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Sadds The Gr8
10-17-2013, 12:38 AM
Every summer, PSD holds a game where GM's re-draft players to see who creates the best team. This year, users from the site had to utilize their skills via draft, trades. At the end of the game, GMs voted on how they believed the regular season of this game would shake up. These are the playoffs of PSD's 2013 NBA Re-Draft

Please take the time to consider each line up, the match-up itself, and vote on which team you believe would win in a seven game series.

STATEN ISLAND HAS HOME COURT ADVANTAGE

Staten Island Depth Chart:

PG: Jeff Teague/Devin Harris
SG: Iman Shumpert/Gary Neal/E'twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant/Francisco Garcia
PF: David West/Michael Beasley
C: Chris Kaman/Chris Andersen/Byron Mullens

Albuquerque Depth Chart:

C: Anderson Varajao/Ian Mahinmi
PF: Kenneth Faried/Darrell Arthur
SF: Andre Iguadola/Terrence Ross/Landry Fields
SG: Gerald Henderson/Ben Gordon/Alexey shved
PG: Kyrie Irving/Marquis Teague

Staten Island Writeup:

Writeup vs. Tijuana


First off we would like to congratulate Tijuana for making it this far into the playoffs. However we strongly feel that we deserve to advance to the next round.

Offensive Gameplan

As has been the case throughout the playoffs, our elite floor spacing and excellent shooting will carry us to the next round. Durant’s 0.657 TS% and David west shoots 53% in the paint and has a 47% outside the paint will be able to get their jumpers all game long. Granger is coming off second consecutive years of season ending injury and is unlikely to bounce back with the agility and strength required to guard someone like Durant. We’ll be doing a lot of ISO on him throughout this series. The lack of any defense along the wings plays greatly into our strengths and will allow Shumpert to hit the corner 3 at will with his 0.403%. David west faces a quality defender in Serge Ibaka, however he has outperformed him in all 3 match ups over the past two years

West 17, 21, 14 pts 5, 9, 5 rbs Ibaka 12, 12, 6 pts and 7, 9, 2 rbs

Although this is a small sample size we feel it proves that West has the ability to maintain his averages against Ibaka.

Defensive Gameplan

From a defensive perspective we have all the tools necessary to stop Tijuana’s playoff run. Mike Conley will most likely be operating in the pick and roll with Lopez but Andersen has the speed and tenacity and Teague is quick enough to challenge their only offensive tactic. Jamal Crawford will be shadowed by Shumpert all series and Granger will have a hard time doing anything against an underrated lengthy defender in Kevin Durant. Their other starting player Serge Ibaka had trouble posting consistent offense in a series going toe to toe with ZBO. We feel that West, a superior defender, has all the tools necessary to again limit Ibaka’s effectiveness.

Player Matchups

Teague vs Conley

Conley is clearly the superior player in this matchup however the difference is not as large as it may seem. In the two games played against one another last season Teague was able to maintain his averages despite Conley’s defense. Lastly

Shumpert vs Jamal Crawford

Crawford has always been best suited as a 6th man due to his abysmal defense and his high energy offensive spark. When you throw him into a starting lineup your wings become vulnerable and that offensive spark turns into a poor efficiency chucker. Crawford had a FG% of 43.8 last season and with an elite defender running him off the 3 his offense should be minimized in this series. On the other end Shumpert should be able to expose Crawford’s poor defense and maintain his averages making this matchup (and his number 2 offensive weapon) a wash.

Durant vs. Granger

Anyone one in their right mind can see the huge advantage Durant has in this matchup. Arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA being guarded by a guy coming off consecutive season ending injuries is too easy of a matchup for us to not take advantage. Expect a full series of ISO offense for Durant and averages of 30 points per game. We feel as if Granger will mostly be limited to a spot up 3pt shooter in their offense and Durant should be more than able to stop him well before a shot is ever put up.

