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Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 12:15 AM
Every summer, PSD holds a game where GM's re-draft players to see who creates the best team. This year, users from the site had to utilize their skills via draft, trades. At the end of the game, GMs voted on how they believed the regular season of this game would shake up. These are the playoffs of PSD's 2013 NBA Re-Draft

Please take the time to consider each line up, the match-up itself, and vote on which team you believe would win in a seven game series.

Staten Island Depth Chart:

PG: Jeff Teague/Devin Harris
SG: Iman Shumpert/Gary Neal/E'twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant/Francisco Garcia
PF: David West/Michael Beasley
C: Chris Kaman/Chris Andersen/Byron Mullens

Compton Depth Chart:

PG: Russell Westbrook/Ramon Sessions/Derek Fisher
SG: Kevin Martin/Wayne Ellington
SF: Shawn Marion/Jordan Hamilton
PF: Tristan Thompson/Andrea Bargnani
C: Omer Asik/Dejuan Blair/Joel Anthony

Compton Writeup:


PG: Russell Westbrook vs Jeff Teague
This matchup isnít even close. Teague is a solid young guard but heís no match for a Westbrook whoís been a top 5 guard for the past 3 years and will continue to be so moving forward. Westbrook is too big and explosive for Teague and should have a hell of a series against Staten Island. The fact that they have absolutely no rim protection with their bigs (West and Kaman arenít rim protectors in the slightest), also helps Westbrook in this series as heíll be able to get anything he wants at the rim as well as the mid-range area. Teague is a solid scorer but heís no threat to outscore Westbrook and will be out-produced in this series. Big Advantage Compton.

SG: Kevin Martin vs Iman Shumpert
Classic matchup of offense vs defense. Martin is one of the most efficient shooters in the NBA and will be able to take advantage of Russell Westbrookís penetration. I will admit that Martin may see trouble during isolation plays because Iman is one of the elite wing defenders in the NBA, but Martin is a great foul drawer and should have great moments on the offensive end as well. Martin isnít the best defender, but Shumpert also isnít a very good scorer so itís basically a wash on that side of the matchup. Shumpert Ďs offense mainly consists of spot-up shooting (which he isnít completely reliable at) and energy plays like fast-breaks and alley-oops. Because of Shumpertís limited offense, we feel that we have an advantage at this spot as well. Martin will have some trouble with Shump guarding him, but heíll be able score throughout this series with spot-ups from the attention Westbrook gets. If they consider using Shumpert on Westbrook, then Martin will definitely torch Teague and weíd invite that matchup all day.

SF: Shawn Marion vs Kevin Durant
Not much to discuss here as Durant definitely is the better player. However we have a guy who can somewhat challenge him and make Kevin Durant work for his points on offense. Marion is still one of the better SF defenders in the league and he always takes the challenge of guarding the opposing teamís best wing player. Durant will be able to get his own but we feel Marion can do a good job of guarding him throughout this series.

PF: Tristan Thompson vs David West
David West has the advantage here but Tristan Thompson showed to be a solid defender at Power Forward last season and we think he can do a respectable job guarding David West in this series. Tristan only allowed 41%FG on postups last season and he has the size and athleticism to bother West. On the other side of the ball, West isnít the greatest rebounder and Tristan makes a living off of offensive rebounds and garbage points. Like I said before, West has the advantage but Tristan will make him work and has an advantage in certain points such as rebounding and defense. Westís synergy numbers may show that heís a good defender but that is clearly a result of the defensive system and players around him. Westís defensive prowess isnít as good as the #ís suggest in synergy.

C: Omer Asik vs Chris Kaman
Asik is clearly the better player at this point. Kaman is capable of chipping in on the offensive end at times but thatís about it at this point of his career. Asik is one of the elite defenders and rebounders in the NBA and will make a huge contribution toward that in this series. Asik will be able to shut down Kaman and heíll control the paint on the defensive end from opposing slashers. Compton has the advantage here and it isnít really close.

Bench:
Our bench definitely has more impact players than theirs, and I feel like our bench can make a difference. Ramon Sessions was great in the 6th man role for the Bobcats last season and is solid scoring threat as a combo guard. Andrea Bargnani is one of the more criticized players in the league, BUT on this team heíll be a specialist off the bench at shooting/spacing the floor in a Al Harrington role for us. We feel having 2 guys that are capable of putting up 15 ppg on the bench on any given night is a big advantage for us over Staten Island. Their best players off the bench are Devin Harris, who is clearly a shell of himself and not nearly the player he used to be, and Gary Neal who had his moments as a Spur but has always been an inconsistent player in his career. Compton has more balance on offense, a better defense, and they have absolutely nobody to guard our superstar player Russell Westbrook. Yes they have the 2nd best player in the league, but they donít have much around him and we have the defender on the perimeter (Marion), and in the paint (Asik) to give him some trouble defensively.

Mr.Nate30
10-08-2013, 12:23 AM
Congrats to Compton on making the playoffs but we feel that we have a superior team and heres why.

