PSD Raptors Fans League 2013/14

[Bramaca]

I'd be interested too

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I can join. let me know the details


play i can


I'd be interested too

Details are as follows:
-9 Cat league head to head (Fg%, ft%, 3pm, pts, reb, ast, stl, blk, to
-Its a keep 2 league meaning you have the option of your first 2 draft picks being keeper players (the only restriction being that you cannot keep a player for more than 2 consecutive drafts)

In terms of teams. For the past year or 2 its been a 10 team league (top 8 make the playoffs). Prior to that it has been 12 teams. We currently have 1 opening for sure. If all 3 of you are interested then I think we can expand it back to 12 for this year.

If you guys PM me your email address, I can send you an invite. One of the openings would be to take over a team from last year. The other 2 would be "Expansion teams", meaning that you wouldn't have any keepers. The team from last year has one worthwhile keeper eligible player (Antetokoumpo) that I can see. If you want to take over this team, then indicate so in your PM. First one to PM me indicating this will be given that team.

The draft itself is tentatively scheduled for Sunday night at 8pm right now. In the interest of getting everyone settled in and maximizing draft participation, I am willing to push it to next weekend instead. This would mean that we would start on week 3 of the season.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

One more thing to note is that the draft order is the inverse of the regular season standings for the previous year. For the team being taken over, that means you would have the 8th pick. The expansion teams would pick #1 and #2 (depending on who PMs me first), in order to compensate for the lack of possible keepers.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

All invites have been sent out

[Freakazoid]

What are the keeper rules?

[Six-8-TheWizard]

What are the keeper rules?

-You can keep 2 players from your previous year's team in the following draft (this is optional, so you don't have to pick keepers if you don't like the guys you have or you feel like you would be better off just drafting with the pool of players available at your pick). You can also just pick 1 keeper if you want to (ie if for example you had James Harden on your team, but then your next keeper eligible player was not projected to go till round 3). This would go in as your 1st round pick
-Those players by default will be your 1st and 2nd round picks (regardless of how/where you got them from prior to that draft)
The draft is a normal snake draft otherwise
-The only other specific rule is that you cannot mark a player as your keeper pick for more than 2 consecutive drafts. I will illustrate this with examples:

-Bob picks up Draymond green as his free agent steal following the 2014 draft. Bob can then mark him as his keeper for both the 2015 and 2016 drafts (even though he had him on his team for virtually all of the 2014 season). Bob cannot do so for the 2017 draft because that would be a 3rd consecutive year with Draymond marked as a keeper.
-Bob drafts Towns in the 5th round of the 2015 draft. Bob can then mark him as his keeper pick for both the 2016 and 2017 drafts (even though he drafted him in 2015, as he wasn't marked as a keeper in 2015, just merely drafted later on). Bob cannot do so for 2018 though.

These rules are in place basically just to prevent someone from keeping Lebron type players for 10+ years on their roster. It also helps to encourage trade activity as owners have incentives to trade their keeper players. Teams who look iffy to make the playoffs might also want to sell off a bunch of their non-keeper assets to a contending team in exchange for a top keeper for example.


If you do keep mark a player as your keeper for 2 consecutive drafts, and don't trade him before the deadline, you basically have 2 options:

1) Throw him back into the draft pool

*2)If he is a top keeper (like top 3 or 4 player in predraft rankings), someone may be willing to trade draft picks for him prior to the draft in order to ensure that they end up with a top keeper they might not otherwise be able to get. For example, I have had Kevin Durant as my keeper for the last 2 years. I did not trade him last year at the deadline because I felt I had a decent shot of winning and that I had a couple other potential 2nd round keepers on my roster. I would ordinarily just throw him back into the player pool, but since he is a top 3-4 fantasy player, someone with a later first round draft pick (who would have no shot at drafting him outright) might be willing to trade a later round draft pick for him pre-draft if it means a major upgrade to their keepers

*Note that this last point works in theory, as in the past we have had draft pick trading enabled pre-draft, but as far as I can remember, this type of trade has never actually happened in this league. Therefore, we would likely need to establish some ground rules/a precedent for this going forward.

For example, I would say that player-player trades shouldn't be allowed pre-draft, because it would take away in-season trade incentive for people to know that they can just swap keepers right before the draft. Having only player-pick trades basically ensures that only the top 5 or so players would really be able to bring back anything of value in a trade (as no one will want to give up a decent draft pick to upgrade their keeper from Kyrie Irving to Paul George for example). It also adds another little wrinkle in terms of trade incentives, as owners of mid-first round guys run the risk of only getting pennies on the dollar back for their expiring keeper if they hold onto them for the playoffs and then find that the best offer they can get for him is the 120th draft pick (when they could've traded them for another first rounder at the deadline).