West vs. Ibaka

This is a great matchup however we feel that West is the superior player. As stated earlier Serge Ibaka had trouble posting consistent offense in a series going toe to toe with ZBO and West is a better defender who has the speed to keep up with Ibaka. Offensively West has shown previously he can maintain his averages against Ibaka the advantage is clearly ours in this matchup.

Andersen vs. Brook Lopez

Brook Lopez is obviously the better player at C in this series however Andersen is a pesky defender with a defensive RAPM of 4.5 as opposed to Lopez’s offense RAPM of 1.6. With Staten Island having clear advantages at most of the other positions, and especially in the scoring department, Tijuana’s offensive production from Lopez will need to be at or above that of Durant for them to ensure victory. They will most likely boast gaudy numbers of Lopez from a 7 game series with the bulls, but remember one of those games was triple overtime and Noah, who hadplantar fasciitis, still outplayed him for half of the series.

Benches
Lastly we would like to point out that Tijuana has one of the worst benches in the redraft. He does not have one player that can come off the bench and score him 10 points on a given night. Gary Neal, although a hot and cold player, has that potential. Chris Kaman is more than capable of doing this and to a lesser extent Harris and Mullins can as well.

Albuquerque has no writeup.

Sadds The Gr8
10-17-2013, 12:40 AM
LOL Staten Island game-planned against Tijuana when they were facing Albuquerque

Killerjug
10-17-2013, 12:41 AM
:laugh:

Raps08-09 Champ
10-17-2013, 12:42 AM
It's a shame the best team didn't make the finals.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 01:13 AM
Albuquerque takes advantage of bad preparation and steals game 1 and HCA. Keep home court and the 8th seed makes the Finals!

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 01:19 AM
Bad matchup for Saten Island. Iggy will put the clamps on Durant about as good as anyone in the world can. Kaman will let Albuquerques slashers finish at the rim. Irving would abuse Teague. Manimal and Varajao will make West work very hard for every point and rebound.

Durant can't carry the team by himself, especially since Iggy is on him.

ABQ in 6!!!

TrueFan420
10-17-2013, 03:56 AM
Upset city. Albuquerque matches up perfectly to Staten Island.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 07:50 AM
whoops, wrong team hahaha, will you edit it if i give you a new writeup Saad?

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 08:20 AM
Durant's averaged 30.5 / 7.5 / 5 against Denver and Iguadola averaged 9 / 3 /4.3
I think Durant will do just fine.

As for David West, don't confuse Manimal as an elite defender. The guy has a rapm of 1.1 which is respectable but not something that is going to slow down West. In the two games the faced each other last year West scored 17.5/8/3.5 on 0.59% shooting. As for Faried? He averaged 4 points and 6.5 rebounds. These are both matchups that are strongly in our favor!!!!!

As for Kyrie Irving Don't forget that his defense is terrible!!!! In the two games they faced one another last season Teague averaged 21/2/8 which is clearly not as good as Kyrie's 30.5 / 3.5 / 4.5. But the point differential is much smaller than what Durant and West will be putting up over Iggy and Manimal. When Gerald Henderson takes a seat we plan on throwing Shumpert at Kyrie to slow him down a little further.

Overall Alb just doesn't have enough scoring to keep up with Durant / West / Teague.
Their best bench players are Ben Gordan / Arthur? They won't be helping out much for points.
Henderson is shut down for the most part by Shumpert
Iggy turning into nothing more than a 2nd facilitator with Durant guarding him
Manimal faces a 2.3 rapm in David West
Anderson Varejo who has played 81 games in the past 3 season is supposed to be their 2nd best scoring option? Well if thats the case we throw in Chris Andersen and his 4.5 Rapm and limit that production as well.

