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Guppyfighter
10-29-2013, 05:58 PM
http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/knicks-pull-plug-on-starting-bargnani-give-world-peace-a-chance/

ManRam
10-29-2013, 06:01 PM
Haha. Bargs off to a disappoint start from day 1.

Why people thought he'd magically figure things out is beyond me

Jamiecballer
10-29-2013, 06:08 PM
great decision. i was seriously questioning their competence before this.

ACanadian
10-29-2013, 06:10 PM
He's your problem now, thanks for the picks :D

WAYNEBO
10-29-2013, 06:17 PM
When the trade happened, I think everyone knew it was for bench depth and nothing more. Anyone who thinks Garbagani is starter material, especially w/ the Knicks big frontcourt, is insane. I knew all along Artest would be in the starting line-up.

Tyson, Artest and Shump are going to lock down like the 90's Knicks. Spot up for shots and give room for Penguin and Melo to operate.

ManRam
10-29-2013, 06:23 PM
When the trade happened, I think everyone knew it was for bench depth and nothing more. Anyone who thinks Garbagani is starter material, especially w/ the Knicks big frontcourt, is insane. I knew all along Artest would be in the starting line-up.

Tyson, Artest and Shump are going to lock down like the 90's Knicks. Spot up for shots and give room for Penguin and Melo to operate.

You were around when the trade happened? You know damn well that many Knicks fans had much higher expectations than "bench depth".

DallasTrilla23
10-29-2013, 06:24 PM
That's a better lineup anyways. I think bargs will start some games but this is the best starting lineup for the Knicks imo

nycericanguy
10-29-2013, 06:28 PM
You were around when the trade happened? You know damn well that many Knicks fans had much higher expectations than "bench depth".

I still do.

The guy hasn't even played ONE regular season game yet and people are acting like he's flopped...

Did you know that he was bed ridden for 5 weeks this summer due to a severe case of pneumonia? He clearly doesn't have his legs 100% underneath him yet.

SportsFanatic10
10-29-2013, 06:32 PM
it only makes sense, melo seems to play his best at the 4, so start metta at the 3 instead of bargs at pf forcing melo to shift back to the 3. also metta can help defensively, instead of having two negative defenders side by side in melo and bargs. he definitely won't live up to the expectations some of the knicks fans were going on about after the deal. but he'll add some scoring punch here and there.

tredigs
10-29-2013, 06:32 PM
Much better lineup. From 48 to 53 win team.

nycericanguy
10-29-2013, 06:34 PM
it only makes sense, melo seems to play his best at the 4, so start metta at the 3 instead of bargs at pf forcing melo to shift back to the 3. also metta can help defensively, instead of having two negative defenders side by side in melo and bargs. he definitely won't live up to the expectations some of the knicks fans were going on about after the deal. but he'll add some scoring punch here and there.

Like what? I don't remember any Knick fans with any crazy expectations for Bargs TBH.

My expectations are 13-15ppg on 45%, which would be an upgrade over JR/Felton.

My HOPES are he can regain that 18ppg 47%, 38-40% from 3 form he had playing with Bosh.

AddiX
10-29-2013, 06:36 PM
The minute distribution will mean more than who starts.

Felton started for us last year but prigs or Kidd were constantly the better player amd got there fair share of minutes.

SportsFanatic10
10-29-2013, 06:37 PM
Like what? I don't remember any Knick fans with any crazy expectations for Bargs TBH.

My expectations are 13-15ppg on 45%, which would be an upgrade over JR/Felton.

My HOPES are he can regain that 18ppg 47%, 38-40% from 3 form he had playing with Bosh.

definitely not all knick fans, just some. but i've seen some crazy posts by knicks fans when he was first dealt there, i'm not gonna go back and try and find them...but safe to say a few of you guys were over excited. for example, i saw one guy go on about how he was a good post defender.

29$JerZ
10-29-2013, 06:44 PM
definitely not all knick fans, just some. but i've seen some crazy posts by knicks fans when he was first dealt there, i'm not gonna go back and try and find them...but safe to say a few of you guys were over excited. for example, i saw one guy go on about how he was a good post defender.

Every fanbase has some people like that. That shouldn't be viewed as the majority's opinion.

SportsFanatic10
10-29-2013, 06:46 PM
Every fanbase has some people like that. That shouldn't be viewed as the majority's opinion.

very true. i never said it was the majority, i said SOME knicks fans in my original post and then went on to explain that very thing again in my 2nd post after being called on it.

nycericanguy
10-29-2013, 06:46 PM
definitely not all knick fans, just some. but i've seen some crazy posts by knicks fans when he was first dealt there, i'm not gonna go back and try and find them...but safe to say a few of you guys were over excited. for example, i saw one guy go on about how he was a good post defender.

I would say the majority of Knick fans, myself NOT included, were actually against the trade at the beginning til they understood exactly what we gave up.

You'd be hard pressed to find any knick fan that had some kind of HUGE expectation for Bargs.

Not trying to attack you, just everytime there's a Knick thread we see the same "Knicks fans said this and that"... People literally make things up that KNick fans "said" just to trash the fan base... not saying you personally, but it happens alot.

Guppyfighter
10-29-2013, 06:52 PM
The trade was still dumb on the Knicks part. Giving up anything for Bargs is just silly.

