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Gators123
10-05-2013, 06:58 PM
:shrug: Might as well have one..

Gators123
10-05-2013, 07:02 PM
Bulls vs Pacers about to start. Should be fun.

5ass
10-05-2013, 07:08 PM
Finally, some real NBA basketball.

TeamSeattle
10-05-2013, 07:46 PM
This is some UGGGLY basketball so far between chi/ind but I'm just happy the NBA is back.

ChI_ShIzzLe
10-05-2013, 08:02 PM
Ya...D-Rose is back.

Clippersfan86
10-05-2013, 08:09 PM
This is some UGGGLY basketball so far between chi/ind but I'm just happy the NBA is back.

When aren't these teams ugly? Defensive minded, bad offense grind out ball. Been this way for years for both teams.

tredigs
10-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Rose has some serious rust, but he's not showing any signs of injury. He should be back in All Star form by the time the season starts.

4milesperday
10-05-2013, 08:29 PM
Rose has some serious rust, but he's not showing any signs of injury. He should be back in All Star form by the time the season starts.

Game 1...versus Miami Heat. he'll probably take a rest for that game because his game is his quickness and we all know what Miami are good at.

5ass
10-05-2013, 08:36 PM
lmao at the big guy

tredigs
10-05-2013, 08:44 PM
Rose layup - showing some athleticism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iZtw_yrYIY&feature=player_detailpage#t=8

Cubby
10-05-2013, 08:47 PM
Rose has some serious rust, but he's not showing any signs of injury. He should be back in All Star form by the time the season starts.

Game 1...versus Miami Heat. he'll probably take a rest for that game because his game is his quickness and we all know what Miami are good at.

That doesn't even make sense.

Rndy
10-05-2013, 09:21 PM
3 mins to go and Pacers have their stars in the game against 2 rookies, a 2nd year, and 2 bench players.... Vogel you better hope nothing happens all because of your hate against the Bulls.

Teeboy1487
10-05-2013, 09:44 PM
Rose has some serious rust, but he's not showing any signs of injury. He should be back in All Star form by the time the season starts.

I agree. He looked great physically, but his game was so off.

tredigs
10-05-2013, 09:58 PM
Pretty excited to see this Warriors team run (even if it's against Lakers scrubs). They're starting with Klay on the bench, so Curry/Iguodala/Barnes/Lee/Bogut. Jackson said he'd be switching up the lineups a bit through the preseason.

5ass
10-05-2013, 10:15 PM
Patrick Beverley made Holiday look like a ****ing scrub this game.

Teeboy1487
10-05-2013, 10:22 PM
Warriors look good. They are going to be hell to contain in transition.

DreamShaker
10-05-2013, 10:29 PM
Patrick Beverley made Holiday look like a ****ing scrub this game.

Dude is such a pest. Reminds me of a Bowen/Rodman type with constant energy and the ability to annoy everyone he plays against. Really throws people off their game.

Vinny642
10-05-2013, 10:36 PM
Rivers ;)

Vinny642
10-05-2013, 10:40 PM
Yeah, Rivers is going to be a PROBLEM

Rndy
10-05-2013, 11:00 PM
wow Rivers came to play best of luck to that guy. I really like that team as up and comers Jrue, Eric Gordon, Davis, Rivers and a favorite role player of mine Morrow love that guy always wanted him on the Bulls.

For me it's all about EG is he going to continue to not want to play there or is he going to get his **** together, and start playing basketball?

Vinny642
10-05-2013, 11:05 PM
wow Rivers came to play best of luck to that guy. I really like that team as up and comers Jrue, Eric Gordon, Davis, Rivers and a favorite role player of mine Morrow love that guy always wanted him on the Bulls.

For me it's all about EG is he going to continue to not want to play there or is he going to get his **** together, and start playing basketball?

All signs are pointing to EG looking very in shape and healthy, and happy.

Teeboy1487
10-05-2013, 11:15 PM
Iggy going to be a monster for the Dubs this year.

shep33
10-05-2013, 11:34 PM
Dubs will be good. Bench is a bit thin, but other than that, they're solid. Bogut looks good on defense and the boards.

Rockets are gonna be real good offensively, on defense their perimeter guys need to do a better job. Biggest weakness for them, plus their bench is a bit shaky, but they'll be fine too

Rndy
10-05-2013, 11:46 PM
Dubs will be good. Bench is a bit thin, but other than that, they're solid. Bogut looks good on defense and the boards.

Rockets are gonna be real good offensively, on defense their perimeter guys need to do a better job. Biggest weakness for them, plus their bench is a bit shaky, but they'll be fine too

If they have a healthy Howard they can fix a lot of those issues trading Asik not so sure you can afford to have such weak offense in your front court with Howard and Asik. But the defense and rebounds might make up for the lack of post offense.

shep33
10-05-2013, 11:51 PM
If they have a healthy Howard they can fix a lot of those issues trading Asik not so sure you can afford to have such weak offense in your front court with Howard and Asik. But the defense and rebounds might make up for the lack of post offense.

I'm not so sure that's going to work defensively very well either. At least against quicker PF's who can shoot 15-18 footers

shep33
10-05-2013, 11:53 PM
Blake... yeesh

Rndy
10-06-2013, 01:36 AM
I'm not so sure that's going to work defensively very well either. At least against quicker PF's who can shoot 15-18 footers

I'm not so sure I agree with that I don't know nearly as much about Howard as I do Asik but Howard obviously won those DPs for a reason. Asik is pretty dam good on the perimeter you wouldn't think so because he looks slow but he actually covers ground. When he played with the Bulls him and Gibson would switch on anyone guards included and stay with them.

I'm a huge Asik fan but feel horrible for him because he left Chicago to be a starting C and now he's once again moved aside for another guy. I wish he would get his wish and get traded to a place he'd get the respect he deserves because he really is one of the best defensive post players in the game.

ThuglifeJ
10-06-2013, 03:01 AM
Rose looked good. I mean physically I forgot how fast he is. Scary

Rndy
10-06-2013, 04:14 AM
Rose looked good. I mean physically I forgot how fast he is. Scary

Apparently he gained 5 inches on his vertical as well. Who would have thunk it you work on your body and your body improves!

PurpleLynch
10-06-2013, 09:44 AM
And tonight I'm eager to see against the Nuggets how the Lakers we'll react. At least the game against the Warriors showed that the team we have now is happy to play together.

Goose17
10-06-2013, 10:38 AM
Rose shutting the mouths of all the doubters. Physically just as good as he was before. I bet Bulls fans held their breath with that collision, he got up in a flash though, clearly over the injury.

ThuglifeJ
10-06-2013, 11:18 AM
Rose shutting the mouths of all the doubters. Physically just as good as he was before. I bet Bulls fans held their breath with that collision, he got up in a flash though, clearly over the injury.