That leaves Kyrie scoring and Kyrie alone who will get his but with his terrible defense (-2.0 rapm) he'll let up a substantial amount of points himself

Super.
10-17-2013, 10:08 AM
How was Al and 8 seed

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 10:11 AM
How was Al and 8 seed

No perimeter defense? Terrible Bench? Bad Floor Spacing?

mightybosstone
10-17-2013, 10:37 AM
I totally disagree that Albuquerque matches up perfectly with Staten Island. I actually think Staten Island matches up just as well on the flip side. For example, their biggest weakness is post defense with Kaman starting at center, but going up against an offensively inept Andy Varejao means it's not much of a problem at all. And everyone brings up Iggy's defense on Durant, but the guy is going to get his regardless of who is guarding him. Also, Staten Island can match up Shumpert on Irving to bother him every bit as much as Iggy would bother Durant.

Offensively, I think Staten Island is a superior basketball team with a far better 1-2-3 punch and two ideal complements to Durant in West and Teague. But look at Staten Island's bench, which is stacked. They have the perfect defensive bench guy in Anderson, a great backup veteran PG in Harris and some solid bench shooters in Neal and Garcia.

I just can't fathom how Albuquerque wins this matchup. I think those of you who are voting for them are giving way too much credit to Iggy and Irving and not nearly enough credit to Kevin freaking Durant.

Super.
10-17-2013, 10:44 AM
No perimeter defense? Terrible Bench? Bad Floor Spacing?

I wouldn't say any of those are terrible. Iggy is a decent defender, so I wouldn't say they have no perimeter defense, the bench isn't the worst ive ever seen, and the spacing isn't bad, not good, but not bad.

Overall it's a team that meshes quite well with each other.

mightybosstone
10-17-2013, 10:51 AM
I wouldn't say any of those are terrible. Iggy is a decent defender, so I wouldn't say they have no perimeter defense, the bench isn't the worst ive ever seen, and the spacing isn't bad, not good, but not bad.

Overall it's a team that meshes quite well with each other.

I agree with you on the perimeter defense and the floor spacing, but that bench is pretty awful. And in the end, you're betting on a team led by Kyrie Irving whose best No. 2 and No. 3 options are Iggy (13 points, 18.8 USG%) and Henderson (15 points, 53% TS%) over a team led by Kevin Durant and David West. Albuquerque is good, but they have very little postseason experience compared to Staten Island, and their offensive weapons are pretty underwhelming. I just don't buy it.

Shammyguy3
10-17-2013, 11:15 AM
Completely agree with MBT here

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't say any of those are terrible. Iggy is a decent defender, so I wouldn't say they have no perimeter defense, the bench isn't the worst ive ever seen, and the spacing isn't bad, not good, but not bad.

Overall it's a team that meshes quite well with each other.

The spacing is really bad, look for yourself

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1063-Andre-Iguodala/season/2012-2013-REG
Iggy is only effecient inside the paint

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1319-Kenneth-Faried/season/2012-2013-REG
Faried is only effecient in the paint

Varejao doesn't really shoot outside of the paint
Gerald Henderson has Shumpert on him

So where is this floor spacing you speak of?

Just like his offense it begins and ends with Kyrie

Sadds The Gr8
10-17-2013, 11:40 AM
I'd let Shumpert guard Kyrie. If that happens and Kyrie has trouble scoring then Albq would really struggle on offense.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 11:48 AM
Durant's averaged 30.5 / 7.5 / 5 against Denver and Iguadola averaged 9 / 3 /4.3
I think Durant will do just fine.

As for David West, don't confuse Manimal as an elite defender. The guy has a rapm of 1.1 which is respectable but not something that is going to slow down West. In the two games the faced each other last year West scored 17.5/8/3.5 on 0.59% shooting. As for Faried? He averaged 4 points and 6.5 rebounds. These are both matchups that are strongly in our favor!!!!!

As for Kyrie Irving Don't forget that his defense is terrible!!!! In the two games they faced one another last season Teague averaged 21/2/8 which is clearly not as good as Kyrie's 30.5 / 3.5 / 4.5. But the point differential is much smaller than what Durant and West will be putting up over Iggy and Manimal. When Gerald Henderson takes a seat we plan on throwing Shumpert at Kyrie to slow him down a little further.

