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DreamShaker
10-18-2013, 03:36 AM
I'm going to divide it into big men, wings, and point guards. Here we go:

For point guards:

Best passer
Best crossover
Best shooter
Best finisher
Best court vision
Best leader
Best defender

For wing players:

Best shooter
Best all-around scorer
Best defender
Best passer
Best rebounder
Best dunker

For big men

Best post player
Best shot blocker
Best passer
Best rebounder
Best post defender
Best enforcer

Raptor-54
10-18-2013, 03:53 AM
For point guards:

Best passer : CP3
Best crossover:CP3
Best shooter: Curry
Best finisher: Rose/Westbrook
Best court vision: CP3
Best leader: CP3
Best defender:CP3

For wing players:

Best shooter: Ray Allen
Best all-around scorer: Kobe Bryant
Best defender: LBJ
Best passer: LBJ
Best rebounder: LBJ
Best dunker: LBJ

For big men

Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Ibaka
Best passer: Marc Gasol
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Kevin Garnett
Best enforcer: Dwight Howard

tredigs
10-18-2013, 03:55 AM
These are pretty fun...

For point guards:

Best passer: Rubio
Best crossover: Kyrie Irving
Best shooter: Curry
Best finisher: Tony Parker
Best court vision: CP3
Best leader: Chauncey Billups
Best defender: Eric Bledsoe

For wing players:

Best shooter: KD
Best all-around scorer: KD
Best defender: Iggy
Best passer: Lebron
Best rebounder: Lebron
Best dunker: Lebron

For big men:

Best post player: Pau Gasol
Best shot blocker: Air Congo
Best passer: Marc Gasol
Best rebounder: Reggie Evans
Best post defender: D Howard
Best enforcer: Noah

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 03:56 AM
For point guards:

Best passer: Nash
Best crossover: kyrie
Best shooter: curry
Best finisher: Westbrook
Best court vision: Rubio
Best leader: cp3
Best defender: rondo

For wing players:

Best shooter: Durant
Best all-around scorer: Kobe
Best defender: Iggy/deng
Best passer: Kobe
Best rebounder: Faried
Best dunker: Lebron/josh smith

For big men

Best post player: Duncan/pau
Best shot blocker: Dwight
Best passer: pau
Best rebounder: love
Best post defender: Marc gasol
Best enforcer: Kg

Furymaker
10-18-2013, 04:08 AM
For point guards:

Best passer Rondo
Best crossover Kyrie
Best shooter Curry
Best finisher Rose
Best court vision Rubio
Best leader Rose
Best defender Lowry/Beverley

For wing players:

Best shooter Durant
Best all-around scorer Durant
Best defender Jimmy
Best passer Lebron
Best rebounder Lebron
Best dunker G.Green/T.Ross/Lebron

For big men

Best post player D.Cousins
Best shot blocker Sanders?
Best passer Noah
Best rebounder Love
Best post defender Asik
Best enforcer Noah/Dwight/M.Gasol

bbcmillionaire
10-18-2013, 04:15 AM
I'm going to divide it into big men, wings, and point guards. Here we go:

For point guards:

Best passer:nash
Best crossover: Jamal Crawford
Best shooter: Jose Calderon/tony Parker
Best finisher: Tony Parker/rose
Best court vision: cp3
Best leader: Derrick rose
Best defender: rondo

For wing players:

Best shooter: Durant
Best all-around scorer: Carmelo Anthony
Best defender:deng/butler/tony Allen
Best passer:LEBRON
Best rebounder:LEBRON
Best dunker:LEBRON

For big men

Best post player:Duncan
Best shot blocker:Larry sanders
Best passer: Noah, both gasols
Best rebounder:Noah
Best post defender:asik/hibbert/ibaka
Best enforcer:Kevin Garnett

OlivaThor
10-18-2013, 04:19 AM
For point guards:

Best passer Rondo
Best crossover Kyrie
Best shooter Curry
Best finisher Rose
Best court vision Paul
Best leader Paul
Best defender Bledsoe

For wing players:

Best shooter KD
Best all-around scorer KD
Best defender Iggy
Best passer Lebron
Best rebounder Lebron
Best dunker Green

For big men

Best post player Duncan
Best shot blocker Ibaka
Best passer Marc
Best rebounder Howard
Best post defender Garnett
Best enforcer Howard

Chrisclover
10-18-2013, 06:12 AM
you thought Mac Gasol is better than his brother, Pau? thats beyond me


For big men

Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Ibaka
Best passer: Marc Gasol
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Kevin Garnett
Best enforcer: Dwight Howard

WARRIORS@GR
10-18-2013, 07:07 AM
Best passer: Kobe
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Heatcheck
10-18-2013, 10:13 AM
^ My thoughts exactly

b@llhog24
10-18-2013, 02:39 PM
For point guards:

Best passer: Cp3
Best crossover: Kyrie
Best shooter: Steph
Best finisher: Westbrook
Best court vision: Rubio
Best leader: Paul
Best defender: Meh

For wing players:

Best shooter: Novak/KD
Best all-around scorer: KD
Best defender: Tony Allen
Best passer: Manu
Best rebounder: Bron
Best dunker: Iggy or PG

For big men

Best post player: Dirk
Best shot blocker: Iblockya
Best passer: Gasol Brothers/BG
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Dwight
Best enforcer: Chandler

mdm692
10-18-2013, 02:49 PM
Good thread.

