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Matter.
10-16-2013, 12:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9830816/2013-nba-player-rankings-21-25



Well then...

Kobe ranked 25th by ESPN in player rankings behind names like Bosh,Noah,Wall,Williams

sammyvine
10-16-2013, 12:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9830816/2013-nba-player-rankings-21-25



Well then...

Kobe ranked 25th by ESPN in player rankings behind names like Bosh,Noah,Wall,Williams

he is clearly higher than 25th but who takes espn rankings seriously?

FlashBolt
10-16-2013, 12:40 PM
Dwight Howard made the list? What's going on here?

mightybosstone
10-16-2013, 12:42 PM
Oh ****.... I saw this about 15 minutes ago, and my first reaction was "PSD's going to go *******." I didn't want to be the one to create the thread and begin WWIII.

Seriously though, even as somebody who is constantly on the other side of Kobe arguments, I think 25 is far too low. He's coming off one of the best seasons he's had in years and even with the Achilles injury, there's no reason to believe he won't still be one of the league's most dangerous scorers this season.

Eg714
10-16-2013, 12:43 PM
All this will do is drive Kobe. He will be on a mission to prove all his haters wrong.

NYKnickFanatic
10-16-2013, 12:43 PM
he is clearly higher than 25th but who takes espn rankings seriously?

This.

shep33
10-16-2013, 12:46 PM
I understand the injury aspect but 25 is low. It'll probably fuel him, so I don't think it matters either way

Matter.
10-16-2013, 12:47 PM
I know ESPN always speaks shitt, but 25 is rather insane though.

king4day
10-16-2013, 12:51 PM
Obviously this is due to his injury. I don't think he'd be this low if he was healthy.

shep33
10-16-2013, 12:51 PM
How is Kobe only No. 25 in #NBArank? Last year D.Rose was No. 5 and A.Bynum No. 13 and both didn't play. Voters learning to weigh injuries

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/tag/los_angeles_lakers#ixzz2hu9MGfwE

Yeah, the ranking system is pretty messed to say the least

kdspurman
10-16-2013, 12:55 PM
Obviously this is due to his injury. I don't think he'd be this low if he was healthy.

Yea, i guess what some are arguing is Bynum last year supposedly was 13 and Rose was 5.

I don't think it's a good ranking for Kobe at all, but like others have said, it's ESPN's rankings. It is what it is, much like their weekly power rankings. Makes for good debate, but that's about it

Matter.
10-16-2013, 01:00 PM
Obviously this is due to his injury. I don't think he'd be this low if he was healthy.

Yea, i guess what some are arguing is Bynum last year supposedly was 13 and Rose was 5.

I don't think it's a good ranking for Kobe at all, but like others have said, it's ESPN's rankings. It is what it is, much like their weekly power rankings. Makes for good debate, but that's about it
A good motivation for mamba

Avenged
10-16-2013, 01:02 PM
That is an absurd ranking. Kobe was clearly the Lakers best player so how is it that injuries are at fault here when Dwight's excuse ALL season was injury and yet is going to be ranked higher.

king4day
10-16-2013, 01:03 PM
Yea, i guess what some are arguing is Bynum last year supposedly was 13 and Rose was 5.

I don't think it's a good ranking for Kobe at all, but like others have said, it's ESPN's rankings. It is what it is, much like their weekly power rankings. Makes for good debate, but that's about it

I wasn't aware of that. If they felt Rose and Bynum would be that high than maybe it is a hater poll.
Once he's back, I don't see him being the 25th best and doubt any logical fan would buy it either.

Sadds The Gr8
10-16-2013, 01:08 PM
this is just to get a reaction. 99% of ESPN will be riding Kobe's nuts once he comes back.

sunsfan88
10-16-2013, 01:12 PM
I hate Kobe but he's top 10.

Wrigheyes4MVP
10-16-2013, 01:22 PM
Its rather obvious that the Achilles injury is a strong factor in this ranking otherwise he'd be in the top 10.

flea
10-16-2013, 01:28 PM
Kobe is a hero warrior and this writer is a coward.

Jenceman
10-16-2013, 01:33 PM
Lol wow, coming off one of his best seasons in is 17th season and ranked 25th. A far more effective player than Howard was, who utterly failed to take any leadership role with the Lakers, and injuries were used as the excuse for Dwight.

I didn't get mad at his #7 ranking last year, he was inefficient that previous season. But this is dumb.

8kobe24
10-16-2013, 01:34 PM
espn

Longhornfan1234
10-16-2013, 01:38 PM
Kobe is easily the best SG in league and top 10 player. I can't believe they rated bum knees Wade and no mid range game Harden over the Mamba.

mightybosstone
10-16-2013, 01:47 PM
Kobe is easily the best SG in league and top 10 player. I can't believe they rated bum knees Wade and no mid range game Harden over the Mamba.

Harden is better than Kobe. He's a better perimeter shooter and a more efficient scorer. And who cares if he doesn't excel at mid range jumpers? The most efficient places to score are around the rim, beyond the arc and from the free throw line, and Harden excels at all three.

Teeboy1487
10-16-2013, 01:48 PM
ESPN continues to lose what little respect and credibility I had for them . This ranking is plain ridiculous.

ManRam
10-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Henry Abbot explained:

For the record, this year's #NBArank is specifically about expected performance in the upcoming season. Kobe's Achilles a big factor.


I can understand that, but 25 is still a bit too low. I'd have him in the mid 10s probably...the injury a big reason, as is the inevitable regression (that didn't really happen last season, but it has to soon and the injury will cause some of it). He was a top 10 player last season...but I think he'll finish the season somewhere in the teens all things considered.


But in the end, these silly rankings mean nothing. Kobe will prove whether the people down on him are right or not. I do enjoy seeing the outrage that spawns from these pointless rankings, tho

J4KOP99
10-16-2013, 01:57 PM
He should have received an n/a

bholly
10-16-2013, 01:57 PM
Yea, i guess what some are arguing is Bynum last year supposedly was 13 and Rose was 5.

I don't think it's a good ranking for Kobe at all, but like others have said, it's ESPN's rankings. It is what it is, much like their weekly power rankings. Makes for good debate, but that's about it


That is an absurd ranking. Kobe was clearly the Lakers best player so how is it that injuries are at fault here when Dwight's excuse ALL season was injury and yet is going to be ranked higher.

They changed NBARank this year. In previous years it was about the past season's performance. This year it's about the future season's performance. Ergo, Kobe's injury is factored in while Bynum and Rose's weren't.


Its rather obvious that the Achilles injury is a strong factor in this ranking otherwise he'd be in the top 10.

Yeah, in the 5-on-5 that goes with the rankings they're talking about him being top 10 or even top 5 without the injury. This isn't an issue of Kobe hate, it's one of how heavily you should factor an injury - not something people should be getting upset about.

LeperMessiah
10-16-2013, 01:58 PM
this is just to get a reaction. 99% of ESPN will be riding Kobe's nuts once he comes back.

They will worship him like a God.

Bruno
10-16-2013, 02:04 PM
this is great news. how much billboard material can they possibly give kobe in one single off-season? this thread will be bumped in a few months.

lakerfan85
10-16-2013, 02:17 PM
Harden is better than Kobe. He's a better perimeter shooter and a more efficient scorer. And who cares if he doesn't excel at mid range jumpers? The most efficient places to score are around the rim, beyond the arc and from the free throw line, and Harden excels at all three.