Overall Alb just doesn't have enough scoring to keep up with Durant / West / Teague.
Their best bench players are Ben Gordan / Arthur? They won't be helping out much for points.
Henderson is shut down for the most part by Shumpert
Iggy turning into nothing more than a 2nd facilitator with Durant guarding him
Manimal faces a 2.3 rapm in David West
Anderson Varejo who has played 81 games in the past 3 season is supposed to be their 2nd best scoring option? Well if thats the case we throw in Chris Andersen and his 4.5 Rapm and limit that production as well.

That leaves Kyrie scoring and Kyrie alone who will get his but with his terrible defense (-2.0 rapm) he'll let up a substantial amount of points himself

Sample size. The head to head matchups dont factor in many things. OKC had Martin and Westbrook to take pressure off Durant. Compare that to Shump and Teague. We all saw that Durant can't carry a team 1 vs 5, especially since he has a top 3 perimeter defender in the world on him.

OKC also had Perkins and Ibaka defending the rim. Kaman is softer than kittens, and while West is a tough guy, he isn't even close to the rim protector that Ibaka is. Iggy, Kyrie, Henderson and the rest of the team would have no issues finishing at the rim against your team.

Super.
10-17-2013, 11:50 AM
I agree with you on the perimeter defense and the floor spacing, but that bench is pretty awful. And in the end, you're betting on a team led by Kyrie Irving whose best No. 2 and No. 3 options are Iggy (13 points, 18.8 USG%) and Henderson (15 points, 53% TS%) over a team led by Kevin Durant and David West. Albuquerque is good, but they have very little postseason experience compared to Staten Island, and their offensive weapons are pretty underwhelming. I just don't buy it.

Psshhh Ben Gordon is the GOAT

But yeah, while i agree their bench is pretty bad, it just doesn't put me over the edge. I just really like AL here.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 11:55 AM
I dont agree that we have a weak bench. Mahimi is one of the best bench bigs in the association. Artuhr is very underrated and are deep on the wings. M Teague is the weakest player, but he's backing up a superstar and wont get much run if any at all. Iggy is a great option for a secondary ball handler (best assist/turnover ratio for all wings). Shved could even run point if he's outpreforming Teague.

Not a weak bench considering most teams rotations are only 8 deep come playoffs

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 12:02 PM
Sample size. The head to head matchups dont factor in many things. OKC had Martin and Westbrook to take pressure off Durant. Compare that to Shump and Teague. We all saw that Durant can't carry a team 1 vs 5, especially since he has a top 3 perimeter defender in the world on him.

OKC also had Perkins and Ibaka defending the rim. Kaman is softer than kittens, and while West is a tough guy, he isn't even close to the rim protector that Ibaka is. Iggy, Kyrie, Henderson and the rest of the team would have no issues finishing at the rim against your team.


Thats why we have Chris Andersen gets starter minutes (look at his RAPM we'll be more than fine defensively. And where are all of these people going to be driving to? The majority of your team is only efficient in the paint so we let iggy drive. There will be 4-5 people between him and the rim.

Varejao and Manimal will camp down there which means my defenders will as well and Durant and Shumpert are fast enough to stay infront of your subpar offensive players meaning you'll have a hell of a time getting to the rim

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 12:06 PM
Thats why we have Chris Andersen gets starter minutes (look at his RAPM we'll be more than fine defensively. And where are all of these people going to be driving to? The majority of your team is only efficient in the paint so we let iggy drive. There will be 4-5 people between him and the rim.

Varejao and Manimal will camp down there which means my defenders will as well and Durant and Shumpert are fast enough to stay infront of your subpar offensive players meaning you'll have a hell of a time getting to the rim
Chris Anderson can't keep up his style of play for starters minutes. That's why he only plays in short spurts. I hope you give him starters minutes because he will either get in foul trouble or get fatigued before halftime.