29$JerZ
10-29-2013, 06:53 PM
very true. i never said it was the majority, i said SOME knicks fans in my original post and then went on to explain that very thing again in my 2nd post after being called on it.

I know bro. It is annoying when a few outspoken guys make bad claims like that and it becomes the general notion of the entire fanbase.

AddiX
10-29-2013, 06:57 PM
The trade was still dumb on the Knicks part. Giving up anything for Bargs is just silly.

There's was no other moves for us to make, and realistically amare won't be doing anything for us. It doesn't change our salary cap situation at all.

When it's said and done pretty much our entire roster is free agents and the FO can make there decisions from there. Bargs doesnt change that, so it's all good.

deaner
10-29-2013, 07:03 PM
I still do.

The guy hasn't even played ONE regular season game yet and people are acting like he's flopped...

Did you know that he was bed ridden for 5 weeks this summer due to a severe case of pneumonia? He clearly doesn't have his legs 100% underneath him yet.

ya ya, it's the same every year. Don't think it's just a fluke sickness, he's struggled with respiratory problems his entire career... he gets surgeries... doesn't help. It's part of his baggage.

deaner
10-29-2013, 07:06 PM
I would say the majority of Knick fans, myself NOT included, were actually against the trade at the beginning til they understood exactly what we gave up.

You'd be hard pressed to find any knick fan that had some kind of HUGE expectation for Bargs.

Not trying to attack you, just everytime there's a Knick thread we see the same "Knicks fans said this and that"... People literally make things up that KNick fans "said" just to trash the fan base... not saying you personally, but it happens alot.

How can you say that when every thread in the forum has statements like: our season is on Barney's shoulders. Even if he scores 20 a night... he's going to cost you 35.

D-Leethal
10-29-2013, 07:46 PM
How can you say that when every thread in the forum has statements like: our season is on Barney's shoulders. Even if he scores 20 a night... he's going to cost you 35.

There has definitely not been one statement in the Knicks forum that said our season is on Bargs shoulders. That is nonsense straight outta your ***. If there has been any of that "hinging on shoulders" talk it was with regards to Shumpert taking the next step. I don't think there has been one person who expected more than 14-16ppg on mediocre efficiency from Bargs. His shooting has been off like the rest of our team but he is far more aggressive getting to the line than any of his haters gave him credit for this offseason and hitting like 90% of them. In a weird way its actually pretty nice to see someone shooting like crap and consciously making an effort to get to the line as a result instead of doing what JR and Felton do and keep avoiding it. Either way, Woody said two spots were up for grabs and Metta went out and took it. Not sure you'll find one New Yorker upset that Ron Artest is starting for the Knicks.

I think it would make sense to save these threads for a couple weeks, no? You can run down the list of every team and pick out dudes shooting like dog **** right now.

D-Leethal
10-29-2013, 07:52 PM
I will say he might be the most passionless basketball player I have ever seen. That **** worries me worse than his crappy start shooting the ball. He seems like one of those guys that just suck the energy straight out the air.

b@llhog24
10-29-2013, 07:53 PM
definitely not all knick fans, just some. but i've seen some crazy posts by knicks fans when he was first dealt there, i'm not gonna go back and try and find them...but safe to say a few of you guys were over excited. for example, i saw one guy go on about how he was a good post defender.

No he just had good defensive metrics one year in the post. he's terrible all around though.

b@llhog24
10-29-2013, 07:57 PM
I will say he might be the most passionless basketball player I have ever seen. That **** worries me worse than his crappy start shooting the ball. He seems like one of those guys that just suck the energy straight out the air.

"We play basket-ball, not rebound-ball"

Poetry by Andrea Bargnani

SugeKnight
10-29-2013, 08:03 PM
Lol nobody can hate on this. They made the right move.

Who's the bigger bust, Bargniani or Darko?

D-Leethal
10-29-2013, 08:05 PM
I honestly don't think this is as much an indictment on Bargs as it is the fact that JR is out to start the season. Were gonna need a little scoring on the bench - we have relied on it big time the past two years. Amare is on a 10 minute limit to start the season so its not like you can feature him. Bargs hasn't been good by any stretch but I don't think Woodson is set on his starting lineup at all, he is going to re-evaluate when JR gets back and he has already said as much.

Kashmir13579
10-29-2013, 08:19 PM
I know bro. It is annoying when a few outspoken guys make bad claims like that and it becomes the general notion of the entire fanbase.
Shumperts the next Wade tho...

spreadeagle
10-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Lol nobody can hate on this. They made the right move.

Who's the bigger bust, Bargniani or Darko?

Bargnani had a few seasons where he averaged 16-18 ppg, and in his draft guys like Adam Morrison and Tyrus Thomas we drafter right behind him..Darko was picked with Melo Bron Bosh n Wade

koreancabbage
10-29-2013, 10:19 PM
I still do.

The guy hasn't even played ONE regular season game yet and people are acting like he's flopped...

Did you know that he was bed ridden for 5 weeks this summer due to a severe case of pneumonia? He clearly doesn't have his legs 100% underneath him yet.

nor his career

koreancabbage
10-29-2013, 10:22 PM
Lol nobody can hate on this. They made the right move.

Who's the bigger bust, Bargniani or Darko?

IMHO, they didn't Bargnani needs to the ball in his hands to be successful, I think he will avg 10-13ppg and be one of his worst season in his career and prime.