Or clearly over the injury 8 months ago..

ThuglifeJ
10-06-2013, 11:20 AM
Rose looked good. I mean physically I forgot how fast he is. Scary

Apparently he gained 5 inches on his vertical as well. Who would have thunk it you work on your body and your body improves!

5 inches? I might have to call bs on that one

kdspurman
10-06-2013, 11:22 AM
Rose shutting the mouths of all the doubters. Physically just as good as he was before. I bet Bulls fans held their breath with that collision, he got up in a flash though, clearly over the injury.

Yea I think had he come back earlier, he would've still been tentative. Anyone who has had any serious injury knows how much of it is actual mental once you've been cleared to play. He looked great physically

kdspurman
10-06-2013, 11:23 AM
Klay Thompson really played 38 minutes last night?? lol

Cool007
10-06-2013, 10:14 PM
5 inches? I might have to call bs on that one

It's more like 2 inches.

He had a 40inch vertical coming out of the college but in his injury year, he dropped down to 37 inch vertical coz of the turf toe, ankle and some other injury but after working on his knee/body/and good diet, he has gained back his original 40 inch plus 2 inch after strenghthing his knee etc.

Dade County
10-07-2013, 08:14 PM
Bosh came out strong in the 1st... He had the 1st like 12pts for the HEAT.

Beasley & Oden are out tonight.

mdm692
10-07-2013, 09:10 PM
Is It me or does Love look a lot thinner tonight.

Vinny642
10-07-2013, 09:28 PM
Anthony Davis is going to be a problem

Gators123
10-07-2013, 10:49 PM
This Bogut vs Cousins match up should be good..

Clippersfan86
10-07-2013, 10:59 PM
Wow DJ! 12 points, 5 rebounds and 4 blocks in 11 minutes. Doc really did something here to his confidence. Totally different looking player.

Dade County
10-07-2013, 11:00 PM
Warrior fans... Please tell me that klay thompson starts?

Barnes should be the 6th man...

Clippersfan86
10-07-2013, 11:06 PM
Dudley 2 quick steals, no look pass to Griffin for the jam. Then Griffin drains 21 footer.

Cool007
10-07-2013, 11:45 PM
D-Rose 2nd straight game played pretty good. He looks faster than ever, same with his athleticism.

His defense was nothing short of amazing. He is also getting steals, fighting screens and just aware of things that he wasn't previously.

I didn't think this type of injury could make the player this much better? Once he shakes off the rust, watch out.

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 12:21 AM
Clippers defense already night and day better. If starters stayed in instead of sloppy bench I have no doubt we would be up huge by now. I have never seen this much defensive intensity from the Clippers in my life. So many steals, forced turnovers, blocks and forced shot clock violations. It's scary to think how good this team will be when they mesh and get that rust off. Doc said he purposely didn't game plan AT ALL because he wanted to see what they learned defensively in training camp, it seems to have paid off.

In just 21 minutes DJ had 16 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals. Against his arch nemesis Robin Lopez who usually shuts him down.

tredigs
10-08-2013, 02:16 AM
Damn you Wolves, you let the Russians win. http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400491501

Rocky won't be happy about this.

Chronz
10-08-2013, 02:28 AM
D-Rose 2nd straight game played pretty good. He looks faster than ever, same with his athleticism.

His defense was nothing short of amazing. He is also getting steals, fighting screens and just aware of things that he wasn't previously.

I didn't think this type of injury could make the player this much better? Once he shakes off the rust, watch out.

Sounds like hes poised to take over the crown as the best PG in the L

sunsfan88
10-08-2013, 04:00 AM
Eric Bledsoe - 22 pts (10-15 shooting), 5 steals, 4 assists and 1 block in 22 mins of playing time in his Suns debut.

tredigs
10-08-2013, 04:24 AM
Clippers defense already night and day better. If starters stayed in instead of sloppy bench I have no doubt we would be up huge by now. I have never seen this much defensive intensity from the Clippers in my life. So many steals, forced turnovers, blocks and forced shot clock violations. It's scary to think how good this team will be when they mesh and get that rust off. Doc said he purposely didn't game plan AT ALL because he wanted to see what they learned defensively in training camp, it seems to have paid off.

In just 21 minutes DJ had 16 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals. Against his arch nemesis Robin Lopez who usually shuts him down.
I hope this DJ renaissance is a fluke. Much scarier team if he's putting it together. Real contenders and potential kryptonite for Miami, even.

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 10:12 AM
I hope this DJ renaissance is a fluke. Much scarier team if he's putting it together. Real contenders and potential kryptonite for Miami, even.

I agree on being a problem for Miami if it stays. Your honesty made me chuckle. DJ always starts good but this was just weird. He looked like our captain out there and every play he made was high IQ. I thought I was watching Tyson Chandler. Before the game Doc did something very interesting regarding DJ. Instead of designating Paul and Griffin team captains... He sent DJ with them to center court and said "we'll see who wants to become a leader and let them sort it out". He's truly giving DJ a fresh start and all the confidence in the world.

mdm692
10-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Eric Bledsoe - 22 pts (10-15 shooting), 5 steals, 4 assists and 1 block in 22 mins of playing time in his Suns debut.

Yet he's overrated but Beverly is god xD lol.

tredigs
10-08-2013, 04:47 PM
Well, Jeremy Lamb looks turrible. 0-7 from three, just airballed the last one badly. They might have to hit the trade market asap.

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 04:50 PM
Yet he's overrated but Beverly is god xD lol.

Like I said... Beverley is a poor man's Bledsoe. Both elite PG defenders and rebounders but Gawdsoe is better at it.

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 04:52 PM
OKC is in deep **** if guys like Lamb, PJ, Adams and Reggie Jackson dont blow up this year.

mdm692
10-08-2013, 05:09 PM
Like I said... Beverley is a poor man's Bledsoe. Both elite PG defenders and rebounders but Gawdsoe is better at it.

I wasn't referring to clips fans in particular. On the contrary you guys had a lot of positive things to say about him. Ever since he got traded and both LBJ and Crawford made the comment that he was a potential superstar I've been hearing a lot of comments insinuating he's overrated.

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 05:13 PM
I know what you mean, I was agreeing.

WARRIORS@GR
10-08-2013, 05:46 PM
Yet he's overrated but Beverly is god xD lol.
It's still one preseason game.I mean,i also think that he can be something special,but come on.Let's see him doing it in the real games.

Stunner
10-08-2013, 07:12 PM
OKC IMO aren't better than last year . They didn't really add anything at all . Just hoping their younger talent steps up , if they don't they won't go far.

WARRIORS@GR
10-08-2013, 07:35 PM
Antetokumbo drains his 1st 3:clap:

Chill_Will_24
10-08-2013, 07:53 PM
Kirilenko off the bench <3

5ass
10-08-2013, 08:14 PM
Giannis is going to be a special player one day.

