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jerellh528
10-19-2013, 01:53 PM
http://www.lakersnation.com/shaq-it-dont-get-no-easier-than-playing-with-kobe-bryant/2013/10/19/
Is he beating a dead horse? Or is he right?

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 01:56 PM
True dat Shaq.

lol, please
10-19-2013, 01:58 PM
Shaq > his haters on PSD.

John Walls Era
10-19-2013, 02:05 PM
He’s been the same all those 10 years, so can he get better while working with (Rockets aide and Hall of Fame big man) Hakeem (Olajuwon)? Is that going to take him to the next level? I’m not sure. We’ll see, but I haven’t seen it.

Ive said this since his 6th year when everyone was fapping off to Dwight saying he was improving his post game.
Hes still the best C in the league though.

jerellh528
10-19-2013, 02:09 PM
Dwight had kaj helping him in LA and still no evidence of a post game, don't see what Olajuwon could possibly do for him.

John Walls Era
10-19-2013, 02:12 PM
Dwight had kaj helping him in LA and still no evidence of a post game, don't see what Olajuwon could possibly do for him.

learning about positioning and spacing. dwight isn't even as quick or nimble as Hakeem tho

Bruno
10-19-2013, 03:28 PM
boom.

xabial
10-19-2013, 06:27 PM
Look I understand Dwight is an attention ***** and handled the whole ORL/LA situation wrong but Shaq needs to **** off picking on Dwight. Dude is making a career of off criticizing him and putting him down. They never even played together.

Bostonjorge
10-19-2013, 06:53 PM
Shaq playing with kobe is the most dominating force ever. He knew with kobe he could dominate and kobe would make winning easier. Kobe always closed the big games out with shaq on the bench.

After shaq won with Miami the very next year as defending champs shaq gave the team to wade. Wade led team with shaq lost to Hinrich led bulls. A clean sweep in the first rd. Shaq found out wade was no kobe.

Shaq was so dominant but he still needed big time help to win especially since he could not close out games. We know James can't close out games. Kobe was perfect one of the best closers ever.

5ass
10-19-2013, 07:13 PM
Look I understand Dwight is an attention ***** and handled the whole ORL/LA situation wrong but Shaq needs to **** off picking on Dwight. Dude is making a career of off criticizing him and putting him down. They never even played together.

agreed.

savvy1803
10-20-2013, 03:33 PM
Dwight had kaj helping him in LA and still no evidence of a post game, don't see what Olajuwon could possibly do for him.

I thought he turned down Kareem's help , i believe they talked about working together but not sure if they ever did ?

koreancabbage
10-20-2013, 04:08 PM
Shaq playing with kobe is the most dominating force ever. He knew with kobe he could dominate and kobe would make winning easier. Kobe always closed the big games out with shaq on the bench.

After shaq won with Miami the very next year as defending champs shaq gave the team to wade. Wade led team with shaq lost to Hinrich led bulls. A clean sweep in the first rd. Shaq found out wade was no kobe.

Shaq was so dominant but he still needed big time help to win especially since he could not close out games. We know James can't close out games. Kobe was perfect one of the best closers ever.

right. b/c an older shaq had nothing to do with it. I mean, i respect your opinion, but Kobe needed Shaq to stay in the game. Lets not get Kobe-happy here. I mean we all know Kobe shoots his teams out of games. but Shaq is the stabilizing factor and the triangle offense worked for Kobe and Shaq. and the greatest coach of all time to control the biggest egos at work.

NO doubt Kobe is known as a closer but thats really overrated. Media overdoes everything he does, bad or good.

A little outdate but still relevant to this discussion.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

and realistically, if you had a good team, you wouldn't need to take so many last second shots to begin with. Everything is taken out of context when you talk about closers, like Kobe, for example

jimm120
10-20-2013, 05:01 PM
Dwight had kaj helping him in LA and still no evidence of a post game, don't see what Olajuwon could possibly do for him.

He's had Ewing, Kareem, Hakeem......he's developed as much as he was going to.

Dade County
10-20-2013, 05:02 PM
But what Shaq left out is that when he played with Kobe, Shaq was the number 1 option & Kobe could do nothing about that... But now that Kobe is the number 1 option, Shaq should know that it is an entirely different story. Shaq & Kobe could not have lasted as long as it did, if the organization would have went up to Shaq & said, Kobe will be the man now, and you get his crumbs (you guys no what I mean).

If Howard could have been the man/#1 option on the Lakers, he would still be on that team.

FreakaNashur
10-20-2013, 05:46 PM
Shaq needs to stfu about dwight already, he can't even play with him on the same court at the same time. why is he comparing him to kobe and lebron as if dwight was a guard/forward?

