sources. Anonymous sources just give writers and excuse to write anything or speculate or any rumors without being held accountable.

ManRam
10-30-2013, 11:49 AM
I don't think that strategy should be perceived in such a negative light...at all.

It's the best way to get better in the long run. Why are we acting like these teams shouldn't do exactly what this GM says? Sounds like a smart GM...whatever team that is is quite lucky. I'd be very happy if that was Henny.

That's not "tanking". That's rebuilding.

"Tanking" is sitting your best players to intentionally lose. It's trying to blow games at the end of games. It's not rebuilding a team properly.

Theyhateme459
10-30-2013, 11:54 AM
Butttt this does seem like a legit quote from a GM... if So which GM do you think it is.... 76ers are eliminated and if you listen to what he says it seems like it's only a few teams that might fit the profile.

Lisound15
10-30-2013, 11:56 AM
So if this article is true, than how is it also anonymous if he mentioned the 76ers at the end? Doesn't that statement, coupled with recent offseason moves, make it pretty obvious that this is the Phoenix Suns General Manager speaking? Or am I missing something...?

lamzoka
10-30-2013, 12:03 PM
Butttt this does seem like a legit quote from a GM... if So which GM do you think it is.... 76ers are eliminated and if you listen to what he says it seems like it's only a few teams that might fit the profile.

smoked screen. i think its the sixers

ManRam
10-30-2013, 12:14 PM
So if this article is true, than how is it also anonymous if he mentioned the 76ers at the end? Doesn't that statement, coupled with recent offseason moves, make it pretty obvious that this is the Phoenix Suns General Manager speaking? Or am I missing something...?

No.

Could be the Magic. Could be the Celtics. Hell, could be the 76ers too. Could even be Utah, though less likely.

Again, I'd be happy if it was my GM. The worst place to be is in limbo with a lot of money tied up and thinking the only way to get out of limbo is to spend more of it. That's more devastating to a franchise than this strategy, and it's not even close.

And if you hate it, this is a result of the lockout being an overwhelming win for the players. The small markets and what Stern allegedly wanted didn't get a lot of the concessions they wanted making it tougher on these teams to compete. This strategy is only going to become more common now.

2-ONE-5
10-30-2013, 12:40 PM
isnt there a thread on this already from yesterday

mdm692
10-30-2013, 02:10 PM
No.

Could be the Magic. Could be the Celtics. Hell, could be the 76ers too. Could even be Utah, though less likely.

Again, I'd be happy if it was my GM. The worst place to be is in limbo with a lot of money tied up and thinking the only way to get out of limbo is to spend more of it. That's more devastating to a franchise than this strategy, and it's not even close.

And if you hate it, this is a result of the lockout being an overwhelming win for the players. The small markets and what Stern allegedly wanted didn't get a lot of the concessions they wanted making it tougher on these teams to compete. This strategy is only going to become more common now.

Magic didn't trade any vets away so we can take them off the list.
Utah let Al walk and didn't pick up any picks if I'm not mistaken so they're gone too.
6ers traded Holiday but I don't consider him a vet but it could be a smoke screen so maybe.
That leaves us with Phx and Bos. Both made big trades, Bostons was bigger of course, but I'm going with my Suns. The GM made it seem as if he made multiple transactions and acquired multiple picks and young players which is exactly what McDonough did this summer.

Scola for Plumlee, Green, Slav, Ind 2014 1s t
Dudley for Butler and Eric Bledsoe
Gortat, Marshall, Brown, Lee for Okafor, Was 2014 1st


Also the quotes seem to me like something he would say down to.the last detail lol. But like you said it could be any of the and the details could be just a smoke screen.

lamar2006
10-31-2013, 12:29 AM
having the worst record in the league is a terrible idea. this isn't like the NFL where you are guaranteed the #1 pick. Stupid lottery is rigged. just ask the Cavaliers. They end up having the 3-4th worst record and miraculously end up with the #1 pick. Best if you are in the 3-5 worst record overall. Don't be surprise if my Lakers end up in the lottery somehow they end up with a top 3 pick after the CP3 veto.

Corey
10-31-2013, 02:10 AM
I've heard and read a whole lot of Ainge quotes and the wording doesn't really sound like him to me.

I'd love for it to be the Celtics though. They're bad enough.

Boost stock and sell high on Green, Wallace, Rondo, Hump, Bass, Lee if possible.

Grab a top 6 pick and play them with Bradley, Sully, Olynyk and see what happens.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
10-31-2013, 09:25 AM
Magic didn't trade any vets away so we can take them off the list.
Utah let Al walk and didn't pick up any picks if I'm not mistaken so they're gone too.
6ers traded Holiday but I don't consider him a vet but it could be a smoke screen so maybe.
That leaves us with Phx and Bos. Both made big trades, Bostons was bigger of course, but I'm going with my Suns. The GM made it seem as if he made multiple transactions and acquired multiple picks and young players which is exactly what McDonough did this summer.

Scola for Plumlee, Green, Slav, Ind 2014 1s t
Dudley for Butler and Eric Bledsoe
Gortat, Marshall, Brown, Lee for Okafor, Was 2014 1st


Also the quotes seem to me like something he would say down to.the last detail lol. But like you said it could be any of the and the details could be just a smoke screen.

Magic didn't trade any vets yet... sure they will by deadline besides our vets are Nelson afflalo and baby Davis... doubt there gonna keep us from tanking, they didn't last year