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Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 05:14 PM
McHale was saying that he may start Beverly. Either in tandem with Lin or bring Lin off the bench. I'm assuming the latter since that's a pretty small backcourt.

Good move? I love Beverly's defense but his playmaking skills are kinda shaky. As broke as Lins jumper is he can create shots....

Got this off hoopshype btw, maybe someone can post the link I'm on my phone.

nycericanguy
10-24-2013, 05:25 PM
I never really got the feeling McHale or even the HOU organization really believed in Lin. Maybe Morey does/did...

Plus he's a horrible fit with Harden who always wants the ball and turns it over a ton...

I think they kinda wanted to use Lin as a fake star until they got Howard or someone else, but then they fell into Harden quicker than expected.

And Lin, he probably should have stayed in NY, I mean obviously HOU wasn't a big believer in him, they had just cut him what 6 months prior?

TrueFan420
10-24-2013, 05:29 PM
Lin is a bad fit next to harden.

mightybosstone
10-24-2013, 05:33 PM
As a Rockets fan who has watched this situation like a hawk over the past year, starting Beverley is the smart move. And before anyone takes a crap on Lin or thinks that Beverley is necessarily a better player, that couldn't be further from the truth. The problem is that Harden and Lin are just too similar, they're both playmaking, pick and roll specialists who excel at driving to the rim and creating for others. But there's only one basketball and Harden will pretty much always be the one running the offense as long as he's on the floor.

Meanwhile, Beverley provides two things that make him an ideal fit next to Harden: solid spot shooting from the perimeter and great perimeter defense. He can't create for other like Lin, but the Rockets don't need him to with Harden on the floor. He plays great defense and he fits the role of what the Rockets need like a glove. BUT, Lin is actually a great fit as a 6th man. Not only can he run the offense when Harden's off the floor, but he can come off the bench to provide the occasional, much needed offensive spark. I could see them playing around with that duo, and you'll also small ball lineups with Beverley, Lin and Harden all on the floor. But right now, Beverley is the better fit to start and Lin is a far better 6th man option.

mightybosstone
10-24-2013, 05:34 PM
Also, I think this thread title is misleading. If Lin comes off the bench, I still expect him to get 25-30 minutes per game. It's not like he's backing up an elite point guard. He'd be a 6th man in an extremely versatile offense that plays a ton of small ball and will find a lot of opportunities to get him on the court.

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 05:34 PM
I never really got the feeling McHale or even the HOU organization really believed in Lin. Maybe Morey does/did...

Plus he's a horrible fit with Harden who always wants the ball and turns it over a ton...

I think they kinda wanted to use Lin as a fake star until they got Howard or someone else, but then they fell into Harden quicker than expected.

And Lin, he probably should have stayed in NY, I mean obviously HOU wasn't a big believer in him, they had just cut him what 6 months prior?

If I were Lin, Dantoni would be getting a portion of my check. Playing in that free for all, who cares if you make or miss offense made him look really good. In a more structured situation he gets exposed.

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 05:37 PM
Also, I think this thread title is misleading. If Lin comes off the bench, I still expect him to get 25-30 minutes per game. It's not like he's backing up an elite point guard. He'd be a 6th man in an extremely versatile offense that plays a ton of small ball and will find a lot of opportunities to get him on the court.


Nobody said he wouldn't get burn, just not start. No offense but I've noticed your kindof sensitive when it comes to Lin...

Hawkeye15
10-24-2013, 05:37 PM
Lin needs the ball in his hands to be most effective, so having him lead the 2nd unit may be a wiser strategy. He can offer some instant scoring to a unit that might otherwise suffer in that department if Beverly is running it.

Stunner
10-24-2013, 05:39 PM
Before the Draft I thought the Bucks and Orlando would be perfect places for Lin to show some of his NY form . Not so much the bucks now but maybe still the Magic .

xabial
10-24-2013, 05:48 PM
I don't care if my career dies in Houston let alone "Linsanity". I would have taken the $15m guaranteed all day everyday. I'm very happy for Lin because he was a nobody, and he turned himself into a somebody breaking many barriers in his way and giving hope to millions of asian americans everywhere.

