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nolafan33
10-09-2013, 08:50 PM
As of his 24 minutes tonight, Anthony Davis has scored 71 points in just 77 minutes of action so far. He is definitely a superstar in the making. I expected him to develop into a #1 or #2 offensive option, but not this soon.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 09:19 PM
I think his offensive potential is overrated. I see him as a highly efficient 15-18 ppg player for his prime, not a guy to break into the 20's. Basically an elite 2nd option scorer but one of the best defensive anchors in the league. Perennial all star, not quite superstar. Part of the reason he won't be a guy scoring in the 20's is because your team is now loaded with perimeter scorers who are ball dominant.

How many shots do you expect him to get when playing with Gordon, Holiday, Evans?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2013, 09:36 PM
18/9 defensive monster is his peak to me.

nolafan33
10-09-2013, 09:46 PM
No offense, but have either of yall watched him play at all? Most expect him to break 16-18 ppg this season alone. Some even expect him to lead the team in scoring. He'll be AT LEAST a 20 ppg in his prime, and that's being generous.

I mean per 36 last season he averaged 17 ppg. And he's already taken huge strides offensively.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 10:05 PM
No offense, but have either of yall watched him play at all? Most expect him to break 16-18 ppg this season alone. Some even expect him to lead the team in scoring. He'll be AT LEAST a 20 ppg in his prime, and that's being generous.

I mean per 36 last season he averaged 17 ppg. And he's already taken huge strides offensively.

Do you understand how PER 36 works? I remember when healthy last year Eric Bledsoe was averaging 21 ppg PER 36. Yet I would never say he will easily surpass 21 ppg with a huge minutes/role increase. It's easier to put up good PER 36 numbers in reduced minutes because you can go all out the entire time you play.

When you adjust for fatigue and more defenses game planning for him... 16-17 ppg this season is pretty fair and no AT LEAST 20 ppg isn't being generous, it's being realistic. Zero bigs in the NBA scored 20 ppg last year.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 10:06 PM
18/9 defensive monster is his peak to me.

Mine is similar. I'd say 18/10/3/2.5/2 or something like that which is super good. As I said that's an elite 2nd offensive option and a defensive anchor.

ChiSox219
10-09-2013, 10:11 PM
There is no question at this point in my mind that Davis will be a superstar


No offense, but have either of yall watched him play at all? Most expect him to break 16-18 ppg this season alone. Some even expect him to lead the team in scoring. He'll be AT LEAST a 20 ppg in his prime, and that's being generous.

I mean per 36 last season he averaged 17 ppg. And he's already taken huge strides offensively.

+1

koreancabbage
10-09-2013, 10:21 PM
he's a 25/10 guy to me. I think he has Chris Bosh potential but with better defense.

Htownballa1622
10-09-2013, 10:26 PM
i feel he could score more than 20ppg in his prime. he really impressed me the other night, granted it was just preseason but still.

koreancabbage
10-09-2013, 10:29 PM
i feel he could score more than 20ppg in his prime. he really impressed me the other night, granted it was just preseason but still.

I definitely feel his potential is greater than Bosh's.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 10:35 PM
There is no question at this point in my mind that Davis will be a superstar



+1

I agree with you 90 percent of the time but why quote his part about us not having watched? Just because we don't think he's a sure fire superstar like you and him? Nevermind that the term "superstar" is subjective. I view a superstar as an undisputed top 10 player, usually top 5.

ClearSoulForce
10-09-2013, 10:40 PM
I agree with you 90 percent of the time but why quote his part about us not having watched? Just because we don't think he's a sure fire superstar like you and him? Nevermind that the term "superstar" is subjective. I view a superstar as an undisputed top 10 player, usually top 5.

So does that mean Blake Griffin isn't a superstar?

Raps18-19 Champ
10-09-2013, 10:43 PM
He played 31 minutes tonight.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 10:45 PM
So does that mean Blake Griffin isn't a superstar?

Yes, Blake isn't a true superstar yet. He's a top 12-15 ish player so he's borderline IMO.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2013, 10:46 PM
No offense, but have either of yall watched him play at all? Most expect him to break 16-18 ppg this season alone. Some even expect him to lead the team in scoring. He'll be AT LEAST a 20 ppg in his prime, and that's being generous.

I mean per 36 last season he averaged 17 ppg. And he's already taken huge strides offensively.

wait, a 18/9 defensive monster is a bad projection?

koreancabbage
10-09-2013, 10:50 PM
Yes, Blake isn't a true superstar yet. He's a top 12-15 ish player so he's borderline IMO.

he is getting there if his continues to rise in his game. he's already got the charisma and everyone wants to see his next in-game dunk.

Heck i'm even going to the Clippers- Heat game on Nov 7 in Miami.

nolafan33
10-09-2013, 10:50 PM
wait, a 18/9 defensive monster is a bad projection?