Yeah, I would say harden is the best shooting guard ever at this point...

Longhornfan1234
10-16-2013, 02:18 PM
Harden is better than Kobe. He's a better perimeter shooter and a more efficient scorer. And who cares if he doesn't excel at mid range jumpers? The most efficient places to score are around the rim, beyond the arc and from the free throw line, and Harden excels at all three.

Kobe: 46 FG%, 57 TS%


Harde: 43 FG%, 60 TS%


They're pretty close efficiency wise.

nycericanguy
10-16-2013, 02:47 PM
If anyone can come back its Kobe, I think 25 is def harsh.

Also odd but I don't even see MWP or Bargs ranked... now I know Bargs is coming off a rough year, but there are not 500 players better than him... or MWP.

Slug3
10-16-2013, 03:07 PM
Just to add fuel to the fire.

I believe last year Rose was in the top 5 still after his ACL injury. If they are using Kobe's injury as an excuse to drop him then why didnt they do it to Rose?

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 03:09 PM
Just to add fuel to the fire.

I believe last year Rose was in the top 5 still after his ACL injury. If they are using Kobe's injury as an excuse to drop him then why didnt they do it to Rose?

Either they aren't medically ignorant or they are throwing **** at the wall. Probably the second one.

zn23
10-16-2013, 03:15 PM
He shouldn't be THAT low. He's like top 10-15. But I think he should get the same respect Derrick Rose got last year, when he was ranked 5 and missed the whole season.

lamar2006
10-16-2013, 03:53 PM
BSPN aka Fox News.

Minimal
10-16-2013, 03:57 PM
ESPN can't rank players properly, same as PSD community. Harden nr 5? Bosh barely a top 50 player?

DR_1
10-16-2013, 04:01 PM
ESPN can't rank players properly, same as PSD community. Harden nr 5? Bosh barely a top 50 player?

This. And was Bosh really only 50? I refuse to even visit their site anymore so I wouldn't know.

Minimal
10-16-2013, 04:16 PM
This. And was Bosh really only 50? I refuse to even visit their site anymore so I wouldn't know.
I meant PSD barely ranked Bosh top 50. Bosh was ranked 9th at Center position, which basically makes him 45-50 player or even lower, considering how weak center position is compared to other positions.

mjt20mik
10-16-2013, 04:26 PM
Whoever has picked up Kobe in their fantasy leagues are lucky as hell. He's gonna have an amazing year.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-16-2013, 04:35 PM
Kobe: 46 FG%, 57 TS%


Harde: 43 FG%, 60 TS%


They're pretty close efficiency wise.

Kobe's way better than Harden. Mighty is just a Harden homer.

bholly
10-16-2013, 04:42 PM
If anyone can come back its Kobe, I think 25 is def harsh.

Also odd but I don't even see MWP or Bargs ranked... now I know Bargs is coming off a rough year, but there are not 500 players better than him... or MWP.

MWP is 189. Bargs is 143. Not sure why they don't show up on the Knicks page.

BklynKnicks3
10-16-2013, 04:44 PM
Lmao the question is who is dumber psd for putting Kobe ahead of Melo or espn for putting him 25th because anyone with a half of brain knows Kobe is between 5-7

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 05:18 PM
Kobe's way better than Harden. Mighty is just a Harden homer.

600 is not close at all to 570. Harden is by far better than Kobe in every measurable way.

nycericanguy
10-16-2013, 05:25 PM
600 is not close at all to 570. Harden is by far better than Kobe in every measurable way.

dude its not the advanced stats award!

Harden's TS is so great because he gets to the line a ton... but that's not the only thing that I look for in a player.

Poeple really get carried away with this TS% sometimes.

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 05:27 PM
dude its not the advanced stats award!

Harden's TS is so great because he gets to the line a ton... but that's not the only thing that I look for in a player.

Poeple really get carried away with this TS% sometimes.

I don't think there is more more outdated, simple version way to view Harden's game. In what possible way does Kobe best Harden? They are equally bad at defense. Harden at this point of his career is better offensively.

As for the bold, Ray Allen was so great because he shot a ton of threes. So ****ing what? The game is about getting more points than your opponents at the end and Harden's game right now does that better than Kobe's game.

FlashBolt
10-16-2013, 05:28 PM
Harden better than Kobe? Haha. What does Harden do better than Kobe at? He's just younger, he's not better.

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 05:32 PM
Harden better than Kobe? Haha. What does Harden do better than Kobe at? He's just younger, he's not better.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RyxgA

In the stats that best correlate to winning, Harden is far better.

bholly
10-16-2013, 05:37 PM
Lmao the question is who is dumber psd for putting Kobe ahead of Melo or espn for putting him 25th because anyone with a half of brain knows Kobe is between 5-7

So you're dumb if you put Kobe ahead of Melo, but anyone who puts Kobe lower than 7 has less than half a brain - so in short you're saying it's indisputable that Melo is a top 6 player? ie, you're saying out of Kobe, Blake, Dwight, TD, Harden, TP, Westbrook, Wade, Irving, Curry, etc, there's only two (at most) who have even just an argument of being above Melo? Seriously?

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 05:38 PM
That's exactly what he is saying, Bholly. People just don't think when they are talking rankings without the players faces in front of their names.

bholly
10-16-2013, 05:39 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RyxgA

In the stats that best correlate to winning, Harden is far better.

Last time I saw proper evidence, the stat that best correlated to winning was WP48. Harden still beats Kobe by a mile in that stat, so the point stands, I just thought I'd throw that out there.

canefandynasty
10-16-2013, 05:45 PM
Wade > Harden > Kobe

Matter.
10-16-2013, 06:18 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RyxgA

In the stats that best correlate to winning, Harden is far better.

Sorry but 10 TO's in the playoffs is sad

Kashmir13579
10-16-2013, 06:31 PM
ESPN is a disney company

yungincome
10-16-2013, 06:42 PM
ESPN is a joke :laugh2:

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-16-2013, 07:07 PM
600 is not close at all to 570. Harden is by far better than Kobe in every measurable way.

... Fail

LA_Raiders
10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
BSPN sucks

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 09:53 PM
Sorry but 10 TO's in the playoffs is sad

Harden's career playoff numbers are the same as his regular season stats. His turnover rate? Below average. He just handles the ball a lot.

Guppyfighter
10-16-2013, 09:53 PM
... Fail

You are dumb.

Drummond#1
10-16-2013, 10:49 PM
When healthy. Kobe will respond by scoring 82 in a game and then ripping off Jon Berry's head and ******** down his throat. How do people keep forgetting... you don't **** with the second most competetive player of all time.

FlashBolt
10-17-2013, 12:01 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RyxgA

In the stats that best correlate to winning, Harden is far better.

http://speedcap.net/sharing/files/34/7b/347bcb05e59359b4ca26301c5ee590e2.png

So, Deron Williams is the 9th best player? Better than Melo and Wade? Marc Gasol, why is he even on this list? No Tim Duncan? Hmmm, win shares is errrrrything.

N3TS
10-17-2013, 01:04 AM
This is only going to motivate Kobe.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 02:04 AM
http://speedcap.net/sharing/files/34/7b/347bcb05e59359b4ca26301c5ee590e2.png

So, Deron Williams is the 9th best player? Better than Melo and Wade? Marc Gasol, why is he even on this list? No Tim Duncan? Hmmm, win shares is errrrrything.

I hope you realize winshares isn't a rate stat. It's accumulative. Duncan only played 28 minutes a game. It's not that hard to understand.

