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sunsfan88
10-16-2013, 01:17 PM
On Tuesday, Howard compared Rockets small forward Chandler Parsons to Hedo Turkoglu and Rockets shooting guard James Harden to Courtney Lee but also added that Harden has more scoring ability. He compared Rockets point guard Patrick Beverley to Rafer Alston and Rockets point guard Jeremy Lin to Anthony Johnson.

Howard said he was disappointed that, last February, after the Magic acquired Tobias Harris in a trade, the team granted Harris' request to wear No. 12, Howard's old number.

"I just think that despite whatever happened, there was a lot of things that I did and that we did as a team, and that number was special down there," Howard said. "And I was a little bit upset about that."

(Howard likely didn't know, and perhaps still doesn't know, that Harris wanted to wear No. 12 as a tribute to a close friend who had died of leukemia at 17 years old.)

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-10-15/sports/os-orlando-magic-dwight-howard-1016-20131015_1_magic-shootaround-dwight-howard-orlando-magic

kdspurman
10-16-2013, 01:28 PM
Not even surprised by this... Really hope once the season starts he has less of these kinds of quotes. Not a good look for him, especially because of how folks already viewed him.

Sandman
10-16-2013, 01:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvvk_hG0RhI

Jenceman
10-16-2013, 01:36 PM
LolDwight, seriously? After the way you ****ed with team?

NYKnickFanatic
10-16-2013, 01:44 PM
Lol, Dwight sure is something else.

Teeboy1487
10-16-2013, 01:49 PM
This loser does not deserve the right to have a signature number.

LeperMessiah
10-16-2013, 02:00 PM
Ohhhh You thought they were going to retire your jersey..... Awkward.

Avenged
10-16-2013, 02:03 PM
This is one of those "llullz" moments. Silly Dwight.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 02:07 PM
how can any self respecting nba fan like this cry-baby wimp make my own bed but dont wana lay in it mammas boy? dudes so pathetic :laugh2:

Bruno
10-16-2013, 02:10 PM
"On Tuesday, Howard compared Rockets small forward Chandler Parsons to Hedo Turkoglu and Rockets shooting guard James Harden to Courtney Lee but also added that Harden has more scoring ability. He compared Rockets point guard Patrick Beverley to Rafer Alston and Rockets point guard Jeremy Lin to Anthony Johnson."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uSeuYyPDBQ

NYKnickFanatic
10-16-2013, 02:10 PM
how can any self respecting nba fan like this cry-baby wimp make my own bed but dont wana lay in it mammas boy? dudes so pathetic :laugh2:

Rockets and Heat fans.

shep33
10-16-2013, 02:11 PM
He needs to look closely at LeBron's career path. LBJ got rid of these types of statements and showed it on the court.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 02:11 PM
Rockets and Heat fans.

the rockets gotta support their guy, but what is everyone else thinking?

Bruno
10-16-2013, 02:12 PM
He needs to look closely at what LeBron's career path. LBJ got rid of these types of statements and showed it on the court.

x2, and thats why LBJ is the man now. he became a man.

DreamShaker
10-16-2013, 02:15 PM
Yikes. Those are some really horrible comps. You compare a superstar player to Courtney Lee, and your point guards to a couple of forgettable role players. The only one that isn't insulting is Hedo and Chandler. Except Chandler is a pretty boy and Hedo is...well, yeah. He will be insincerely apologizing for this shortly. Lol.

DreamShaker
10-16-2013, 02:20 PM
the rockets gotta support their guy, but what is everyone else thinking?

Yeah...he really is sort of a doof, though. He still has automatic good will for choosing our team. And he really is sucking up to the city of Houston. So he's trying.

NYKnickFanatic
10-16-2013, 02:21 PM
the rockets gotta support their guy, but what is everyone else thinking?

True. Dwight's attitude is a joke. He just needs to shut up and dominate, like he is capable of doing.

shep33
10-16-2013, 02:40 PM
Yeah...he really is sort of a doof, though. He still has automatic good will for choosing our team. And he really is sucking up to the city of Houston. So he's trying.

Yeah, I don't blame him there at all. He just says some ridiculous things that get him scrutinized in the media even more. That's Dwight though.

He needs to just not comment on stuff like this and go forward. Focus on winning and everything else will fall into place.

69centers
10-16-2013, 02:53 PM
What a cry baby. He did nothing in Orlando. Didn't help them win a thing. They should burn that number rather than retire it in his honor.