Also, I can't seem to figure out how to turn this function back on pre-draft under commish tools, so there's that as well lol. If a trade is agreed upon I can put it through manually though so it is possible to do regardless.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

So everything is set now, and we can proceed with the draft. A few things to note:

1) The deadline to mark your keeper players is Thursday at 11:59pm. A bunch of us have already indicated on here who we want to keep, but make sure you do it on Yahoo as well. I will be verifying that these guys have not been kept more than 2 drafts in a row (by looking into league history). If you legit can't remember, you can go back and look at past years and see who was marked Keeper in those drafts and for what team. So far I have only verified mine and Bramaca's (so I could give an accurate account of eligible keepers from Gibby's old team). Going forward MikeNoodles has made a GoogleDoc where we can keep track of who keeps who each year (so we don't have to keep going back into league history to check).

2) I have tentatively set the draft time to Saturday at 8pm. Please let me know if this works for you, and if not then suggest other potential times. I set this time kind of arbitrarily, so if there is something better then I will move it. That being said, its hard to coordinate 12 people meeting up at once so if you do have a conflict then make it known asap so we can "crowdsource" for a solution.

3) If you guys read my post above about keepers, I mentioned the draft pick trading thing at the end. Are these all acceptable conditions in your minds? Do you agree with allowing these types of trades going forward, or would you prefer to outlaw pre-draft trades altogether? Personally I think its a good idea but I want to see what everyone else thinks as well (I might not have considered possible loopholes this could create, etc)

[Freakazoid]

Any chance we can draft on Sunday instead?

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Any chance we can draft on Sunday instead?

Works for me. Everyone cool with Sunday instead (same time)?

[Bob_at_york]

Works for me. Everyone cool with Sunday instead (same time)?

Sunday works better for me too but overall I don't care.

[mike_noodles]

I'm cool to draft any time. Any day.

[swoop]

Sunday is good.

[Bramaca]

So I can keep Giannis. Lebron is on my team too, has he been on my team for the max amount or can I keep him also? If I can't I can trade him for a draft pick if I want before when? Tomorrrow?

[Six-8-TheWizard]

So I can keep Giannis. Lebron is on my team too, has he been on my team for the max amount or can I keep him also? If I can't I can trade him for a draft pick if I want before when? Tomorrrow?

So I looked back into it, and I was wrong the first time (I saw him marked as a Keeper on the 2014 roster, but didn't realize that he was drafted by a different team that year). Lebron is indeed keeper eligible for this draft. He was acquired via trade in the 2014-15 season, and used as a keeper for the 2015 draft. This would therefore be the last time you can mark him though. The only player on your team that is not keeper eligible then is Blake Griffin

With regards to the draft pick trade thing, if anyone wants to make a trade of that nature, it has to be agreed upon outside of the yahoo interface as I can't figure out how to turn on that function right now. The draft is set for Sunday at 8pm, so lets say as long as its agreed upon by both parties by 6pm on that day I will put it through.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I looked back into everyone's keepers to see who was eligible/ineligible. This is the list of keepers already indicated (and verified eligible)/ineligible keepers

1. Six-8-TheWizard - Westbrook (1st Keep)/Whiteside (1st Keep) | (Durant Ineligible)

2. Bob - Curry (1st Keep)/Towns (1st Keep) | None Ineligible

3. MikeNoodles - Harden (1st Keep)/Horford (1st Keep) | None Ineligible

4. Swoop - Cousins (1st Keep)/Butler (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible

5. KCab - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible

6. Conway - No Keepers Indicated | Paul Ineligible (Klay already kept once)

7. Bramaca - Lebron (2nd Keep)/Antetokoumnpo (1st Keep) | (Griffin Ineligible)

8. Greg - No Keepers Indicated | (Davis Ineligible)

9. Masterbakers - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible

10. Jsumadchat - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible (George already kept once)

11. Killersweet - Expansion Team - No Keepers

12. Freakazoid - Expansion Team - No Keepers

[conway429]

taking over another team's keepers seems lame...

[Six-8-TheWizard]

taking over another team's keepers seems lame...

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. Like in what context are you referring to?

[conway429]

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. Like in what context are you referring to?

Bramaca is taking over Gibby's team right? And being able to keep his keepers. I don't see the point in that vs releasing Gibby's team and starting a new team

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Bramaca is taking over Gibby's team right? And being able to keep his keepers. I don't see the point in that vs releasing Gibby's team and starting a new team

Oh ok ya, that's what I thought you were referring to.

Well I figured that in terms of continuity that would be the best way to do it (this way to everyone else it is as if Gibby never left). I thought that was also what we had done in the past as well. Maybe not. Either way I honestly didn't really think much of it when I did it as it seemed to me like the most natural way to go about it. :shrug:

[killersweet]

It says Draft is scheduled for Nov 7 (monday) at 2 am Eastern? Is this right?

[swoop]

taking over another team's keepers seems lame...

I concur.