Not only that, but I was showing that link for every stat, not just winshares.

kblo247
10-17-2013, 02:15 AM
Espn is doing this for press.

I mean really, predicting the Knicks are a 37 win team and then a day later saying there's 24 players who are better than KB24 when there were only a handful better last year and they didnt bother worrying about injuries at all for Rosť and Bynum.

Its an easy way to get people talking and start fake banter for ratings. Disrespect Kobe, the Lakers, Los Angeles, New York, Carmelo, and the Knicks in 48 hours. Its cheap but effective to draw interest

kblo247
10-17-2013, 02:25 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RyxgA

In the stats that best correlate to winning, Harden is far better.

I would just say in the stats that correlated to winning last year, Kobe helped his team win games and finish with a better record. Hrden shot his team down the standings after last years break. They went from a shot at 5th to 8th because he didnt step up like Kobe or Curry when the games really started mattering. He was god awful in march and April

ThaDubs
10-17-2013, 02:28 AM
Does this have something to do with him being injured? Or is ESPN really that stupid?

kblo247
10-17-2013, 02:49 AM
Rose was ranked 5 last year and Bynum 13 while injured. It screams trolling for hits to me

ThaDubs
10-17-2013, 02:56 AM
Rose was ranked 5 last year and Bynum 13 while injured. It screams trolling for hits to me

ESPN smh

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 03:06 AM
I would just say in the stats that correlated to winning last year, Kobe helped his team win games and finish with a better record. Hrden shot his team down the standings after last years break. They went from a shot at 5th to 8th because he didnt step up like Kobe or Curry when the games really started mattering. He was god awful in march and April

I know the Lakers felt they had a ****** season, but they were still more talented than than the Rockets. Rockets didn't even have a legit power forward. Of course the Lakers won more game. Stop attributing team wins to individual players.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 04:40 AM
Hahahahahahaha... This is pure comedy. ESPN trolling at it's finest... How cute. I am not at all offended by this in the slightest because I already know that Kobe is going to make them all look like the morons they really are once he comes back and tears up the league once again. Back in 2008 when they all predicted the Lakers to barely make the playoffs, Kobe led them to the best record and won MVP. You just honestly have to sit back and laugh at crap like this. Lucky for the analysts at ESPN, being accurate is not a prerequisite for job security. They can just sputter out the most outlandish nonsense and still have a job in the morning... Only in America.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 04:44 AM
I know the Lakers felt they had a ****** season, but they were still more talented than than the Rockets. Rockets didn't even have a legit power forward. Of course the Lakers won more game. Stop attributing team wins to individual players.

Kobe > Harden last season... Accept it.

Kobe also never chocked in the finals the way that Harden did in the 2012 finals. A 21 year old Kobe was handling his business and hitting game winning shots in the finals when Shaq fouled out. Harden would have been pissing his pants the way he did in the 2012 finals when he abandoned his teammates and hid his head in the sand like an ostrich.

JWorthy42
10-17-2013, 04:47 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Only way you can react to that.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 04:48 AM
Kobe > Harden last season... Accept it.

Kobe also never chocked in the finals the way that Harden did in the 2012 finals. A 21 year old Kobe was handling his business and hitting game winning shots in the finals when Shaq fouled out. Harden would have been pissing his pants the way he did in the 2012 finals when he abandoned his teammates and hid his head in the sand like an ostrich.

I just learned something today. Kobe today, at 35 is better than Harden at 25 because of what Kobe did 14 years ago.

It takes a special kind of dumb to reason that.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 04:49 AM
Please don't insult Kobe by comparing him to a scrub like Harden ever again. Lets first see harden win a title with multiple sprained fingers and having his knee drained four times. Kobe is on a level of manhood that Harden can only hope to attain. Not saying that one day he won't get there or that he is not capable. Just don't make the foolish mistake of mentioning an untested rising star to a proven winner and top ten player of all time... It's just stupid.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 04:54 AM
Please don't insult Kobe by comparing him to a scrub like Harden ever again. Lets first see harden win a title with multiple sprained fingers and having his knee drained four times. Kobe is on a level of manhood that Harden can only hope to attain. Not saying that one day he won't get there or that he is not capable. Just don't make the foolish mistake of mentioning an untested rising star to a proven winner and top ten player of all time... It's just stupid.

It's like you wake up in the morning and decide, what is the dumbest thing I can possibly say to defend Kobe. And then the very next morning you try to top it. It's just an endless cycle of dumb.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 04:55 AM
I just learned something today. Kobe today, at 35 is better than Harden at 25 because of what Kobe did 14 years ago.

It takes a special kind of dumb to reason that.

Harden could have never lead that Laker team to the playoffs after being 8 games under .500. What Kobe did last season was nothing short of a miracle. Harden is just not on that level yet. Nothing wrong with that and he is a fine young player... Just not on the level of even a 34 year old Kobe Bryant quite yet. You had the age wrong btw. Kobe was 34 last season, not 35.

Even at age 24, Harden never led a team to a comeback like this. Kobe at age 34 spurred a comeback for the ages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjrgG9MSto

amos1er
10-17-2013, 04:58 AM
It's like you wake up in the morning and decide, what is the dumbest thing I can possibly say to defend Kobe. And then the very next morning you try to top it. It's just an endless cycle of dumb.

Your rebuttals are nothing more than mere endless cycles of ad hominem nonsense... You don't even bother to defend your stance because you know just how wrong and out of line you are. Take your childish name calling back to the third grade and leave the real debating for the big boys.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 04:59 AM
I think you showed proof that Kobe was better than Harden last year and that proof was the Lakers barely beating a bad team. Good job.


I feel like I will stoop to your level today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqI36cJn328

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaahcDNJNuo

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:05 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Only way you can react to that.

Laughing smileys = I can muster no good rebuttal and I only type this to pretend like I am above this when in reality I have nothing smart to add to the discussion.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:09 AM
I think you showed proof that Kobe was better than Harden last year and that proof was the Lakers barely beating a bad team. Good job.


I feel like I will stoop to your level today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqI36cJn328

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaahcDNJNuo

Harden is a joke. He shot 43% from the field and had a TS% of .60. How much help from the refs does someone need? When in the history of the NBA did a player have a FG% of .43 and even get enough FT attempts to raise it up to a TS% of .60? That sort of preferential treatment is a joke and anyone with any shred of intelligence can see right through it. The NBA and Stern made it a point to add a **** ton of fuel to Harden's artificially rising star. Watching Harden play last season was like watching an extended version of D-Whistle in the 2006 NBA finals. Dude is king flop and the refs whistles are his main go-to move.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:17 AM
Harden flopping and the refs rewarding him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSyuUQZSFlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy4rtsXNZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX6nY39Kb0s

kblo247
10-17-2013, 05:19 AM
I know the Lakers felt they had a ****** season, but they were still more talented than than the Rockets. Rockets didn't even have a legit power forward. Of course the Lakers won more game. Stop attributing team wins to individual players.

The lakers were injuries riddled and for everything that can be said about Harden, he played poor to close the year. Post break when records were decided ...