5ass
10-08-2013, 08:18 PM
Waiters looks a lot better than last year.

WARRIORS@GR
10-08-2013, 08:25 PM
Giannis is going to be a special player one day.

He has to work really hard,but i have no doubt he will.

I mean,this guy was selling cd's and clothes down the roads as an immigrant here in Greece,just 2 years ago.

tredigs
10-08-2013, 08:59 PM
I just parlaid 2 preseason NBA games. I may have a problem.

I Rock Shaqs
10-08-2013, 09:40 PM
Toronto Raptors B2B pre season champs?!?!? I think so!

Gators123
10-08-2013, 09:59 PM
Drummond with 17 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks in 24 minutes with a +/- of +38

Clippersfan86
10-08-2013, 10:03 PM
Drummond with 17 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks in 24 minutes with a +/- of +38

Best center in the game in 3 years.

RipCity32
10-09-2013, 02:38 AM
I know it's just pre-season but Jennings is such a big upgrade over Knight for us.

Guppyfighter
10-09-2013, 02:50 AM
I know it's just pre-season but Jennings is such a big upgrade over Knight for us.

Brandon Jennings sucks.

RipCity32
10-09-2013, 02:57 AM
Brandon Jennings sucks.

Yeah well compared to Knight like I stated he looks good. I didn't say he was good but he's definitely not that bad of a pg he just needs to not chuck up shots obviously.

Deception
10-09-2013, 03:01 AM
Brandon Knight sucks.

Fixed.

Stat lines

1-8 4 points, 3 steals, 2 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers -19

4-8 15 points, 5 steals, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers +28

I'll let you guess who's Jennings and who's Knight.

No one said he's Chris Paul, he's an upgrade from Knight is all we said.

mdm692
10-09-2013, 03:03 AM
It's still one preseason game.I mean,i also think that he can be something special,but come on.Let's see him doing it in the real games.But lets crown Beverly GOAT because of his playoff performance and 1 pre-season game lmao.

WARRIORS@GR
10-09-2013, 03:35 AM
But lets crown Beverly GOAT because of his playoff performance and 1 pre-season game lmao.
I did not say anything about Beverley in my post.Not to mention he is not getting half the hype that Bledsoe gets,besides being preety close to him as a player,if not better.
Take a look at their per36 and adv stats.Beverley>=Bledsoe so far.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html#per_minute::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beverpa01.html#per_minute::none

RollingWave
10-09-2013, 03:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHKR8DOQuEs

Rice Jr was pretty impressive for a guy that bricked every 3s (granted, the entire Washington team bricked all but a couple 3s.)

12 points in 16 min with 3 reb 2 steals on 8 attempts is pretty good.

GunFactor187
10-09-2013, 06:28 AM
Preseason y'all lol.

WARRIORS@GR
10-09-2013, 09:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSo6M1_ZLc&feature=player_embedded&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded&app=desktop

sunsfan88
10-10-2013, 03:41 AM
Well, Jeremy Lamb looks turrible. 0-7 from three, just airballed the last one badly. They might have to hit the trade market asap.
I think Reggie Jackson will be their 6th man scorer. He looks capable of being a very good 6th man.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 03:45 AM
I think Reggie Jackson will be their 6th man scorer. He looks capable of being a very good 6th man.

I told you Bledsoe was a beast man. How are you liking him so far? Tonight he shot poorly and only had 6 points but still had 9 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals and 0 turnovers. Not to mention the best P/M of any Suns player. Thing I always loved about Bledsoe is he will ALWAYS find SOME way to contribute. If he shoots like **** he's gonna rack up other stats.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 04:42 PM
So both Tim Hardaway JR and Glen Rice JR (assuming thats Glen's kid) were able to come up with timely clutch buckets during this preseason. They should be proud pappies, even if this is the most they ever accomplish.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 04:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSo6M1_ZLc&feature=player_embedded&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded&app=desktop

Looks like a very intriguing prospect.

Chronz
10-10-2013, 04:48 PM
I did not say anything about Beverley in my post.Not to mention he is not getting half the hype that Bledsoe gets,besides being preety close to him as a player,if not better.
Take a look at their per36 and adv stats.Beverley>=Bledsoe so far.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html#per_minute::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beverpa01.html#per_minute::none

So far?

Bledsoe was comparable at a younger age.

WARRIORS@GR
10-10-2013, 04:52 PM
Looks like a very intriguing prospect.His style is very Durant-like,but he doesn't have the offense to come close to that.Looks like a (possibly) improved version of Batum to me.

Clippersfan86
10-10-2013, 06:49 PM
Warriors did you even look at what you posted? Almost identical rebound and assist numbers but Bledsoe destroys him in points, steals, blocks while having better efficiency and overall impact. They aren't even comparable. Before Bledsoe's injury the last 2 plus months of the season he was MUCH better too. As in 20 plus ppg PER 36 and better efficiency.

Gators123
10-10-2013, 10:05 PM
21 & 11 for Drummond. Really looking like hes going to have a big season.

WARRIORS@GR
10-11-2013, 01:42 AM
Warriors did you even look at what you posted? Almost identical rebound and assist numbers but Bledsoe destroys him in points, steals, blocks while having better efficiency and overall impact. They aren't even comparable. Before Bledsoe's injury the last 2 plus months of the season he was MUCH better too. As in 20 plus ppg PER 36 and better efficiency.

Where exactly does he destroy him?Maybe you didn't see what I posted.Beverley so far in their carrer has better:PER,TS%,eFG%,ORB%,TRB%,AST%,BLK%,lower TOV%,ORtg,same DRtg,and his WS/48 is 3x Bledsoe's.
Basically better in every category.
Bledsoe had better numbers this year,but it was his 3rd year,and Beverley's 1st.

I understand that Bledsoe will probably have a breakout year as a starter,and he looks more intriguing at 23 than a 25 yrs old Beverley,but let's not act like he's been soooooo much better so far,because he's not.

EDIT: Btw,can you please tell me where exactly do you see the ''having better efficiency'' stuff?i really want to know.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 01:54 AM
I wasn't comparing careers. Bledsoe was under arguably the worst coach in the NBA and was a couple years younger coming in. At this point, as in last season which I'm obviously referring to... Bledsoe was CLEARLY the better player. Beverley played two years in college AND in Europe, so development wise it's not fair by any stretch to compare him to one and done Bledsoe who was forced to play SG in college, for just one year.

THIS YEAR Bledsoe WAS indeed soooooo much better. Like I said pre injury which slowed him down a ton the last two months of the season, in which stats plummeted, he blew Beverley out of the water even more.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe

Look at pre all star break numbers vs post and you'll see a HUGE disparity. It was entirely because of his injury. The minute he returned from injury he never recovered last year.

RipCity32
10-11-2013, 02:03 AM
21 & 11 for drummond. Really looking like hes going to have a big season.