My favorite game was when he carved the Lakers two 7 footers in Gasol/Bynum for 38 points as the Knicks won 92-85 on 02-10-2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTkbn9Sprs

J.lin would be scoring it all over the place, the reason he was good was because Carmelo and Stoudemire were out. Injury. That's why they depended on Lin. Now that Rockets have Dwight and Harden, Lin is more of a pass first guy. He doesn't get chances. Also when the Lakers fired Mike D'antoni and hired Mike Woodson Mike Woodson wasn't as big of a beleiver in Lin as Mike D'antoni.

Stunner
10-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Yea we will only see the Lin of old if he's the lead guard in the backcourt . That's why I felt the Bucks would have been perfect for him , he's better than Knight and all they needed to do was sign a SG who moved well without the ball and defend .

JesusNYY_Savior
10-24-2013, 06:01 PM
I don't care if my career dies in Houston let alone "Linsanity". I would have taken the $15m guaranteed all day everyday. I'm very happy for Lin because he was a nobody, and he turned himself into a somebody breaking many barriers in his way and giving hope to millions of asian americans everywhere.

My favorite game was when he carved the Lakers two 7 footers in Gasol/Bynum for 38 points as the Knicks won 92-85 on 02-10-2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTkbn9Sprs

J.lin would be scoring it all over the place, the reason he was good was because Carmelo and Stoudemire were out. Injury. That's why they depended on Lin. Now that Rockets have Dwight and Harden, Lin is more of a pass first guy. He doesn't get chances. Also when the Lakers fired Mike D'antoni and hired Mike Woodson Mike Woodson wasn't as big of a beleiver in Lin as Mike D'antoni.
D'antoni didnt believe in Lin either, it took a plethora of injuries for him to get any burn. And btw wrong team

rhino17
10-24-2013, 06:06 PM
They are both gonna play 30 minutes a game so it doesn't really matter

I think Bev starts he fits the starting lineup better.

Lin coming off the bench allows him to play with the ball in his hands more, I think he will thrive in that role.

That being said, the crunch time lineup will have both of them in together, Bev running the point and gaurding the 2s, with Lin playing off of hi

heyman321
10-24-2013, 07:08 PM
If I were Lin, Dantoni would be getting a portion of my check. Playing in that free for all, who cares if you make or miss offense made him look really good. In a more structured situation he gets exposed.

But he averaged the exact same stats during the Linsanity run as he did last year with Houston...D'antoni didn't do anything except let him play. Lin is a servicable point guard, not a star, but not terrible. People either need to A) get off his dick or B) stop treating him like a scrub cause he isn't one.

LongIslandIcedZ
10-24-2013, 07:09 PM
I would like him back on the Knicks.

His debut game was still the best game I've ever been to.

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 07:18 PM
But he averaged the exact same stats during the Linsanity run as he did last year with Houston...D'antoni didn't do anything except let him play. Lin is a servicable point guard, not a star, but not terrible. People either need to A) get off his dick or B) stop treating him like a scrub cause he isn't one.

During the Linsanity stretch ( not the entire season) he was putting up like 20 + points. DAntoni gave him the total green light whereas McHale is quick to yank him when he screws up.

I agree as a backup he's adequate. Houston shouldn't have hyped him so much though. When he first got there they were touting him as the future allstar, franchise pg like he was Ricky Rubio.

mightybosstone
10-24-2013, 07:21 PM
Nobody said he wouldn't get burn, just not start. No offense but I've noticed your kindof sensitive when it comes to Lin...

I'm a Rockets fan, so I'm sensitive to Rockets players. And I'm probably less sensitive about Lin than I am most guys on the roster, as I've bee as critical of him at times as any Rockets fan on this site. That doesn't change the fact that your thread title was a poor one. If you saw a thread that said "No more Kobe?," you would expect to open the thread and find out that the guy either retired or was traded or something that would lead to a significantly lessened role on the Lakers.

"No more Linsanity?" makes it seem like the guy has been cut or traded or was going to receive a significant reduction in playing time. None of those were true. A better title would have been something like "Beverley to start over Lin?" or "Lin to play more of a 6th man role in Houston?" I know these things. As a journalist, you have to learn how to write a good, succinct headline.

jam
10-24-2013, 07:25 PM
LMAO!!!! This is just so precious. You fapped to lin every day during his entire linsanity run and stay with the knicks and now you're the obsessed stalker ex now that he's gone. Get over it, you're not a 12 year old girl (or are you?).