Kyrie and Iggy are great at the dump off pass. Varajao and Faried both have good hands, and Manimal can use his athleticism to finish over Kaman and West (especially when he beats them down the floor in transition)

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 12:08 PM
And your bench is that bad, you don't have a good 8 man rotation. The bottom line is you won't be able to outscore us and your bench doesn't help

You like Mahimi? the guy averaged 5 ppg in 16 minutes of playing time....He won't get 16 minutes as an 8th man so count him as not helping your problem

Ben Gorodn? Has one of the worst RAPMs in the NBA (-6.4), I implore you to give him minutes.

You like Darrell Arthur? He is almost just as bad at (-5.0)

Shved you say? He averaged 8 ppg in 23 minutes

mightybosstone
10-17-2013, 12:10 PM
I dont agree that we have a weak bench. Mahimi is one of the best bench bigs in the association. Artuhr is very underrated and are deep on the wings. M Teague is the weakest player, but he's backing up a superstar and wont get much run if any at all. Iggy is a great option for a secondary ball handler (best assist/turnover ratio for all wings). Shved could even run point if he's outpreforming Teague.

Not a weak bench considering most teams rotations are only 8 deep come playoffs

No sir. That bench is an abomination and nowhere near good enough to help a contending team compete for a championship. If you stack up your bench with Staten Island's bench, I'd give them an edge at every position aside from maybe PF.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 12:11 PM
Good hands mean nothing when there is 4-5 people in the paint....You never countered that point which means you agree you can't score in the 1/2 court set? So now your offensive production comes solely from Kyrie Irving and transition buckets?

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 12:22 PM
Ben Gordon can still shoot. 40% from 3 his entire career. If you really want 4-5 of your guys in the paint then Kyrie and Gordon will let it fly from deep. I'd run some P&R with Kyrie ball handling. Lots of slashing/backcuts. Have Gordon and Irving coming around screens off the ball for open shot opportunities.

How are you going to score in the 1/2 court?

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 01:16 PM
Ben Gordan isn't going to shoot 40% from 3 if he has Shumpert on him sorry. And Backcuts and slashing don't mean anything with that many people in the paint. Half court is easy for us, your team doesn't play defense! Like I said Kyrie has a def RAPM of -2.0 so Teague can drive and dish (corner 3 to shumpert or durant) or pick and roll (with david west or durant) at will. Both West and Durant have a great jumper so pick and pop is another viable option for us (negates your paint defense). We literally have 3 players who could throw up 20+ a night and Iggy is your only legit defender. Durant 6'10, 7'4 wing span can literally shoot above Iggy 6'7, 6'11 wing span with one quick move and a step back jumper so if all else fails that ISO match up is as good as any.

AI
10-17-2013, 01:21 PM
I'd let Shumpert guard Kyrie. If that happens and Kyrie has trouble scoring then Albq would really struggle on offense.

Pretty much this.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 01:28 PM
Ben Gordan isn't going to shoot 40% from 3 if he has Shumpert on him sorry. And Backcuts and slashing don't mean anything with that many people in the paint. Half court is easy for us, your team doesn't play defense! Like I said Kyrie has a def RAPM of -2.0 so Teague can drive and dish (corner 3 to shumpert or durant) or pick and roll (with david west or durant) at will. Both West and Durant have a great jumper so pick and pop is another viable option for us (negates your paint defense). We literally have 3 players who could throw up 20+ a night and Iggy is your only legit defender. Durant 6'10, 7'4 wing span can literally shoot above Iggy 6'7, 6'11 wing span with one quick move and a step back jumper so if all else fails that ISO match up is as good as any.

So my team has no defense but your team is going to lock me up? ok pal.