For point guards:

Best passer - Rubio
Best crossover - Kyrie
Best shooter - Curry
Best finisher - Rose
Best court vision - Rubio
Best leader - Parker
Best defender - CP3

For wing players:

Best shooter - Klay Thompson
Best all-around scorer - Kobe
Best defender - LBJ
Best passer - LBJ
Best rebounder - LBJ
Best dunker - Paul George

For big men

Best post player - Duncan
Best shot blocker - Dwight
Best passer - Noah
Best rebounder - Love
Best post defender - Noah
Best enforcer - Chandler

MrfadeawayJB
10-18-2013, 03:05 PM
For point guards:

Best passer - Nash
Best crossover - Kyrie
Best shooter - Curry
Best finisher - Rose
Best court vision - Rubio
Best leader - Parker
Best defender - Bledsoe

For wing players:

Best shooter - Kevin Durant
Best all-around scorer - Kobe
Best defender - LBJ
Best passer - LBJ
Best rebounder - LBJ
Best dunker - LBJ

For big men

Best post player - Duncan
Best shot blocker - McGee
Best passer - M. Gasol
Best rebounder - Love
Best post defender - Howard
Best enforcer - KG

mightybosstone
10-18-2013, 03:09 PM
Best passer: Steve Nash
Best crossover: Kyrie Irving
Best shooter: Stephen Curry
Best finisher: Tony Parker
Best court vision: Chris Paul
Best leader: Chris Paul
Best defender: Avery Bradley

For wing players:

Best shooter: Kevin Durant
Best all-around scorer: Kevin Durant
Best defender: Tony Allen
Best passer: Lebron James
Best rebounder: Lebron James
Best dunker: Lebron James

For big men:

Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Larry Sanders
Best passer: The Gasol Brothers
Best rebounder: Omer Asik
Best post defender: Dwight Howard
Best enforcer: Kevin Garnett

FraziersKnicks
10-18-2013, 03:40 PM
For point guards:

Best passer: Chris Paul
Best crossover: Kyrie Irving
Best shooter: Stephen Curry
Best finisher: Tony Parker
Best court vision: Ricky Rubio
Best leader: Chris Paul
Best defender: Chris Paul

For wing players:

Best shooter: Kevin Durant
Best all-around scorer: Kevin Durant
Best defender: LeBron James
Best passer: LeBron James
Best rebounder: LeBron James
Best dunker: LeBron James

For big men:

Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Larry Sanders
Best passer: Marc Gasol
Best rebounder: Kevin Love
Best post defender: Dwight Howard
Best enforcer: Tyson Chandler

Shammyguy3
10-18-2013, 03:47 PM
Why do we rank different things for each position? Why can't we rank each category for each position? Also, grouping PGs by themselves but then grouping PFs and Cs isn't fair. I'm doing it for "guards" "swingmen" "big men"

For All Guards
Best passer: Rajon Rondo
Best handles: Derrick Rose
Best court vision: Chris Paul
Best shooter: Stephen Curry
Best finisher: Dwyane Wade
Best all-around scorer: James Harden
Best rebounder: Tony Allen
Best defender: Mike Conley
Best post player: Kobe Bryant
Best shot blocker: Dwyane Wade
Best post defender: Tony Allen
Best enforcer: Tony Allen
Best leader: Kobe Bryant

For All Swingmen
Best passer: Lebron James
Best handles: Andre Iguodala
Best court vision: Lebron James
Best shooter: Kevin Durant
Best finisher: Lebron James
Best all-around scorer: Kevin Durant
Best defender: Jimmy Butler
Best rebounder: Al.Farouq Aminu
Best post player: Carmelo Anthony
Best shot blocker: Lebron James
Best post defender: Luol Deng
Best enforcer: Kawhi Leonard
Best leader: Lebron James

For All Big Men
Best passer: Joakim Noah
Best handles: Blake Griffin
Best court vision: Marc Gasol
Best shooter: Dirk Nowitzki
Best finisher: Al Horford
Best all-around scorer: Brook Lopez
Best defender: Joakim Noah
Best rebounder: Kevin Love
Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Larry Sanders
Best post defender: Omer Asik
Best enforcer: Kevin Garnett
Best leader: Tim Duncan

Matter.
10-18-2013, 06:09 PM
Why do we rank different things for each position? Why can't we rank each category for each position? Also, grouping PGs by themselves but then grouping PFs and Cs isn't fair. I'm doing it for "guards" "swingmen" "big men"

For All Guards
Best passer: Rajon Rondo
Best handles: Derrick Rose
Best court vision: Chris Paul
Best shooter: Stephen Curry
Best finisher: Kobe Bryant
Best all-around scorer: Kobe Bryant
Best rebounder: Tony Allen
Best defender: Mike Conley/Thabo Sefalosha
Best post player: Kobe Bryant
Best shot blocker: Dwyane Wade
Best post defender: Tony Allen
Best enforcer: Tony Allen
Best leader: Kobe Bryant

For All Swingmen
Best passer: Lebron James
Best handles: Andre Iguodala
Best court vision: Lebron James
Best shooter: Kevin Durant
Best finisher: Lebron James
Best all-around scorer: Kevin Durant
Best defender: Jimmy Butler
Best rebounder: Al.Farouq Aminu
Best post player: Carmelo Anthony
Best shot blocker: Lebron James
Best post defender: Luol Deng
Best enforcer: Kawhi Leonard
Best leader: Lebron James

For All Big Men
Best passer: Pau Gasol
Best handles: Blake Griffin
Best court vision: Marc Gasol
Best shooter: Dirk Nowitzki
Best finisher: Al Horford
Best all-around scorer: Brook Lopez
Best defender: Joakim Noah
Best rebounder: Kevin Love
Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Larry Sanders
Best post defender: Omer Asik
Best enforcer: Kevin Garnett
Best leader: Tim Duncan

bolded are ones I would change

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 06:52 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

How the **** is that funny? Gimme something that refutes that

tredigs
10-18-2013, 07:03 PM
How the **** is that funny? Gimme something that refutes that

You honestly think Kobe's the best passing wing? He's a better passer than Lebron, to name one? You're being a homer, stop.

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 07:08 PM
You honestly think Kobe's the best passing wing? He's a better passer than Lebron, to name one? You're being a homer, stop.

Yes I believe Kobe is the best passer and far more skilled passer. Lebrons passes consist of drive and dish to the open guy, or jump in the air, get caught and pass to the open guy. Kobe's passing arsenal is huge and has better vision on how a play develops. If you disagree you are a delusional homer and only care that Lebron has more assists per game. Actually to be honest, Lebron is probably the worst passer for the amount of assists he gets. He's a good playmaker, but nowhere near the passer some people make him out to be.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 07:10 PM
Yes I believe Kobe is the best passer and far more skilled passer. Lebrons passes consist of drive and dish to the open guy, or jump in the air, get caught and pass to the open guy. Kobe's passing arsenal is huge and has better vision on how a play develops. If you disagree you are a delusional homer and only care that Lebron has more assists per game.