Lin will make $100+ million in career salary, have every opportunity and door opened to him when he retires, and will continue to be an ambassador for the game, setting up foundations, coaching or broadcasting if he so chooses, etc.

Meanwhile, you'll still be shagging fries at mcdonald's and spamming this board non-stop until you reach 20K posts. Pathetic. Move on with your life.


During the Linsanity stretch ( not the entire season) he was putting up like 20 + points. DAntoni gave him the total green light whereas McHale is quick to yank him when he screws up.

I agree as a backup he's adequate. Houston shouldn't have hyped him so much though. When he first got there they were touting him as the future allstar, franchise pg like he was Ricky Rubio.

sep11ie
10-24-2013, 07:26 PM
I'm a Rockets fan, so I'm sensitive to Rockets players. And I'm probably less sensitive about Lin than I am most guys on the roster, as I've bee as critical of him at times as any Rockets fan on this site. That doesn't change the fact that your thread title was a poor one. If you saw a thread that said "No more Kobe?," you would expect to open the thread and find out that the guy either retired or was traded or something that would lead to a significantly lessened role on the Lakers.

"No more Linsanity?" makes it seem like the guy has been cut or traded or was going to receive a significant reduction in playing time. None of those were true. A better title would have been something like "Beverley to start over Lin?" or "Lin to play more of a 6th man role in Houston?" I know these things. As a journalist, you have to learn how to write a good, succinct headline.

Look who the thread starter is. The dude is always trying to dog the Rockets. He is piss poor at doing so though.

jam
10-24-2013, 07:31 PM
Look who the thread starter is. The dude is always trying to dog the Rockets. He is piss poor at doing so though.

The butthurt is strong with OP. He misses his Jewemy Win sooooooo dang much! Bwaaa waaaa waaa!

I almost fell out of my chair when he referred to RICKY RUBIO as a FRANCHISE POINT GUARD! LMAO! Li'l ricky is averaging 10 ppg on 35% shooting from the field and is shooting a remarkable (remarkably horrible) 29% from 3's.

I think OP has been spending too much time on the crack pipe with his "boy" J.R.

THE MTL
10-24-2013, 07:38 PM
Lin should have stayed in NY

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 07:41 PM
Lin should have stayed in NY

If they hadn't totally mishandled his restrictive free agency I think he'd still be a Knick.

jam
10-24-2013, 07:48 PM
If they hadn't totally mishandled his restrictive free agency I think he'd still be a Knick.

Exactly as I stated: butthurt lin fan crying in his pillow now that he's gone.

There's no need to be worried son. You've got the 15th best player in the nba, a crackhead for a 2 guard, a point guard committed to his weight watchers diet plan, a euro weenie "power forward" and an ironman in amare stoudemire.

Knicks for the championship!!!

FOBolous
10-24-2013, 08:02 PM
What makes you think Houston doesn't want Linsanity anymore? He's been great in pre-season and have shown marked improvement in certain areas...most notably he's shooting. If Beverly does end up starting over Lin, it's not a critique on Lin as a player but more of who "fits" certain rotation better. As Lin said..."We have different strengths. [Beverley] is such a good defender and shooter. I am better with the ball in my hands, attacking."

While Beverly isn't the slasher, scorer, and creator Lin is, his strength (defense and spot up shooting) fits Houston's Harden-centric starting lineup better. Lin, who's skilled with attacking the rim and creating for his teammates, fits better with the 2nd unit where he can have the ball and is able to control the offense. Coming off the bench, with Harden resting, Lin can provide a very good spark on offense.

The preseason seem to back this assumption. Whenever Lin's on the court with Houston's bench player, Houston's 2nd unit was able to outplay the opponent's 2nd unit and help Houston in either maintaining or increasing Houston's lead. Houston's bench players also seem to player better with Lin creating for them. Cassipi and Motiejunas both had monster games playing with Lin....much like how Novak and NYC's other role players were great during Lin's "Linsanity" run.

so the assumption that Houston doesn't want Lin anymore or "Linsanity is over" just because Lin might be coming off the bench is completely wrong.