Sadds The Gr8
10-16-2013, 03:01 PM
he's an asshat of the highest order

5ass
10-16-2013, 03:02 PM
What a cry baby. He did nothing in Orlando. Didn't help them win a thing. They should burn that number rather than retire it in his honor.

:facepalm:, coming from a Magic fan. Dwight was great for us.

That being said, if he didnt want anyone else wearing #12 he should have stayed. Not that I care anymore, but clearly he does.

5ass
10-16-2013, 03:04 PM
I see people are taking this opportunity to bash Dwight over this stupid comment lol. Its not like he raped a girl in Colorado.

BigBlueCrew
10-16-2013, 03:22 PM
This guy is biggest douche humanly possibly. He really needs to STFU.

NYKnickFanatic
10-16-2013, 03:27 PM
I see people are taking this opportunity to bash Dwight over this stupid comment lol. Its not like he raped a girl in Colorado.

Let's bring Kobe into this...

aLau10
10-16-2013, 03:39 PM
All I can really say is goodluck Rockets with this cry-baby on your team.

dtmagnet
10-16-2013, 03:50 PM
What a chode-master.

ManningToTyree
10-16-2013, 03:51 PM
Why does he insist on making such an ******* out of himself all the time?

Goose17
10-16-2013, 03:53 PM
I wish he would just dominate on the court like everyone knows he should. Nothing else he can do to turn all this bad P.R around.

L8kers4life
10-16-2013, 03:54 PM
I see people are taking this opportunity to bash Dwight over this stupid comment lol. Its not like he raped a girl in Colorado.

Dude your a joke, how does kobe or the lakers always come up for you, everyone on here is bashing dwight because of stupid things he says, why is it no one can talk about dwight without u getting butt hurt

Sandman
10-16-2013, 04:13 PM
I see people are taking this opportunity to bash Dwight over this stupid comment lol. Its not like he raped a girl in Colorado.

wasn't any different from the 8 baby mamas that won the Dwight Lottery

Rockice_8
10-16-2013, 04:21 PM
Clearly he just doesn't get it. Not sure he ever will.

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 04:34 PM
wasn't any different from the 8 baby mamas that won the Dwight Lottery

difference is 1 is consensual and the other is forceful...

lots of these players have many baby mamas. lots of these players cheat on their wives. one of my coworkers is dating a Raptor's player who has a wife

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 04:38 PM
LolDwight, seriously? After the way you ****ed with team?

Not as bad as other players

He got them good pieces in return. Unlike other players who just left in free agency, rather then letting their organization know their intentions ahead of time so that their GM could be a trade and benefit

Sandman
10-16-2013, 04:39 PM
difference is 1 is consensual and the other is forceful...

lots of these players have many baby mamas. lots of these players cheat on their wives. one of my coworkers is dating a Raptor's player who has a wife

only if you buy into that she was actually raped and not just another hussy looking for a payday.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-16-2013, 04:41 PM
Ohhhh You thought they were going to retire your jersey..... Awkward.

Haha.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-16-2013, 04:50 PM
I see people are taking this opportunity to bash Dwight over this stupid comment lol. Its not like he raped a girl in Colorado.

Grow up kid...

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 04:54 PM
Grow up kid...

What growing up is there for him to do? He pointed a fallacy to people's bashing, where everyone is being hypocritical and this comment makes you a hypocrite yourself.

5ass
10-16-2013, 04:56 PM
Grow up kid...

The irony...

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 04:57 PM
only if you buy into that she was actually raped and not just another hussy looking for a payday.

If that was the case then Kobe would never had to have done that apology, with that whole media conference and instead this hussy would've just taken the money to keep her mouth shut. He could've just kept denying it like other athletes have done so in the past.

We hear about those all the time, these people threatening to defame athletes but they never make big news unless its legit, they never call for a huge media conference unless there's some truth to it.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 04:57 PM
how can any self respecting nba fan like this cry-baby wimp make my own bed but dont wana lay in it mammas boy? dudes so pathetic :laugh2:

Those that just care about what a player does on the court and not about their personal lives?

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 04:58 PM
how can any self respecting nba fan like this cry-baby wimp make my own bed but dont wana lay in it mammas boy? dudes so pathetic :laugh2:

Says a Laker fan from the Maritimes.

miller74
10-16-2013, 04:59 PM
This guy is the worst person in sports, well besides Aaron Hernandez

5ass
10-16-2013, 05:02 PM
Those that just care about what a player does on the court and not about their personal lives?