Beast!!!

RipCity32
10-11-2013, 02:05 AM
Drummond>Val

WARRIORS@GR
10-11-2013, 02:06 AM
I wasn't comparing careers for obvious reasons. Bledsoe was under arguably the worst coach in the NBA and was a couple years younger coming in. At this point, as in last season which I'm obviously referring to... Bledsoe was CLEARLY the better player. Beverley played two years in college AND in Europe, so development wise it's not fair by any stretch to compare him to one and done Bledsoe who was forced to play SG in college, for just one year.

THIS YEAR Bledsoe WAS indeed soooooo much better. Like I said pre injury which slowed him down a ton the last two months of the season, in which stats plummeted, he blew Beverley out of the water even more.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe

Look at pre all star break numbers vs post and you'll see a HUGE disparity. It was entirely because of his injury. The minute he returned from injury he never recovered last year.

All you do is assuming things.Worst coach in the NBA?What about playing under the protection of a HOF and probably top 5 PG of all time?does that count in your book?

Don't be a homer again ClipsFan.I have said it again,Bledsoe is a great talent and has a really nice future.Beverley does NOT have the same ceiling,it's much lower imo.
But facts are facts,in their career so far numbers are very close.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 02:11 AM
All you do is assuming things.Worst coach in the NBA?What about playing under the protection of a HOF and probably top 5 PG of all time?does that count in your book?

Don't be a homer again ClipsFan.I have said it again,Bledsoe is a great talent and has a really nice future.Beverley does NOT have the same ceiling,it's much lower imo.
But facts are facts,in their career so far numbers are very close.

Okay but I'm still trying to figure out where I said anything about their careers? THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW Beverley is basically a poor man's Bledsoe. Both elite rebounders and defenders at their position BUT Bledsoe is the better version of player. Lots of similarities to where it's not unfair to say Beverley is a worse version of Bledsoe. Maybe "poor man's" bothered you so I'll say Beverley is Bledsoe lite.

It doesn't make sense to compare them career wise because as I said above they have such different situations. Bledsoe played behind the best PG in the game, Beverley couldn't even steal minutes from Lin. Beverley is 2 years older, played an extra year in college and Europe so I think he was more prepared for the NBA. Bledsoe got shafted by Vinny every year, trust me I watched it. If a good coach had gotten a hold of Bledsoe his first two years he would be much further along most likely.

5ass
10-11-2013, 02:12 AM
Drummond>Val
Because i might just become a pistons fan again. He better get 30+ mpg though. So much potential there. He COULD become a top 3 player one day. I wouldnt bet on it, but it is plausible with a freak like him.

RipCity32
10-11-2013, 02:15 AM
Because i might just become a pistons fan again. He better get 30+ mpg though. So much potential there. He COULD become a top 3 player one day. I wouldnt bet on it, but it is plausible with a freak like him.

He's going to be good man. People will sit and pick at his game but he can put up big numbers just effortlessly almost every game. Mostly because of his size and freakish athleticism. At the rate he is picking up on the game though he will be a star sooner than later.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 02:15 AM
Drummond is going to dominate for the next decade. He's the next great center.

RipCity32
10-11-2013, 02:18 AM
Drummond is going to dominate for the next decade. He's the next great center.

Hes so awesome man and I'm just thrilled we got him like we did. It's been overdue for this team.

WARRIORS@GR
10-11-2013, 02:29 AM
Okay but I'm still trying to figure out where I said anything about their careers? THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW Beverley is basically a poor man's Bledsoe. Both elite rebounders and defenders at their position BUT Bledsoe is the better version of player. Lots of similarities to where it's not unfair to say Beverley is a worse version of Bledsoe. Maybe "poor man's" bothered you so I'll say Beverley is Bledsoe lite.
Even the last year,which was Bled's best,Beverley has him beat in most avanced stats categories.Beverley last year was in the same level with Bledsoe,so nothing proves he's a poor edition of him.
Well,except your eye test which might be a little biased.

Are you telling me 2 additional years in college and Europe have the same impact as playing almost 19 MPG and 120+games that Bledsoe has played his first two years?Because if you are comparing their 2012/13 season,that's what you're implying.

WARRIORS@GR
10-11-2013, 02:33 AM
Hes so awesome man and I'm just thrilled we got him like we did. It's been overdue for this team.

The Josh Smith addition will look so bad if they loose Monroe. Monroe+Drummond could/should be the best 4/5 combo in a couple years.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 02:44 AM
Even the last year,which was Bled's best,Beverley has him beat in most avanced stats categories.Beverley last year was in the same level with Bledsoe,so nothing proves he's a poor edition of him.
Well,except your eye test which might be a little biased.

Are you telling me 2 additional years in college and Europe have the same impact as playing almost 19 MPG and 120+games that Bledsoe has played his first two years?Because if you are comparing their 2012/13 season,that's what you're implying.

I already explained why Bledsoe's efficiency stats dropped off. Prior to the last two months of the season he was dominating from the bench. Beverley has slightly better advanced stats in terms of shooting but Bledsoe scored a lot more, blocked way more shots, racked up more steals, was a better man defender and still rebounded and passed at a pretty identical level. Beverley surely was not the same level as Bledsoe last year, which is why one got a ton of hype and trade offers and the other didn't.

In Bledsoe's situation yes, the college+Euro ball may have been more beneficial for Beverley than pro ball was for Bledsoe under Vinny Del Negro who severely misused and underplayed him. It's something you couldn't understand because you're not a fan with a vested interest.

sunsfan88
10-11-2013, 04:21 AM
I told you Bledsoe was a beast man. How are you liking him so far? Tonight he shot poorly and only had 6 points but still had 9 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals and 0 turnovers. Not to mention the best P/M of any Suns player. Thing I always loved about Bledsoe is he will ALWAYS find SOME way to contribute. If he shoots like **** he's gonna rack up other stats.
I'm loving it so far bro. Love the hustle! Him and Goodwin are two main players I'm most excited about for this season in PHX. People don't know about Goodwin yet, but they will.

I just Bledsoe would improve his shooting and start learning how to get the FT line either through floppingo juggle drawing a lot of contact. That's the only thing holding him back at this point.

I'm pleasantly surprised by his playmaking skills. I didn't think he had it in him.

Clippersfan86
10-11-2013, 11:48 AM
I'm loving it so far bro. Love the hustle! Him and Goodwin are two main players I'm most excited about for this season in PHX. People don't know about Goodwin yet, but they will.

I just Bledsoe would improve his shooting and start learning how to get the FT line either through floppingo juggle drawing a lot of contact. That's the only thing holding him back at this point.

I'm pleasantly surprised by his playmaking skills. I didn't think he had it in him.