Chronz
10-24-2013, 08:13 PM
As a Rockets fan who has watched this situation like a hawk over the past year, starting Beverley is the smart move. And before anyone takes a crap on Lin or thinks that Beverley is necessarily a better player, that couldn't be further from the truth. The problem is that Harden and Lin are just too similar, they're both playmaking, pick and roll specialists who excel at driving to the rim and creating for others. But there's only one basketball and Harden will pretty much always be the one running the offense as long as he's on the floor.

Meanwhile, Beverley provides two things that make him an ideal fit next to Harden: solid spot shooting from the perimeter and great perimeter defense. He can't create for other like Lin, but the Rockets don't need him to with Harden on the floor. He plays great defense and he fits the role of what the Rockets need like a glove. BUT, Lin is actually a great fit as a 6th man. Not only can he run the offense when Harden's off the floor, but he can come off the bench to provide the occasional, much needed offensive spark. I could see them playing around with that duo, and you'll also small ball lineups with Beverley, Lin and Harden all on the floor. But right now, Beverley is the better fit to start and Lin is a far better 6th man option.

I dont understand why Harden cant go back to being the guy who allows the PG to shine while being extremely efficient himself. He should be able to play off of anyone. Is it really too bad to have him play off the ball sometimes.

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 10:33 PM
I dont understand why Harden cant go back to being the guy who allows the PG to shine while being extremely efficient himself. He should be able to play off of anyone. Is it really too bad to have him play off the ball sometimes.

When you're playing with two guys that can completely ball you can't get away with dominating it. KD or Westbrook, or both, were on the floor with him at all times. Now he has the keys to the car. It's his show.

I suspect a breakout year for Parsons though, which will make him give the rock up a bit more.

John Walls Era
10-24-2013, 10:36 PM
I dont understand why Harden cant go back to being the guy who allows the PG to shine while being extremely efficient himself. He should be able to play off of anyone. Is it really too bad to have him play off the ball sometimes.

When was he that guy? Harden even for the Thunder played with the ball in his hands.

DreamShaker
10-25-2013, 12:45 AM
As a Rockets fan who has watched this situation like a hawk over the past year, starting Beverley is the smart move. And before anyone takes a crap on Lin or thinks that Beverley is necessarily a better player, that couldn't be further from the truth. The problem is that Harden and Lin are just too similar, they're both playmaking, pick and roll specialists who excel at driving to the rim and creating for others. But there's only one basketball and Harden will pretty much always be the one running the offense as long as he's on the floor.

Meanwhile, Beverley provides two things that make him an ideal fit next to Harden: solid spot shooting from the perimeter and great perimeter defense. He can't create for other like Lin, but the Rockets don't need him to with Harden on the floor. He plays great defense and he fits the role of what the Rockets need like a glove. BUT, Lin is actually a great fit as a 6th man. Not only can he run the offense when Harden's off the floor, but he can come off the bench to provide the occasional, much needed offensive spark. I could see them playing around with that duo, and you'll also small ball lineups with Beverley, Lin and Harden all on the floor. But right now, Beverley is the better fit to start and Lin is a far better 6th man option.


Also, I think this thread title is misleading. If Lin comes off the bench, I still expect him to get 25-30 minutes per game. It's not like he's backing up an elite point guard. He'd be a 6th man in an extremely versatile offense that plays a ton of small ball and will find a lot of opportunities to get him on the court.

Totally agree with this. Lin is going to be a vital part of the team this year. P-Bev is just a better fit with the starters. All the better teams recently have utilized a 6th man that finishes many games. No different here.

DreamShaker
10-25-2013, 01:00 AM
I dont understand why Harden cant go back to being the guy who allows the PG to shine while being extremely efficient himself. He should be able to play off of anyone. Is it really too bad to have him play off the ball sometimes.

It might be Dwight and Harden together that makes the Lin fit less smooth. The ball gets swung around a lot and P-Bev is looking like a much better spot up shooter. Harden is spotting up more now, as well.

Raps18-19 Champ
10-25-2013, 01:04 AM
Smart move. Lin is a better scorer than Beverly and they already have enough scorers with Howard, Parsons and Harden in the starting 5.

Lin can come off the bench for like 20-28 mins and get 10-13 points for them.