Offensive Gameplan
The biggest asset of our offense is its floor spacing. Durant is money from anywhere on the floor and rocks a solid 0.657 TS% while David west shoots 53% in the paint and has a 47% accuracy with his jumper. Our 1-2 offensive punch demands attention and forces our opponentís defenders outside of the paint. This not only limits our opponentís biggest strength, his rebounding, but also opens up driving lanes for Teague. If defenders collapse on Teague he can either pass it to one of the aforementioned players or for Shumpert who will be hanging out in the corner at the 3 pt line with his 0.403%. Both Westbrook and Martin are not elite defenders so this type of penetration is a given. Kaman is a liability defensively, but he can provide back to the basket points over Asik with limited minutes.

Defensive Gameplan
Our defensive gameplan is fairly straightforward; let Westbrook exploit Teague defensively and shutdown everyone else. Compton has only one offensive weapon with Shumpert locked in on Kevin Martin and we feel Westbrook alone is not able to beat us. Why is this? Because the efficiency of his offense outside of the paint is poor; outside of the paint Thompson 36% Marion 37% and Westbrook 38%. This allows us to clog the paint and again counter his only statistical strength, his rebounding. If Compton brings in Bargs off the bench to increase spacing his rebounding and defense suffers as a result.
Player Matchups

Teague vs Westbrook
Clearly Westbrook is the better player but As we discussed in our writeup we will clog the paint in an effort to decrease Westbrookís efficiency. Also Teague should be able to drive at will against this porous backcourt so the advantage is not that large.

Shumpert vs Martin
The matchup between these two players favors Shumpert slightly. Martin is more of a standstill shooter an Shumpert has the speed and quickness to greatly limit Martinís scoring. Shumpert isnít an elite offensive player however Martinís defense is not nonexistent.

Durant vs. Marion
Compton will probably argue that Shawn Marion is an elite defender and should be able to slow down Durant but that is not the case. If one looks at the Conference Semifinals from 2011-12 Durant scored 24, 31, 26, 25 in the four game series. Durant has only gotten better since then and Marion worse. Nothing else needs to be said.

West vs. Thompson
I like Thompson as an up and coming player however he is outmatched in this series. The rebounding percentage Thompson generated last season is more of a consequence of Varejoís injury than his skillset. West has a Def RAPM of 2.3 and Off RAPM of 3.4 to Thompsons Def RAPM of 1.0 and Off RAPM of -0.3.

Anderson vs. Asik
Since Anderson is getting the starting minutes at center in this matchup we will look at him over Kaman. Asik is an elite defender but as shown in the NBA Playoffs last season so is Chris Anderson this is evidenced by Asik Def 5.4 RAPM to Chris Andersonís 4.5. For this reason I donít see either player being impactful over the other in this matchup. Asik may out rebound Anderson but as discussed in the game plan the paint will be packed so this advantage is minimized.

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 01:03 AM
lol Birdman starting is even better for me. He's pathetic on offense and he's only good in spurts. In no way can he make a difference as a starter. Makes it easier to guard Durant and West as well because he can roam the paint easier.

Shammyguy3
10-08-2013, 01:23 AM
This is a close one for me; will hold judgement but my initial thoughts are Staten Island in 6.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 08:59 AM
"Compton has more balance on offense, a better defense, and they have absolutely nobody to guard our superstar player Russell Westbrook. Yes they have the 2nd best player in the league, but they don’t have much around him and we have the defender on the perimeter (Marion), and in the paint (Asik) to give him some trouble defensively."

How do you have a more balanced offense? Outside of Martin who has shumpert guarding him, you have no one who can shoot the ball efficiently and Westbrook is your only scorer. We have Durant and West who you have no answer for and Teague who will still get his. Your interior defense may be slightly superior but ours is still solid and we have the better wing defenders.

DR_1
10-08-2013, 12:04 PM
I voted for Compton. I think Marion could slow down Durant just enough, and Asik will make things difficult for West. Add to that Jeff Teague guarding Russell Westbrook and I have Compton in 7.

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 12:49 PM
"Compton has more balance on offense, a better defense, and they have absolutely nobody to guard our superstar player Russell Westbrook. Yes they have the 2nd best player in the league, but they don’t have much around him and we have the defender on the perimeter (Marion), and in the paint (Asik) to give him some trouble defensively."

How do you have a more balanced offense? Outside of Martin who has shumpert guarding him, you have no one who can shoot the ball efficiently and Westbrook is your only scorer. We have Durant and West who you have no answer for and Teague who will still get his. Your interior defense may be slightly superior but ours is still solid and we have the better wing defenders.

no your interior defense isnt solid at all. like I said Birdman can be a good energy player in spurts but starting him is a joke because he's so limited on offense. Our offense is more balanced because we have more capable scorers. all of the players in our starting lineup are capable of contributing on the offensive end and chipping in at least 10 points on a given night, plus we have 2 guys on our bench who are known for scoring (Bargnani and Sessions). We don't have that explosive #2, but we have guys that can chip in and not complete offensive liabilities like a Birdman or Shumpert can be.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 01:49 PM
Your "scorers" are only efficient when occupying the same place! That doesn't mean your team balanced. Shumpert is far from a liability and Birdman is a defensive specialist whose lack of offense is more than compensated by that of durant teague and west

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Your "scorers" are only efficient when occupying the same place! That doesn't mean your team balanced. Shumpert is far from a liability and Birdman is a defensive specialist whose lack of offense is more than compensated by that of durant teague and west

Birdman is far from a specialist. He is a good shot blocker and that's it. Shumpert can go through spurts where he's completely invisible on offense.