FlashBolt
10-30-2013, 12:51 AM
NYK talking about bench depth when their starters have no depth at all.. They are going to be a fifth seed team.

Miami
Bulls
Pacers
Brooklyn

John Walls Era
10-30-2013, 12:56 AM
Lol nobody can hate on this. They made the right move.

Who's the bigger bust, Bargniani or Darko?

The second guy never even got a fair chance to play because of Larry Brown, but its still Darko.

AddiX
10-30-2013, 02:02 AM
I think bargs will be good with the second unit and in situation time with the first unit.

Second unit with Prigioni, shump/smith.

He's soft as hell but he will get his buckets and stretch the floor. Thats all he's here for.

east fb knicks
10-30-2013, 03:28 AM
lmao we don't have a back up 5 right now amare is on a minutes restriction and kmart isn't 100 percent not to mention jr is out for 5 games but with all that being said mwp looked better than expected in the preseason and deserved the starting nod more it's not anything against bargs he just got outplayed

Jamiecballer
10-30-2013, 09:14 AM
The second guy never even got a fair chance to play because of Larry Brown, but its still Darko.

i disagree. Darko was a real presence in the paint defensively. he's the better pro IMO.

KnickaBocka.44
10-30-2013, 09:21 AM
I would be surprised if this continued after J.R. returns. Woodson likes having the scoring punch of the bench, so moving Bargs there for the first 5 games makes sense.

killersweet
10-30-2013, 09:30 AM
"We play basket-ball, not rebound-ball"

Poetry by Andrea Bargnani

haha, good one!

Rockice_8
10-30-2013, 10:09 AM
So does that mean he's the backup C? Him and Amare off the bench is a terrible defensive frontcourt if they plan on doing that. Interesting to see how they use him now with Amare (who is limited and injury prone), Bargs and Keyon fighting for minutes up front.

Who backs up the 3 now? JR? playing swing man 2/3 and Prigs moving over to the SG slot some. They did use a lot of two PG sets last year. Woodson is going to have to do a lot of juggling lineups around for matchups and such. Knicks are going to be all over the place with their rotations. There's no clear cut backup for each position now with Metta moving to the starting lineup.

deaner
10-30-2013, 10:56 AM
Are the Knicks tanking?

N3TS
10-30-2013, 02:45 PM
I believe this is the best way to start off the year and who knows if Bargs shows something more down the road this season that he is a capable starter than put him into the lineup, otherwise he can be utilized off the bench.

east fb knicks
10-30-2013, 03:31 PM
So does that mean he's the backup C? Him and Amare off the bench is a terrible defensive frontcourt if they plan on doing that. Interesting to see how they use him now with Amare (who is limited and injury prone), Bargs and Keyon fighting for minutes up front.

Who backs up the 3 now? JR? playing swing man 2/3 and Prigs moving over to the SG slot some. They did use a lot of two PG sets last year. Woodson is going to have to do a lot of juggling lineups around for matchups and such. Knicks are going to be all over the place with their rotations. There's no clear cut backup for each position now with Metta moving to the starting lineup.

most teams 2nd unit doesn't really have great 5 men anyway i actually think a bargs stat 4 5 will be good off the bench and to awnser your question

bargs
stat/kmart
jr/hardaway
beno
prigs

we are one of if not the deepest team in the league if anything starting mwp actually helps out our bench rotations

blahblahyoutoo
10-30-2013, 04:24 PM
can't wait for knicks fans pulling their hair out when artest takes ~7 bad 3pt shots a game.

beasted86
10-30-2013, 04:37 PM
They traded Camby who was useless, Novak who was useful in the regular season, but useless in the playoffs... and potentially got someone who is also useless, or maybe is a decent comp player. No matter what, the Knicks can only gain.

I think Woodson is right on with this move, the only thing is Amare & Bargs off the bench is puke defensively. You won't get a weakside rotation to the perimeter shooter EVER.

LAKobeBryant
10-30-2013, 04:40 PM
bargs is nothing but a spot up shooter and novak is one of the best in the league at that. they lost novak and copeland i don't see how NY can improve from last season.

nycericanguy
10-30-2013, 04:43 PM
bargs is nothing but a spot up shooter and novak is one of the best in the league at that. they lost novak and copeland i don't see how NY can improve from last season.

Have you even seen Bargs play? He has his faults but the last thing he is is "just a spot up shooter". In fact he doesn't take that many spot up shots period. The dude gets into the lane, gets contact and to the FT line at will. He also has a sweet mid range jumper that I wasn't really aware of.

Novak can't even get a shot off against a good defense

GiantsSwaGG
10-30-2013, 04:53 PM
Brags sucks balls, he should be a pornstar than a basketball player

Tmath
10-30-2013, 04:56 PM
Brags sucks balls, he should be a pornstar than a basketball player

Naw, he already ruined 7 years of basketball for me, I'd hate for him to ruin porn too.

blahblahyoutoo
10-30-2013, 05:05 PM
most teams 2nd unit doesn't really have great 5 men anyway i actually think a bargs stat 4 5 will be good off the bench and to awnser your question

bargs
stat/kmart
jr/hardaway
beno
prigs

we are one of if not the deepest team in the league if anything starting mwp actually helps out our bench rotations

we hear this every year. didn't mean squat last year, won't mean a thing this year.