He shot 39% for the months of March and April on 17 fga. He averaged 4 turnovers. Yes he averaged 25ppg because he lived at the ft line, but he was very Iverson esque with his efficiency offensively and chucking

In crucial games that decides their seeding
Dal - 5/17 (Dallas was chasing at the time)
GS - 6/16
Ind - 6/24
Den - 2/10
Mem - 7/24
PHX - 5/18 (play well this game and he pretty much places himself in a spot to be seeded above LA/GS)
LAL - 8/25

They went into the break no pace to be the fifth seed, he was below average and inefficient after being dubbed an all star. Conversely the Lakers finished with the second best record in the league in the second half despite them only having count them 7 games where the original expected starters, started together.

Kobe in the month of
March - 26.5ppg, 7asts, 5rebs, and 43% at 38mpg
April - 30.5ppg, 7.5asts, 7rebs, and 44% at 45mpg

By every means, Harden didnt outplay Kobe. He didnt out lead Kobe. He didnt out work Kobe. And he surely didnt close the season out better than Kobe as an individual or from a team perspective. Harden dropped that ball and that's why they fell below Golden State and the Lakers

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:22 AM
The lakers were injuries riddled and for everything that can be said about Harden, he played poor to close the year. Post break when records were decided ...

He shot 39% for the months of March and April on 17 fga. He averaged 4 turnovers.

In crucial games that decides their seeding
Dal - 5/17
GS - 6/16
Ind - 6/24
Den - 2/10
Mem - 7/24
LAL - 8/25

They went into the break no pace to be the fifth seed, he was below average and inefficient after being dubbed an all star. Conversely the Lakers finished with the second best record in the league in the second half despite them only having count them 7 games where the original expected starters, started together.

Kobe in the month of
March - 26.5ppg, 7asts, 5rebs, and 43% at 38mpg
April - 30.5ppg, 7.5asts, 7rebs, and 44% at 45mpg

By every means, Harden didnt outplay Kobe. He didnt out lead Kobe. He didnt out work Kobe. And he surely didnt close the season out better than Kobe as an individual or from a team perspective. Harden dropped that ball and that's why they fell below Golden State and the Lakers

Very nice dude!

Guppy got totally and utterly owned!!!

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 05:24 AM
In response to flopping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHv9CYCGglQ

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 05:25 AM
The lakers were injuries riddled and for everything that can be said about Harden, he played poor to close the year. Post break when records were decided ...

He shot 39% for the months of March and April on 17 fga. He averaged 4 turnovers. Yes he averaged 25ppg because he lived at the ft line, but he was very Iverson esque with his efficiency offensively and chucking

In crucial games that decides their seeding
Dal - 5/17 (Dallas was chasing at the time)
GS - 6/16
Ind - 6/24
Den - 2/10
Mem - 7/24
PHX - 5/18 (play well this game and he pretty much places himself in a spot to be seeded above LA/GS)
LAL - 8/25

They went into the break no pace to be the fifth seed, he was below average and inefficient after being dubbed an all star. Conversely the Lakers finished with the second best record in the league in the second half despite them only having count them 7 games where the original expected starters, started together.

Kobe in the month of
March - 26.5ppg, 7asts, 5rebs, and 43% at 38mpg
April - 30.5ppg, 7.5asts, 7rebs, and 44% at 45mpg

By every means, Harden didnt outplay Kobe. He didnt out lead Kobe. He didnt out work Kobe. And he surely didnt close the season out better than Kobe as an individual or from a team perspective. Harden dropped that ball and that's why they fell below Golden State and the Lakers


Not statistically significant or matters in anyways. When you take a big boy statistics class in high school (maybe you won't because you are dumb) you will realize why this post is just a parade of your ignorance.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 05:26 AM
Harden is a joke. He shot 43% from the field and had a TS% of .60. How much help from the refs does someone need? When in the history of the NBA did a player have a FG% of .43 and even get enough FT attempts to raise it up to a TS% of .60? That sort of preferential treatment is a joke and anyone with any shred of intelligence can see right through it. The NBA and Stern made it a point to add a **** ton of fuel to Harden's artificially rising star. Watching Harden play last season was like watching an extended version of D-Whistle in the 2006 NBA finals. Dude is king flop and the refs whistles are his main go-to move.


I can't actually believe you are complaining about free throws.

Very easy to turn this around. Lakers only made the playoffs this year because the refs were bailing them out and gave them the most historic free throwing shooting month in nba history.

Lakers shot free throws at a rate never seen before, even if you adjust for Dwight. Good job, stupid.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:31 AM
Not statistically significant or matters in anyways. When you take a big boy statistics class in high school (maybe you won't because you are dumb) you will realize why this post is just a parade of your ignorance.

Your rebuttals are a complete joke. They consist of you pretending like you actually know what you are talking about, when in reality you are incapable of refuting the evidence provided to you and can only reply with ad hominem nonsense such as calling people dumb and ignorant when in reality they just completely owned you.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 05:33 AM
Your rebuttals are a complete joke. They consist of you pretending like you actually know what you are talking about, when in reality you are incapable of refuting the evidence provided to you and can only reply with ad hominem nonsense such as calling people dumb and ignorant when in reality they just completely owned you.

****. I am being trolled. I just figured out you don't actually believe what you are saying.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:38 AM
I can't actually believe you are complaining about free throws.

Very easy to turn this around. Lakers only made the playoffs this year because the refs were bailing them out and gave them the most historic free throwing shooting month in nba history.

Lakers shot free throws at a rate never seen before, even if you adjust for Dwight. Good job, stupid.

Yet another sharp rebuttal. :rolleyes:

You should just quit while your still only somewhat behind.

Face it dude, all you have is copy and pasted Hollinger stats and elementary school insults. Just give it up already. Kobe at age 21 was doing things a 24 year old Harden would only dream. And yes that is relevant because even at age 34, Kobe was not a choke artist like harden... He is still capable of getting the job done... The jury is still out on Harden.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:39 AM
****. I am being trolled. I just figured out you don't actually believe what you are saying.

Yup, you got me all figured out Sherlock.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:44 AM
I will never respect anyone who resorts to flopping the way Harden does. Once he proves he can get the job done in crunch time with all the marbles on the line I will give him his due. Until then, anyone who says any different is nothing but a blind fanboy in denial in my eyes.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 05:51 AM
In response to flopping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHv9CYCGglQ

What a horrible comparison. Has nothing on Harden. Besides, lets see what Harden can do at age 34. Bet you won't find any tape of a young 24 year old Kobe Bryant flopping even 1/10 on the level of a James Harden. Honestly, Harden is like the second coming of Manu Ginobili... Only Manu knew how to get the jobe done when it counted most. The only thing Harden has shown is that he can be a regular season dynamo with a **** ton of help from the refs. Even as third man down in the NBA finals he still couldn't carry his load. As the main guy, he couldn't lead his team to a respectable seed even when he had a huge advantage at the mid way point of the season. He just simply hasn't shown enough to warrant a top ranking in the NBA. Not to say that he won't, but he just hasn't proven anything all that noteworthy yet.

SteBO
10-17-2013, 07:40 AM
A lot of you have reacted a lot calmer to this than I thought you would. I know this is ESPN we're talking about, but they've outdone themselves this time......Kobe is easily top 10.

4milesperday
10-17-2013, 08:48 AM
A lot of you have reacted a lot calmer to this than I thought you would. I know this is ESPN we're talking about, but they've outdone themselves this time......Kobe is easily top 10.

I find it weird how Wade and Kobe get to be judged on injuries (not stats) but Rose, Westbrook somehow never get the same treatment. And then they judge Harden on age, not stat. it's all B.S if you ask me...Every Heat fan will tell you that a 50yr old Kobe is still better than Chris Bosh.