Kyrie iso on Teague would be more effective than Durant iso on Iggy.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 02:03 PM
I'm not arguing Kyrie being good, but Kyrie + Iggy <<<<< Durant + Teague. Kyrie doesn't play defense and Iggy isn't going to stop Durant but the reverse can be said about Durant being able to stop Iggy. We win by a large margin in this matchup. you'd be lucky to average 35 from Kyrie + Iggy. Durant + Teague on a bad night would get 35 and on a good one closer to 55.

West would outperform Faried. Shumpert would shut down any offensive production from Henderson or Ben Gordon if you put him in, so that leaves Varejao as your difference maker? I just don't see it......This isn't even factoring in how much better our bench guys are than yours in terms of production.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 02:18 PM
I'm not arguing Kyrie being good, but Kyrie + Iggy <<<<< Durant + Teague. Kyrie doesn't play defense and Iggy isn't going to stop Durant but the reverse can be said about Durant being able to stop Iggy. We win by a large margin in this matchup. you'd be lucky to average 35 from Kyrie + Iggy. Durant + Teague on a bad night would get 35 and on a good one closer to 55.

West would outperform Faried. Shumpert would shut down any offensive production from Henderson or Ben Gordon if you put him in, so that leaves Varejao as your difference maker? I just don't see it......This isn't even factoring in how much better our bench guys are than yours in terms of production.

Not even close. Iggy averaged 18 points in the playoffs. The guy is on team USA and one of the best athletes in the league. He shot 50% from the field and over 45% from 3 averaging 4.3 attempts from deep. Also had 2.0 steals, 8.0 boards and 4.7 assits. This is a guy who helped turn Denver from a bad defensive fringe playoff team to a 3 seed in the west.

Durant is better than Irving no doubt, but Iggy is worlds ahead of Teague and if you can't see that then you lose all credibility.

Iggy is a world class defender too and you are completely ignoring that. Teague is a below average starting point guard in pretty much every aspect important to the position.

Sadds The Gr8
10-17-2013, 02:49 PM
finally some debate in this game. took til the semi finals but at least its here now

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 02:52 PM
If you discredit my small sample size then your 6 game playoffs shouldn't apply either. Looking at Iggy's career playoff numbers he averages 14.4 points on .419% with .364% from three 6 boards and 5 assists. That ladies and gentleman is a terrible efficiency and now he has a guy who was 3rd in the league in defensive win shares guarding him (Thats Kevin Durant for all you boys and girls at home not paying attention). You know who wasn't in the top 20? Yep, Iguadola. Not to mention that guy not in the top 20 is guarding the guy who was #2 in offensive win shares.


"Teague is a below average starting point guard in pretty much every aspect important to the position."


Teague is highly underrated. The guy averaged 14.6 ppg on .451% last season with 7.2 assists per 33 minutes.
Thats pretty much the same FG% as Irving and only 1% less TS%. Teague has a higher ast/to ratio and both a better OFF and DEF rating. So I don't know what metrics you are using to gauge Teague but you are wrong on most accounts. If anything those numbers indicate Teague is a better PG than Kyrie. Kyrie is just a better playmaker with a higher usage%.


How is that for credibility?

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 03:04 PM
I forgot to mention, we can look at PER too if you want?

Teague 16.82 + Durant 28.35 >>> Kyrie 21.51 + Iggy 15.27

45.17 >>> 36.78

We can Compare West / Faried too if you want

West 20.15 vs. Faried 18.52

Estimated wins added more up your ally?

Durant 27.7 Teague 7.6 West 10.5 >>>> Faried 9.0 Iggy 6.6 Kyrie 10.7

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 06:14 PM
bump so more people can see that I made a writeup for Tijuana by mistake :/

DR_1
10-17-2013, 06:53 PM
I forgot to mention, we can look at PER too if you want?

Teague 16.82 + Durant 28.35 >>> Kyrie 21.51 + Iggy 15.27

45.17 >>> 36.78

We can Compare West / Faried too if you want

West 20.15 vs. Faried 18.52

Estimated wins added more up your ally?