Yea I told people long ago the dude is more of a natural PG than you'd think. Stats suggest combo guard but he has the mindset to pass first and had to constantly be told to attack. His senior year of HS I think the kid averaged 11+ apg before being forced to SG at Kentucky.

Some passes he makes surprise the hell out of me because you don't think he's that good of a passer. Lucky for you guys CP3/Billups will helped him a lot. He uses CP3 tricks now, like the one where CP3 shields you from in front of the defender with his butt.

The Grizzlies probably have nightmares about this kid because of the very hustle you mentioned... along with his heart and toughness. Against physical teams like Memphis, Indiana, Chicago etc Bledsoe will still look like a man among boys. He's just a tough SOB.

The shot is coming along, don't worry he will find it. He went from like 20 something percent from deep 2 years ago, to 40 percent last year and he's always been an elite finisher in the paint and at the rim. Pretty much his only glaring flaw shooting wise is that midrange game where he's pretty awful. If he can just raise it 10-12 percent even to where it's OKAY.. he can score high teens in the PPG.

Dade County
10-12-2013, 09:32 PM
Deandre Jordan is playing at a high defensive level...

3 blocks in the 1st, with 3min to spare.

Clippersfan86
10-12-2013, 11:26 PM
DJ flat out dominant again, against one of the best frontcourts in NBA. Destroyed Kanter with 14 points, 6 rebounds, 7 blocks in just 21 minutes. Doc Rivers will end up being the best thing to ever happen to us. Offense and defense is night and day better. Can't wait till the team makes some people eat serious crow.

Gators123
10-13-2013, 12:17 PM
7 blocks in 21 minutes is pretty crazy

Clippersfan86
10-13-2013, 12:25 PM
Hes so awesome man and I'm just thrilled we got him like we did. It's been overdue for this team.

Happy for you man. He's the real deal for sure.

TimeForAHoliday
10-13-2013, 10:23 PM
AD had another great game today. 23 points on 9-14 shooting, 5-6 from the FT line, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block in 27 minutes.

I'm going to overreact like clippersfan did and call him the next great power forward..

kdspurman
10-17-2013, 09:04 PM
TD looks great, Manu looks like a guy who finally took a summer off. Belinelli/Manu/Diaw off the bench has shown great chemistry & passing. Eager to see what they can do

WARRIORS@GR
10-18-2013, 09:08 AM
Iggy looks reeeeaally good.

east fb knicks
10-18-2013, 10:49 PM
ok i might have been wrong about the bulls :hide: rose looks great tonight against the pacers :speechless:

Rndy
10-18-2013, 10:54 PM
ok i might have been wrong about the bulls :hide: rose looks great tonight against the pacers :speechless:

The most impressive thing to me is the efficiency that Rose has shown. He's never really been an efficient guy but he can shoot now makes everything easier. 32 points off 15 shots 4-7 at the 3, 9 assists and 10-13 at the line

ChitownSports16
10-18-2013, 10:55 PM
Rose did look good^^ midrange and 3 pt shot looks better then ever.

Cool007
10-18-2013, 11:09 PM
The most impressive thing to me is the efficiency that Rose has shown. He's never really been an efficient guy but he can shoot now makes everything easier. 32 points off 15 shots 4-7 at the 3, 9 assists and 10-13 at the line

Not only this game but the previous game as well where he went 6-9fg, 1-2 3pt, 9-10ft, for 22 points in only 22 minutes as well.

He seems to be shaking the rust off but looking dominant while doing it. I didn't think he would be doing this good this fast.

So he was right when he said he is looking forward to being a better/efficient and smarter player with better IQ.

Loving the new Rose. He makes NBA a lot more fun this year among with return of Love and others.

Rndy
10-18-2013, 11:22 PM
Not only this game but the previous game as well where he went 6-9fg, 1-2 3pt, 9-10ft, for 22 points in only 22 minutes as well.

He seems to be shaking the rust off but looking dominant while doing it. I didn't think he would be doing this good this fast.

So he was right when he said he is looking forward to being a better/efficient and smarter player with better IQ.

Loving the new Rose. He makes NBA a lot more fun this year among with return of Love and others.

Future looks bright for Chicago with Rose, Butler, Snell, And Mirotic becoming a star overseas now just gotta hope CHA keeps sucking so we can get a top 3 pick in the draft in a few years.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 11:29 PM
I just realized I'm subconsciously rooting for the Bulls or Pacers to beat the Heat this season. Seeing Rose already at this level is an awesome start to that.

Cubby
10-18-2013, 11:39 PM
Remember when Rose wouldn't be the same? Or that he wouldn't be as explosive? Or that his knee soreness the other day was bad?

Cool007
10-18-2013, 11:39 PM
I just realized I'm subconsciously rooting for the Bulls or Pacers to beat the Heat this season. Seeing Rose already at this level is an awesome start to that.

Don't forget Nets. I think this year it will be pretty damn hard for Heat to get to the NBA finals if they have to face 2 of these teams to get there. Getting 1st seed is going to be HUGE for these teams.

Dade County
10-18-2013, 11:53 PM
I don't no why you posters want the HEAT to lose sooo bad... Even hoping for teams that you are not even a fan of to beat Miami...smh

HEAT against the NBA world I guess.

Cubby
10-18-2013, 11:55 PM
I don't no why you posters want the HEAT to lose sooo bad... Even hoping for teams that you are not even a fan of to beat Miami...smh

HEAT against the world I guess.

Not expecting that to happen is naive.

tredigs
10-18-2013, 11:56 PM
Don't forget Nets. I think this year it will be pretty damn hard for Heat to get to the NBA finals if they have to face 2 of these teams to get there. Getting 1st seed is going to be HUGE for these teams.

That's funny, I actually had a post a couple weeks ago where I was talking about ECF contenders and forgot the Nets, then said basically those exact words in the follow up post. I'd give 'em 50/50 to make the finals assuming full health for all the teams (which obviously won't be the case when it comes down to it).

tredigs
10-18-2013, 11:59 PM
I don't no why you posters want the HEAT to lose sooo bad... Even hoping for teams that you are not even a fan of to beat Miami...smh

HEAT against the NBA world I guess.

"sooo bad" is a funny way of putting it. It wouldn't ruin my week if the Heat won it again, or even that night. I'm more rooting for Chi or Indiana than against Miami this year (in years past, it was opposite). And if it's Miami against any other EC team, I'd probably rather see them move on.

Don't be so defensive, just understand that a lot of fans like to see it mixed up.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 12:03 AM
I don't no why you posters want the HEAT to lose sooo bad... Even hoping for teams that you are not even a fan of to beat Miami...smh

HEAT against the NBA world I guess.

I think it's more of a jealousy thing I mean think about it if you saw a team that had terrible attendance and nobody showed up to games even with a top 5 player and all of a sudden the best player in the world joins a top 15 player joins and all of a sudden people come out of the wood works into a forum and get off on a horrible note by just baiting the **** out of everyone. Wouldn't you dislike that team aswell?