PurpleLynch
10-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Espn.go.com is just useful to get stats. The rest is BS.

Minimal
10-17-2013, 10:22 AM
I find it weird how Wade and Kobe get to be judged on injuries (not stats) but Rose, Westbrook somehow never get the same treatment. And then they judge Harden on age, not stat. it's all B.S if you ask me...Every Heat fan will tell you that a 50yr old Kobe is still better than Chris Bosh.
You are going too far on this one.
In some way I think ESPN put Kobe at 25 on purpose, so they could create more noise about them and get all kind of reactions and make a profit out of it. Its just unexplainable how you can put him at 25 logically thinking.

showtym24
10-17-2013, 10:45 AM
Kobe: 46 FG%, 57 TS%


Harde: 43 FG%, 60 TS%






They're pretty close efficiency wise.

Lets wait and see harden 17th season numbers. Lol doubt he even has one.

beliges
10-17-2013, 12:18 PM
Espn.go.com is just useful to get stats. The rest is BS.

ESPN is a business. Kobe is the most polarizing superstar in the league. This creates controversy. Controversy like this is spectacular for the bottom line of a business. Its as simple as that.

nycericanguy
10-17-2013, 12:30 PM
What a horrible comparison. Has nothing on Harden. Besides, lets see what Harden can do at age 34. Bet you won't find any tape of a young 24 year old Kobe Bryant flopping even 1/10 on the level of a James Harden. Honestly, Harden is like the second coming of Manu Ginobili... Only Manu knew how to get the jobe done when it counted most. The only thing Harden has shown is that he can be a regular season dynamo with a **** ton of help from the refs. Even as third man down in the NBA finals he still couldn't carry his load. As the main guy, he couldn't lead his team to a respectable seed even when he had a huge advantage at the mid way point of the season. He just simply hasn't shown enough to warrant a top ranking in the NBA. Not to say that he won't, but he just hasn't proven anything all that noteworthy yet.

I agree, people put too much emphasis on TS%, not saying it shouldn't be used, but realize what it really means.

For instance, Melo shot a higher overall % than Harden, a better % from 3 while making the same amount per game in LESS minutes. He did this while scoring more overall in LESS minutes. Yet because Harden got 2 or so more FT's per game he's super efficient, while Melo is inefficient? That's the logic on PSD.

No superstar should shoot 43% from the field, I don't care how many FT's you get. That's just a very low %.

Secondly, when you watch a guy like Melo play, or someone like Zbo as well, guys that are big and don't jump all that high and play below the rim a lot. You'll see Melo go up 2 or 3 times for a shot on a single play. I've seen many games where Melo is like 8-16 from the field, he's Kevin Durant at this point right? then he follows his own miss 3-4 times. The result? Now he's 9-20 and "inefficient" according to the advanced stat guru's.

That's something that I've seen happen to Melo more so than any other player I've watched, it's just his style.

Harden, I'd like to see him take a team to more than 45 wins and shoot a more respectable % before I start putting him ahead of the all time greats, guys like Wade & Kobe who have also done it at BOTH ends.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-17-2013, 01:18 PM
Please don't insult Kobe by comparing him to a scrub like Harden ever again. Lets first see harden win a title with multiple sprained fingers and having his knee drained four times. Kobe is on a level of manhood that Harden can only hope to attain. Not saying that one day he won't get there or that he is not capable. Just don't make the foolish mistake of mentioning an untested rising star to a proven winner and top ten player of all time... It's just stupid.

Winner.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-17-2013, 01:27 PM
Harden could have never lead that Laker team to the playoffs after being 8 games under .500. What Kobe did last season was nothing short of a miracle. Harden is just not on that level yet. Nothing wrong with that and he is a fine young player... Just not on the level of even a 34 year old Kobe Bryant quite yet. You had the age wrong btw. Kobe was 34 last season, not 35.

Even at age 24, Harden never led a team to a comeback like this. Kobe at age 34 spurred a comeback for the ages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjrgG9MSto


Your rebuttals are nothing more than mere endless cycles of ad hominem nonsense... You don't even bother to defend your stance because you know just how wrong and out of line you are. Take your childish name calling back to the third grade and leave the real debating for the big boys.


The lakers were injuries riddled and for everything that can be said about Harden, he played poor to close the year. Post break when records were decided ...

He shot 39% for the months of March and April on 17 fga. He averaged 4 turnovers. Yes he averaged 25ppg because he lived at the ft line, but he was very Iverson esque with his efficiency offensively and chucking

In crucial games that decides their seeding
Dal - 5/17 (Dallas was chasing at the time)
GS - 6/16
Ind - 6/24
Den - 2/10
Mem - 7/24
PHX - 5/18 (play well this game and he pretty much places himself in a spot to be seeded above LA/GS)
LAL - 8/25

They went into the break no pace to be the fifth seed, he was below average and inefficient after being dubbed an all star. Conversely the Lakers finished with the second best record in the league in the second half despite them only having count them 7 games where the original expected starters, started together.

Kobe in the month of
March - 26.5ppg, 7asts, 5rebs, and 43% at 38mpg
April - 30.5ppg, 7.5asts, 7rebs, and 44% at 45mpg

By every means, Harden didnt outplay Kobe. He didnt out lead Kobe. He didnt out work Kobe. And he surely didnt close the season out better than Kobe as an individual or from a team perspective. Harden dropped that ball and that's why they fell below Golden State and the Lakers


What a horrible comparison. Has nothing on Harden. Besides, lets see what Harden can do at age 34. Bet you won't find any tape of a young 24 year old Kobe Bryant flopping even 1/10 on the level of a James Harden. Honestly, Harden is like the second coming of Manu Ginobili... Only Manu knew how to get the jobe done when it counted most. The only thing Harden has shown is that he can be a regular season dynamo with a **** ton of help from the refs. Even as third man down in the NBA finals he still couldn't carry his load. As the main guy, he couldn't lead his team to a respectable seed even when he had a huge advantage at the mid way point of the season. He just simply hasn't shown enough to warrant a top ranking in the NBA. Not to say that he won't, but he just hasn't proven anything all that noteworthy yet.

Guppy got spanked in this thread.

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 04:04 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

jerellh528
10-17-2013, 05:56 PM
^ typical response by that guy lol. Got owned by amoser1

Guppyfighter
10-17-2013, 06:07 PM
This thread gives me all kinds of warm feelings.

amos1er
10-17-2013, 06:30 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ah laughing smileys... The last refuge of a scoundrel.

D-Leethal
10-17-2013, 06:45 PM
During Knicks broadcasts Clyde Frazier will constantly talk about how the mid range game in todays NBA is a lost art, where its a 3 ball and drive league.

The stat heads say "well thats the most efficient way to play", and thats true, but its very much a product of todays league, and many players would shy away from playing that style exlusively and they would be forced to learn a mid range game or they would leave missing some limbs. Players don't utilize the mid range not because analytics are making headway (if it was 1980 and officiated this way, they would play this way too) but because its completely and utterly obvious thats the easiest way to get buckets and the defense is not allowed to dissuade you from doing so. If you can drive the lane bump your shoulder jump 3 feet to the side flail your arms and get 2 freebies why would you try to actually put the moves on your man and score the basketball?

You guys really think top notch NBA minds over the past 50 years needed computers to tell them the most efficient way to play basketball? Your giving yourselves way too much credit...they play that way because the league has set the table for them to play that way.