Max.This
10-25-2013, 01:17 AM
Lin plays like Harden minus all the skill. Bring him back NY!

Chronz
10-25-2013, 01:37 AM
When was he that guy? Harden even for the Thunder played with the ball in his hands.

Yea but it never inhibited the play of his teammates the way it seemingly has with Lin.

RiceOnTheRun
10-25-2013, 09:13 AM
Yea but it never inhibited the play of his teammates the way it seemingly has with Lin.

But the difference between KD/Westbrook and Parsons/Lin is huge. The first two are arguably both Top 10 talents at the bare minimum. Parsons and Lin are great, don't get me wrong, but they're more like borderline all-stars in my opinion.

With KD/Westy, Harden was the third option because the other two were that damn good. No chance does Harden take the back seat with these guys.

NYKnickFanatic
10-25-2013, 09:34 AM
The butthurt is strong with OP. He misses his Jewemy Win sooooooo dang much! Bwaaa waaaa waaa!

I almost fell out of my chair when he referred to RICKY RUBIO as a FRANCHISE POINT GUARD! LMAO! Li'l ricky is averaging 10 ppg on 35% shooting from the field and is shooting a remarkable (remarkably horrible) 29% from 3's.

I think OP has been spending too much time on the crack pipe with his "boy" J.R.

I'm pretty sure Tony Starks is a Lakers fan.

AddiX
10-25-2013, 10:58 AM
If your going to play Lin you need to let him play like himself. He's just not the kind of player that you can pigeon hole like that.

Whether he's on the 1st or 2nd unit, let the guy play like himself and not worry about anything else and he will be productive.

I'll still say to this day even though other NYers have a short memory of it or deny it, Linsanity was the most amazing moment I've experienced as a ny sports fan, that stretch of games that Lin had and the hype around on it, on that team, is something I may never see again.

NYKnickFanatic
10-25-2013, 11:14 AM
If your going to play Lin you need to let him play like himself. He's just not the kind of player that you can pigeon hole like that.

Whether he's on the 1st or 2nd unit, let the guy play like himself and not worry about anything else and he will be productive.

I'll still say to this day even though other NYers have a short memory of it or deny it, Linsanity was the most amazing moment I've experienced as a ny sports fan, that stretch of games that Lin had and the hype around on it, on that team, is something I may never see again.

Yup, while MSG was blacked out on Time Warner Cable, Lin single handedly brought them back.

Blitzace137
10-25-2013, 11:16 AM
If your going to play Lin you need to let him play like himself. He's just not the kind of player that you can pigeon hole like that.

Whether he's on the 1st or 2nd unit, let the guy play like himself and not worry about anything else and he will be productive.

I'll still say to this day even though other NYers have a short memory of it or deny it, Linsanity was the most amazing moment I've experienced as a ny sports fan, that stretch of games that Lin had and the hype around on it, on that team, is something I may never see again.

Linsanity was probably the most fun stretch of basketball games I've ever seen. Especially the game winner against Raptors which was probably the height of Linsanity. There was a unique type of energy/excitement every game that we'll probably never see.

Blitzace137
10-25-2013, 11:22 AM
I never really got the feeling McHale or even the HOU organization really believed in Lin. Maybe Morey does/did...

Plus he's a horrible fit with Harden who always wants the ball and turns it over a ton...

I think they kinda wanted to use Lin as a fake star until they got Howard or someone else, but then they fell into Harden quicker than expected.

And Lin, he probably should have stayed in NY, I mean obviously HOU wasn't a big believer in him, they had just cut him what 6 months prior?

Agreed I think Yao convinced Rockets owner Alexander all the money that was waiting to be had overseas. Lin's market made the Rockets throw all that money at him, nobody else was going to give him that type of contract.

Clearly Morey didn't envision Harden being available, if the Harden trade came before the Lin signing I doubt the Rockets offer Lin that contact.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-25-2013, 11:45 AM
Doesn't really matter, that team doesn't have a shot at a ring this year.

mightybosstone
10-25-2013, 12:06 PM
Doesn't really matter, that team doesn't have a shot at a ring this year.

Why not? Looking at that team, what glaring hole is so horrible that they have absolutely zero chance at playing the Finals this season? I keep hearing that the Rockets have no chance to win the Finals, and as a Rockets fan, I'm not so delusional to think they'll win a ring in their first season. But I also don't think they have some kind of glaring weakness that could prevent them from coming out of the West and competing for a championship.