Was that post referring to his peak this season? If so then I could agree with that, if that's his peak for his career that is selling him awfully short.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 10:51 PM
wait, a 18/9 defensive monster is a bad projection?

Yup it's offensive! These guys seem to really believe Davis is a once in a decade player apparently. Never mind that 18/9/3/3 type players that anchor a defense are extremely rare anyways. It's not like we are saying he will be a scrub.

ChiSox219
10-09-2013, 10:56 PM
I agree with you 90 percent of the time but why quote his part about us not having watched? Just because we don't think he's a sure fire superstar like you and him? Nevermind that the term "superstar" is subjective. I view a superstar as an undisputed top 10 player, usually top 5.

Zach Lowe just wrote an article Grantland in which he references Davis' top 5 potential and I think it's really easy to see that's where Davis' is headed.

Clippersfan86
10-09-2013, 11:03 PM
Zach Lowe just wrote an article Grantland in which he references Davis' top 5 potential and I think it's to really easy to see that's where Davis' is headed.

Okay so a good writer says he has top 5 player potential, what does that mean to me? You can't use a one season sample to say that's where a player is headed. I constantly mention how Blake is just the 2nd player in NBA history outside of Kareem to have the points+rebounds+assists averages he has after his first 3 years... which is a much greater sample and it doesn't change the opinion of anybody else. Blake's start looks like a sure fire HOF player and future top 5 player too.

Davis' defense was actually overrated itself last year. He was a pretty atrocious PNR defender and didn't truly dominate on that end CONSISTENTLY like people said he would. Great rookie season, but not dominant or anything.

koreancabbage
10-09-2013, 11:09 PM
okay so a good writer says he has top 5 player potential, what does that mean to me? You can't use a one season sample to say that's where a player is headed. I constantly mention how blake is just the 2nd player in nba history outside of kareem to have the points+rebounds+assists averages he has after his first 3 years... Which is a much greater sample and it doesn't change the opinion of anybody else. Blake's start looks like a sure fire hof player and future top 5 player too.

Davis' defense was actually overrated itself last year. He was a pretty atrocious pnr defender and didn't truly dominate on that end consistently like people said he would. Great rookie season, but not dominant or anything.

look at his team. we're talking about the Pelicans here

Hawkeye15
10-09-2013, 11:12 PM
Was that post referring to his peak this season? If so then I could agree with that, if that's his peak for his career that is selling him awfully short.

disagree

ChiSox219
10-09-2013, 11:39 PM
Okay so a good writer says he has top 5 player potential, what does that mean to me? You can't use a one season sample to say that's where a player is headed.

What it means is smart people are projecting him to be a superstar and you are not. Why are you talking about sample sizes like I'm even talking about data. Do you understand Davis is indeed a once every 10 years type of athlete you mentioned earlier?



I constantly mention how Blake is just the 2nd player in NBA history outside of Kareem to have the points+rebounds+assists averages he has after his first 3 years... which is a much greater sample and it doesn't change the opinion of anybody else. Blake's start looks like a sure fire HOF player and future top 5 player too.

This is not even relevant though, I'm not saying Davis is going to be great because he put up X PPG, Y RPG, and Z APG. FWIW I think Blake is a superstar or one of the true difference makers how ever you want to phrase it.



Davis' defense was actually overrated itself last year. He was a pretty atrocious PNR defender and didn't truly dominate on that end CONSISTENTLY like people said he would. Great rookie season, but not dominant or anything.

Overrated by who? I've read multiple takes on him and every single one acknowledged he is still learning the ropes defensively. Are you saying Davis was not dominant as 19 year old rookie so therefore he won't be dominant in the near future? Is there really any question that he's going to be a defensive anchor?

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 02:45 AM
What it means is smart people are projecting him to be a superstar and you are not. Why are you talking about sample sizes like I'm even talking about data. Do you understand Davis is indeed a once every 10 years type of athlete you mentioned earlier?



This is not even relevant though, I'm not saying Davis is going to be great because he put up X PPG, Y RPG, and Z APG. FWIW I think Blake is a superstar or one of the true difference makers how ever you want to phrase it.



Overrated by who? I've read multiple takes on him and every single one acknowledged he is still learning the ropes defensively. Are you saying Davis was not dominant as 19 year old rookie so therefore he won't be dominant in the near future? Is there really any question that he's going to be a defensive anchor?

I know you're a reasonable guy and a good poster, so I'm not questioning your reasoning or sources or anything. I'm just saying I don't agree with the hype and your/Lowe assessment. I see him as a perennial all star and franchise player but not quite a superstar, top 5 player. This isn't an insult, it's just my personal opinion and I'm not giving "facts" because there really isn't any. He played limited minutes for such a hyped, supposedly dominant rookie and wasn't featured enough in the offense to show he's going to be the 25 ppg superstar you guys are talking about.