Tmath
10-30-2013, 05:07 PM
most teams 2nd unit doesn't really have great 5 men anyway i actually think a bargs stat 4 5 will be good off the bench and to awnser your question

bargs
stat/kmart
jr/hardaway
beno
prigs

we are one of if not the deepest team in the league if anything starting mwp actually helps out our bench rotations

Your starting lineup isn't deep, so it kind of takes away from your depth.

LAKobeBryant
10-30-2013, 05:07 PM
Have you even seen Bargs play? He has his faults but the last thing he is is "just a spot up shooter". In fact he doesn't take that many spot up shots period. The dude gets into the lane, gets contact and to the FT line at will. He also has a sweet mid range jumper that I wasn't really aware of.

Novak can't even get a shot off against a good defense

no man i've watch toronto basketball for a long while. barg just stands at the 3point line to shoot and shoots a horrible %. and he always does that up fake and steps in to take a long 2 point shot. but w/ that "driving to get contact" he's only been doing that last 2 season which only played 20 games each?

nycericanguy
10-30-2013, 05:14 PM
no man i've watch toronto basketball for a long while. barg just stands at the 3point line to shoot and shoots a horrible %. and he always does that up fake and steps in to take a long 2 point shot. but w/ that "driving to get contact" he's only been doing that last 2 season which only played 20 games each?

Well I can't speak for his TOR days, though I do see his last 2 healthy years in TOR he got to the line almost 6x per game which is more than any Knick except Melo. In the preseason he showed a nice mid range game and was getting 18ppg PER 36 and 6 ft's in like 25mpg. Novak would literally go MONTHS without getting a single free throw...lol. Comparing the two is kinda silly.

Two things about Novak

1) the league caught up to him, his first year in NY he hit 135 three's in only 54 games and 18mpg. Last year, in 81 games and 20mpg he only hit 145.

and 2) in the playoffs, or against good defenses he couldn't get a shot off, so whats the point really?

Tmath
10-30-2013, 05:17 PM
Well I can't speak for his TOR days, though I do see his last 2 healthy years in TOR he got to the line almost 6x per game which is more than any Knick except Melo. In the preseason he showed a nice mid range game and was getting 18ppg PER 36 and 6 ft's in like 25mpg. Novak would literally go MONTHS without getting a single free throw...lol. Comparing the two is kinda silly.

Two things about Novak

1) the league caught up to him, his first year in NY he hit 135 three's in only 54 games and 18mpg. Last year, in 81 games and 20mpg he only hit 145.

and 2) in the playoffs, or against good defenses he couldn't get a shot off, so whats the point really?

Bargs had to play 35 mins a game to get 6 free throw attempts a game. That is nothing special, especially since he was the first option. Actually it pretty pathetic.

bucketss
10-30-2013, 05:18 PM
fakes, gets defender in the air, instead of driving or taking the open shot, he decides to take 1 step in than shoot an off balance fadeaway.

good god im so happy this guy is someone elses problem now.

Tmath
10-30-2013, 05:22 PM
fakes, gets defender in the air, instead of driving or taking the open shot, he decides to take 1 step in than shoot an off balance fadeaway.

good god im so happy this guy is someone elses problem now.

It makes it even better that he is the Knicks problem, couldn't have asked for a better team to stink up on.

LAKobeBryant
10-30-2013, 05:24 PM
Only reason i brought up novak is because barg is nothing but a spot up shooter. he doesn't create his own shots nor for his team mates as the "franchise player" in his years in Toronto.

Don't compare barg to novak on rebs, fts, etc it just silly like what you said.

Sandman
10-30-2013, 05:26 PM
They traded Camby who was useless, Novak who was useful in the regular season, but useless in the playoffs... and potentially got someone who is also useless, or maybe is a decent comp player. No matter what, the Knicks can only gain.

I think Woodson is right on with this move, the only thing is Amare & Bargs off the bench is puke defensively. You won't get a weakside rotation to the perimeter shooter EVER.
this. they need him to be better than Novak. the bar is not set very high.

Between the 3 of them (Bargs/Kmart/Amare) they could end up running into issues because of depth/injuries if Bargs plays too much center, but right now he just needs to be better than Novak.

nycericanguy
10-30-2013, 05:27 PM
Only reason i brought up novak is because barg is nothing but a spot up shooter. he doesn't create his own shots nor for his team mates as the "franchise player" in his years in Toronto.

Don't compare barg to novak on rebs, fts, etc it just silly like what you said.

Of course he does! You don't score 20ppg in this league if you can't create his own shot.

Unless his game completely changed this season but in the preseason games he was absolutely creating for himself.

LAKobeBryant
10-30-2013, 05:34 PM
Of course he does! You don't score 20ppg in this league if you can't create his own shot.

Unless his game completely changed this season but in the preseason games he was absolutely creating for himself.

you don't need to create when your a 7 foot shooting guard.

Tmath
10-30-2013, 05:36 PM
this. they need him to be better than Novak. the bar is not set very high.

Between the 3 of them (Bargs/Kmart/Amare) they could end up running into issues because of depth/injuries if Bargs plays too much center, but right now he just needs to be better than Novak.

The thing is, Novak plays his role. Stand in the corner, and shoot 3's.

Bargs can out perform Novak in stats, but can he play his role better than Novak? that is what really matters when you are trying to win games.