Exactly my point, theyll worship a rape suspect, but when it comes to anyone else theyre so critical. That was my whole point bringing up kobe. Btw im not directing this to bruno, im just saying.

Sandman
10-16-2013, 05:14 PM
If that was the case then Kobe would never had to have done that apology, with that whole media conference and instead this hussy would've just taken the money to keep her mouth shut. He could've just kept denying it like other athletes have done so in the past.

We hear about those all the time, these people threatening to defame athletes but they never make big news unless its legit, they never call for a huge media conference unless there's some truth to it.
What is this based on? You could just as easily say he apologized w/ the house on a finger because he was about to lose at least 50% anyway for cheating on her.

Is there really a baseline for being able to tell the difference between rape and consensual sex based on the apology? You can't even base it on remorse because many rapists/murderers don't have any.

In the same way "why would she have kept going and not taken the money if she wasn't raped", why the hell would they give millions to somebody for crying wolf? IIRC, she took the money in the end anyway. What makes any of it true based on how far the case goes & other than OJ or Tyson have any of these gone to trial? Even Travolta settled out of court with the male masseuses.

ugh this is an ugly post and I'm not trying to blame rape victims here and we're flying off topic, but gold diggers exist too & there are people out there sick enough to falsely claim rape.

smith&wesson
10-16-2013, 05:15 PM
Howard gives new meaning to the phrase “dumb jock”

Byronicle
10-16-2013, 05:21 PM
What is this based on? You could just as easily say he apologized w/ the house on a finger because he was about to lose at least 50% anyway for cheating on her.

Is there really a baseline for being able to tell the difference between rape and consensual sex based on the apology? You can't even base it on remorse because many rapists/murderers don't have any.

In the same way "why would she have kept going and not taken the money if she wasn't raped", why the hell would they give millions to somebody for crying wolf? IIRC, she took the money in the end anyway. What makes any of it true based on how far the case goes & other than OJ or Tyson have any of these gone to trial? Even Travolta settled out of court with the male masseuses.

ugh this is an ugly post and I'm not trying to blame rape victims here and we're flying off topic, but gold diggers exist too & there are people out there sick enough to falsely claim rape.

Majority of Howard's baby mama's are gold diggers

How many of these women say they are on the pill, knowing that they could trap an athlete for life if she gets pregnant?

Bruno
10-16-2013, 05:22 PM
Those that just care about what a player does on the court and not about their personal lives?

on the court? okay.

2012-2013 WS/48 of .134?

not being able to take direction or guidance from one of the most amiable and most intelligent basketball players in NBA history? refusing to play pick and roll properly for the sake of his team and his own production? Refusing to accept his role as the student in the face of a brilliant leader and teacher?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2TBz2phCgY

getting psychologically dominated when his team needed him most?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/4/27/4273512/tim-duncan-trolls-dwight-howard-lakers-spurs

being called 'raw' by one of the greatest post-presences in NBA history despite being a ten year veteran?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1739758-hakeem-olajuwon-says-dwight-howard-is-still-very-raw-on-offense

being mentally weak and not having a good basketball IQ, and not having a go-to-move, yet still having the ego as if he does?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VezWvl-YAA

getting ejected and giving up on his team and the city in the 4th quarter of a playoff series when it was his turn to be "the man"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfHXXude-dI

He doesn't know how to post-up or gain the post position necessary to be "the man" on the box. he's arrogant enough to not want to play pick and roll with nash, yet he doesn't' have the post moves or IQ on the box to anchor an offense? shaq/charles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_0FmXEBnY

funny, all this seems to have to do with stuff on the court, doesn't it? all the stupid things he says and the constant disrespect he shows to multiple franchises and cities is just the icing on the cake in regards to how we analyze this immature and underdeveloped player.

you guys can sit there and talk about "on the court" as much as you want. the fact is, he has a lot of issues on the court, and steve nash, charles Barkley, kareem, shaq, kobe, hakeem and many other greats have all noticed it as well. and don't throw stats towards me or anyone else, last time i checked he just posted a below average WS/48. he has a lot to prove.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 05:26 PM
Says a Laker fan from the Maritimes.
im from and live LA. not that that even matters.