Never have children.

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 07:15 PM
Reported, trying to keep this place clean, but the baiting just never stops.

WARRIORS@GR
10-18-2013, 07:24 PM
Only a KB fan/LJ hater would think that Kobe even touches Lebron in every aspect of passing/facilitating/court vision.

Make a public poll on that.Only guys that will vote for Kobe will be you,amos1er,illusionist,and a couple other Lebron hates.
Let's be serious.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 07:26 PM
Reported, trying to keep this place clean, but the baiting just never stops.

Hahaha -- clearly all you're trying to do is bait people into internet infractions with your ridiculous posts and run-to-mom attitude.

"All lebron does is pass to an open man and jump and pass to an open man". Genius. GM's better watch their backs, there's a new sheriff in town.

You can't have an intelligent discussion on the game with comments like that, you do realize that right?

DreamShaker
10-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Why do we rank different things for each position? Why can't we rank each category for each position? Also, grouping PGs by themselves but then grouping PFs and Cs isn't fair. I'm doing it for "guards" "swingmen" "big men"

For All Guards
Best passer: Rajon Rondo
Best handles: Derrick Rose
Best court vision: Chris Paul
Best shooter: Stephen Curry
Best finisher: Dwyane Wade
Best all-around scorer: James Harden
Best rebounder: Tony Allen
Best defender: Mike Conley
Best post player: Kobe Bryant
Best shot blocker: Dwyane Wade
Best post defender: Tony Allen
Best enforcer: Tony Allen
Best leader: Kobe Bryant

For All Swingmen
Best passer: Lebron James
Best handles: Andre Iguodala
Best court vision: Lebron James
Best shooter: Kevin Durant
Best finisher: Lebron James
Best all-around scorer: Kevin Durant
Best defender: Jimmy Butler
Best rebounder: Al.Farouq Aminu
Best post player: Carmelo Anthony
Best shot blocker: Lebron James
Best post defender: Luol Deng
Best enforcer: Kawhi Leonard
Best leader: Lebron James

For All Big Men
Best passer: Joakim Noah
Best handles: Blake Griffin
Best court vision: Marc Gasol
Best shooter: Dirk Nowitzki
Best finisher: Al Horford
Best all-around scorer: Brook Lopez
Best defender: Joakim Noah
Best rebounder: Kevin Love
Best post player: Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker: Larry Sanders
Best post defender: Omer Asik
Best enforcer: Kevin Garnett
Best leader: Tim Duncan

That works too. I actually like that better. Trial and error.

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Only a KB fan/LJ hater would think that Kobe even touches Lebron in every aspect of passing/facilitating/court vision.

Make a public poll on that.Only guys that will vote for Kobe will be you,amos1er,illusionist,and a couple other Lebron hates.
Let's be serious.

Jesus Christ, the knowledge of basketball these days is going down the drain as quick as the rise of Miley Cyrus, bieber, and twerking. Kids these days. Sorry lil dude, it's obvious I'm not changing your opinion so there's no longer a need for me to reply to you.

jerellh528
10-18-2013, 07:37 PM
Hahaha -- clearly all you're trying to do is bait people into internet infractions with your ridiculous posts and run-to-mom attitude.

"All lebron does is pass to an open man and jump and pass to an open man". Genius. GM's better watch their backs, there's a new sheriff in town.

You can't have an intelligent discussion on the game with comments like that, you do realize that right?

I wasn't trying to bait anyone, I figured most with knowledge of the game would agree with me. But I forgot, I'm on psd.

WARRIORS@GR
10-18-2013, 07:43 PM
Jesus Christ, the knowledge of basketball these days is going down the drain as quick as the rise of Miley Cyrus, bieber, and twerking. Kids these days. Sorry lil dude, it's obvious I'm not changing your opinion so there's no longer a need for me to reply to you.
Yeah you're right..Maybe you should teach a couple things to the 99%(probably) of basketball fans who think Lebron is a FAR better passer than Kobe.Because you are the true master of bball.I trust your opinion from now on.

Shammyguy3
10-18-2013, 09:48 PM
bolded are ones I would change

Yeah Kobe could be argued as better, along with Westbrook/Parker. Just for comparisons sake:
Wade had a 0.61 and1% while taking 6.1fga per game at the rim, shot 74.7% on those shots (56.0%ast)
Kobe had a 0.53 and1% while taking 4.9fga per game at the rim, shot 69.7% on those shots (31.1%ast)

That's a very bleak representation though. I also acknowledge a good debate taking Kobe over Harden for all-around scorer and Gasol over Noah for best passing bigman. But, for best defender I don't think Thabo's anywhere near the likes of Conley/Holiday/Bradley/Shumpert/Butler/Allen/etc

ThaDubs
10-18-2013, 10:28 PM
i'm going to divide it into big men, wings, and point guards. Here we go:

For point guards:

Best passer:nash
best crossover: Jamal crawford
best shooter: Jose calderon/tony parker
best finisher: Tony parker/rose
best court vision: Cp3
best leader: Derrick rose
best defender: Rondo

for wing players:

Best shooter: Durant
best all-around scorer: Carmelo anthony
best defender:deng/butler/tony allen
best passer:lebron
best rebounder:lebron
best dunker:lebron

for big men

best post player:duncan
best shot blocker:larry sanders
best passer: Noah, both gasols
best rebounder:noah
best post defender:asik/hibbert/ibaka
best enforcer:kevin garnett

wtf

tredigs
10-18-2013, 10:32 PM
wtf

Why'd you bold Calderon?

ThaDubs
10-18-2013, 10:35 PM
Yes I believe Kobe is the best passer and far more skilled passer. Lebrons passes consist of drive and dish to the open guy, or jump in the air, get caught and pass to the open guy. Kobe's passing arsenal is huge and has better vision on how a play develops. If you disagree you are a delusional homer and only care that Lebron has more assists per game. Actually to be honest, Lebron is probably the worst passer for the amount of assists he gets. He's a good playmaker, but nowhere near the passer some people make him out to be.