PurpleLynch
10-20-2013, 05:51 PM
But what Shaq left out is that when he played with Kobe, Shaq was the number 1 option & Kobe could do nothing about that... But now that Kobe is the number 1 option, Shaq should know that it is an entirely different story. Shaq & Kobe could not have lasted as long as it did, if the organization would have went up to Shaq & said, Kobe will be the man now, and you get his crumbs (you guys no what I mean).

If Howard could have been the man/#1 option on the Lakers, he would still be on that team.



Glad it didn't happen. No hate for Howard,but I hate centers with a one dimensional game.

Iron24th
10-20-2013, 06:50 PM
Glad it didn't happen. No hate for Howard,but I hate centers with a one dimensional game.

+1

We would have been screwed with this guy as our franchise player for the next 5 years.

jerellh528
10-20-2013, 06:52 PM
+1

We would have been screwed with this guy as our franchise player for the next 5 years.
Truth

beliges
10-20-2013, 07:09 PM
If Howard could have been the man/#1 option on the Lakers, he would still be on that team.

If Howard would have performed like the most dominant center in the league he would've been the "man" on the lakers. But instead he underperformed drastically which is why the lakers didn't even bother meeting any of his demands.

Tony_Starks
10-20-2013, 10:44 PM
If anybody is qualified to speak on Dwight it's Shaq. You can't call yourself superman with one post move.

UPRock
10-20-2013, 11:15 PM
People forget about Ewing, Ewing was with Orlando and it seems Dwight learned nada.

east fb knicks
10-20-2013, 11:23 PM
oh stop it d12 is great is he shaq no but the lakers sucked last year idc if d12 put up shaq numbers the lakers had no pg or bench was kobe going to avg 50 and d12 30 and 10 no and d12 was traded to la he didn't even wanna go there so all you laker homers enjoy sucking for another year with the worst coach in the league and stop crying over d12 leaving :mad:

Dade County
10-20-2013, 11:29 PM
If Howard would have performed like the most dominant center in the league he would've been the "man" on the lakers. But instead he underperformed drastically which is why the lakers didn't even bother meeting any of his demands.

Howard is very limited, but the man was coming off of back surgery... What Howard should have done, was comeback after the christmas day game; because some of you Laker fans do not even care that he played at half strength for the Lakers organization.

beliges
10-21-2013, 12:27 AM
If Howard would have performed like the most dominant center in the league he would've been the "man" on the lakers. But instead he underperformed drastically which is why the lakers didn't even bother meeting any of his demands.

Howard is very limited, but the man was coming off of back surgery... What Howard should have done, was comeback after the christmas day game; because some of you Laker fans do not even care that he played at half strength for the Lakers organization.

Dwight was healthy last season in the playoffs and with kobe out he had the perfect opportunity to take the torch. But we all saw what happened. He let down the entire franchise with that regretful performance.

east fb knicks
10-21-2013, 12:43 AM
Dwight was healthy last season in the playoffs and with kobe out he had the perfect opportunity to take the torch. But we all saw what happened. He let down the entire franchise with that regretful performance.
what you guys could have had mj out there and still got swept the spurs should have won the title what was d12 suppose to do lakers fans :facepalm:

Dade County
10-21-2013, 01:14 AM
Dwight was healthy last season in the playoffs and with kobe out he had the perfect opportunity to take the torch. But we all saw what happened. He let down the entire franchise with that regretful performance.

If you can just see the truth behind your words, you'll discover what's down the rabbit hole.

*Superman*
10-21-2013, 01:46 AM
Shaq has to be the most annoying basketball player to retire. He says things in a way that benefit himself. If anyone else noticed, what is his motive behind what he's saying, and why does he always down-play what Dwight does? To make himself sound better. He's basically saying, I was able to play with Kobe, Dwight couldn't therefore I am better than him, and he totally disregards how different the situations were. It's like the guy has no confidence in what he's done. That or he's really that big of an *** to inflate his ego even more.

*Superman*
10-21-2013, 01:50 AM
+1

We would have been screwed with this guy as our franchise player for the next 5 years.

Lol, yeah because having a dominant anchor on defense and a player that can spread the floor on the other end while getting 20/10 a night would really screw up a franchise.


People forget about Ewing, Ewing was with Orlando and it seems Dwight learned nada.

Yeah I think Ewing is garbage as a coach anyways. Maybe there is a reason why after all these years he still hasn't gotten the chance to coach a team. The off-season Dwight worked out with Hakeem was his best season as a Magic. I'm still curious as to what he can do while training with Hakeen on a consistent basis.

kblo247
10-21-2013, 02:06 AM
But what Shaq left out is that when he played with Kobe, Shaq was the number 1 option & Kobe could do nothing about that... But now that Kobe is the number 1 option, Shaq should know that it is an entirely different story. Shaq & Kobe could not have lasted as long as it did, if the organization would have went up to Shaq & said, Kobe will be the man now, and you get his crumbs (you guys no what I mean).