Sandman
10-16-2013, 05:30 PM
Majority of Howard's baby mama's are gold diggers

How many of these women say they are on the pill, knowing that they could trap an athlete for life if she gets pregnant?
Completely agree, that was my point from the beginning that the ***** from Colorado is probably no different from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLb4Go2dmQc

5ass
10-16-2013, 05:37 PM
on the court? okay.

2012-2013 WS/48 of .134?

not being able to take direction or guidance from one of the most amiable and most intelligent basketball players in NBA history? refusing to play pick and roll properly for the sake of his team and his own production? Refusing to accept his role as the student in the face of a brilliant leader and teacher?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2TBz2phCgY

getting psychologically dominated when his team needed him most?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/4/27/4273512/tim-duncan-trolls-dwight-howard-lakers-spurs

being called 'raw' by one of the greatest post-presences in NBA history despite being a ten year veteran?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1739758-hakeem-olajuwon-says-dwight-howard-is-still-very-raw-on-offense

being mentally weak and not having a good basketball IQ, and not having a go-to-move, yet still having the ego as if he does?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VezWvl-YAA

getting ejected and giving up on his team and the city in the 4th quarter of a playoff series when it was his turn to be "the man"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfHXXude-dI

He doesn't know how to post-up or gain the post position necessary to be "the man" on the box. he's arrogant enough to not want to play pick and roll with nash, yet he doesn't' have the post moves or IQ on the box to anchor an offense? shaq/charles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_0FmXEBnY

funny, all this seems to have to do with stuff on the court, doesn't it? all the stupid things he says and the constant disrespect he shows to multiple franchises and cities is just the icing on the cake in regards to how we analyze this immature and underdeveloped player.

you guys can sit there and talk about "on the court" as much as you want. the fact is, he has a lot of issues on the court, and steve nash, charles Barkley, kareem, shaq, kobe, hakeem and many other greats have all noticed it as well. and don't throw stats towards me or anyone else, last time i checked he just posted a below average WS/48. he has a lot to prove.
U do realize most of this was based on his stint with LA while almost completely ignoring what he did in orlando?

Chronz
10-16-2013, 05:38 PM
WTF is up with those comparison

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 05:40 PM
on the court? okay.

2012-2013 WS/48 of .134?

not being able to take direction or guidance from one of the most amiable and most intelligent basketball players in NBA history? refusing to play pick and roll properly for the sake of his team and his own production? Refusing to accept his role as the student in the face of a brilliant leader and teacher?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2TBz2phCgY

getting psychologically dominated when his team needed him most?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/4/27/4273512/tim-duncan-trolls-dwight-howard-lakers-spurs

being called 'raw' by one of the greatest post-presences in NBA history despite being a ten year veteran?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1739758-hakeem-olajuwon-says-dwight-howard-is-still-very-raw-on-offense

being mentally weak and not having a good basketball IQ, and not having a go-to-move, yet still having the ego as if he does?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VezWvl-YAA

getting ejected and giving up on his team and the city in the 4th quarter of a playoff series when it was his turn to be "the man"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfHXXude-dI

He doesn't know how to post-up or gain the post position necessary to be "the man" on the box. he's arrogant enough to not want to play pick and roll with nash, yet he doesn't' have the post moves or IQ on the box to anchor an offense? shaq/charles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_0FmXEBnY

funny, all this seems to have to do with stuff on the court, doesn't it? all the stupid things he says and the constant disrespect he shows to multiple franchises and cities is just the icing on the cake in regards to how we analyze this immature and underdeveloped player.

you guys can sit there and talk about "on the court" as much as you want. the fact is, he has a lot of issues on the court, and steve nash, charles Barkley, kareem, shaq, kobe, hakeem and many other greats have all noticed it as well. and don't throw stats towards me or anyone else, last time i checked he just posted a below average WS/48. he has a lot to prove.

Cause I'm only referring to this year right?

5ass
10-16-2013, 05:41 PM
Dwight was forced into going to LA. Kupchak and co had hope that he would stay. The smartest person in that deal is rob hennigan.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 05:50 PM
Cause I'm only referring to this year right?