My team has more balance as in there's more scorers on my team.

Killerjug
10-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Im leaning Staten Island but these claims that Teague will be able to drive at will and what not I dont believe are true. I think Westbrook can severely limit Teague offensively.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Also your guys that can chip in and aren't offensive liabilities are sure as hell liabilities on the other end ala Martin and Bargs

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 01:54 PM
Im leaning Staten Island but these claims that Teague will be able to drive at will and what not I dont believe are true. I think Westbrook can severely limit Teague offensively.

lol yea that's a ****in joke if i've ever seen one.

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 01:55 PM
Also your guys that can chip in and aren't offensive liabilities are sure as hell liabilities on the other end ala Martin and Bargs

Shumpert isn't a scorer anyways so that point is null. If u had a scoring SG then you'd have a point. And Bargs is just a 6th man type he'll hardly see West. I'll play him on Kaman and Birdman.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 01:59 PM
Im leaning Staten Island but these claims that Teague will be able to drive at will and what not I dont believe are true. I think Westbrook can severely limit Teague offensively.

Teague scored 19 points vs okc on .692 shooting and 16 points on .563 shooting last year in the two games they faced one another

Westbrook scored 27 points on .492 shooting and 14 on .278 shooting when facing atlanta last season

Teague will do just fine

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 02:01 PM
2 games whoopdey-doo lol. Pathetic sample size.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 02:01 PM
Shumpert isn't a scorer anyways so that point is null. If u had a scoring SG then you'd have a point. And Bargs is just a 6th man type he'll hardly see West. I'll play him on Kaman and Birdman.

Shumpert is our 4th option offensively and is an effecient 3pt scorer who can shut down your only shooter

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 02:02 PM
2 games whoopdey-doo lol. Pathetic sample size.

2011 he played okc once and he scored 16 points on .538 shooting before that he wasn't a starter.....

Sadds The Gr8
10-08-2013, 02:15 PM
2011 he played okc once and he scored 16 points on .538 shooting before that he wasn't a starter.....

3 games is a pathetic sample size no matter what. claiming that Westbrook over Teague isn't a big advantage is a joke. It's almost as big of an advantage as Durant over Marion but at least Marion is a good defender and can make KD work. Teague guarding Westbrook with limited rim protection to help Teague is easy pickings for Westbrook.

bloomis1307
10-08-2013, 03:25 PM
Quit trying to skew the conversation into your hands, the whole topic was Teague and his ability to penetrate and score vs Westbrook. Although its only 3 games, which yes that is a very small sample size, he was able to score against Westy 100% of the time. Great arguement, no but its better than simply saying he can't do it with no evidence whatsoever. Is he going to beat him in a 1vs1 matchup? Hell no, but that wasn't the topic of the conversation at that time.

You keep saying we have no paint protection but you fail to realize that your entire team is only efficient in the paint. Once we clog the middle you have no lanes for westbrook to drive and it makes double teams very easy. If you had an outside stretch 3 or 4 who warrants a defender away from the paint I would completely agree with you, and westy being able to drive. However the only other person on your squad who can do that (Bargs) is a liability on the defensive end so its an even tradeoff when he is on the floor in place of Thompson. Your poor floor spacing is what limits your offensive production.

Shammyguy3
10-08-2013, 03:54 PM
Regardless of Teague being able to get past Westbrook or not, when he does get past Westy he'll be seeing Omer Asik who is ten times the interior defender that Kendrick Perkins is (and is still a good degree better than Ibaka).

I think Compton struggles to score bad in this series, but i'm still not sure how well Staten Island matches up versus Compton.

KnicksorBust
10-08-2013, 09:11 PM
Anyone who thinks this matchup would be over in less than 6 is crazy because Compton can be a highly capable defender on Durant and has Asik patrolling the paint. They also have a significant advantage at the PG position. To me however what swung this is Compton's lack of perimeter shooting and Staten Island's advantage at PF. With Westbrook-Marion-Thompson-Asik all being below average shooters it limits penetration lanes and that severely lowers the production of both of their guards. With good perimeter defenders like Shumpert and Durant it would be very difficult for Compton to get in the paint or create space from the 3pt.

My vote is for Staten Island. I don't know if the Durant curse is broken but this is a well assembled team.

Shammyguy3
10-09-2013, 11:46 AM
still debating this and will decide at the end of the evening, not that it matters because it seems Staten Island has this in the bag

The_Jamal
10-09-2013, 04:48 PM
Staten Island is the better team, but Bloomis arguments are poop.

bloomis1307
10-09-2013, 08:16 PM
Which one and how so?