If Howard could have been the man/#1 option on the Lakers, he would still be on that team.Shaq didnt put up the worst post up numbers there was for a big, like Dwight, also being turnover prone and a bad ft guy.

He averaged .74 points per post up, that a tenth below league average, to go with being a volume horrible foul shooter, and turnover prone. Kobe for instance averaged 1.12 ppp on the block.

Giving the ball to Dwight didnt win games, he was good awful on the block and refused to even run pick and roll with Nash as Nash said. He also didnt want to play off Pau high low and the flasher. He tried to prove Shaq wrong and ignored Kareem and the other players talking sense. Kobe just happened to be the guy who can get and create without a pick or spacing. And again Kareem said it himself, Dwight said he would work with him to the media and FO, and then henwouldn't even return any call from Kareem all season to work with him because he didnt want to actually work with him. Dwight did nothing to make LA work.

As far as Shaq, he and kobe were the most dominant force you will ever see in tandem. Heir western conference numbers are fantastic. The FO ****ed them over all together by not offering them depth during the 3 peat and 03. Likewise the team would have been better off just letting them talk things out. You know when the first time Kobe and Phil had a real come to jesus, *****, leave it all out there talk? Summer of 05 when Phil returned, Kobe said his piece, Phil said his, no media just them in a room with the Buss family and Mitch, then they made it work. Why no one ever did that with Shaq and Kobe we will never know, but both would be sitting on more rings if they both aged how they did when they broke up. Kobe became nicer and less aloof, one of the guys when he got older and his teammates were all younger and less experienced. Shaq got in better shape in the summers in Miami and he let wade be the guy which eh wouldnt with Kobe despite Kobe having earned that from ears of playoff and RS ball. They got too caught up in big bro, lil bro sibling rivalry

Heatcheck
10-21-2013, 10:02 AM
shaq has an unhealthy obsession with trying to bash Howard.

ManRam
10-21-2013, 10:51 AM
neat-o

mightybosstone
10-21-2013, 11:01 AM
Do we need a thread anytime a former player or analyst talks about current players? I feel like this is yet another non-story designed for people to crap on Dwight.

Tony_Starks
10-21-2013, 11:12 AM
shaq has an unhealthy obsession with trying to bash Howard.

How is it bashing if what he is saying is true? Think about some of the stuff Shaq has said before:

-He's not a back to the basket center.
True

-As athletic and physical as he is he should be putting up 28 and 12.
True

-He plays around too much and doesn't take the game seriously enough at times.
True

-He couldn't handle the pressure of playing in LA spotlight.
True

Now if you want to question his motives behind saying these things that's fair but it's not like he's lying...

denverfan66
10-21-2013, 11:22 AM
How did Dwight "underperform?" With a bad back, bad shoulder, and all the blame being aimed at him he still put up his career averages. People need to realize being the best big man in today's NBA isn't the billing that it was in the past. Anybody who expected he would put up career numbers and turn into the next legendary big man in LA need to look at the fact that he never had drastic statistical improvements season by season in a near perfect situation in Orlando.

houstonfan
10-21-2013, 11:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHNx95btX5Y

ATX
10-21-2013, 12:05 PM
Do we need a thread anytime a former player or analyst talks about current players? I feel like this is yet another non-story designed for people to crap on Dwight.

Bingo.

FlashBolt
10-21-2013, 12:28 PM
shaq has an unhealthy obsession with trying to bash Howard.

How is it bashing if what he is saying is true? Think about some of the stuff Shaq has said before:

-He's not a back to the basket center.
True

-As athletic and physical as he is he should be putting up 28 and 12.
True

-He plays around too much and doesn't take the game seriously enough at times.
True

-He couldn't handle the pressure of playing in LA spotlight.
True

Now if you want to question his motives behind saying these things that's fair but it's not like he's lying...

Basically, Shaq wants to crap on Dwight because it makes him feel better as a player he once was.. This guy will crap on Howard any opportunity he gets. Shaq is like Jordan. Great players but they should not speak basketball.

LAKobeBryant
10-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Shaq needs to stfu about dwight already, he can't even play with him on the same court at the same time. why is he comparing him to kobe and lebron as if dwight was a guard/forward?

What?
Shaq is trying let people know he rather play with Kobe first then LeBron because he's played with them both and everyone know LeBron is the best player in the league right now.

FlashBolt
10-21-2013, 12:49 PM
Shaq needs to stfu about dwight already, he can't even play with him on the same court at the same time. why is he comparing him to kobe and lebron as if dwight was a guard/forward?

What?
Shaq is trying let people know he rather play with Kobe first then LeBron because he's played with them both and everyone know LeBron is the best player in the league right now.

Is Shaq implying that Kobe is better than LJ? There goes Shaq's credibility.

beliges
10-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Shaq is simply saying he'd pick Kobe over LBJ and Dwight is overrated. No news here. Not too many people will disagree with that. And yes, LBJ is currently the best player in the league.