A few great preseason scoring games isn't going to change my mind about that, mainly because of roster composition as I said earlier. Guys like Gordon, Evans, Holiday regularly shoot a bunch and Anderson obviously shoots a fair amount. I don't see a scenario where this guy is getting 15+ shots and 40 minutes any time soon with that system and group of players, which is why I don't see him cracking 20 ppg.

Like Hawkeye said... why is it an insult to say he's a peak 18/9 type player? Likely with 3 blocks per game, 3 assists per game and close to 2 steals? That's actually an incredibly good player and better than I originally had him pegged for. That's pretty much a lock for a top 10 player. If he can sustain those figures for a few years he's in the HOF.

I'm not going to say he's going to be a 25 ppg scorer or something because he hasn't shown me anything yet to make me believe that.

John Walls Era
10-10-2013, 03:03 AM
20/12/2 is what he can become.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 03:20 AM
No wonder he's scoring so much. No Gordon or Evans playing (guys who likely will average the most shots on the team), terrible defenders guarding him all 3 games AND he's getting to the line a ton, about 3 times the rate he did last year. This is not something to get all crazy hyped about. He's going to keep improving and be a star but it's obvious why he's doing so well in preseason so far if you dig deeper than the surface.

meloman1592
10-10-2013, 03:21 AM
Marcus Camby with offense. Perennial all star.....never a superstar

SugeKnight
10-10-2013, 04:25 AM
25 ppg is possible

Heediot
10-10-2013, 08:03 AM
Like Cabbage mentioned I see him as a more efficient offensive Bosh 22-23 PPG, 9 Rebs, 4 Blocks. A defensive beast to boot.

koreancabbage
10-10-2013, 01:19 PM
Like Cabbage mentioned I see him as a more efficient offensive Bosh 22-23 PPG, 9 Rebs, 4 Blocks. A defensive beast to boot.

well i don't know how effective he's going to be but I have him being better than Bosh overall. If Bosh can be a 20-10 guy, I can see Davis being similar or better.

jstone0716
10-10-2013, 01:21 PM
Anthony Davis > Blake Griffin this season

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 01:23 PM
Anthony Davis > Blake Griffin this season

Yup. Blake Griffin will be lucky to make an all star team ever again with the way he's rapidly declining every year.

jstone0716
10-10-2013, 01:30 PM
Yup. Blake Griffin will be lucky to make an all star team ever again with the way he's rapidly declining every year.

Awww would he not sign your butt cheeks? :-(

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 01:31 PM
Was that post referring to his peak this season? If so then I could agree with that, if that's his peak for his career that is selling him awfully short.

after thinking about it more, I figure that is what he is over his prime years. I think he has a couple of years in the 22/12 area with all defensive team honors in his peak. The mere fact that he hits his FT's will help his scoring for a big

D-Leethal
10-10-2013, 02:26 PM
22-10 defensive monster. I see a lot of young KG in his game.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 06:33 PM
He's outperforming KG (the main player he was compared to when he was drafted) at the same stage of his career. I'll say he gets to the 22-24 range.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 06:44 PM
He's outperforming KG (the main player he was compared to when he was drafted) at the same stage of his career. I'll say he gets to the 22-24 range.
+1

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 06:59 PM
KG came directly out of high school. Davis played a year of college in which he won the national championship. It's a bad idea to compare Davis to KG's learning curve.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 07:11 PM
KG came directly out of high school. Davis played a year of college in which he won the national championship. It's a bad idea to compare Davis to KG's learning curve.

I dont think he was comparing them as rookies, more about development given their age. You can spot KG another year of NBA seasoning and the statement would still hold true. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis made another leap this year. I usually dont expect the star leap until Y3 or 4 depending on how old the prospect is, but you cant deny the kid has tantalizing potential.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 07:20 PM
Absolutely. He's a beast. Just saying if KG had a year of high level college games like Davis he would of been more of a beast as a rookie making it a little less comparable.

SugeKnight
10-10-2013, 07:33 PM
He's a reptilian.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 07:34 PM
Absolutely. He's a beast. Just saying if KG had a year of high level college games like Davis he would of been more of a beast as a rookie making it a little less comparable.
Like I said in my opening statement, I dont think hes comparing them as a rookies, more the development at the same age. As I said, you could spot KG another year of NBA seasoning and rookie Davis is still ahead.

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 07:36 PM
I dont think he was comparing them as rookies, more about development given their age. You can spot KG another year of NBA seasoning and the statement would still hold true. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis made another leap this year. I usually dont expect the star leap until Y3 or 4 depending on how old the prospect is, but you cant deny the kid has tantalizing potential.

he does. But I can't believe he exceeds KG career wise, even with that potential. KG lived basketball. I also think Davis may not have the passing/shooting ability KG developed early in his career.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:01 PM
he does. But I can't believe he exceeds KG career wise, even with that potential. KG lived basketball. I also think Davis may not have the passing/shooting ability KG developed early in his career.