Are we doing this tonight at 8 EST ?

[Six-8-TheWizard]

It says Draft is scheduled for Nov 7 (monday) at 2 am Eastern? Is this right?


I concur.

Are we doing this tonight at 8 EST ?

I messed up with the Pacific time thing when I set it last time. Yes we are drafting at 8 EST. Should be fixed now

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Bramaca is taking over Gibby's team right? And being able to keep his keepers. I don't see the point in that vs releasing Gibby's team and starting a new team


I concur.

Ok well I didn't realize that you guys felt that way about it. Just thought that it made sense from a continuity standpoint. I'm just going to leave it as is at this point since its kind of too late to try to make changes (and not fair to Bramaca given he's prepared for the draft in one position this whole time only to change everything 6 hours before the draft). In the future, if this happens again we will just release the team and have all new managers be via expansion.

[Bramaca]

Ok well I didn't realize that you guys felt that way about it. Just thought that it made sense from a continuity standpoint. I'm just going to leave it as is at this point since its kind of too late to try to make changes (and not fair to Bramaca given he's prepared for the draft in one position this whole time only to change everything 6 hours before the draft). In the future, if this happens again we will just release the team and have all new managers be via expansion.

It's not really a big deal for me. If it bothers people I can start from scratch.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

It's not really a big deal for me. If it bothers people I can start from scratch.

I'll leave it up to swoop/conway then. If they really want to go that far, and you are okay with it then I can remove the keepers and just move you up the draft order. Gonna leave it as is though if I don't hear anything by like 6 or so, and we'll just know not to do this for next time.

[Bramaca]

I'll leave it up to swoop/conway then. If they really want to go that far, and you are okay with it then I can remove the keepers and just move you up the draft order. Gonna leave it as is though if I don't hear anything by like 6 or so, and we'll just know not to do this for next time.

Ok either way is fine with me. I'll have my draft rankings set, probably won't be on for the draft. Have a family thing.

[swoop]

Doesn't seem fair in changing it at such a late date. It should be the same though for any new teams. But such are the vagaries of keeper leagues' rules - my preference is not to have any.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Doesn't seem fair in changing it at such a late date. It should be the same though for any new teams. But such are the vagaries of keeper leagues' rules - my preference is not to have any.

Ok I think I'm just gonna leave it then for tonight. We have a precedent now and we will know for next time.

And yeah, that's something I want to work on. Things have been kind of murky the last year or 2 with Dolfan going AWOL and then not having a commish for last season/the beginning of this one. I want everything to be as transparent and straightforward as possible moving forward. MikeNoodles had a really good idea with the spreadsheet to keep track of the keepers. My post on the previous page has all the keeper rules outlined in it as well. I think I am going to type them up a little more carefully and then try to add them to the doc or something so that we can have a set definitions we can go and look into if we need to sort out any issues like this in the future.

[swoop]

Congrats Bramaca !

[Bramaca]

Thanks, was lucky enough to not have too many players get injured. Looking forward to next season.

[mike_noodles]

Yes congrats to Bramaca. Well done.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Congrats Bramaca

[mike_noodles]

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/28784/invitation?key=94d214aba3a238f0&ikey=d0e0f5a904ebf1a2

I've started a much bigger fantasy pool. Just for fun. 20 teams. 6 starters per team.

[conway429]

Sorry guys, I gotta bail on the league this year. Don't have the time to update rosters daily and be on top of it so I feel I'd bring the league down. Really a pleasure playing with you guys all these years and good luck to everyone.

[mike_noodles]

Is anyone paying attention any more? Season starts in a week and we have nothing yet.

[Bob_at_york]

Is anyone paying attention any more? Season starts in a week and we have nothing yet.

Ok. Guys let's get going. Am I still the commish? I think I remember handing that job to someone. We have 11 guys in league. Let's get an even number and pick our keepers by friday and draft sunday night

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Ok. Guys let's get going. Am I still the commish? I think I remember handing that job to someone. We have 11 guys in league. Let's get an even number and pick our keepers by friday and draft sunday night

Sorry boys, I've had a lot going on and didn't realize the NBA season started earlier this year

And also I'm fine with that timeline if everyone else is too. Worst case we can always just start a week later like we did last year.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Sorry guys, I gotta bail on the league this year. Don't have the time to update rosters daily and be on top of it so I feel I'd bring the league down. Really a pleasure playing with you guys all these years and good luck to everyone.

Ok thanks for the heads up Conway. Hope to see you back for next year if you have the time.

So this means right now we only have 11 teams, so in order to draft we need to either add another or contract at team...

I have sent messages on Yahoo to Jsumadchat and MasterBakers asking if they would be ok being contracted (I had planned to inquire about this anyway as both were inactive for pretty much the entirety of last season). Hopefully I get a response within the next day or 2

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I have set the tentative keeper deadline to this Saturday. I have not set a draft time as of yet since I don't know what works for everyone yet and depending on what happens with the odd number of teams situation we may need to push the start date back a week.