LeBron beats Kobe in every statistic regarding assists. You are the delusional homer.

ThaDubs
10-18-2013, 10:38 PM
Why'd you bold Calderon?

Because he put Jose and TP under best guard shooter but didn't even give Curry a mention who broke the NBA record for 3 pointers made in a single season while shooting 45.1% from behind the arc last year.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 10:47 PM
Because he put Jose and TP under best guard shooter but didn't even give Curry a mention who broke the NBA record for 3 pointers made in a single season while shooting 45.1% from behind the arc last year.
Yeah, I mean leaving Curry out doesn't make sense (especially with TP there. What?). But I liked the Calderon call. Nobody else mentioned him, but he's probably got the best case along with Curry and Nash. 49/46/90 line last year. Led the league in 3pt% and is 40/88 from 3/FT for his career.

ThaDubs
10-18-2013, 10:51 PM
Yeah, I mean leaving Curry out doesn't make sense (especially with TP there. What?). But I liked the Calderon call. Nobody else mentioned him, but he's probably got the best case along with Curry and Nash. 49/46/90 line last year. Led the league in 3pt% and is 40/88 from 3/FT for his career.

Yeah agreed. I wasn't really wtfing the fact that Calderon was listed but rather the fact that Curry wasn't.

DreamShaker
10-18-2013, 11:35 PM
I honestly think Kobe is underrated as a passer. I remember him driving, drawing attention, and throwing sweet passes to Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and the like. That is one of the biggest weapons he has had over the years. Lebron is totally different. He is a drive and kick guy with elite vision, and Bird/Magic like in his ability to make the right play. Problem with Kobe is he is shoot-first all too often, when his driving and finding the big of finishing is more dangerous that jacking up 3's. Because of this, the words "Kobe" and "passing" make people laugh when said together. But is sure aint from a lack of skill. Dude is hugely skilled as a passer. Lebron is too, he just does it more, and is more focused on it.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 11:49 PM
I honestly think Kobe is underrated as a passer. I remember him driving, drawing attention, and throwing sweet passes to Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and the like. That is one of the biggest weapons he has had over the years. Lebron is totally different. He is a drive and kick guy with elite vision, and Bird/Magic like in his ability to make the right play. Problem with Kobe is he is shoot-first all too often, when his driving and finding the big of finishing is more dangerous that jacking up 3's. Because of this, the words "Kobe" and "passing" make people laugh when said together. But is sure aint from a lack of skill. Dude is hugely skilled as a passer. Lebron is too, he just does it more, and is more focused on it.

I agree with this, although beyond Lebron's willingness to be the playmaker at any time, he's just as good as anyone in the game with his bounce passes to the slasher and in his crosscourt passes. He's probably as good at these two aspects as any wing in history.

Kobe's a legitimately talented passer and could easily be seen as one of the best wing passers in the game if he chose to focus on it, but he still just doesn't have Lebron's arsenal. I was a point growing up and it's the first thing I notice/appreciate about people's games, and frankly it's Lebron's top skill.

But thank you for illustrating how to properly frame his argument.

DreamShaker
10-19-2013, 12:18 AM
I agree with this, although beyond Lebron's willingness to be the playmaker at any time, he's just as good as anyone in the game with his bounce passes to the slasher and in his crosscourt passes. He's probably as good at these two aspects as any wing in history.

Kobe's a legitimately talented passer and could easily be seen as one of the best wing passers in the game if he chose to focus on it, but he still just doesn't have Lebron's arsenal. I was a point growing up and it's the first thing I notice/appreciate about people's games, and frankly it's Lebron's top skill.

But thank you for illustrating how to properly frame his argument.

I totally agree with you, and thank you for bringing that to mind. That is something he does so effortlessly. That is one thing about Lebron that makes him slightly less exciting to the naked eye....he makes everything look so easy. Never tries too hard to be flashy.

lamzoka
10-19-2013, 12:27 AM
For point guards:

Best passer Chris Paul
Best crossover Jamal Crawford
Best shooter Steph Curry
Best finisher DRose
Best court vision Rondo
Best leader CP3
Best defender Chris Paul

For wing players:

Best shooter KD
Best all-around scorer Melo 3pts, post up, 1 on 1 he got it all
Best defender Lebron
Best passer Lebron
Best rebounder Lebron
Best dunker Lebron

For big men

Best post player Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker Serge Ibaka
Best passer Pau Gasol
Best rebounder Dwight Howard
Best post defender Dwight Howard
Best enforcer Kevin Garnett

ThaDubs
10-19-2013, 12:37 AM
PGs:

Best passer: Rubio
Best crossover: Rose, CP3, Steph on a good day
Best shooter: Steph
Best finisher: Rose
Best court vision: CP3
Best leader: TP
Best defender: CP3

Wing:

Best shooter: KD
Best all-around scorer: KD
Best defender: Bron
Best passer: Bron
Best rebounder: Bron
Best dunker: Bron

Big Men:

Best post player: Timmy
Best shot blocker: Ibaka/Sanders
Best passer: Noah, Gasol brothers, Lee
Best rebounder: Dwight Howard, Vucevic
Best post defender: Dwight Howard
Best enforcer: Noah

HYFR
10-19-2013, 01:34 PM
How cp3 isn't even on some of these lists for the pg position is crazy.. Everyone has an opinion and that's cool but let's get real here.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 01:45 PM
For point guards:

Best passer: Nash
Best crossover: kyrie
Best shooter: curry
Best finisher: Westbrook
Best court vision: Rubio
Best leader: cp3
Best defender: rondo

For wing players:

Best shooter: Durant
Best all-around scorer: Kobe
Best defender: Iggy/deng
Best passer: Kobe
Best rebounder: Faried
Best dunker: Lebron/josh smith

For big men

Best post player: Duncan/pau
Best shot blocker: Dwight
Best passer: pau
Best rebounder: love
Best post defender: Marc gasol
Best enforcer: Kg

Nice list.