Harden is a stud, but he's a major product of the way the game is called today. I don't care how many FTs were called in the paint back in the day, for all intents and purposes they might have gotten more fouls called, but the fouls were real fouls, and the fouls today are complete sissball fouls. The fouls of yesteryear would make players think five times before driving the lane. The fouls of today aren't even touch fouls, they are shoulder bump fouls. The hard/clean fouls of yesteryear get you ejected without a warning and probably suspended today.

You gonna tell me James Harden is playing whistleball to get to the FT line 10x a game after a few of these (not even deemed a flagrant).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

Guys like Harden and Parker wouldn't have any teeth left by the ASG. Refs don't allow the defense to send a message while rewarding the offense for any contact whatsoever, even if its initiated by them.

To me, hard fouls should be accepted in basketball the same way pitchers can get away with pegging a batter in baseball. I love basketballl more than any other sport by a landslide, but theres a reason a lot of dudes who love hockey and football can't stand the sissiness of NBA basketball. James Harden personifies what those guys are talking about when they say that. NBA needs to man up, and to me, the need to sissify the game is racially motivated by the suits up top, but thats something I will not even go near on this forum.

zn23
10-17-2013, 06:51 PM
A lot of you have reacted a lot calmer to this than I thought you would. I know this is ESPN we're talking about, but they've outdone themselves this time......Kobe is easily top 10.

It's not that easy...

DR_1
10-17-2013, 07:04 PM
Espn is doing this for press.

I mean really, predicting the Knicks are a 37 win team and then a day later saying there's 24 players who are better than KB24 when there were only a handful better last year and they didnt bother worrying about injuries at all for Rosť and Bynum.

Its an easy way to get people talking and start fake banter for ratings. Disrespect Kobe, the Lakers, Los Angeles, New York, Carmelo, and the Knicks in 48 hours. Its cheap but effective to draw interest

Knicks a 37 win team? :laugh: Who in the East is going to beat them? The Knicks are AT LEAST a 45 win team. How in the world does this bull crap sports company still have any credibility whatsoever?!?!?

Guppyfighter
10-18-2013, 12:21 AM
During Knicks broadcasts Clyde Frazier will constantly talk about how the mid range game in todays NBA is a lost art, where its a 3 ball and drive league.

The stat heads say "well thats the most efficient way to play", and thats true, but its very much a product of todays league, and many players would shy away from playing that style exlusively and they would be forced to learn a mid range game or they would leave missing some limbs. Players don't utilize the mid range not because analytics are making headway (if it was 1980 and officiated this way, they would play this way too) but because its completely and utterly obvious thats the easiest way to get buckets and the defense is not allowed to dissuade you from doing so. If you can drive the lane bump your shoulder jump 3 feet to the side flail your arms and get 2 freebies why would you try to actually put the moves on your man and score the basketball?

You guys really think top notch NBA minds over the past 50 years needed computers to tell them the most efficient way to play basketball? Your giving yourselves way too much credit...they play that way because the league has set the table for them to play that way.

Harden is a stud, but he's a major product of the way the game is called today. I don't care how many FTs were called in the paint back in the day, for all intents and purposes they might have gotten more fouls called, but the fouls were real fouls, and the fouls today are complete sissball fouls. The fouls of yesteryear would make players think five times before driving the lane. The fouls of today aren't even touch fouls, they are shoulder bump fouls. The hard/clean fouls of yesteryear get you ejected without a warning and probably suspended today.

You gonna tell me James Harden is playing whistleball to get to the FT line 10x a game after a few of these (not even deemed a flagrant).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

Guys like Harden and Parker wouldn't have any teeth left by the ASG. Refs don't allow the defense to send a message while rewarding the offense for any contact whatsoever, even if its initiated by them.

To me, hard fouls should be accepted in basketball the same way pitchers can get away with pegging a batter in baseball. I love basketballl more than any other sport by a landslide, but theres a reason a lot of dudes who love hockey and football can't stand the sissiness of NBA basketball. James Harden personifies what those guys are talking about when they say that. NBA needs to man up, and to me, the need to sissify the game is racially motivated by the suits up top, but thats something I will not even go near on this forum.

How long did it take you to master the ability of **** throwing, and in particular, against a wall?

ewing
10-18-2013, 02:31 AM
How long did it take you to master the ability of **** throwing, and in particular, against a wall?


what is your sports background?

amos1er
10-18-2013, 05:08 AM
what is your sports background?

He's from the LFBA... The Lebron Fan Boy Association.

Guppyfighter
10-18-2013, 05:21 AM
He's from the LFBA... The Lebron Fan Boy Association.

Except I don't like Lebron at all. I think he is annoying.

But, pot meet kettle. Yada Yada

D-Leethal
10-18-2013, 10:41 AM
what is your sports background?

STATS 50: Mathematics of Sports at his local community college.

bholly
10-18-2013, 10:58 AM
I don't want to wade into it and reread every dumb thing people have written, but +1 for most of what Guppy has been saying and 'boooo' to all the ridiculous arguments being thrown at him, and then the abuse he's getting when disagreeing.

D-Leethal
10-18-2013, 11:00 AM
I don't want to wade into it and reread every dumb thing people have written, but +1 for most of what Guppy has been saying and 'boooo' to all the ridiculous arguments being thrown at him, and then the abuse he's getting when disagreeing.

:hi5:

Jamiecballer
10-18-2013, 11:24 AM
Rose was ranked 5 last year and Bynum 13 while injured. It screams trolling for hits to me

if i'm not mistaken ESPN already acknowledged that this is the first year when the rankings reflect expectations for the coming season and not standing at the end of the last season.

Chronz
10-18-2013, 11:26 AM
They callin out your manhood gups

b@llhog24
10-18-2013, 02:23 PM
I agree, people put too much emphasis on TS%, not saying it shouldn't be used, but realize what it really means.

For instance, Melo shot a higher overall % than Harden, a better % from 3 while making the same amount per game in LESS minutes. He did this while scoring more overall in LESS minutes. Yet because Harden got 2 or so more FT's per game he's super efficient, while Melo is inefficient? That's the logic on PSD.

No superstar should shoot 43% from the field, I don't care how many FT's you get. That's just a very low %.

Secondly, when you watch a guy like Melo play, or someone like Zbo as well, guys that are big and don't jump all that high and play below the rim a lot. You'll see Melo go up 2 or 3 times for a shot on a single play. I've seen many games where Melo is like 8-16 from the field, he's Kevin Durant at this point right? then he follows his own miss 3-4 times. The result? Now he's 9-20 and "inefficient" according to the advanced stat guru's.

That's something that I've seen happen to Melo more so than any other player I've watched, it's just his style.

Harden, I'd like to see him take a team to more than 45 wins and shoot a more respectable % before I start putting him ahead of the all time greats, guys like Wade & Kobe who have also done it at BOTH ends.

Never seen so much ignorant statements in one place.

DR_1
10-18-2013, 02:29 PM
He's from the LFBA... The Lebron Fan Boy Association.

:laugh2:

bholly
10-18-2013, 02:34 PM
Secondly, when you watch a guy like Melo play, or someone like Zbo as well, guys that are big and don't jump all that high and play below the rim a lot. You'll see Melo go up 2 or 3 times for a shot on a single play. I've seen many games where Melo is like 8-16 from the field, he's Kevin Durant at this point right? then he follows his own miss 3-4 times. The result? Now he's 9-20 and "inefficient" according to the advanced stat guru's.