I think AD is more gifted from a scoring standpoint though. Not passing overall which it seems as if everyone is neglecting anyways. How was KG's overall game round that time Hawk? (assuming you were a TWolves fan back then).

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 08:06 PM
I think AD is more gifted from a scoring standpoint though. Not passing overall which it seems as if everyone is neglecting anyways. How was KG's overall game round that time Hawk? (assuming you were a TWolves fan back then).

I was 21 in KG's second year, and a rabid Wolves fan.

Here is the difference between the two. Garnett is insane. He lives, breaths, and eats basketball. Not that I question Davis's desire to get better. But I question almost any basketball player in history having more self drive than Kevin Garnett. I think Davis has perennial all star potential, and with times being different (youth being given such a huge chance now, remember it took until late into KG's first season before Flip unleashed him), Davis has the better opportunity at the same age.

But I don't believe he has the internal drive to surpass KG at the end of the day. KG maximized every part of his potential. That is difficult to ask of any athlete.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:09 PM
AD's rookie year:


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2012-13 19 NOH NBA PF 64 60 28.8 5.5 10.6 .516 0.0 0.1 .000 2.6 3.5 .751 2.6 5.6 8.2 1.0 1.2 1.8 1.4 2.5 13.5


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2012-13 19 NOH NBA PF 64 1846 21.7 .559 .516 10.5 23.5 16.8 6.1 2.2 5.1 10.3 21.8 113 104 3.7 2.4 6.1 .159

KG's first three seasons:


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1995-96 19 MIN NBA SF 80 43 28.7 4.5 9.2 .491 0.1 0.4 .286 1.3 1.9 .705 2.2 4.1 6.3 1.8 1.1 1.6 1.4 2.4 10.4
1996-97* 20 MIN NBA SF 77 77 38.9 7.1 14.3 .499 0.1 0.3 .286 2.7 3.5 .754 2.5 5.6 8.0 3.1 1.4 2.1 2.3 2.6 17.0
1997-98* 21 MIN NBA PF 82 82 39.3 7.7 15.8 .491 0.0 0.2 .188 3.0 4.0 .738 2.7 6.9 9.6 4.2 1.7 1.8 2.3 2.7 18.5


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1995-96 19 MIN NBA SF 80 2293 15.8 .522 .497 9.1 17.0 13.1 10.6 1.9 4.4 12.1 17.6 107 107 1.8 2.6 4.4 .092
1996-97* 20 MIN NBA SF 77 2995 18.2 .537 .502 7.6 16.8 12.2 14.1 1.9 4.1 12.5 21.3 107 105 3.4 3.9 7.3 .116
1997-98* 21 MIN NBA PF 82 3222 20.4 .527 .492 7.9 19.7 13.9 18.2 2.2 3.3 11.8 22.5 109 103 5.3 4.2 9.6 .143

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:12 PM
I was 21 in KG's second year, and a rabid Wolves fan.

Here is the difference between the two. Garnett is insane. He lives, breaths, and eats basketball. Not that I question Davis's desire to get better. But I question almost any basketball player in history having more self drive than Kevin Garnett. I think Davis has perennial all star potential, and with times being different (youth being given such a huge chance now, remember it took until late into KG's first season before Flip unleashed him), Davis has the better opportunity at the same age.

But I don't believe he has the internal drive to surpass KG at the end of the day. KG maximized every part of his potential. That is difficult to ask of any athlete.

Obviously I'm not projecting him to be better than KG at this stage. I'm just saying he'll crack 20ppg without breaking a sweat in his prime.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:14 PM
Thought they fixed the coding thing. In any event KG wasn't better than Davis rookie year really until year 3.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 08:25 PM
Davis was more NBA ready than KG who came into a much tougher and more physical league. A year of college at that level makes a HUGE difference. Then you look at the post defenders in the mid-late 90's and it's laughable to compare current ones. Davis in 96 would have gotten eaten alive and put up nowhere near what 3rd or even 2nd year KG did.

Something interesting nobody talks about here is that the Hornets are better on both ends of the floor with Davis not on the court. Also in terms of efficiency his opponents have a field day against him averaging a PER of 21+ and 50+ percent shooting. If anything his defense has been far overrated and his offense underrated.

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 08:39 PM
Obviously I'm not projecting him to be better than KG at this stage. I'm just saying he'll crack 20ppg without breaking a sweat in his prime.

yeah, like I said when I corrected myself, I think he has a peak around 22/12 with being a defensive monster.

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 08:41 PM
Thought they fixed the coding thing. In any event KG wasn't better than Davis rookie year really until year 3.