WARRIORS@GR
10-19-2013, 07:31 PM
Btw Lebron is the wrong answer in rebounding.Aminu is better.

D.O.N.
10-19-2013, 08:20 PM
I'm going to divide it into big men, wings, and point guards. Here we go:

For point guards:

Best passer Rondo
Best crossover Parker
Best shooter Allen
Best finisher Wade
Best court vision Cp3
Best leader Kobe
Best defender Bradley

For wing players:

Best shooter KD
Best all-around scorer KD
Best defender Bron/Leonard
Best passer Bron
Best rebounder Tobias Harris/ Bron (not sure if harris counts since he also played some pf, but he avereged like 10 rpg)
Best dunker TRoss

For big men

Best post player Lopez
Best shot blocker Sanders
Best passer Monroe/KG
Best rebounder Love/Evans
Best post defender Dwight
Best enforcer KG

.

ThaDubs
10-19-2013, 10:35 PM
Btw Lebron is the wrong answer in rebounding.Aminu is better.

That's actually true.

tredigs
10-19-2013, 11:06 PM
How cp3 isn't even on some of these lists for the pg position is crazy.. Everyone has an opinion and that's cool but let's get real here.

Not really. There's somebody who is arguably better at each individual aspect of the position (at least the ones we're talking about). That doesn't take away from him being brilliant at them as well, or imply he's not the #1 overall.

bbcmillionaire
10-19-2013, 11:15 PM
wtf

Lol look at their fg % then ask wtf

tredigs
10-19-2013, 11:18 PM
Lol look at their fg % then ask wtf

You're one of those? Look at why their FG%'s are what they are.

Kashmir13579
10-20-2013, 11:03 AM
point guards:

Best passer - CP3
Best crossover - Jamal Crawford
Best shooter - Steve Nash
Best finisher - Rose
Best court vision - CP3
Best leader - CP3
Best defender - Rondo

wing players:

Best shooter - Durant
Best all-around scorer - 'Melo
Best defender - Lebron
Best passer - Lebron
Best rebounder - Lebron
Best dunker - Lebron

big men:

Best post player - Timmy
Best shot blocker - Iblaka
Best passer - Pau
Best rebounder - Love
Best post defender - Noah
Best enforcer - Tyson

Goose17
10-20-2013, 11:19 AM
Best shooter: Jose Calderon/tony Parker


I have a problem with this^

Personally I think Curry is flat out the best shooter in the league (regardless of position). But putting aside my personal opinion, Calderon is a good choice, I can get behind that if we're dismissing Curry for some hypothetical reason.

But Parker? Tony Parker? Really? I like Parker, he's one of my favourite players at the point, but he's not the best shooter at that position, not even close. His eFG% on jump shots was .475%.

I mean in comparison, when looking at the eFG% on jump shots from last season;

CP3 - .497
Williams - .482
Irving - .485
Lillard - .493

Even if for some bizarre reason you don't want to include Curry, there's a bunch of guys you should be taking as shooters over Parker. Whether it's from deep or mid-range, Parker just isn't a top shooter in his position. This doesn't mean he's a bad shooter, he's just playing in a very deep position where there are guys that can shoot better.

Goose17
10-20-2013, 11:22 AM
How cp3 isn't even on some of these lists for the pg position is crazy.. Everyone has an opinion and that's cool but let's get real here.

Actually, I would say it's plausible he could be left off. I mean he doesn't specialize in any one area. Personally I think Paul is hands down the most well rounded point guard I've ever seen play (talking in my life time, I was born late 80's).

But I wouldn't say he's the "best" at any one thing, he's probably second or third best in a lot of these things, which is why he's so well rounded.

He's the best point guard (imo) because he does everything extremely well, he doesn't have any glaring weakness. But at the same time he doesn't do any one thing better than everybody else. Not in my opinion anyway.

Kashmir13579
10-20-2013, 11:28 AM
Actually, I would say it's plausible he could be left off. I mean he doesn't specialize in any one area. Personally I think Paul is hands down the most well rounded point guard I've ever seen play (talking in my life time, I was born late 80's).

But I wouldn't say he's the "best" at any one thing, he's probably second or third best in a lot of these things, which is why he's so well rounded.

He's the best point guard (imo) because he does everything extremely well, he doesn't have any glaring weakness. But at the same time he doesn't do any one thing better than everybody else. Not in my opinion anyway.
The area CP3 should be winning hands down is best leader. There are players that do specific things better, but Paul is the whole package. Personally, i listed Paul for a few different categories.

D-Leethal
10-20-2013, 11:42 AM
I like Kash's list. I might throw Rondo at best passer, move Noah to best enforcer and give Duncan best post defender.

tredigs
10-20-2013, 12:06 PM
I threw Chauncey in as best leader because every team he's been on he's talked about as the teams leader - regardless of age/role. But for starters, CP3's who I'd go with too.

As far as best finisher, I'm surprised so few agree with me on TP. The guy has uncanny ability at the rim, and I just looked up their %'s. Rose finishes at the rim in the high 50's (peak 60.0%), Westbrook peaks at 61.4%, and Parker reached 68.8% last season (similar volumes). Averages 65%. All elite, but Parker reigns supreme at the rim.

I like the Aminu answers for best rebounding wing, that's a better answer than Lebron. The post answers are all pretty debatable in that top tier.

b@llhog24
10-20-2013, 12:20 PM
I threw Chauncey in as best leader because every team he's been on he's talked about as the teams leader - regardless of age/role. But for starters, CP3's who I'd go with too.

As far as best finisher, I'm surprised so few agree with me on TP. The guy has uncanny ability at the rim, and I just looked up their %'s. Rose finishes at the rim in the high 50's (peak 60.0%), Westbrook peaks at 61.4%, and Parker reached 68.8% last season (similar volumes). Averages 65%. All elite, but Parker reigns supreme at the rim.

I like the Aminu answers for best rebounding wing, that's a better answer than Lebron. The post answers are all pretty debatable in that top tier.