Plus a lot of people don't like teams that win a lot. Bulls, Lakers, and Boston still get a ton of hatred from the past. There are teams in the NBA that won't even trade with the Bulls because of how much trash talk went on in the 90's and the Bulls having a gm that was part of some of it.

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 12:20 AM
Blake has hit 6 18+ footers tonight. It's a got damn shame nobody else showed up to play tonight outside of him and Collison.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 12:25 AM
K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop 1h
DRose has 54 points in his last 53 minutes.

Dade County
10-19-2013, 12:31 AM
"sooo bad" is a funny way of putting it. It wouldn't ruin my week if the Heat won it again, or even that night. I'm more rooting for Chi or Indiana than against Miami this year (in years past, it was opposite). And if it's Miami against any other EC team, I'd probably rather see them move on.

Don't be so defensive, just understand that a lot of fans like to see it mixed up.


I can understand that... But it feels like when the Lakers (Shaq Lakers), or the bulls was winning all their titles, it wasn't this much animosity for them to be broken up.

I mean people are saying that they don't even count Lbj rings because he is winning them with the HEAT (I know they are crazy), but I have never heard anything like that before.

And only if he goes back to the Cav's or another team, and wins it their, then he can be recognize as one of the greatest. I mean thats a lot of hate just for one man... It's not like he cheated on his wife or raped somebody?!?

And I also feel that they added the new cap hits in the CBA just for the HEAT too... The Lakers didn't have to deal with that, when they were over the cap.



I think it's more of a jealousy thing I mean think about it if you saw a team that had terrible attendance and nobody showed up to games even with a top 5 player and all of a sudden the best player in the world joins a top 15 player joins and all of a sudden people come out of the wood works into a forum and get off on a horrible note by just baiting the **** out of everyone. Wouldn't you dislike that team aswell?

Well the attendance thing is simple to explain down here... Diverse ethnic cultural melting pod, in the MIA. Unlike other cities were fan bases grow up in rich tradition for their basketball & baseball teams, handed down from their parents/ love ones; south florida has to many different cultural backgrounds for the community just to single in on baseball and basketball (we have clubs and beaches down here man... the ladies man...lmao lol)

I don't believe we South Floridians will support a losing team in those two sports... That is call wasting money to us, but in other places that is called fandom.


And about the fans coming onto the forum... Yeah, bulls fans and Kobe fans have sadly made me dislike, rose & Kobe (forever) lmao!!!



Plus a lot of people don't like teams that win a lot. Bulls, Lakers, and Boston still get a ton of hatred from the past. There are teams in the NBA that won't even trade with the Bulls because of how much trash talk went on in the 90's and the Bulls having a gm that was part of some of it.

I didn't know that about the Bulls... Thats why they can never get a key free agent.

I feel the same-thing is going to happen with the HEAT then too, damn. But this doesn't seem to stop the Lakers.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 12:39 AM
I can understand that... But it feels like when the Lakers (Shaq Lakers), or the bulls was winning all their titles, it wasn't this much animosity for them to be broken up.

I mean people are saying that they don't even count Lbj rings because he is winning them with the HEAT (I know they are crazy), but I have never heard anything like that before.

And only if he goes back to the Cav's or another team, and wins it their, then he can be recognize as one of the greatest. I mean thats a lot of hate just for one man... It's not like he cheated on his wife or raped somebody?!?

And I also feel that they added the new cap hits in the CBA just for the HEAT too... The Lakers didn't have to deal with that, when they were over the cap.




Well the attendance thing is simple to explain down here... Diverse ethnic cultural melting pod, in the MIA. Unlike other cities were fan bases grow up in rich tradition for their basketball & baseball teams, handed down from their parents/ love ones; south florida has to many different cultural backgrounds for the community just to single in on baseball and basketball (we have clubs and beaches down here man... the ladies man...lmao lol)

I don't believe we South Floridians will support a losing team in those two sports... That is call wasting money to us, but in other places that is called fandom.


And about the fans coming onto the forum... Yeah, bulls fans and Kobe fans have sadly made me dislike, rose & Kobe (forever) lmao!!!



I didn't know that about the Bulls... Thats why they can never get a key free agent.

I feel the same-thing is going to happen with the HEAT then too, damn. But this doesn't seem to stop the Lakers.


I wasn't trying to insult by the attendance thing It's a known fact that there just isn't as big of a sports fan base in Flordia because a lot of people there are retired and have teams of their own, and great weather and just a ton of other things in Flordia besides sports. It's not just Heat it's Marlins, Rays, Dolphins it's always been an issue. But there are some Loyal fans pre Wade even it's just a small but very loyal group of people. I would love to beat the Heat with this Bulls team. But there is a part of me that always does have a soft spot for the Heat because Wade is a guy I got to meet before the fame when he was in High School and my brother and I used to go around Chicago, Indiana, Det, and Wisconsin to watch highly touted Basketball players. Wade was just one of the guys who actually would take the time to talk to us and you could tell even then fans meant a lot to him. My bother always told me Kobe was one of the biggest dicks he even met in High school basketball.

Chicago on the other hand is so Loyal it's almost stupid if I told someone who knew nothing about sports that I root for a team that hasn't won in over 100 years and their losing 90-100 games a year to rebuild I'm not sure they would understand why I spend money to see them lol.

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 12:51 AM
Darren Collison with 29/5/3 off the bench. Still about 6 minutes left too. He had 20/10 last game off the bench. People really wrote this young kid off because of last year.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 12:57 AM
Darren Collison with 29/5/3 off the bench. Still about 6 minutes left too. He had 20/10 last game off the bench. People really wrote this young kid off because of last year.

He was written off? He looked pretty good to me. 16 per 575 ts 505 efg 26 ast 2.2 stl he's got to be one of the top 5 back up point guards. I also have Captain Kirk on that list if you can lock down D Will in the playoffs you're on my list!

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 01:00 AM
He was written off? He looked pretty good to me. 16 per 575 ts 505 efg 26 ast 2.2 stl he's got to be one of the top 5 back up point guards. I also have Captain Kirk on that list if you can lock down D Will in the playoffs you're on my list!

Oh I agree with you... but most people on here said the guy was garbage practically. Fu**... Clippers cut it to 4, lose by double digits most likely anyways. That's with Portland having an insane 29 turnovers. We are beyond shorthanded but still pathetic. 1-15 from deep.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 01:02 AM
Oh I agree with you... but most people on here said the guy was garbage practically. Fu**... Clippers cut it to 4, lose by double digits most likely anyways. That's with Portland having an insane 29 turnovers. We are beyond shorthanded but still pathetic. 1-15 from deep.

Hey *** hole I gave your guy a compliment now give Hinrich one or I'm taking it back. :p

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 01:02 AM
Collison finishes with 31/5/4 off the bench.