I alluded to that above, but in the last 10 years, its become the norm to play 19 year olds with potential a ton of minutes with a big role, eyeing franchise player going forward. When KG came in, it wasn't like that. I wonder if his game would have developed quicker had Flip (and the NBA) just said, "go kid".

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 08:41 PM
I can see a 1 or 2 season peak of 22/12 too. I was saying overall... say over a 7 year peak... I think 18/10/3/3 or something is more realistic. Still would be a HOF player.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:42 PM
Davis was more NBA ready than KG who came into a much tougher and more physical league. A year of college at that level makes a HUGE difference. Then you look at the post defenders in the mid-late 90's and it's laughable to compare current ones. Davis in 96 would have gotten eaten alive and put up nowhere near what 3rd or even 2nd year KG did.

Good thing for him is that he plays in this era; so you're basically making the case for him that it'll be easier for him to score 20ppg compared to KG since there are no post defenders right?


Something interesting nobody talks about here is that the Hornets are better on both ends of the floor with Davis not on the court. Also in terms of efficiency his opponents have a field day against him averaging a PER of 21+ and 50+ percent shooting. If anything his defense has been far overrated and his offense underrated.

You're kinda late to the party bro.

I am Smart
10-10-2013, 08:44 PM
He'd be better off on a better team with more less ball hogs.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 08:45 PM
he does. But I can't believe he exceeds KG career wise, even with that potential. KG lived basketball. I also think Davis may not have the passing/shooting ability KG developed early in his career.
Thats true, KG was more well rounded at an earlier age. I dont know if Davis could get away with playing the 3 the way KG could, maybe he can but he would cramp the floor to a higher degree, and Im not sure if his passing ability is up to sniff to make up for it.

What Davis did better this year offensively than young KG is rebound and finish inside the paint. Even at his peak KG was never a dominant o.rebounder/finisher, he spent most of his career playing at a weight lower than what Davis is at right now I think.

b@llhog24
10-10-2013, 08:47 PM
yeah, like I said when I corrected myself, I think he has a peak around 22/12 with being a defensive monster.

Maybe, I just think you're selling him short scoring wise.


I alluded to that above, but in the last 10 years, its become the norm to play 19 year olds with potential a ton of minutes with a big role, eyeing franchise player going forward. When KG came in, it wasn't like that. I wonder if his game would have developed quicker had Flip (and the NBA) just said, "go kid".

Davis didn't play big mins though Hawk. The played around the same amount of mins.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 08:54 PM
Davis was more NBA ready than KG who came into a much tougher and more physical league.
Thats the point, hes outdoing Y1 and Y2 KG statistically.


A year of college at that level makes a HUGE difference.
No it really doesn't. LOL at the caps tho.



Then you look at the post defenders in the mid-late 90's and it's laughable to compare current ones. Davis in 96 would have gotten eaten alive and put up nowhere near what 3rd or even 2nd year KG did.
Not convinced. I do think he has it easier in this era given his quickness but thats somewhat mitigated by the fact that defenses are more complex, so to say he gets eaten alive and puts up numbers nowhere near what hes currently done is an exaggeration rooted in emotion more than analysis.


Something interesting nobody talks about here is that the Hornets are better on both ends of the floor with Davis not on the court.
I've talked about it before, throughout the year and most recently in the best PF thread. The thing is, hes playing ahead of a guy whos arguably his superior (Ryan Anderson) so you would understand why the team fares better in his absence.


Also in terms of efficiency his opponents have a field day against him averaging a PER of 21+ and 50+ percent shooting. If anything his defense has been far overrated and his offense underrated.
Agreed, his positioning in the post needs work. KG wasn't exactly a great post defender in his youth either, luckily he didn't carry anywhere near the defensive responsibilities back then when he was a SF.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 08:55 PM
Good thing for him is that he plays in this era; so you're basically making the case for him that it'll be easier for him to score 20ppg compared to KG since there are no post defenders right?



You're kinda late to the party bro.

Not necessarily for reasons I already explained. I think Davis is absolute CAPABLE of scoring 20 ppg if he wanted to. I explained before that the reason he won't anytime soon is all of the ball dominant guards on the roster who will get most of the shots and the fact that Monty so far hasn't made an effort to run the offense through him as the 1st option. I can't think of many 2nd options, especially bigmen who score 20+. He would need to become the first option, taking the most shots.

It's not a lack of skillset, it's circumstances and the system he's playing in. Comon this is the NBA... pretty much any all star can score 20+ every night if they want to and if the system allows it.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 08:59 PM
Chronz I didn't see your post about Anderson or the Hornets being better with Davis off the floor, don't think I went in that thread. I'm really anxious for the season to start so players can either break out or be exposed and we can see what they are made of. Although I always say players deserve 4-5 years before we judge them. I'm not going to hold it against Davis if he doesn't blow up this year at all, more wanting an answer because of all the talk about him.