Tyreke has a good argument.

dAngelo
10-20-2013, 12:22 PM
point guards:

Best passer - Nash
Best crossover - Irving
Best shooter - Curry
Best finisher - Rose
Best court vision - Rubio
Best leader - CP3
Best defender - Conley

wing players:

Best shooter - Durant
Best all-around scorer - 'Melo
Best defender - Iggy
Best passer - Lebron
Best rebounder - Marion
Best dunker - Derozan

big men:

Best post player - Timmy
Best shot blocker - Sanders
Best passer - Diaw
Best rebounder - Love
Best post defender - Duncan
Best enforcer - Garnett

tredigs
10-20-2013, 12:25 PM
Tyreke has a good argument.

Good call, that's his game. Better case than Rose/Westbrook.

More-Than-Most
10-20-2013, 12:51 PM
point guards:

Best passer - CP3
Best crossover - Jamal Crawford
Best shooter - Steve Nash
Best finisher - Rose
Best court vision - Nash
Best leader - CP3
Best defender - Rondo

wing players:

Best shooter - Durant
Best all-around scorer - Durant/James-
Best defender - Lebron
Best passer - Lebron
Best rebounder - Lebron
Best dunker - Lebron

big men:

Best post player - Timmy
Best shot blocker - Iblaka
Best passer - Pau
Best rebounder - Love
Best post defender - Noah
Best enforcer - Tyson

Best all-around scorer - Durant/James- I say this because if both guys wanted they could drop 80 but enjoy efficiency which is better and makes their teams better. If Lebron just focused on scoring and said to hell with his teammates he would drop 80 a few times a year and I am not joking. He could bully his way close and over power anyone who guards him and get the contact and the foul or the bucket a majority of the time. The only one stopping James from scoring more is James.

Its similar to if Kobe worked on his passing game he could easily be one of the bests at that as well. If he choose to pass more like James does he would be really good at it because of his court vision and overall skill.

More-Than-Most
10-20-2013, 12:52 PM
I honestly think Kobe is underrated as a passer. I remember him driving, drawing attention, and throwing sweet passes to Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and the like. That is one of the biggest weapons he has had over the years. Lebron is totally different. He is a drive and kick guy with elite vision, and Bird/Magic like in his ability to make the right play. Problem with Kobe is he is shoot-first all too often, when his driving and finding the big of finishing is more dangerous that jacking up 3's. Because of this, the words "Kobe" and "passing" make people laugh when said together. But is sure aint from a lack of skill. Dude is hugely skilled as a passer. Lebron is too, he just does it more, and is more focused on it.


I agree with this, although beyond Lebron's willingness to be the playmaker at any time, he's just as good as anyone in the game with his bounce passes to the slasher and in his crosscourt passes. He's probably as good at these two aspects as any wing in history.

Kobe's a legitimately talented passer and could easily be seen as one of the best wing passers in the game if he chose to focus on it, but he still just doesn't have Lebron's arsenal. I was a point growing up and it's the first thing I notice/appreciate about people's games, and frankly it's Lebron's top skill.

But thank you for illustrating how to properly frame his argument.


I totally agree with you, and thank you for bringing that to mind. That is something he does so effortlessly. That is one thing about Lebron that makes him slightly less exciting to the naked eye....he makes everything look so easy. Never tries too hard to be flashy.

This gives me hope for the NBA forum. This is how you argue and debate... :clap:

Leach11
10-20-2013, 01:12 PM
I wasn't trying to bait anyone, I figured most with knowledge of the game would agree with me. But I forgot, I'm on psd.

There isn't a single current or former player, coach, or general manager that would agree with you. It's a baseless assertion that is virtually unarguable. End of story.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:53 PM
For point guards:

Best passer: Rubio
Best crossover: Kyrie
Best shooter: Steph
Best finisher: Westbrook
Best court vision: Paul
Best leader: Paul
Best defender: Bledsoe

For wing players:

Best shooter: Ray Allen
Best all-around scorer: Durant
Best defender: Tony Allen
Best passer: Manu
Best rebounder: Lebron
Best dunker: Gerald Green

For big men

Best post player: Duncan
Best shot blocker: Ibaka
Best passer: Griffin
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Dwight
Best enforcer: Chandler


Ballhog I liked your list so took it and changed about 3 or 4 of them. Allen>Novak as a shooter, Duncan>Dirk as a post player, Bledsoe best defensive PG. Swapped Rubio to best passer, CP3 to best court vision (you had those other way around). Rubio is the more gifted and brilliant passer but CP3 actually sees the floor better in general. Also don't think any wing can dunk like Gerald Green.

Goose17
10-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Why do we rank different things for each position? Why can't we rank each category for each position? Also, grouping PGs by themselves but then grouping PFs and Cs isn't fair. I'm doing it for "guards" "swingmen" "big men"


I would have included 2-guards in the swingmen category; Point, Swingmen, Big Men.

I don't see the point of saying "Swingmen" and "Guards" when the 2-guard can fit in both categories.

Goose17
10-20-2013, 04:43 PM
I'm going to do this in sections, can't be bothered doing it all right now.


I'm going to go with the point guards first,



Best passer: Ricky Rubio (Hands down Nash when healthy. Honorable mentions; Paul, Calderon)
Best crossover: Derrick Rose (Honorable mentions; CP3, Wall, Williams)
Best shooter: Stephen Curry (Honorable mention; Nash when healthy)
Best finisher: Derrick Rose (Honorable mentions; Tony Parker, Westbrook)
Best court vision: Steve Nash (Honorable mentions; CP3, Parker, Rubio, Rondo)
Best leader: Tony Parker (Honorable mentions; CP3, Curry, Rose)
Best defender: Eric Bledsoe (Honorable mentions; Rondo, CP3, Rubio)

jerellh528
10-20-2013, 06:04 PM
There isn't a single current or former player, coach, or general manager that would agree with you. It's a baseless assertion that is virtually unarguable. End of story.

tell me why lebron is a better passer than kobe. No BS just give me something, if you cant then i stand by my belief that kobe is a better passer than lebron. im not asking for who passes more, im asking tell me why you believe lebron is a better passer?