So you're arguing that Melo's scoring efficiency numbers are deflated but his rebounding numbers are inflated?

b@llhog24
10-18-2013, 02:44 PM
So you're arguing that Melo's scoring efficiency numbers are deflated but his rebounding numbers are inflated?

Never mind for the fact that it has a net effect on his overall efficiency.

nycericanguy
10-18-2013, 03:20 PM
So you're arguing that Melo's scoring efficiency numbers are deflated but his rebounding numbers are inflated?

pretty much. Same with Zbo when I saw him play everyday in NY. Those guys get a ton of extra rebounds, but it hurts their scoring efficiency.

nycericanguy
10-18-2013, 03:20 PM
Never mind for the fact that it has a net effect on his overall efficiency.

talking about TS% here bud.

Guppyfighter
10-18-2013, 04:57 PM
They callin out your manhood gups

I know brahsky

b@llhog24
10-19-2013, 10:19 AM
talking about TS% here bud.

You think people care more about TS more than Harden's overall efficiency?

JeremiahWing
10-19-2013, 10:27 AM
Dwight Howard ranked above Kobe Bryant is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

Guppyfighter
10-19-2013, 10:51 AM
Dwight Howard ranked above Kobe Bryant is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

Well, since these are based on next season it actually makes a ton of sense.

3RDASYSTEM
10-19-2013, 11:06 AM
Oh ****.... I saw this about 15 minutes ago, and my first reaction was "PSD's going to go *******." I didn't want to be the one to create the thread and begin WWIII.

Seriously though, even as somebody who is constantly on the other side of Kobe arguments, I think 25 is far too low. He's coming off one of the best seasons he's had in years and even with the Achilles injury, there's no reason to believe he won't still be one of the league's most dangerous scorers this season.

Yeah homie only in LA can a backup player turn starter start wwiii

had he played in any other run of the mill market like JAZZ or NUGGS or HORNETS he would be ranked 25th pretty much every year

dude was a 6th man turned starter so I don't see how that can turn into wwiii

oh wait I mentioned he plays in la market where they take other franchises rings(minny) and overhype backup players

I can only imagine had JONES won 5 rings in la market, he would be top 15-20 greatest all time and it wouldn't even be remotely close

wherever JETER is ranked in MLB alltime is where bean ranks in the NBA in my book

L8kers4life
10-19-2013, 12:04 PM
Yeah homie only in LA can a backup player turn starter start wwiii

had he played in any other run of the mill market like JAZZ or NUGGS or HORNETS he would be ranked 25th pretty much every year

dude was a 6th man turned starter so I don't see how that can turn into wwiii

oh wait I mentioned he plays in la market where they take other franchises rings(minny) and overhype backup players

I can only imagine had JONES won 5 rings in la market, he would be top 15-20 greatest all time and it wouldn't even be remotely close

wherever JETER is ranked in MLB alltime is where bean ranks in the NBA in my book

That s is the stupidest thing I ever read, kobe cMe off the bench his rookie year. How bout harden Im pretty sure he came off the bench for 3 to 4 years

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 12:52 PM
Yeah homie only in LA can a backup player turn starter start wwiii

had he played in any other run of the mill market like JAZZ or NUGGS or HORNETS he would be ranked 25th pretty much every year

dude was a 6th man turned starter so I don't see how that can turn into wwiii

oh wait I mentioned he plays in la market where they take other franchises rings(minny) and overhype backup players

I can only imagine had JONES won 5 rings in la market, he would be top 15-20 greatest all time and it wouldn't even be remotely close

wherever JETER is ranked in MLB alltime is where bean ranks in the NBA in my book

Kobe was 17 when he came off the bench:facepalm:
Your post are up there with some of the worst.

ManRam
10-19-2013, 12:53 PM
Some Kobe fans clearly just take after Kobe.

Kobe's clearly saddened by this news, and his passive aggressiveness now is on full display via twitter. Amazing competitor, but sometimes he just seems like a 7 year-old. The dude is the opposite of teflon.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 12:57 PM
Dwight Howard ranked above Kobe Bryant is the biggest joke I've ever seen.It really is.


Some Kobe fans clearly just take after Kobe.

Kobe's clearly saddened by this news, and his passive aggressiveness now is on full display via twitter. Amazing competitor, but sometimes he just seems like a 7 year-old. The dude is the opposite of teflon.

What did he say? I'm sure alot of nba players like to do the same thing.

Matter.
10-19-2013, 01:23 PM
1225.

Federal Reserve
10-19-2013, 01:25 PM
People who take these rankings seriously are idiots. The virgins at ESPN rank players from big cities worse than they should to draw interest from the fans. That's why Melo and Kobe were ranked so high (or low, depending on how you want to look at it). It's a typical marketing technique. ESPN is built to cater to the dumb people in America.

D-Leethal
10-19-2013, 01:55 PM
Some Kobe fans clearly just take after Kobe.

Kobe's clearly saddened by this news, and his passive aggressiveness now is on full display via twitter. Amazing competitor, but sometimes he just seems like a 7 year-old. The dude is the opposite of teflon.

You don't think MJ does the same thing if he was playing in the age of twitter? How does changing his twitter avatar make him come off as a 7 year old?

I also find it ironic coming from a LeBron nuthugger (not to mention a Dwight apologist), because LeBron publicly cries every time MJ opens his mouth about him and most recently publicly cried about the NBA players poll that wouldn't pick him for the last shot.

Jamiecballer
10-19-2013, 02:00 PM
People who take these rankings seriously are idiots. The virgins at ESPN rank players from big cities worse than they should to draw interest from the fans. That's why Melo and Kobe were ranked so high. It's a typical marketing technique. ESPN is built to cater to the dumb people in America.
:laugh:

PurpleLynch
10-19-2013, 03:30 PM
Well, since these are based on next season it actually makes a ton of sense.

Why? Because do you expect Howard to be that good? Jeremiah is right,this Espn's BS is bogus.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 03:44 PM
You don't think MJ does the same thing if he was playing in the age of twitter? How does changing his twitter avatar make him come off as a 7 year old?

I also find it ironic coming from a LeBron nuthugger (not to mention a Dwight apologist), because LeBron publicly cries every time MJ opens his mouth about him and most recently publicly cried about the NBA players poll that wouldn't pick him for the last shot.

Zing!

Guppyfighter
10-19-2013, 05:57 PM
Why? Because do you expect Howard to be that good? Jeremiah is right,this Espn's BS is bogus.

No, because Kobe is coming off a major injury that has made 14 of 17 players significantly worse.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-19-2013, 07:59 PM
No, because Kobe is coming off a major injury that has made 14 of 17 players significantly worse.

Except 17/17 of those players arn't Kobe.

Guppyfighter
10-19-2013, 08:09 PM
Except 17/17 of those players arn't Kobe.

Father time never loses.

bearadonisdna
10-19-2013, 10:39 PM
wow, a really circumstantial what have done for me lately ranking.

ohiobeasts10
10-19-2013, 10:44 PM
well i dont blame them for putting him on 25th he doesnt pass we will have to see if he improves on passing, sorry kobe likers:(

kblo247
10-19-2013, 11:27 PM
Father time never loses.

Kobe's then than mf with a couple haymakers as he's been written off multiple years. We shall see

beliges
10-20-2013, 04:27 AM
Except 17/17 of those players arn't Kobe.

Father time never loses.

Father time has never had to work harder.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 05:08 AM
Father time has never had to work harder.