Hawkeye15
10-10-2013, 09:05 PM
Thats true, KG was more well rounded at an earlier age. I dont know if Davis could get away with playing the 3 the way KG could, maybe he can but he would cramp the floor to a higher degree, and Im not sure if his passing ability is up to sniff to make up for it.

What Davis did better this year offensively than young KG is rebound and finish inside the paint. Even at his peak KG was never a dominant o.rebounder/finisher, he spent most of his career playing at a weight lower than what Davis is at right now I think.

very true. KG, for all his awesomeness, seemed allergic on the offensive end to mix it up in the paint.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 09:09 PM
Yea KG's listed weight I remember for most of his Wolves career was 220-225 I think, Davis is supposedly like 230 right now. Although KG played SF for his first few seasons if I recall, so I don't think he needed to be as big. Although given the more perimeter based game now.. it's not like many guys are going to overpower and dominate Davis unless he moves to center.

flea
10-10-2013, 09:15 PM
He already spent a lot of time at center last year, and I'd imagine that's where he starts this year.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 09:40 PM
He already spent a lot of time at center last year, and I'd imagine that's where he starts this year.

Was it a lot? 82 games showed him mostly at PF. In that smaller sample he did fine at center but I just see him struggling with big guys like Drummond, Cousins, Howard, Hibbert, Lopez etc more due to his size.

FlashBolt
10-11-2013, 12:04 AM
Too soon to tell. We'll have to see what kind of opportunity he gets. My guess is he'll be a great defender and post 24/10 in his prime. No, he's not going to be better than Bosh.. Bosh in Toronto was seriously an MVP candidate. He was actually leading the MVP pact at one point.

KG2TB
10-11-2013, 01:35 AM
I've always been really high on him and think his ceiling is definitely higher than Bosh. I'd say prime numbers something like 24\12 with monster defense.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 01:37 AM
I've always been really high on him and think his ceiling is definitely higher than Bosh. I'd say prime numbers something like 24\12 with monster defense.

So you project him to be a top 20 player all time and one of the top 5 PF's all time? 24/14 with monster defense and say 3 blocks, 3 assists would make him easily one of the GOAT players assuming it lasts. Or did you mean to imply a peak year?

JayW_1023
10-11-2013, 04:23 AM
He has the potential to be an absolute terror on both ends.

True Sports Fan
10-11-2013, 10:27 AM
No offense, but have either of yall watched him play at all? Most expect him to break 16-18 ppg this season alone. Some even expect him to lead the team in scoring. He'll be AT LEAST a 20 ppg in his prime, and that's being generous.

I mean per 36 last season he averaged 17 ppg. And he's already taken huge strides offensively.

He's just not that type of guy who stands out offensively.. With Jrue, Tyreke, EG, Anderson taking up quite a bit of shots, he won't get the ball that much. I see him averaging 18/10/3 efficiently.

b@llhog24
10-11-2013, 12:51 PM
Not necessarily for reasons I already explained. I think Davis is absolute CAPABLE of scoring 20 ppg if he wanted to.

He's not necessarily someone who will look to score 20ppg, but I'm think he'll be so good at maximizing whatever possessions he'll get, it'll be pretty much a no brainer. He's really good at getting to the line and he hits them at an already impressive rate for a first year big, a monstrous finisher in the paint, and a ton of analysts actually expected him to develop a three point shot at when he was drafted although that will come probably as he matures (maybe not so much the 3 but extended range). He's good offensive rebounder already which is promising as he hasn't quite filled out his frame yet.


I explained before that the reason he won't anytime soon is all of the ball dominant guards on the roster who will get most of the shots and the fact that Monty so far hasn't made an effort to run the offense through him as the 1st option. I can't think of many 2nd options, especially bigmen who score 20+. He would need to become the first option, taking the most shots.

He doesn't need to be the first option to score 20ppg, I already explained that. Dwight's an example that comes to mind, there's at least 2-3 years where he score 20ppg on those Orlando Magic teams an he was either 3/4th in total shot attempts. In any event, it's obvious that the cast he has around him is subject to change within the next 4 to 5 years. Even still as a Clippers fan you should know how good of a passer EJ is, Jrue is a very willing passer and Tyreke can facilitate from time to time.


It's not a lack of skillset, it's circumstances and the system he's playing in. Comon this is the NBA... pretty much any all star can score 20+ every night if they want to and if the system allows it.

If Davis is the real deal, chances are he'll transcend the system.


Yea KG's listed weight I remember for most of his Wolves career was 220-225 I think, Davis is supposedly like 230 right now. Although KG played SF for his first few seasons if I recall, so I don't think he needed to be as big. Although given the more perimeter based game now.. it's not like many guys are going to overpower and dominate Davis unless he moves to center.

Who's side are you on anyway?

b@llhog24
10-11-2013, 12:52 PM
He's just not that type of guy who stands out offensively.. With Jrue, Tyreke, EG, Anderson taking up quite a bit of shots, he won't get the ball that much. I see him averaging 18/10/3 efficiently.