Dwight was forced into going to LA. Kupchak and co had hope that he would stay. The smartest person in that deal is rob hennigan.

do I walk around this forum pretending that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the NBA? No, I look at what he's done recently, the way his body reacts to injury and age, and I adjust. you guys are living in the past and while his accomplishments in Orlando were substantial they certainly don't take away from what he did last year, how poor his production was, how poor a teammate he was, or the fact that he's completely bailed on two respectable franchises and fan bases. Will he be better than we has last year? Yes. Will he be the player he was in Orlando? That remains to be seen and the fact that you guys completely ignore what happened last year displays your bias, just as quitting on the Lakers and me calling him out on it displays mine. don't sit there and act like level headed bystanders on a forum of homers.

last year matters. well see if he regains his DPOY forum, and when he does I'll be the first person to give him props.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 05:53 PM
U do realize most of this was based on his stint with LA while almost completely ignoring what he did in orlando?


Cause I'm only referring to this year right?
and no, the bulk of my post doesn't have to do with last year. the criticisms of his game on offense have plagued him for his entire career.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 05:55 PM
do I walk around this forum pretending that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the NBA?

Lol let's not go there.


No, I look at what he's done recently, the way his body reacts to injury and age, and I adjust. you guys are living in the past and while his accomplishments in Orlando were substantial they certainly don't take away from what he did last year, how poor his production was, how poor a teammate he was, or the fact that he's completely bailed on two respectable franchises and fan bases. Will he be better than we has last year? Yes. Will he be the player he was in Orlando? That remains to be seen and the fact that you guys completely ignore what happened last year displays your bias, just as quitting on the Lakers and me calling him out on it displays mine. don't sit there and act like level headed bystanders on a forum of homers.

last year matters. well see if he regains his DPOY forum, and when he does I'll be the first person to give him props.

I'd rather judge Dwight's game based on a majority of his career instead of the last two years where he was struggling with injuries. I don't see anything unfair with that.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 05:57 PM
and no, the bulk of my post doesn't have to do with last year. the criticisms of his game on offense have plagued him for his entire career.

When Dwight was winning second and best player in PSD's annual thread's I've never seen this amount of ammo from you against him.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 05:58 PM
Lol let's not go there.



I'd rather judge Dwight's game based on a majority of his career instead of the last two years where he was struggling with injuries. I don't see anything unfair with that.
why would we judge a player on the majority of their career when talking about who they are right now? we would only do that if we choose to display open bias. which you do. my problem isn't that you're a Howard fan its that you sit around critiquing the homerism of others while you do the same thing and give the same benefit of the doubt to your guy.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:01 PM
When Dwight was winning second and best player in PSD's annual thread's I've never seen this amount of ammo from you against him.

In years past I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was still an excellent defensive player and he hadn't yet had injuries or eroded away his good will. additionally, he was still a young developing player. He is now a ten year veteran. the context was absolutely different.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
10-16-2013, 06:03 PM
Why on earth he thinks we would have not let someone else wear number 12 is beyond me... after the way he left? He must be kidding himself to think there was a chance of that .... he can suck a D

Sandman
10-16-2013, 06:03 PM
why would we judge a player on the majority of their career when talking about right now?

It's not like he's talking about taking his career averages and expecting those.

I think if you're looking for the complete picture you need to look at the complete picture. Last year's numbers might be most relevant but the mitigating factors are important. D'antoni & back injury are big factors. 27 years old is another one that makes it hard to believe anything about last season is permanent.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:03 PM
why would we judge a player on the majority of their career when talking about who they are right now?

Because you said what type of self respecting fan of the Nba would be a fan of Dwight. (Or something to that effect). I'm not as big of a fan as his but that doesn't mean that if somebody's a fan of Dwight they're anyless of a fan. This rekes of the the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.


we would only do that if we choose to display open bias.

Because some of us like larger sample sizes?


which you do. my problem isn't that you're a Howard fan its that you sit around critiquing the homerism of others while you do the same thing and give the same benefit of the doubt to your guy.

Who's homerism am I critiquing? And Howard is not "my guy" nor do I have any reason to be overtly biased of unbiased towards him.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:08 PM
In years past I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was still an excellent defensive player and he hadn't yet had injuries or eroded away his good will. additionally, he was still a young developing player. He is now a ten year veteran. the context was absolutely different.