Seems to be working fine. He's needed surgery that is banned in some places. Then his Achilles tore. Seems to not be failing at all.

amos1er
10-20-2013, 05:11 AM
well i dont blame them for putting him on 25th he doesnt pass we will have to see if he improves on passing, sorry kobe likers:(

Lol. I doubt the reason they listed him as 25 had anything to do with passing. :facepalm: Could it be the torn Achilles he suffered at the end of last season. :rolleyes: Oh and btw, Kobe hardly doesn't pass. In fact, he led his team in passing for all 5 of his championships. How's that for passing. Who's dupe are you?

amos1er
10-20-2013, 05:13 AM
Seems to be working fine. He's needed surgery that is banned in some places. Then his Achilles tore. Seems to not be failing at all.

What you are saying makes no sense. He is using state of the art medical techniques in combination with his legendary work ethic to battle father time. The end more than justifies the means.

PurpleLynch
10-20-2013, 08:31 AM
Seems to be working fine. He's needed surgery that is banned in some places. Then his Achilles tore. Seems to not be failing at all.

Man,the Regenokine was used also on Pope John Paul II. I don't know why it's still not approved in the US,even if there are a lot of european studies that say it's safe,but don't make it look like it's a sort of magical(=doping) treatment. Yeah,they mix your blood with some substances to make the recover better,but it doesn't increase your abilities. Maybe the Us should reconsider this part of the doping thing. It's like saying you can't use aspirins to heal your flu,just because it makes you better in less time.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 12:57 PM
Man,the Regenokine was used also on Pope John Paul II. I don't know why it's still not approved in the US,even if there are a lot of european studies that say it's safe,but don't make it look like it's a sort of magical(=doping) treatment. Yeah,they mix your blood with some substances to make the recover better,but it doesn't increase your abilities. Maybe the Us should reconsider this part of the doping thing. It's like saying you can't use aspirins to heal your flu,just because it makes you better in less time.

I totally agree with this. I wasn't trying to take a shot at Kobe. I'd do that too.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 12:57 PM
What you are saying makes no sense. He is using state of the art medical techniques in combination with his legendary work ethic to battle father time. The end more than justifies the means.

How many more people are going to die, Amoser?

beliges
10-20-2013, 01:45 PM
Father time has never had to work harder.

Seems to be working fine. He's needed surgery that is banned in some places. Then his Achilles tore. Seems to not be failing at all.

People said the same thing last season and kobe was a top 5 player in his 17th season. Never ever been done before. People said he'd miss half this coning season and others even hinted he'd never play again but it seems kobe will be ready to go by opening night. Not sure what your definition of "work" is but father time has failed to put kobe away thus far.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 02:09 PM
People said the same thing last season and kobe was a top 5 player in his 17th season. Never ever been done before. People said he'd miss half this coning season and others even hinted he'd never play again but it seems kobe will be ready to go by opening night. Not sure what your definition of "work" is but father time has failed to put kobe away thus far.

If you have a very loose definition of top five which includes more than five people.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-20-2013, 03:08 PM
He's from the LFBA... The Lebron Fan Boy Association.


Except I don't like Lebron at all. I think he is annoying.

But, pot meet kettle. Yada Yada:laugh2: why do Lebron fans always want to stay closet Lebron fans?

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 03:23 PM
:laugh2: why do Lebron fans always want to stay closet Lebron fans?

Why don't you ask Heat fans who are convinced "I just hate the Heat."

PurpleLynch
10-20-2013, 05:46 PM
I totally agree with this. I wasn't trying to take a shot at Kobe. I'd do that too.

Sorry for the misunderstanding,it's that there are too many people bashing Kobe without a reason or with silly reasons like this recent and good treatment.

beliges
10-20-2013, 07:11 PM
People said the same thing last season and kobe was a top 5 player in his 17th season. Never ever been done before. People said he'd miss half this coning season and others even hinted he'd never play again but it seems kobe will be ready to go by opening night.

If you have a very loose definition of top five which includes more than five people.

No, top 5 is top 5. Kobe was easily top 5 last season. To be more exact id say he was probably top 3 last season.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2013, 07:31 PM
No, top 5 is top 5. Kobe was easily top 5 last season. To be more exact id say he was probably top 3 last season.

No, he wasn't. He was top ten last season, but not top five. And last season doesn't affect this seasons ranking.

Tony_Starks
10-20-2013, 11:02 PM
So disrespectful but I'm glad they did it. First they're 12th in the west and now this. Kobe is going to put in work!

kblo247
10-21-2013, 06:20 AM
1225

monty77
10-21-2013, 10:03 AM
It could be some reason to explain this, but I don't find anything. Unless the ESPN writers know something about Kobe that anybody does. Maybe this ranking is based on the expected performance of these players next year, and taking into account that Kobe is still injured... I really don't know.

Even so, it's unlikely that Noah, Horford, Hibbert, Griffin, Bosh and even Wade realize a better season than Kobe, unless he doesn't recover good enough from his injury. He will be the first attack option in a poor Lakers when he comes back and I no wonder if he averages around 25 ppg.

I also think that Melo and Paul George is underrated in this ranking, and Griffin and Hibbert too much high, because none of them have proved he is able to lead a team (they have been behind Paul and George/Granger so far).

This ranking would be logical if next year Kobe move up some spots, since it would prove that they grade him so bad because of his injury and not because of the last year performance or his age. Kobe don't attack the rim as much as before, but he has found other ways to be as effective as years before.

If he returns to his previous last year level, he must remain in the top 10-15 position troughtout next 2-3 years, because he is able to do the same that Duncan did last year, and even improve his level at time points of the season.

krrys11
10-21-2013, 10:03 AM
1225

+1

This is a motivation.

bholly
10-21-2013, 10:43 AM
It could be some reason to explain this, but I don't find anything. Unless the ESPN writers know something about Kobe that anybody does. Maybe this ranking is based on the expected performance of these players next year, and taking into account that Kobe is still injured... I really don't

There's no maybe. Right at the top of every rankings page it says this:

"This year, we asked our ESPN Forecast panel to predict the overall level of play for each player for the upcoming NBA season. This includes both the quality and the quantity of his expected contributions, combined in one overall rating."

And when they asked 5 of the voters what their rationale was, they made it abundantly clear that it was about the injury (link (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-131016-kobe/kobe-bryant-)).
On top of that, when they ranked him in April - 4 days before the injury - they put him at 4th.

Him being #25 is absolutely and unequivocally because of the injury rather than his quality, but people love pretending they're being 'hated on' so they just want to see '#25' and get incensed anyway.

Tony_Starks
10-21-2013, 12:05 PM
There's no maybe. Right at the top of every rankings page it says this:

"This year, we asked our ESPN Forecast panel to predict the overall level of play for each player for the upcoming NBA season. This includes both the quality and the quantity of his expected contributions, combined in one overall rating."

And when they asked 5 of the voters what their rationale was, they made it abundantly clear that it was about the injury (link (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-131016-kobe/kobe-bryant-)).
On top of that, when they ranked him in April - 4 days before the injury - they put him at 4th.

Him being #25 is absolutely and unequivocally because of the injury rather than his quality, but people love pretending they're being 'hated on' so they just want to see '#25' and get incensed anyway.

At some point the players propensity to bounce back from injury and continue to be elite should come into play as well. I won't go so far as to say their hating but if you read what they've been saying about the Lakers in general it's obvious they've written them off for the season.

I'll believe it when I see it.