I will try to update the keeper list from last year later on today

[Six-8-TheWizard]

1. Six-8-TheWizard - Westbrook (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible (Westbrook/Whiteside Kept once)

2. Bob - Curry (2nd Keep)/Towns (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible (Towns/Curry Kept Once)

3. MikeNoodles - Harden (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible (Horford Kept Once)

4. Swoop - Cousins (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible

5. KCab - Durant (2nd Keep)/Leonard (2nd Keep) | None Ineligible

6. Conway - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible - Leaving League

7. Bramaca - Giannis (2nd Keep)/Gobert (1st Keep) | (Lebron Ineligible, Giannis Kept Once)

8. Greg - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible

9. Masterbakers - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible - Contracted

10. Jsumadchat - No Keepers Indicated | None Ineligible

11. Killersweet - No Keepers Indicated - None Ineligible

12. Freakazoid - No Keepers Indicated - None Ineligible

If you post your keepers in here I will update them in the thread (remember to also mark them on Yahoo). I have not verified the eligibility 100% yet for each team but at first glance Lebron is the only 2nd time keeper from last year to still be on his original team.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

So this means right now we only have 11 teams, so in order to draft we need to either add another or contract at team...

I have sent messages on Yahoo to Jsumadchat and MasterBakers asking if they would be ok being contracted (I had planned to inquire about this anyway as both were inactive for pretty much the entirety of last season). Hopefully I get a response within the next day or 2

Update: I received a response from MasterBakers who has given the go ahead for his team to be contracted. This should get us down to 10 teams with Conway leaving.

I have very very tentatively set the draft time as 11:15pm this Sunday the 15th. If this works for everyone then great. If not, we could also do it Monday night instead.

If neither of these is good for the vast majority then we could also delay and do it next weekend or something.

[Bob_at_york]

Update: I received a response from MasterBakers who has given the go ahead for his team to be contracted. This should get us down to 10 teams with Conway leaving.

I have very very tentatively set the draft time as 11:15pm this Sunday the 15th. If this works for everyone then great. If not, we could also do it Monday night instead.

If neither of these is good for the vast majority then we could also delay and do it next weekend or something.
I would definitely prefer a time a little bit earlier on Sunday night if possible. 9pm? But I understand a lot of times might have been taken.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I would definitely prefer a time a little bit earlier on Sunday night if possible. 9pm? But I understand a lot of times might have been taken.

I should be able to do 9pm as well

[Bramaca]

Went in and set my keepers a couple days ago. If it didn’t register they were Giannis and Gobert

[mike_noodles]

Not sure if too late, but I'll keep Harden. Otherwise, I'll start fresh, no worries.

[swoop]

I'm good with Sunday (9 or 11) or Monday (earlier). Wizard, can you set a cutoff time for fixing a time/date ?
Also, i didn't realize there was a cutoff for keepers... I wanted to keep Cousins.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Not sure if too late, but I'll keep Harden. Otherwise, I'll start fresh, no worries.


I'm good with Sunday (9 or 11) or Monday (earlier). Wizard, can you set a cutoff time for fixing a time/date ?
Also, i didn't realize there was a cutoff for keepers... I wanted to keep Cousins.

Will update both of those keepers manually

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I'm good with Sunday (9 or 11) or Monday (earlier). Wizard, can you set a cutoff time for fixing a time/date ?
Also, i didn't realize there was a cutoff for keepers... I wanted to keep Cousins.

I'm going to move it to 9pm to accommodate Bob since no one else seems to have a problem with that. If I don't see any major objections from anyone else with regards to that before noon tomorrow then that will be the time. I'll make another post in here around then to 100% confirm. Also PM'd everyone who hasn't posted in here to get them to check in.

[swoop]

Thanks man.

[Six-8-TheWizard]

Thanks man.

No prob. Also just to confirm, you only want the one keeper this year (Cousins)?

[Six-8-TheWizard]

All keepers listed either in here or on Yahoo have been inputted and draft order has been finalized for everyone. Let me know if I missed anyone. If you still want to put in keepers or change anything then post it in here and I can edit it in on Yahoo.

[Bob_at_york]

All keepers listed either in here or on Yahoo have been inputted and draft order has been finalized for everyone. Let me know if I missed anyone. If you still want to put in keepers or change anything then post it in here and I can edit it in on Yahoo.

I tried putting my keepers in earlier today and couldn't find where to do it. I want to keep curry and kat

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I tried putting my keepers in earlier today and couldn't find where to do it. I want to keep curry and kat

I put them in for you

[Six-8-TheWizard]

I didn't hear any complaints from anyone new regarding the draft time so it is now 100% finalized for 9pm tonight. See you all then