Rockice_8
10-30-2013, 05:39 PM
most teams 2nd unit doesn't really have great 5 men anyway i actually think a bargs stat 4 5 will be good off the bench and to awnser your question

bargs
stat/kmart
jr/hardaway
beno
prigs

we are one of if not the deepest team in the league if anything starting mwp actually helps out our bench rotations


Offensively yeah a healthy Amare and Bargs can do some damage to second units but man that might be the worst defensive pairing in the NBA. Two straight up sieves on D.

I actually think the Knicks are pretty deep (top 5 ish, BK, INDY, MIA I like more) but having Beno has your backup SG looks pretty awful if you ask me. With Metta off the bench I thought it balanced your lineup out better but again it's a fluid thing throughout the game so starting doesn't matter so much.

nycericanguy
10-30-2013, 05:44 PM
Offensively yeah a healthy Amare and Bargs can do some damage to second units but man that might be the worst defensive pairing in the NBA. Two straight up sieves on D.

I actually think the Knicks are pretty deep (top 5 ish, BK, INDY, MIA I like more) but having Beno has your backup SG looks pretty awful if you ask me. With Metta off the bench I thought it balanced your lineup out better but again it's a fluid thing throughout the game so starting doesn't matter so much.

Beno is not a SG, The backup SG is JR, and Tim Hardaway JR is the 3rd SG and he's looked great so far.

xxplayerxx23
10-30-2013, 05:49 PM
Much better lineup. From 48 to 53 win team.

Only thing that worries me is size inside against bigger teams but I agree

YoungOne
10-30-2013, 06:08 PM
knicks forum = nba forum?

meloman1592
10-30-2013, 06:24 PM
Lol nobody can hate on this. They made the right move.

Who's the bigger bust, Bargniani or Darko?

This can't be serious

meloman1592
10-30-2013, 06:25 PM
Offensively yeah a healthy Amare and Bargs can do some damage to second units but man that might be the worst defensive pairing in the NBA. Two straight up sieves on D.

I actually think the Knicks are pretty deep (top 5 ish, BK, INDY, MIA I like more) but having Beno has your backup SG looks pretty awful if you ask me. With Metta off the bench I thought it balanced your lineup out better but again it's a fluid thing throughout the game so starting doesn't matter so much.

Fail

Sandman
10-30-2013, 07:48 PM
The thing is, Novak plays his role. Stand in the corner, and shoot 3's.

Bargs can out perform Novak in stats, but can he play his role better than Novak? that is what really matters when you are trying to win games.

I don't disagree but other 3PT specialists can at least do 1 or 2 other things. He literally had a better fg% beyond the arc than inside of it.

Novak also couldnt create his own shot, if it wasnt catch and shoot it was a turnover.

We need Bargs for the same reason we need Amare, Melo shouldn't play 4 against big teams.

Not saying Bargs is going to light up West or Hibbert, but if we trade 2 fouls from Melo to West/Hibbert it changes the dynamic of that series.

Given that he's replacing Melo at PF and taking Novak's minutes I don't think there's a huge impact on defense/rebounding.

Bargs isn't going to make any all star teams but he can definitely do more than Novak.

Sandman
10-30-2013, 07:48 PM
BTW looks like its Prigs not Metta in the starting lineup

nycericanguy
10-30-2013, 07:50 PM
Yea looks like Bargs is starting tomorrow, Woody is just basing it on matchups, MIL plays small, CHI is big.

deaner
10-30-2013, 09:57 PM
With Bargs on the Knicks roster... If there was a third team in NYC... The Knicks would be the third best team. Enjoy watching him NY.

Rockice_8
10-31-2013, 09:15 AM
Beno is not a SG, The backup SG is JR, and Tim Hardaway JR is the 3rd SG and he's looked great so far.

Then who is the backup SF? I didn't put Beno as the backup SG East FB Knicks did when listing your bench. He listed JR at backup SF. When JR gets back yeah he should be the backup SG I get it. I know where JR plays.

nycericanguy
10-31-2013, 11:25 AM
Then who is the backup SF? I didn't put Beno as the backup SG East FB Knicks did when listing your bench. He listed JR at backup SF. When JR gets back yeah he should be the backup SG I get it. I know where JR plays.

MWP

But JR & Shump will see some time at SF too, there's a logjam at SG with JR, Shump, Hardaway and Prigs who plays SG in the two PG lineup like last night.

We have a lot more flexibility this year. Kmart & Shump are here all year, and we don't have the four 40 year olds that don't play.

NYKnickFanatic
10-31-2013, 11:30 AM
With Bargs on the Knicks roster... If there was a third team in NYC... The Knicks would be the third best team. Enjoy watching him NY.

I don't get the hate for Bargs from Toronto fans. I understand he was terrible for you guys, after Bosh left, but he isn't a number one option. Plus he was dealing with injuries. He always has nothing but nice things to say about Toronto and their fans, so what am I missing?

Sandman
10-31-2013, 11:32 AM
With Bargs on the Knicks roster... If there was a third team in NYC... The Knicks would be the third best team. Enjoy watching him NY.

Toronto only has 1 NBA team and they're still 3rd best. Behind a team of roided up Blue Jays and Drake's crew.

nycericanguy
10-31-2013, 11:33 AM
I don't get the hate for Bargs from Toronto fans. I understand he was terrible for you guys, after Bosh left, but he isn't a number one option. Plus he was dealing with injuries. He always has nothing but nice things to say about Toronto and their fans, so what am I missing?

Yea there are a few fans with some odd obsession with him.