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 01:02 AM
Hey *** hole I gave your guy a compliment now give Hinrich one or I'm taking it back. :p

I've always loved Hinrich man. I can't figure out why his role has been lessened in Chicago because he's still a great all around backup. I love his scrappy play.

Rndy
10-19-2013, 01:05 AM
I've always loved Hinrich man. I can't figure out why his role has been lessened in Chicago because he's still a great all around backup. I love his scrappy play.

haha It hasn't been he's likely going to be the back up PG and SG he's still a huge part of the Bulls team. The last few years we haven't had a back up point guard we've had guys like Watson and Nate who could only get their own shot off and weren't really good defenders. I'm pretty excited to have a starting point guard running a unit with Taj Gibson and Mike Dunleavy it's not the best bench on paper but I think they will do pretty well Thibs has shown his benches show up.

Vinny642
10-19-2013, 07:28 PM
Eric Gordon looking nice

WARRIORS@GR
10-19-2013, 08:05 PM
James Jones is such a ****in sniper.

tredigs
10-19-2013, 08:29 PM
Pelicans (first time writing that. Feels like I'm talking about the WNBA) are a center away from being a pretty scary team if Gordon can stay healthy.

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 10:40 PM
Clippers and Nuggets tipping now in Vegas for second year in a row. Both teams have key,guys out.

Clippersfan86
10-19-2013, 10:41 PM
Love Clippers new jersey!

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:02 AM
CP3 is so pissed. He's been jawing with everybody... has 33 points these last 3 quarters including 10 or 11 assists, few rebounds and steals. I love how a couple minutes ago a Nuggets assistant was trying to talk smack to CP3.. Then CP3 hits a contested 20 footer over Miller.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:06 AM
Jamison has to be the worst defensive big i've ever seen lol.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:07 AM
Wow cp3 needs a title asap.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:08 AM
CP3 has a preseason high 39 and ties game with 22 seconds! Dude is ****ing going berserk. 2nd year in a row Nuggets/Clippers in Vegas preseason are going down to wire.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:08 AM
Jamison has to be the worst defensive big i've ever seen lol.

It's between him and Mullens.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:10 AM
Great defense.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:11 AM
CP3 has a preseason high 39 and ties game with 22 seconds! Dude is ****ing going berserk. 2nd year in a row Nuggets/Clippers in Vegas preseason are going down to wire.

He was fouled too.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:13 AM
He was fouled too.

Agreed. So was Collison like 5 times. Inconsistent reffing because Collison shot a superstar volume of 17 or 18 last night lolz.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:14 AM
Collison with 24!

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:15 AM
McGee dumb as rocks hahahah...

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:16 AM
Amazing D by Griffin. Much improved again this year on that end.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:18 AM
28 for Collison off the bench! About to hit 30 off bench back to back nights. Man this game is amazing for a preseason one.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:19 AM
Nice competitive game..That's what happens when you have Doc and cp3.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:20 AM
Nice competitive game..That's what happens when you have Doc and cp3.

I'm just mad we have been so short this preseason. No Barnes, Redick or Bullock who will all be rotation players this year. Redick and Barnes are huge parts of this team. Nuggets short too, just saying our guys needed the gelling. Wow Collison 3! That's 27.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:21 AM
Lol Collison won't stop.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:25 AM
Collison and CP3 combined for like 58 points? Blake Griffin's defense tonight was OUTSTANDING, not just good.

WARRIORS@GR
10-20-2013, 01:29 AM
Collison and CP3 combined for like 58 points? Blake Griffin's defense tonight was OUTSTANDING, not just good.

58?make it 67.

tredigs
10-20-2013, 01:29 AM
Collison and CP3 combined for like 58 points? Blake Griffin's defense tonight was OUTSTANDING, not just good.

Closer to 70 points for them. Surprised they let their starters go for 40+ minutes in preseason (OT obviously), but they're looking good. This is going to be a really great NBA season.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:32 AM
58?make it 67.

God I wasn't even close. I thought the TV said 58, thanks for correction. Damn that's good.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:33 AM
Closer to 70 points for them. Surprised they let their starters go for 40+ minutes in preseason (OT obviously), but they're looking good. This is going to be a really great NBA season.

I think Doc let them go because it was getting so chippy and both teams treated it like a real game. Plus this week he's kept the starters minutes way down mostly. I think it's good to push the starters a bit in a close game so they can gel.

aman_13
10-20-2013, 01:58 AM
The Clippers looked really good, you can tell everyone has respect for Doc and are listening when he's talking. The ball movement was outstanding and Paul was unstoppable..

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 02:15 AM
The Clippers looked really good, you can tell everyone has respect for Doc and are listening when he's talking. The ball movement was outstanding and Paul was unstoppable..

I can't wait to see them with Redick+Bullock to spread the floor and Barnes to make up for some of that ATROCIOUS bench D.

shep33
10-20-2013, 02:20 AM
I don't get why Doc played Cp3 so much. 42 mins? Really? Take it easy Doc.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 02:24 AM
I don't get why Doc played Cp3 so much. 42 mins? Really? Take it easy Doc.

Why not? Game was competitive with a playoff type atmosphere and his minutes have been low all offseason, usually playing low 20's in minutes.

shep33
10-20-2013, 03:02 AM
Why not? Game was competitive with a playoff type atmosphere and his minutes have been low all offseason, usually playing low 20's in minutes.

I just think it's kind of pointless honestly. It's cool that it was a competitive game, but I mean, you still don't want to throw heavy minutes at your best player like that. Especially this early in the year where perhaps guys aren't at their peak physical conditioning. I dunno, it's just strange to me cause CP3 in my opinion doesn't really gain much from such an experience. Blake, okay fine, but with Cp3's history of knee issues, I don't get why he had play so many minutes, especially when Collison was playing so well.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 03:08 AM
I just think it's kind of pointless honestly. It's cool that it was a competitive game, but I mean, you still don't want to throw heavy minutes at your best player like that. Especially this early in the year where perhaps guys aren't at their peak physical conditioning. I dunno, it's just strange to me cause CP3 in my opinion doesn't really gain much from such an experience. Blake, okay fine, but with Cp3's history of knee issues, I don't get why he had play so many minutes, especially when Collison was playing so well.

Maybe so, but at the end of the day considering he now has 3 days off and has been playing low minutes, isn't too bad. Doc Rivers talked about building a trust relationship with players by letting them manage their own minutes somewhat (didn't Phil used to do this?). Tonight he said he didn't want CP3 to go back in but CP3 really pushed, so he basically told CP3 he was going to trust the decision he's making.

You have to protect players from themselves sometimes, but most coaches do it way TOO much. Look at Thibs for example who works the living hell out of his players in all venues. I don't think one big minute game is a huge risk with this much in between games.