The bottom line is that there is no perfect team in the NBA today. And considering how stacked and talented the West is, there are 5-6 teams who could easily come out of the conference and should surprise no one. The Rockets are one of those teams.

BKLYNpigeon
10-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Lin should not be a factor in Houston anymore. its the Harden & Howard show now.

The way their contracts are structured, Lin and Asik are going to make 15 million each next season! Its time to package Lin and Asik and free up that money for someone else.

D-Leethal
10-25-2013, 12:33 PM
Yea but it never inhibited the play of his teammates the way it seemingly has with Lin.

Sig :drool:

But wouldn't you preferred he bulldozed for contact and got to the FT line instead of juking into a turnaround fadeaway to get himself a clean look? Isn't that the proper way to play basketball?

D-Leethal
10-25-2013, 12:34 PM
Why not? Looking at that team, what glaring hole is so horrible that they have absolutely zero chance at playing the Finals this season? I keep hearing that the Rockets have no chance to win the Finals, and as a Rockets fan, I'm not so delusional to think they'll win a ring in their first season. But I also don't think they have some kind of glaring weakness that could prevent them from coming out of the West and competing for a championship.

The bottom line is that there is no perfect team in the NBA today. And considering how stacked and talented the West is, there are 5-6 teams who could easily come out of the conference and should surprise no one. The Rockets are one of those teams.

I would say defense and overall inexperience/youth and lack of leadership are the three glaring flaws you can see on the surface. Leadership might come from within although I don't really see from whom.

Tony_Starks
10-25-2013, 12:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Tony Starks is a Lakers fan.

Hardcore Laker fan. I didn't know that only Knicks fans can make post about EX Knick players that played for them almost a whole season.

Funny part is if he actually read the post I said that Lin is a better play maker than Beverly.

C_Mund
10-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Lin needs the ball in his hands to be most effective, so having him lead the 2nd unit may be a wiser strategy. He can offer some instant scoring to a unit that might otherwise suffer in that department if Beverly is running it.

Agreed. Not all teams are lucky enough to have somebody that can actually RUN the second unit. Many teams have players that can score or rebound or whatever, but generally second units lack offensive focus.

mightybosstone
10-25-2013, 04:45 PM
I would say defense and overall inexperience/youth and lack of leadership are the three glaring flaws you can see on the surface. Leadership might come from within although I don't really see from whom.

"Leadership" is a useless term people throw at talented, young teams to make them seem worse than they really are. If the Rockets don't succeed this season, "leadership" will have nothing to do with it. And youth won't be the issue either. The Thunder are young, and they've consistently been the best franchise in the West over the last few seasons.

jstone0716
10-25-2013, 04:52 PM
Durant is a leader by example, but I see what your saying. You can't deny the leadership effect guys like CP3 and KG had on their teams though.

AddiX
10-25-2013, 05:23 PM
"Leadership" is a useless term people throw at talented, young teams to make them seem worse than they really are. If the Rockets don't succeed this season, "leadership" will have nothing to do with it. And youth won't be the issue either. The Thunder are young, and they've consistently been the best franchise in the West over the last few seasons.

Tell that to John wall and the group of retards that always seems to surround him.

Or tell that to Jason Kidd who seemed to make role-players look like all stars on a yearly basis.

Hawkeye15
10-25-2013, 07:26 PM
I dont understand why Harden cant go back to being the guy who allows the PG to shine while being extremely efficient himself. He should be able to play off of anyone. Is it really too bad to have him play off the ball sometimes.

he could, only Lin is nothing compared to Westbrook. Why would James sacrifice anything (let alone McHale) if they both know the team is better off with high usage being taken away from the PG position?

mightybosstone
10-25-2013, 07:49 PM
Tell that to John wall and the group of retards that always seems to surround him.

Or tell that to Jason Kidd who seemed to make role-players look like all stars on a yearly basis.

John Wall hasn't been that good until the second half of last season. He shouldn't be spoken in the same breath as James Harden. And Jason Kidd is one of the 10 greatest point guards in the history of the NBA. What you just described to me isn't an age or leadership issue, it's a talent issue.