We suffered through Eddy Curry, and I was so glad he was gone and I never spoke of him again...lol. These guys can't let go of Bargs, he's not in TOR anymore, why not worry about your team? Instead they are in the Knick forum now all day and talking about the Knicks in the TOR forum too. It's almost creepy how obsessed they are with the guy. Bargs would be LOL if he saw how infatuated some people still are with him.

Sandman
10-31-2013, 11:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-e40QSsf4

NYKnickFanatic
10-31-2013, 11:39 AM
Yea there are a few fans with some odd obsession with him.

We suffered through Eddy Curry, and I was so glad he was gone and I never spoke of him again...lol. These guys can't let go of Bargs, he's not in TOR anymore, why not worry about your team? Instead they are in the Knick forum now all day and talking about the Knicks in the TOR forum too. It's almost creepy how obsessed they are with the guy. Bargs would be LOL if he saw how infatuated some people still are with him.

Ahh Curry, those were the days. Lol

NYKnickFanatic
10-31-2013, 11:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-e40QSsf4

:laugh2:

killersweet
10-31-2013, 11:53 AM
I don't get the hate for Bargs from Toronto fans. I understand he was terrible for you guys, after Bosh left, but he isn't a number one option. Plus he was dealing with injuries. He always has nothing but nice things to say about Toronto and their fans, so what am I missing?

Bargnani was coddled by the then GM who fell in love with him. Refused to move him even though all signs pointing that Bargs will never succeed in Toronto. Fans became infuriated by this and they really began to hate the guy. He was simply coasting on the graces of the GM. The teammates didnít like him. Now I think most of the Toronto fans have moved on. For me personally this year is a relief that Toronto doesnít have him. He was a major distraction for the team. I could care less what he does in NY. Glad he is not our problem anymore.

Tmath
10-31-2013, 11:58 AM
Yea there are a few fans with some odd obsession with him.

We suffered through Eddy Curry, and I was so glad he was gone and I never spoke of him again...lol. These guys can't let go of Bargs, he's not in TOR anymore, why not worry about your team? Instead they are in the Knick forum now all day and talking about the Knicks in the TOR forum too. It's almost creepy how obsessed they are with the guy. Bargs would be LOL if he saw how infatuated some people still are with him.

Its not about an obsession with Bargnani. Its more that he plays for the Knicks. For example, if he was traded to the Timberwolves, I could care less, but the fact he plays for the Knicks... makes it so much more fun. :D

KnickaBocka.44
10-31-2013, 12:03 PM
Its not about an obsession with Bargnani. Its more that he plays for the Knicks. For example, if he was traded to the Timberwolves, I could care less, but the fact he plays for the Knicks... makes it so much more fun. :D

What is fun exactly? You have nothing to gloat about as of the moment. If he ends up being even okay, you are all going to look like morons for wanting to rub it in someone's face so badly.

You do realize that the Knicks will have to completely collapse as a team for you to be able to say anything, right? The odds are not in your favor. Even if Bargs plays like **** and gets benched, and the Knicks continue winning, there's no room for you to talk.

nycericanguy
10-31-2013, 12:42 PM
Bargnani was coddled by the then GM who fell in love with him. Refused to move him even though all signs pointing that Bargs will never succeed in Toronto. Fans became infuriated by this and they really began to hate the guy. He was simply coasting on the graces of the GM. The teammates didn’t like him. Now I think most of the Toronto fans have moved on. For me personally this year is a relief that Toronto doesn’t have him. He was a major distraction for the team. I could care less what he does in NY. Glad he is not our problem anymore.

Maybe most have, but man you guys have some oddballs on your forum...lol.

It's like breaking up with a GF, and badmouthing how bad she was... and then talking to her new BF about her non stop! It just makes it seem like they aren't happy he's gone. Some people just need to move on... I had to put a few posters on ignore and I never do that.

It's double talk too, Tmath i think came into the Knick forum wishing Bargs and NY well and trying all these backhanded statements, but then I saw all his posts about how much he hates NY and Bargs in the TOR forum and how much he wants them to fail and I realized he was just a troll.

It's pathetic...

koreancabbage
10-31-2013, 12:45 PM
What is fun exactly? You have nothing to gloat about as of the moment. If he ends up being even okay, you are all going to look like morons for wanting to rub it in someone's face so badly.

You do realize that the Knicks will have to completely collapse as a team for you to be able to say anything, right? The odds are not in your favor. Even if Bargs plays like **** and gets benched, and the Knicks continue winning, there's no room for you to talk.

1. he will get benched and booed when he plays
2. Knicks will get their wins this year and in the small window they have left with Melo
3. we will continue to talk b/c we already accepted this Raptors team sucks. you can diss our team but its going to fall on deaf ears. we'll just talk about how underperforming your team is in the playoffs with Bargnani, Woodson, Amare, Melo - and you know what, its true! another 2nd round exit for you guys.
4. and you have Bargnani. LOL

#4 is the icing on the cake.

nycericanguy
10-31-2013, 12:47 PM
1. he will get benched and booed when he plays
2. Knicks will get their wins this year and in the small window they have left with Melo
3. we will continue to talk b/c we already accepted this Raptors team sucks. you can diss our team but its going to fall on deaf ears. we'll just talk about how underperforming your team is in the playoffs with Bargnani, Woodson, Amare, Melo - and you know what, its true! another 2nd round exit for you guys.
4. and you have Bargnani. LOL

#4 is the icing on the cake.