SPURSFAN1
10-20-2013, 09:02 PM
tell me why lebron is a better passer than kobe. No BS just give me something, if you cant then i stand by my belief that kobe is a better passer than lebron. im not asking for who passes more, im asking tell me why you believe lebron is a better passer?

Dude even Magic ****ing Johnson compares Lebron to himself. I don't think Lebron is a great passer, but he is definitely better than Kobe in that category. If you somehow need more explanation, you need to get your homerism goggles off.

jerellh528
10-20-2013, 09:20 PM
Dude even Magic ****ing Johnson compares Lebron to himself. I don't think Lebron is a great passer, but he is definitely better than Kobe in that category. If you somehow need more explanation, you need to get your homerism goggles off.

That was zero explanation. He is definitely better how? All I want is someone to prove it.

aLau10
10-20-2013, 09:24 PM
For point guards:

Best passer: Nash
Best crossover: Irving
Best shooter: Curry
Best finisher: Rose
Best court vision: Rubio
Best leader: Parker
Best defender: CP3

For wing players:

Best shooter: RayRay
Best all-around scorer: Kobe
Best defender: LeBron
Best passer: LeBron
Best rebounder: LeBron
Best dunker: PG

For big men

Best post player: Duncan
Best shot blocker: Ibaka
Best passer: Gasols (Probably Pau more than Marc)
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Dwight
Best enforcer: KG

SPURSFAN1
10-20-2013, 09:45 PM
That was zero explanation. He is definitely better how? All I want is someone to prove it.


Lebron is the primary ball handler on his team. He plays to his strengths. He breaks the defense and dishes for the assist or hockey assist. He gets his teammates more wide open shots than Kobe. Kobe is a shooting guard that shoots first, shoot second, pass third type of player. Is he a good passer? Yeah he is. Is he better than Lebron in that category? No. If you want to get into numbers, go to http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html and http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html .
I already looked into them and Kobe doesn't win in anything besides having more playing time. kobe 7k in 17 years and lebron with 6.2k in 10 years. So let me break it down to you. Lebron has more assist per game and is the main ball handler in his team. I'm not even a lebron slurper, but he is a better passer than kobe.

Shammyguy3
10-20-2013, 11:04 PM
I would have included 2-guards in the swingmen category; Point, Swingmen, Big Men.

I don't see the point of saying "Swingmen" and "Guards" when the 2-guard can fit in both categories.

And forwards can fit into swingmen or bigs, example being a guy like Carmelo Anthony who has played the 4 for the past two seasons at much greater success than playing the 3.

It's not going to be a perfect, cut&dry thing unless we do it for every position, but i personally much prefer grouping all guards together like grouping all big men together.

Furymaker
10-21-2013, 08:31 AM
sorry dude but APG does not measure player's passing ability , lebron is not as great passer as you people make him out to be , he DOES have elite court vision and is good passer , but he is no Magic .
Kobe is great passer , can go in same sentence as lebron , he just doesn't opt to pass as much as lebron and that reflects on APG .

SPURSFAN1
10-21-2013, 08:47 AM
sorry dude but APG does not measure player's passing ability , lebron is not as great passer as you people make him out to be , he DOES have elite court vision and is good passer , but he is no Magic .
Kobe is great passer , can go in same sentence as lebron , he just doesn't opt to pass as much as lebron and that reflects on APG .

His high assists per game suggest he is better at passing, just like magic averaged 11 assist per game.No one is saying he is Magic. geez. Is kobe? No. Is Lebron a better facilitator or passer than Kobe? Yeah. The better you are at one thing, it shows in the stats. I like how you just said I was wrong then showed no proof otherwise. lol

Furymaker
10-21-2013, 09:04 AM
His high assists per game suggest he is better at passing, just like magic averaged 11 assist per game.No one is saying he is Magic. geez. Is kobe? No. Is Lebron a better facilitator or passer than Kobe? Yeah. The better you are at one thing, it shows in the stats. I like how you just said I was wrong then showed no proof otherwise. lol

i didnt say you are wrong , i said apg is not correct way to measure someones passing ability , and this part "the better you are at one thing , shows in the stats " is just wrong way to judge someones passing ability . Kobe is often called as ballhog , but still he's more than capable of being great facilitator averaging 7 apg . He'd just rather shoot it than pass it , simple as that .
You can say Lebron is better playmaker than Kobe , because he simply is , but judging Kobe's passing ability purely because he doesnt average as many assists as Lebron is wrong . I think you get my point , both are great passers , Lebron does it more often and that makes him better playmaker not better passer .

Heatcheck
10-21-2013, 01:03 PM
i didnt say you are wrong , i said apg is not correct way to measure someones passing ability , and this part "the better you are at one thing , shows in the stats " is just wrong way to judge someones passing ability . Kobe is often called as ballhog , but still he's more than capable of being great facilitator averaging 7 apg . He'd just rather shoot it than pass it , simple as that .
You can say Lebron is better playmaker than Kobe , because he simply is , but judging Kobe's passing ability purely because he doesnt average as many assists as Lebron is wrong . I think you get my point , both are great passers , Lebron does it more often and that makes him better playmaker not better passer .

then the only thing left is the eye test, LeBron pulls off some amazing passes that kobe doesn't have the strength or height to pull off.