This year*

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 02:33 PM
Ballhog in Dwight's 20 plus ppg seasons he was the first option. The team was built around him on offense.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 02:44 PM
He's not necessarily someone who will look to score 20ppg, but I'm think he'll be so good at maximizing whatever possessions he'll get, it'll be pretty much a no brainer. He's really good at getting to the line and he hits them at an already impressive rate for a first year big, a monstrous finisher in the paint, and a ton of analysts actually expected him to develop a three point shot at when he was drafted although that will come probably as he matures (maybe not so much the 3 but extended range). He's good offensive rebounder already which is promising as he hasn't quite filled out his frame yet.



He doesn't need to be the first option to score 20ppg, I already explained that. Dwight's an example that comes to mind, there's at least 2-3 years where he score 20ppg on those Orlando Magic teams an he was either 3/4th in total shot attempts. In any event, it's obvious that the cast he has around him is subject to change within the next 4 to 5 years. Even still as a Clippers fan you should know how good of a passer EJ is, Jrue is a very willing passer and Tyreke can facilitate from time to time.



If Davis is the real deal, chances are he'll transcend the system.



Who's side are you on anyway?

Who do I need to be on a side? I haven't flip flopped, I've been clear on this. I don't dislike Davis at all and actually was wrong about him. I see the greatness in him and his work ethic is great for a young guy. You can tell he works nonstop and WANTS to be truly great. I just don't see him matching KG like you guys seem to think he will, which as I said would make him a top 20 player all time and a top 5 PF all time.

I do think he can get into that 22/12 range for maybe one or two seasons but I see more of an 18/10/3/3/2 defensive anchor type out of him, which is still a perennial all star and HOF player. I just don't see the MVP caliber, top 20 player all time you guys seem to be projecting.

I wasn't dissing the guards passing because as you said all 3 of them are above average passers and usually willing passers. Thing is they are also far more capable of going for 20+ consistently than Davis at this point so I expect the offense to run through EJ first if healthy, which is the right way to go. When healthy Gordon is one of the most versatile and consistent scorers in the NBA.

Chronz
10-11-2013, 02:49 PM
Whos projecting? Just saying hes on a KG like pace. Just like when we say Blakes ahead of Karl Malone's pace at the same age. I agree with the idea that we need a few years of consistent(preferably ascending) play. KG wasn't quite this rough around the edges but I do think that Davis is more talented as a raw prospect. Talent means nothing without producing results however, and KG had that fire and intensity to be great. Should be interesting to see how he develops, hopefully he plateaus for awhile before making the leap. We dont need more contenders out West.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 04:52 PM
Oh seems some people were saying he will be that good, not you or even Ballhog, but others.

nolafan33
10-11-2013, 06:52 PM
It really seems like some people still think of Davis as the way he was thought of coming out of Kentucky. A defensive big with some, but not a lot, of offensive potential. This is wrong, Davis is a guy that can score in a number of ways. Putbacks, rolling to the basket, alley oops, in the post, in transition, from midrange, he can put the ball on the floor and drive past guys. Just a lot of different things that a lot of bigs can't do.

I personally think he'll lead the Pels in scoring.

GunFactor187
10-11-2013, 11:37 PM
A little OT here but I was thinking about this the other day real hard. What if NO hadn't traded Nerlens Noel, what would the potential of a Noel/Davis front duo be? They'd block shots left and right sure but would it have worked out in the short term? Long term?

Clippersfan86
10-12-2013, 01:23 AM
It really seems like some people still think of Davis as the way he was thought of coming out of Kentucky. A defensive big with some, but not a lot, of offensive potential. This is wrong, Davis is a guy that can score in a number of ways. Putbacks, rolling to the basket, alley oops, in the post, in transition, from midrange, he can put the ball on the floor and drive past guys. Just a lot of different things that a lot of bigs can't do.

I personally think he'll lead the Pels in scoring.

Nobody in here is saying that actually, including me. As I said before if anything his DEFENSE is overrated and offense is UNDERRATED.

MonroeFAN
10-12-2013, 07:46 AM
Jonas v > Davis's offensive potential

Chronz
10-12-2013, 11:41 AM
Nobody in here is saying that actually, including me. As I said before if anything his DEFENSE is overrated and offense is UNDERRATED.

Has anyone really said he was a defensive stud tho? Not sure how its overrated when most people expect rookie bigs to struggle on that end, particularly when they are slight of build. Hes reportedly gained 10-20lbs this offseason, he certainly looks stronger to me at least.

Clippersfan86
10-12-2013, 11:55 AM
Doesn't look any bigger to me. Yes, the majority seems to talk as if he's a defensive monster.

Chronz
10-12-2013, 12:43 PM
Really? Any post come to mind?