Ahh I always kinda thought you were a NY hater from all your anti-ny arguments, thanks for confirming!

Keep the haters coming! We're nothing but a 6-8 seed right! :D

KnickaBocka.44
10-31-2013, 02:00 PM
1. he will get benched and booed when he plays
2. Knicks will get their wins this year and in the small window they have left with Melo
3. we will continue to talk b/c we already accepted this Raptors team sucks. you can diss our team but its going to fall on deaf ears. we'll just talk about how underperforming your team is in the playoffs with Bargnani, Woodson, Amare, Melo - and you know what, its true! another 2nd round exit for you guys.
4. and you have Bargnani. LOL

#4 is the icing on the cake.

You made the mistake of thinking that we waste our time talking about the Raptors.

I didn't say anything about the Raptors' team in my post, yet you decided to take an unwarranted cheap shot at my team....You've made your agenda quite clear.

koreancabbage
10-31-2013, 02:52 PM
Ahh I always kinda thought you were a NY hater from all your anti-ny arguments, thanks for confirming!

Keep the haters coming! We're nothing but a 6-8 seed right! :D


You made the mistake of thinking that we waste our time talking about the Raptors.

I didn't say anything about the Raptors' team in my post, yet you decided to take an unwarranted cheap shot at my team....You've made your agenda quite clear.

i'm fine with the team...up until the point where Knicks fans start talking up their team as championship contenders when noone else thinks that they are lol. and then the trash talking started two years ago when 99% of all the knicks fans on this forum were saying they would beat the Heat. I mean you all expected them to go far into the playoffs but I don't think anyone else, indifferent to the Knicks, expected it.

I mean now I can see some of you are now saying Melo needs help and reasons x,y, and z are why the Knicks lost even though they were the exact reasons why most of you thought the Knicks would beat the Heat. ya. including last year.

i'm not saying all Knicks, but a lot of them are like this.

I mean you praise the Bargnani trade and how this would make your team better.... lol ....but maybe you're overestimating the (de)value that Bargnani brings to your team. his inefficient act goes along with Carmelo's inefficient act. You say his scoring will make your team better but realistically, he's a liability on offense and defense and will fade in games b/c he won't have the ball in his hands. and now you're going deeper into your bench b.c Bargnani sucks.

The Knicks are the definition of a underachieving team. underachieving players and coaches. but of course you guys don't see that.

Beltrans Mole
10-31-2013, 03:09 PM
i'm fine with the team...up until the point where Knicks fans start talking up their team as championship contenders when noone else thinks that they are lol. and then the trash talking started two years ago when 99% of all the knicks fans on this forum were saying they would beat the Heat. I mean you all expected them to go far into the playoffs but I don't think anyone else, indifferent to the Knicks, expected it.

I mean now I can see some of you are now saying Melo needs help and reasons x,y, and z are why the Knicks lost even though they were the exact reasons why most of you thought the Knicks would beat the Heat. ya. including last year.

i'm not saying all Knicks, but a lot of them are like this.

I mean you praise the Bargnani trade and how this would make your team better.... lol ....but maybe you're overestimating the (de)value that Bargnani brings to your team. his inefficient act goes along with Carmelo's inefficient act. You say his scoring will make your team better but realistically, he's a liability on offense and defense and will fade in games b/c he won't have the ball in his hands. and now you're going deeper into your bench b.c Bargnani sucks.

The Knicks are the definition of a underachieving team. underachieving players and coaches. but of course you guys don't see that.

They were projected to be a 4-5 seed AT BEST last year and finished with 53 wins 2nd in the East. Oh, and this year they are projected to be behind 4 teams again in the East. So how the hell could you ever say that they are the definition of an underachieving team? Clearly the experts and the media seem to think they were overachieving last year, so that makes zero sense.

KnickaBocka.44
10-31-2013, 03:26 PM
i'm fine with the team...up until the point where Knicks fans start talking up their team as championship contenders when noone else thinks that they are lol. and then the trash talking started two years ago when 99% of all the knicks fans on this forum were saying they would beat the Heat. I mean you all expected them to go far into the playoffs but I don't think anyone else, indifferent to the Knicks, expected it.

I mean now I can see some of you are now saying Melo needs help and reasons x,y, and z are why the Knicks lost even though they were the exact reasons why most of you thought the Knicks would beat the Heat. ya. including last year.

i'm not saying all Knicks, but a lot of them are like this.

I mean you praise the Bargnani trade and how this would make your team better.... lol ....but maybe you're overestimating the (de)value that Bargnani brings to your team. his inefficient act goes along with Carmelo's inefficient act. You say his scoring will make your team better but realistically, he's a liability on offense and defense and will fade in games b/c he won't have the ball in his hands. and now you're going deeper into your bench b.c Bargnani sucks.

The Knicks are the definition of a underachieving team. underachieving players and coaches. but of course you guys don't see that.

1. There has been maybe one Knick fan on this forum say that we are title contenders. We all know who he is and he should not represent the entire fan base.

2. We were rooting for our team to make a playoff run just like anyone else does. This is the internet, people talk trash. It doesn't mean people actually [I]expected[I] our 7 seed, with injuries all down the roster, to beat the Heat 2 years ago.