BklynKnicks3
10-21-2013, 04:31 PM
Best passer : rubio
Best crossover : Crawford
Best shooter : curry
Best finisher : Kyrie
Best court vision : Rubio
Best leader : cp3
Best defender : westbrook

For wing players:

Best shooter KD
Best all-around scorer Melo
Best defender Lerun
Best passer Lerun
Best rebounder Lerun
Best dunker george

For big men

Best post player Aldridge
Best shot blocker Sanders
Best passer Paul Gasol
Best rebounder Love
Best post defender Dwight
Best enforcer Hibbert

koreancabbage
10-21-2013, 09:30 PM
That was zero explanation. He is definitely better how? All I want is someone to prove it.

i want you tell me why Kobe is considered a clutch player. he shoots a HORRIBLE percentage in the dying second of games. I mean Melo is better but why would people even pick Kobe when his failure rate is probably one of the worst amongst all star players? yet people will pick him regardless?

isn't that considered....wait for it.... overrated?

koreancabbage
10-21-2013, 09:52 PM
Yes I believe Kobe is the best passer and far more skilled passer. Lebrons passes consist of drive and dish to the open guy, or jump in the air, get caught and pass to the open guy. Kobe's passing arsenal is huge and has better vision on how a play develops. If you disagree you are a delusional homer and only care that Lebron has more assists per game. Actually to be honest, Lebron is probably the worst passer for the amount of assists he gets. He's a good playmaker, but nowhere near the passer some people make him out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA

dude, just watch some of these. like maybe only ONE pass was to a jumpshooter but he passed from other side of the court to get it to him.

i mean the differences are so small when comparing someone's passing abilities lol. Lebron is obviously the willing passer and Kobe chooses not to pass.

but to say something as that is pure homerism and ignorant as hell. Lebron has way better court vision than Kobe and has been compared to the greatest passing players of all time. Kobe not so much. You can make the argument that Kobe played with scrubs, but so did Lebron in Cleveland. didn't stop from passing to scrub players to get some points.

and talk about being a homer, don't be a hypocrite.

odiz
10-21-2013, 10:00 PM
I'm going to divide it into big men, wings, and point guards. Here we go:

For point guards:

Best passer:nash
Best crossover: Jamal Crawford
Best shooter: Jose Calderon/tony Parker
Best finisher: Tony Parker/rose
Best court vision: cp3
Best leader: Derrick rose
Best defender: rondo

For wing players:

Best shooter: Durant
Best all-around scorer: Carmelo Anthony
Best defender:deng/butler/tony Allen
Best passer:LEBRON
Best rebounder:LEBRON
Best dunker:LEBRON

For big men

Best post player:Duncan
Best shot blocker:Larry sanders
Best passer: Noah, both gasols
Best rebounder:Noah
Best post defender:asik/hibbert/ibaka
Best enforcer:Kevin Garnett

LOLOLOLOL at Parker as a better shooter than Curry.

jerellh528
10-22-2013, 01:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA

dude, just watch some of these. like maybe only ONE pass was to a jumpshooter but he passed from other side of the court to get it to him.

i mean the differences are so small when comparing someone's passing abilities lol. Lebron is obviously the willing passer and Kobe chooses not to pass.

but to say something as that is pure homerism and ignorant as hell. Lebron has way better court vision than Kobe and has been compared to the greatest passing players of all time. Kobe not so much. You can make the argument that Kobe played with scrubs, but so did Lebron in Cleveland. didn't stop from passing to scrub players to get some points.

and talk about being a homer, don't be a hypocrite.

Yooo, thanks for that YouTube highlight reel. Go check out some of Kobe's.

minato_17
10-22-2013, 08:16 AM
For point guards:

Best passer - Chris Paul
Best crossover - Deron Williams
Best shooter - Steve Nash
Best finisher - Westbrook/Rose
Best court vision - Chris Paul
Best leader - Chris Paul
Best defender - Westbrook

For wing players:

Best shooter - Kevin Durant
Best all-around scorer - MELO/Kobe when Healthy
Best defender - Tony Allen/Andre Iguoadola
Best passer - LBJ of course
Best rebounder - LBJ
Best dunker - LBJ wide open fastbreak / Paul George (dunking on everybody)

For big men

Best post player - Tim Duncan
Best shot blocker - Serge Ibaka / Dwight if Healthy
Best passer - Pau Gasol
Best rebounder - Kevin Love
Best post defender - Tyson Chandler
Best enforcer - Tyson Chandler / Dwight if Healthy

koreancabbage
10-22-2013, 09:30 AM
Yooo, thanks for that YouTube highlight reel. Go check out some of Kobe's.

ya but you said Lebron just passes it out to shooters and when he drives and other ignorant statements.

I just wanted to make sure you knew Kobe isn't the only great player out there with the way you talk up Kobe lol.

Oefarmy2005
10-25-2013, 10:52 AM
For point guards:

Best passer - Ricky Rubio
Best crossover - Kyrie Irving
Best shooter - Steve Nash
Best finisher - Kyrie Irving
Best court vision - Chris Paul/Ricky Rubio
Best leader - Chris Paul
Best defender - Chris Paul

For wing players:

Best shooter - Kevin Durant
Best all-around scorer - Melo
Best defender - Kwahi Leonard
Best passer - Lebron
Best rebounder - Lebron
Best dunker - Lebron

For big men

Best post player - Al Jefferson
Best shot blocker - Serge Ibaka
Best passer - Pau Gasol
Best rebounder - Kevin Love
Best post defender - Marc Gasol
Best enforcer - Tyson Chandler

jstone0716
10-25-2013, 11:13 AM
For point guards:

Best passer - Rubio / Nash
Best crossover - Irving / Curry / J-Crawford
Best shooter - Curry
Best finisher - Parker / Rose / J.J. Barea
Best court vision - Rubio / Nash
Best leader - Parker / Paul
Best defender - Conley / Paul

For wing players:

Best shooter - Durant
Best all-around scorer - Durant / Melo / Bryant
Best defender - Lebron
Best passer - Lebron
Best rebounder - Lebron
Best dunker - Lebron

For big men

Best post player - Duncan
Best shot blocker - Ibaka / Howard ( Drummond/McGee are going to be beastly )
Best passer - Gasol brothers / Cousins / Love
Best rebounder - Love / Howard
Best post defender - Hibbert / Marc Gasol
Best enforcer - Tyson Chandler / KG

UPRock
10-25-2013, 11:35 AM
Point Guards:

Best passer: Rubio
Best crossover: Irving
Best shooter: Curry
Best finisher: Rose
Best court vision: Paul
Best leader: Paul
Best defender: Paul

Wing Players:

Best shooter: Durant
Best all-around scorer: Durant
Best defender: Iguodala
Best passer: James
Best rebounder: James
Best dunker: James

Big Men:

Best post player: Duncan
Best shot blocker: Ibaka
Best passer: Gasol
Best rebounder: Love
Best post defender: Howard
Best enforcer: Noah