Durant 27.7 Teague 7.6 West 10.5 >>>> Faried 9.0 Iggy 6.6 Kyrie 10.7

Estimated wins don't mean crap. You can't put a number value on how important somebody is to a team's win. There are so many variables. Your logic just doesn't hold up.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 06:59 PM
Estimated wins don't mean crap. You can't put a number value on how important somebody is to a team's win. There are so many variables. Your logic just doesn't hold up.

I came at you with 15 different metrics to prove my point (yes that is a slight exageration) and you come back at me with saying one of them is meaningless and adding nothing to your own team's argument......

DR_1
10-17-2013, 07:11 PM
I came at you with 15 different metrics to prove my point (yes that is a slight exageration) and you come back at me with saying one of them is meaningless and adding nothing to your own team's argument......

Because the "stats" you are using are utter bull. Of course KD, Teague, and West are going to have better advanced stats, seeing as how their supporting cast completely embarrasses the likes of Cleveland.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 07:11 PM
If you discredit my small sample size then your 6 game playoffs shouldn't apply either. Looking at Iggy's career playoff numbers he averages 14.4 points on .419% with .364% from three 6 boards and 5 assists. That ladies and gentleman is a terrible efficiency and now he has a guy who was 3rd in the league in defensive win shares guarding him (Thats Kevin Durant for all you boys and girls at home not paying attention). You know who wasn't in the top 20? Yep, Iguadola. Not to mention that guy not in the top 20 is guarding the guy who was #2 in offensive win shares.


"Teague is a below average starting point guard in pretty much every aspect important to the position."


Teague is highly underrated. The guy averaged 14.6 ppg on .451% last season with 7.2 assists per 33 minutes.
Thats pretty much the same FG% as Irving and only 1% less TS%. Teague has a higher ast/to ratio and both a better OFF and DEF rating. So I don't know what metrics you are using to gauge Teague but you are wrong on most accounts. If anything those numbers indicate Teague is a better PG than Kyrie. Kyrie is just a better playmaker with a higher usage%.


How is that for credibility?


I forgot to mention, we can look at PER too if you want?

Teague 16.82 + Durant 28.35 >>> Kyrie 21.51 + Iggy 15.27

45.17 >>> 36.78

We can Compare West / Faried too if you want

West 20.15 vs. Faried 18.52

Estimated wins added more up your ally?

Durant 27.7 Teague 7.6 West 10.5 >>>> Faried 9.0 Iggy 6.6 Kyrie 10.7

First it was a small sample size for iggy, but it's really not too far off of what he normally does, but he did step it up in the playoffs.

You also proved that defensive win shares are meaningless because everyone knows iggy is a better defender than Durant.

Teague put ups Gerald Henderson like numbers, except he had the ball more.

mightybosstone
10-17-2013, 07:33 PM
Because the "stats" you are using are utter bull. Of course KD, Teague, and West are going to have better advanced stats, seeing as how their supporting cast completely embarrasses the likes of Cleveland.

Of course Durant, Teague and West put up better numbers..... Because they're better at basketball.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 07:56 PM
So all of the advanced stats are bull, the normal stats like averages are bull, and my small sample size of head to head stats are bull......but your 6 game stretch against the 19th best defense (in terms of ppg allowed) from Iggy is what you want to base his offensive performance from, even though his career playoff performance is horrid. He is also a great defender because thats what people know him for (he was on team USA 4 years ago)

gotcha, well then I don't know what to say.