KnickaBocka.44
10-31-2013, 03:27 PM
They were projected to be a 4-5 seed AT BEST last year and finished with 53 wins 2nd in the East. Oh, and this year they are projected to be behind 4 teams again in the East. So how the hell could you ever say that they are the definition of an underachieving team? Clearly the experts and the media seem to think they were overachieving last year, so that makes zero sense.

This. As well.

ManningToTyree
10-31-2013, 03:34 PM
Ahh I always kinda thought you were a NY hater from all your anti-ny arguments, thanks for confirming!

Keep the haters coming! We're nothing but a 6-8 seed right! :D


You made the mistake of thinking that we waste our time talking about the Raptors.

I didn't say anything about the Raptors' team in my post, yet you decided to take an unwarranted cheap shot at my team....You've made your agenda quite clear.

i'm fine with the team...up until the point where Knicks fans start talking up their team as championship contenders when noone else thinks that they are lol. and then the trash talking started two years ago when 99% of all the knicks fans on this forum were saying they would beat the Heat. I mean you all expected them to go far into the playoffs but I don't think anyone else, indifferent to the Knicks, expected it.

I mean now I can see some of you are now saying Melo needs help and reasons x,y, and z are why the Knicks lost even though they were the exact reasons why most of you thought the Knicks would beat the Heat. ya. including last year.

i'm not saying all Knicks, but a lot of them are like this.

I mean you praise the Bargnani trade and how this would make your team better.... lol ....but maybe you're overestimating the (de)value that Bargnani brings to your team. his inefficient act goes along with Carmelo's inefficient act. You say his scoring will make your team better but realistically, he's a liability on offense and defense and will fade in games b/c he won't have the ball in his hands. and now you're going deeper into your bench b.c Bargnani sucks.

The Knicks are the definition of a underachieving team. underachieving players and coaches. but of course you guys don't see that. thanks for proving you have no credibility. I don't remember a single knick fan saying we would beat the heat. Not sure how we under achieved if we aren't a contender. You can't be on both sides of that argument.

Kashmir13579
10-31-2013, 03:36 PM
Not to mention all the critics and cynics were dead wrong about us last year, so they don't have a leg to stand on this year. Small-minded haters.

Jamiecballer
10-31-2013, 03:51 PM
Not to mention all the critics and cynics were dead wrong about us last year, so they don't have a leg to stand on this year. Small-minded haters.

just because some people are wrong one year does not make everyone automatically wrong the next.

you guys overachieved last year. it's very rare to have so many guys all have great years shooting the 3 all in the same season. it will be very tough to repeat that.

deaner
10-31-2013, 04:50 PM
just because some people are wrong one year does not make everyone automatically wrong the next.

you guys overachieved last year. it's very rare to have so many guys all have great years shooting the 3 all in the same season. it will be very tough to repeat that.

I think that's the dave Hoopla factor. He's that good.

Kashmir13579
10-31-2013, 05:12 PM
just because some people are wrong one year does not make everyone automatically wrong the next.

you guys overachieved last year. it's very rare to have so many guys all have great years shooting the 3 all in the same season. it will be very tough to repeat that.

You would have me believe 3pt shooting is the only noteworthy factor in the conversation. Like i said, simple minded. Get back in the Knicks forum where you belong.

Jamiecballer
10-31-2013, 05:27 PM
You would have me believe 3pt shooting is the only noteworthy factor in the conversation. Like i said, simple minded. Get back in the Knicks forum where you belong.

no, it's not the only factor. but it could very easily be the difference between 54 wins and say, 49 in a league where games are generally decided by rather small margins.

killersweet
11-01-2013, 12:11 PM
Maybe most have, but man you guys have some oddballs on your forum...lol.

It's like breaking up with a GF, and badmouthing how bad she was... and then talking to her new BF about her non stop! It just makes it seem like they aren't happy he's gone. Some people just need to move on... I had to put a few posters on ignore and I never do that.

It's double talk too, Tmath i think came into the Knick forum wishing Bargs and NY well and trying all these backhanded statements, but then I saw all his posts about how much he hates NY and Bargs in the TOR forum and how much he wants them to fail and I realized he was just a troll.

It's pathetic...

Well, may be some fans havenít moved on from Bargnani. I guess it is like your get a hot girlfriend and then find out she is a real drag. Then after years of misery, you finally break up and she finds another guy. Some guys wonít be happy if their ex is very happy with another guy. So they keep tab on her life and ultimately they want her to fail again. May be thatís what some fans are feeling. As for me, I am very glad Bargnani is gone and mainly because he is such a frustrating player to watch.

I Rock Shaqs
11-01-2013, 12:16 PM
Well, may be some fans haven’t moved on from Bargnani. I guess it is like your get a hot girlfriend and then find out she is a real drag. Then after years of misery, you finally break up and she finds another guy. Some guys won’t be happy if their ex is very happy with another guy. So they keep tab on her life and ultimately they want her to fail again. May be that’s what some fans are feeling. As for me, I am very glad Bargnani is gone and mainly because he is such a frustrating player to watch.

You would stay with her/him after you found out they were a drag queen?!?! :eyebrow:

killersweet
11-01-2013, 03:58 PM
You would stay with her/him after you found out they were a drag queen?!?! :eyebrow:

haha, well, that's a different scenario. But some may like it ;)

Guppyfighter
11-02-2013, 07:05 AM
"People who don't like my team as much as me are haters." - Kash