Hardly ever heard Dwight being called a bad teammate in Orlando, except for the last year of his tenure there.
His ws/48 was never an issue in Orlando.
Getting "physiologically dominated" " ".
Inability to post up and being raw are essentially along the same train of thought to me and in his last year he was making improvements until he got injured.
I'm not intuned enough with his emotions to classify him as mentally weak but I do remember him getting eject a good bit in Orlando. Although I don't remember anybody calling him a quitter either.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:09 PM
Because you said what type of self respecting fan of the Nba would be a fan of Dwight. (Or something to that effect). I'm not as big of a fan as his but that doesn't mean that if somebody's a fan of Dwight they're anyless of a fan. This rekes of the the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
Wrong. they should expect more from him. his athletic ability is too excellent to accept such mediocrity. if you're invested in this game and teams and players you like he should be viewed as a disappointment over the past two seasons. i expect more from players who have displayed potential for excellence, and there's no way I could sit back and be okay with what ive seen for two years. thats just me.




Because some of us like larger sample sizes?
a sample size that no longer reflects the players were discussing? thats a formula for a poor analysis. two seasons is plenty and you know it. like i said, he'll be better than last year but I'd be surprised to see him return to his 2009 forum athletically and defensively. again, when I see it- ill be the first person to give him props.



Who's homerism am I critiquing? And Howard is not "my guy" nor do I have any reason to be overtly biased of unbiased towards him.
really?

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:10 PM
Essentially, I'm talking production. Not that's not all that matters but that's what I care about the most. He could eat little puppies in his spare time for all I care.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:12 PM
It's not like he's talking about taking his career averages and expecting those.

I think if you're looking for the complete picture you need to look at the complete picture. Last year's numbers might be most relevant but the mitigating factors are important. D'antoni & back injury are big factors. 27 years old is another one that makes it hard to believe anything about last season is permanent.
D'antoni? the guy who benched Pau gasol three games into his tenure in order to give dwight what he wanted? strong presence in the post and the refusal to run pick an roll? he did what he could to put dwight where he wanted to be and to get him the ball on the block. dwights inability to perform in the post is his own downfall and his own failure, nobody else's.

what you say about whole picture has merit but as I've said, I need to see a return to such production before I just assume it will be the reality in houston. of course last year isn't permanent; the reality of his production will be somewhere in-between his best years in orlando and last year in los angeles.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:13 PM
Wrong. they should expect more from him. his athletic ability is too excellent to accept such mediocrity. if you're invested in this game and teams and players you like he should be viewed as a disappointment over the past two seasons. i expect more from players who have displayed potential for excellence, and there's no way I could sit back and be okay with what ive seen for two years. thats just me.

I'll expect more once I know he's fully healthy.


a sample size that no longer reflects the players were discussing? thats a formula for a poor analysis. two seasons is plenty and you know it. like i said, he'll be better than last year but I'd be surprised to see him return to his 2009 forum athletically and defensively. again, when I see it- ill be the first person to give him props.

It's plenty but in the face of data ranging from 2007-2011 it's not sitting so pretty huh?



really?

Seriously.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:14 PM
Essentially, I'm talking production. Not that's not all that matters but that's what I care about the most. He could eat little puppies in his spare time for all I care.

i understand.

5ass
10-16-2013, 06:16 PM
If were critiquing dwight for not being a great number one option, thats fine with me, but making him out to be inept offensively is wrong. He is a great second option. All that being said his greatest impact goes beyond scoring. Dwight in orlando was our number one option offensively, but the team ignored him for long stretches in some games and wouldnt give him the ball sometimes for a whole quarter. Its not like he wants to be the one shooting the most shots. He just want some touches. They might not always be effective, but on avg hes pretty effective in the post. You have to take the good with the bad like every other player in the NBA.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:16 PM
Hardly ever heard Dwight being called a bad teammate in Orlando, except for the last year of his tenure there.
His ws/48 was never an issue in Orlando.
Getting "physiologically dominated" " ".
Inability to post up and being raw are essentially along the same train of thought to me and in his last year he was making improvements until he got injured.
I'm not intuned enough with his emotions to classify him as mentally weak but I do remember him getting eject a good bit in Orlando. Although I don't remember anybody calling him a quitter either.

i'm harsh on him because he can be excellent, and I think his behavior has been poor the past two years. of course he's a great player, i just get fed up with the nonsense when he should be displaying better than that. i dont like seeing players not live up to their potential, then sit around and complain when things don't go their way. thats where im coming from. but i also understand where you guys are coming from and maybe my initial post and criticism of his fans was a bit over the top. im not looking to be insulting

:cheers:

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:17 PM
If were critiquing dwight for about dwight not being a great number one option, thats fine with me, but making him out to be inept offensively is wrong. He is a great second option. All that being said his greatest impact goes beyond scoring. Dwight in orlando was our number one option offensively, but the team ignored him for long stretches in some games and wouldnt give him the ball sometimes for a whole quarter. Its not like he wants to be the one shooting the most shots. He just want some touches. They might not always be effective, but on avg hes pretty effective in the post. You have to take the good with the bad like every other player in the NBA.

oh, i think he'd be a good second option as well. but he wasn't open to that. he wants to be the man, right?

dwight is more limited offensively than he should be. sorry man im just with KAJ on this one. ive seen enough.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:17 PM
Your criticism of Dwight is valid, I'm just saying I believe that you're (and Laker fans in general. Look at that "What do you expect from the Rockets thread) letting the last few years play harder into your perception of him than his overall body of work.

5ass
10-16-2013, 06:19 PM
i'm harsh on him because he can be excellent, and I think his behavior has been poor the past two years. of course he's a great player, i just get fed up with the nonsense when he should be displaying better than that. i dont like seeing players not live up to their potential, then sit around and complain when things don't go their way. thats where im coming from. but i also understand where you guys are coming from and maybe my initial post and criticism of his fans was a bit over the top. im not looking to be insulting

:cheers:
But you cant go around criticizing players for what they couldve been. Kobe couldve been a great defender these past years, he definetly had the potential to do it.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:19 PM
i'm harsh on him because he can be excellent, and I think his behavior has been poor the past two years. of course he's a great player, i just get fed up with the nonsense when he should be displaying better than that. i dont like seeing players not live up to their potential, then sit around and complain when things don't go their way. thats where im coming from. but i also understand where you guys are coming from and maybe my initial post and criticism of his fans was a bit over the top. im not looking to be insulting

:cheers:

Lol it's cool man. I've seen you post enough to know your a level headed dude. And being a Kobe Bryant fan probably has you spoiled (see the bolded).

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:21 PM
But you cant go around criticizing players for what they couldve been. Kobe couldve been a great defender these past years, he definetly had the potential to do it.

i dont think so. and he shouldn't even be mentioned in such a discussion, he's overachieved beyond belief.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:21 PM
Lol it's cool man. I've seen you post enough to know your a level headed dude. And being a Kobe Bryant fan probably has you spoiled (see the bolded).

absolutely spoiled, and dwight had a lot of pressure of what to live up to, probably too much pressure.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 06:22 PM
Your criticism of Dwight is valid, I'm just saying I believe that you're (and Laker fans in general. Look at that "What do you expect from the Rockets thread) letting the last few years play harder into your perception of him than his overall body of work.

understandable.

mike_noodles
10-16-2013, 06:34 PM
Just wow. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

ManRam
10-16-2013, 06:35 PM
Well, that's dumb.

Still worrying about Dwight's feelings at this is just as so.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:39 PM
absolutely spoiled, and dwight had a lot of pressure of what to live up to, probably too much pressure.

Yea, he's starting to get that Melo treatment where people think he's better than he really is. So they compare him elite 6 (Shaq, Wilt, DRob, Dream, KAJ and Timmy) as far as bigmen go. He's more inline with Ewings, Mouring and Nances of the world to me.

b@llhog24
10-16-2013, 06:40 PM
Anyways, just clocked out so we'll continue this another time. :cheers:

Bruno
10-16-2013, 07:03 PM
Yea, he's starting to get that Melo treatment where people think he's better than he really is. So they compare him elite 6 (Shaq, Wilt, DRob, Dream, KAJ and Timmy) as far as bigmen go. He's more inline with Ewings, Mouring and Nances of the world to me.

totally.

Sandman
10-16-2013, 07:22 PM
D'antoni? the guy who benched Pau gasol three games into his tenure in order to give dwight what he wanted? strong presence in the post and the refusal to run pick an roll? he did what he could to put dwight where he wanted to be and to get him the ball on the block. dwights inability to perform in the post is his own downfall and his own failure, nobody else's.
I don't think its his downfall its just not a strong point of his. He's a clunky clown-footed type of a guy & you can tell from his free throw shooting the type of manual dexterity he has. His game will always be based on athleticism and he will have his shortcomings against teams with bigs that can match his athleticism. Thing there is the guys that can stymie Howard are just about as rare as he is.