Clippersfan86
10-12-2013, 01:23 PM
Not particularly. I just gather that as the general perception of Davis in my experiences. In this thread everybody has been pretty level headed besides the Pelicans fan who said he will definitely be a 25 ppg scorer. Im mobile but after work ill find the threads im talking about.

TimeForAHoliday
10-13-2013, 10:20 PM
Nobody in here is saying that actually, including me. As I said before if anything his DEFENSE is overrated and offense is UNDERRATED.How is his defense overrated? One of the reasons why he struggled last year was because he fell for a lot of pump fakes and some of the bigger bigs would abuse him in the post. With a year of NBA experience under his belt he should be better at the mental part of defense. And he increased his weight over the summer. He played at 212 last year, he's at 230 now. Obviously not huge but he should be able to hold his own for the most part now.


Oh and BTW you have been and always will be a *****.

Clippersfan86
10-13-2013, 11:41 PM
How is his defense overrated? One of the reasons why he struggled last year was because he fell for a lot of pump fakes and some of the bigger bigs would abuse him in the post. With a year of NBA experience under his belt he should be better at the mental part of defense. And he increased his weight over the summer. He played at 212 last year, he's at 230 now. Obviously not huge but he should be able to hold his own for the most part now.


Oh and BTW you have been and always will be a *****.

Lmao stop exaggerating, he DID NOT play at 212 pounds last year. He went from about 225-232 this summer, was never 212. I never said he won't eventually become a defensive monster, but rather that most people expected more defensively and less offensively last year.

TimeForAHoliday
10-13-2013, 11:59 PM
Lmao stop exaggerating, he DID NOT play at 212 pounds last year. He went from about 225-232 this summer, was never 212. I never said he won't eventually become a defensive monster, but rather that most people expected more defensively and less offensively last year.

Pretty sure if it came directly out of his mouth and Monty's mouth it's true. Monty isn't the type of guy to joke around.

TimeForAHoliday
10-14-2013, 12:00 AM
@DMoutonWWL
Monty Williams says Anthony Davis finished last season at 212 - too light for an NBA power forward. Davis is now a stronger 230.

Clippersfan86
10-14-2013, 12:05 AM
Well his listed weight on ESPN is 220, 222 on Draftexpress from the combine, 220 at NBA.com, 220 on Google and Yahoo. Trust me he wasn't 212, Monty is wrong. Doesn't mean he's joking or lying, means he's mistaken. Either that or Davis lost a few pounds during the season at that point but he was 220+ most of the year and definitely at the combine.

Bruno
10-14-2013, 12:07 AM
he'll give u a few 24/10/3/2 seasons, question is for how long?

JayW_1023
10-14-2013, 04:21 AM
He looked great again vs. Atlanta. i think he'll succeed in being an elite player. I don't think he'll be an explosive scorer, but a great all-round guy...and defensively a monster.

archdevil84
10-14-2013, 06:08 AM
big baby davis is his best friend

TrueFan420
10-14-2013, 07:48 AM
Pretty sure if it came directly out of his mouth and Monty's mouth it's true. Monty isn't the type of guy to joke around.

AI use to claim to be 6' players do lie about stuff like that.

sammyvine
10-14-2013, 08:30 AM
Clippersfan86 hates Davis....

I think its because he sees him as a threat to Blake Griffin as the best PF in the league when the likes of Dirk, Duncan and KG have all retired.

Chronz
10-14-2013, 12:18 PM
Clippersfan86 hates Davis....

I think its because he sees him as a threat to Blake Griffin as the best PF in the league when the likes of Dirk, Duncan and KG have all retired.

Yup.

Meaze_Gibson
10-14-2013, 07:37 PM
Brows has a nice face up game and hes able to take almost any big man off the dribble effortlessly. He has a smooth release and has a little range as well judging from his preseason and olympic showcasing. In addition, he is a decent freethrow shooter. With all those intangible, especially the free throw shooting and hustle points he will get, He will probably average 20 plus points for about 6 or 7 seasons at least.

FlashBolt
10-15-2013, 09:05 AM
Well his listed weight on ESPN is 220, 222 on Draftexpress from the combine, 220 at NBA.com, 220 on Google and Yahoo. Trust me he wasn't 212, Monty is wrong. Doesn't mean he's joking or lying, means he's mistaken. Either that or Davis lost a few pounds during the season at that point but he was 220+ most of the year and definitely at the combine.

Dude, you are such a hater. Stop being a biased cretin. Why should anyone trust you over a coach who keeps track of his players activity? Who are you again? The guy who got banned for being a constant troll at ISH? Davis has more potential than Blake. He can defend and already seems to be a better offensive player. You denying that is just another one of your attempts to make Blake Griffin better than he already is. The fact is, Davis got bigger. He's going to get a bigger role and that really gives you the goosebumps.