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 08:08 PM
Lol me neither

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 08:17 PM
Either way, It's been fun arguing with you man! Best of luck here on out

SugeKnight
10-17-2013, 09:10 PM
:cheers:

Sportfan
10-17-2013, 09:59 PM
If you think about it, Staten Island is a watered down version of Atlantic City which was a 1 and done playoff team while SI is probably going to the finals.

bloomis1307
10-17-2013, 10:07 PM
I don't know about that, Shumpert and Thompson are opposite players; One an elite shooter and the other an elite wing defender who has a spot up 3. Taj is a defender and West can outright score. Chris Anderson is solely defense and Gortat is decen offensively. Jennings is a gunner and Teague is a better distributer

The_Jamal
10-18-2013, 12:02 PM
Staten Island. They need to do a better job with the arguments they are making though

bloomis1307
10-18-2013, 12:09 PM
You keep saying this but you fail to point out the flaws of my logic.....I mean other than the whole part about me originally writing about Tijuana what is wrong with what I have said? I'd be more than happy to take on the constructive criticism

mightybosstone
10-18-2013, 12:27 PM
Where the hell is Nate in all of this discussion? I thought the dude would jump at a chance to make the Finals in a re-draft. This is by far the furthest he's ever gotten in this game.

bloomis1307
10-18-2013, 12:48 PM
I haven't heard from him in a while....I've been wondering where he has been as well

Sadds The Gr8
10-18-2013, 12:50 PM
he posted in the lounge yesterday i think

BullsNumber1Fan
10-18-2013, 12:51 PM
Bad matchup for Saten Island. Iggy will put the clamps on Durant about as good as anyone in the world can. Kaman will let Albuquerques slashers finish at the rim. Irving would abuse Teague. Manimal and Varajao will make West work very hard for every point and rebound.

Durant can't carry the team by himself, especially since Iggy is on him.

ABQ in 6!!!

Iggy "putting clamps" on KD during this past season had KD going off for 37, 34, 25, and 20 in a blowout victory where he only played 24 minutes. Iggy shut him down!

bloomis1307
10-18-2013, 03:22 PM
I said the same thing, but it was deemed too small of a sample size. It is a small , but it shows he is more than capable of putting up numbers. For them to say Iggy's 6 game playoff performance last year is what he should project to do kills me....That is a small sample size too I get that, but where the argument fails is he has many more playof games that disprove those numbers (his playoff performances in years past). Simply put there is no correlation between those 6 games and his previous performance. Durant on the other hand averages those numbers when not guarded by Iggy so the data at least points in the same direction.

The_Jamal
10-18-2013, 04:07 PM
You keep saying this but you fail to point out the flaws of my logic.....I mean other than the whole part about me originally writing about Tijuana what is wrong with what I have said? I'd be more than happy to take on the constructive criticism

You're just using stats incorrectly my man. The adding up WS and PER thing for example. Got to know the context behind the numbers you're posting

KnicksorBust
10-18-2013, 06:12 PM
The only real weakness of Staten Island is Kaman's defense and Albuquerque can't take advantage of that at all with Varejao. Staten Island paired the 2nd best player in the world with good defenders and shooters. That's enough to take them to the finals here.

Sportfan
10-19-2013, 12:41 AM
How does this poll have half the votes of the other one

Mr.Nate30
10-19-2013, 09:58 AM
Because ai asked people to vote in the other one

mightybosstone
10-19-2013, 10:35 AM
Because ai asked people to vote in the other one

It's about time for you to make an appearance Natey Poo. You better be more active in the Finals, or I'm voting for Tampa Bay solely on principal.

DR_1
10-19-2013, 11:49 PM
Congrats to Nate and bloom on advancing. Best of luck going forward!

rhino17
10-19-2013, 11:52 PM
Not gone vote, can't decide, both teams look bad to me

bloomis1307
10-20-2013, 09:52 AM
Thanks Dr_1 it was pretty close there for a while. Congrats on making it this far

SugeKnight
10-20-2013, 09:43 PM
Congrats to Nate and bloom on advancing. Best of luck going forward!

Yup, I'll be rooting for u guys too!

bloomis1307
10-20-2013, 10:53 PM
Thanks guys. It was fun arguing with you guys! Hopefully we're both in the playoffs next redraft and can do it again.