Howard's always been one to chirp at the coach when he isn't getting the ball the way he wants it so I wouldn't be surprised if he said something but I'm not sure that means he was unwilling. I think the D'antoni move was a miss from the get go. I think he's a one trick pony and if he can't run it perfectly he has no back up plans. He likes putting players in the doghouse (like Gasol or Nate Robinson) and he tries to force square pegs in round holes to fit his system, instead of adapting his system to fit his players.

Basically, they took a dominant defensive center w/ an offensive game that dominates guys smaller than him but lacks the agility vs guys his own size and they put him with a coach that ignores defense and plays a high pace pick and roll system. It was a stupid match from the start.

MrfadeawayJB
10-16-2013, 07:36 PM
This guy becomes more and more of a self-absorbed douche everyday

Vinny642
10-16-2013, 07:48 PM
Dwight is a funny immature person

topdog
10-16-2013, 09:29 PM
That's like cheating on a girlfriend and then saying, "I can't believe, she got a new boyfriend. We had such good times together... even though she was a crazy *****" lol

John Walls Era
10-16-2013, 09:33 PM
"On Tuesday, Howard compared Rockets small forward Chandler Parsons to Hedo Turkoglu and Rockets shooting guard James Harden to Courtney Lee but also added that Harden has more scoring ability. He compared Rockets point guard Patrick Beverley to Rafer Alston and Rockets point guard Jeremy Lin to Anthony Johnson."

:laugh: His new teammates must be thrilled.

DODGERS&LAKERS
10-16-2013, 11:14 PM
I don't really care about the number thing but my God. Those comparisons are the worst I have ever seen. Harden is Lee? Come on Dwight.

I think he is trying to pull a Psd'er and downgrade his teammates to make him look better if they win. That's the only thing I can think of. If he compared Kobe to Lee, they would be fighting right now.

*Superman*
10-16-2013, 11:59 PM
The moment Dwight was officially disowned from #12 in Orlando.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N7_XfG_Y0c

N3TS
10-17-2013, 01:00 AM
He should have expected that his jersey wouldn't be held especially with how the way things went on for some time. He should just focus on the future and move on, he's committed to Houston so he should give the rockets a reason to retire no. 12.

LeperMessiah
10-17-2013, 01:33 AM
Majority of Howard's baby mama's are gold diggers

How many of these women say they are on the pill, knowing that they could trap an athlete for life if she gets pregnant?

Oh they are on a pill alright.

IversonIsKrazy
10-17-2013, 01:43 AM
Lol I was debating on whether or not to even comment. SHaking my head, lol. And not only the #12 thing, but his comparisons are so bad Lol. Its like a 12 year old talking NBA lol

Iron24th
10-17-2013, 07:01 PM
He needs to look closely at LeBron's career path. LBJ got rid of these types of statements and showed it on the court.

This.

LBJ has evolved as a true professional and a true competitor.

Dwight seems happy to stay the goofy diva that he is.

NoahH
10-17-2013, 07:11 PM
Man.. What a dick... Harris is wearing #12 as a memorial for his friend!

jp611
10-17-2013, 07:12 PM
What a complete moron lol

He really can't be this dumb, can he?

numba1CHANGsta
10-17-2013, 07:18 PM
Lmao I love it, he got what he deserved

Hellcrooner
10-17-2013, 08:43 PM
Seriously Dwight might be the biggest Dumbhead in the story of the game.

D-Leethal
10-17-2013, 09:19 PM
I sure hope he didn't know WHY he requested that number before he decided to go and ***** about it.

Man Dwight is really easy not to like.

kobe4thewinbang
10-18-2013, 01:28 AM
BREAKING NEWS - Dwight Howard upset because of [insert petty reason].

This dude's a joke. Could be an unstoppable beast, but goddamn, his brain is stuck in grade school.

ThuglifeJ
10-18-2013, 02:06 AM
He should just not speak..or at least think before he does once in a while.. the fact he's a father too.. I understand 'child at heart' men and that its hard to let go of youth sometimes but DAM he literally hasn't moved on from middle school. I acted less stupid by the end of 8th grade.

And these comparisons?? What is that? Like what? Why?

SteBO
10-18-2013, 06:01 AM
What a jack***.....why the **** would he think he'd have his number equivalent to being retired in ORL. Hell Shaq is greater than he'll ever be and even he doesn't have a retired jersey in the rafters; and the Magic will never do it.

He needs to mature and quickly....