Comon man it was the 2nd time in NBA history (first was last year between same two teams) playing on the Vegas Strip! This isn't an ordinary preseason atmosphere. Players really wanted to put on a show.

shep33
10-20-2013, 03:23 AM
Maybe so, but at the end of the day considering he now has 3 days off and has been playing low minutes, isn't too bad. Doc Rivers talked about building a trust relationship with players by letting them manage their own minutes somewhat (didn't Phil used to do this?). Tonight he said he didn't want CP3 to go back in but CP3 really pushed, so he basically told CP3 he was going to trust the decision he's making.

You have to protect players from themselves sometimes, but most coaches do it way TOO much. Look at Thibs for example who works the living hell out of his players in all venues. I don't think one big minute game is a huge risk with this much in between games.

Comon man it was the 2nd time in NBA history (first was last year between same two teams) playing on the Vegas Strip! This isn't an ordinary preseason atmosphere. Players really wanted to put on a show.


Yeah, the Vegas games are always fun. As for the decision, I mean, to me it was just a little strange, not a horrible thing.

The one criticism I have about Doc throughout his coaching in Boston, is that he ran Rondo into the ground some games. I think he trusted Rondo a lot when it came to his minutes, but he could've protected him better at times. I thought he did that to Pierce a little bit too in the playoffs last year.

Rondo tore his knee last year on a back end of a back-to-back in the ATL. The day before he played 40 mins against New York, and then 45 in the ATL. \Although Rondo is only 27, the dude plays so many mintues in the playoffs, and his body has taken it's toll over the years. Who knows if that played any part in the injury, but I think there are times where he could've managed minutes better. Especially with an older team like the Celtics the past two years.

Either way, he's a top coach in the NBA, each of whom have their weaknesses, and I just think that Doc maybe trusts his starters too much at times.

I would say the only good thing out of VDN last year, was how CP3's minutes were managed. He only played around 33 a game, which I think would be ideal, considering Collison back there (dude is gonna have a great season too, and I think he'll get his money next year).

Whatever the case, the Clips are a contender most likely out west.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 03:37 AM
All good points. CP3 changed his body so he can play much bigger minutes this year. Did you notice how ripped he's looking going into this season? Never been more fit in his career. Vinny UNDERPLAYING our starters last year cost us at least 5 games. In the end Blake got injured playoff time anyways so limiting his minutes all year did nothing for him. Doc already said he plans to play CP3, Blake and DJ way more this year. Although I see a ton of blowouts like last year, so they will still get lots of rest probably.

effen5
10-20-2013, 04:42 AM
Poor VDN,

Coaches the Bulls for 2 years, and gets replaced by Thibs (Docs assistant)
Coaches the clippers for 2 years, and gets replaced by Doc....

Dade County
10-20-2013, 09:39 AM
D Wade

25pts on 10-14 shooting, 7 ast, 3 steals, 5-6 at the line.


I guess opposing fans will continue to wish that they never see a healthy Wade during playoff time; because if they do, series outcome will be 4-1 straight through the playoffs & into the Finals (3peat, but should have been a 4peat... Thank Lbj for that one).

TimeForAHoliday
10-20-2013, 12:04 PM
Anthony Davis game winning block yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5VuzqWTH0

Its preseason, but so far AD is proving to be clutch on the defensive side of the ball. He also had a game winning block on Lamb vs the Thunder a few days.

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:05 PM
Anthony Davis game winning block yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5VuzqWTH0

Its preseason, but so far AD is proving to be clutch on the defensive side of the ball. He also had a game winning block on Lamb vs the Thunder a few days.

That was a great play. Were you at the game?

Clippersfan86
10-20-2013, 01:06 PM
D Wade

25pts on 10-14 shooting, 7 ast, 3 steals, 5-6 at the line.


I guess opposing fans will continue to wish that they never see a healthy Wade during playoff time; because if they do, series outcome will be 4-1 straight through the playoffs & into the Finals (3peat, but should have been a 4peat... Thank Lbj for that one).

Everybody knows Wade is a superstar and can play. The issue/complaint with Wade has always been health. He's like Iverson was where he's constantly nursing 2-3 injuries at a time and at times it hurts his play a lot. I can't remember the last time he was healthy.

effen5
10-21-2013, 09:20 PM
Derrick Rose looks ridiculous....actually this entire Bulls team looks like they are ready to roll...

Drose at half 5-9 with 17pts 4asts 2 rebs...He looks unstoppable.

Rndy
10-22-2013, 01:47 AM
K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop 2h
Done with math for tonight: DRose 78 points in last 80 minutes, 50 seconds. #Bulls


Rose has been a freak since coming back but for me the most impressive is his 3 point shot he said it was a lot better but I was skeptical but I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Rose around 38% at the 3 this season when he tore he acl he did nothing but work on his shooting and passing and both have looked better then I've ever seen it.

mdm692
10-22-2013, 02:33 AM
K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop 2h
Done with math for tonight: DRose 78 points in last 80 minutes, 50 seconds. #Bulls


Rose has been a freak since coming back but for me the most impressive is his 3 point shot he said it was a lot better but I was skeptical but I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Rose around 38% at the 3 this season when he tore he acl he did nothing but work on his shooting and passing and both have looked better then I've ever seen it.

30ppg 10apg season for Rose perhaps?

tredigs
10-22-2013, 02:37 AM
Anybody check out the Rockets game? Looks like they had Asik and Howard sharing the court, curious to see how that looked.

Rndy
10-22-2013, 02:49 AM
30ppg 10apg season for Rose perhaps?

doubt it the way the Bulls run their offense I'm not sure Rose will average double digit assists they are always one of the highest assisted teams in the game because they do a ton of ball movement it's not just one guy setting up everyone else it's multiple guys. You have a Center who can easily have a game where he has double digit assists, you have a guy like Boozer who can have 6-7 assists in a game, Butler can get some assists, Hinrich will play point guard and 2 guard assisting guys, a guy like Dunleavy who is a very good passer. There is just too many guys on this team that are good passers and this year they have switched to the read and react offense which means they will pass more then ever.

Rndy
10-22-2013, 02:50 AM
Anybody check out the Rockets game? Looks like they had Asik and Howard sharing the court, curious to see how that looked.

Not pretty terrible floor spacing and Dirk was open all game I really think HOU needs to look into trading Asik for a PF I don't think you can win a ring with this team.

Clippersfan86
10-22-2013, 03:10 AM
Dwight and Asik looked mediocre as a duo. I guess this was Asik's first preseason game and he's rusty but all the issues I predicted were there in spades. I predict Asik will be moved before deadline.

Rndy
10-22-2013, 03:25 AM
Dwight and Asik looked mediocre as a duo. I guess this was Asik's first preseason game and he's rusty but all the issues I predicted were there in spades. I predict Asik will be moved before deadline.

I just never understood HOU getting Howard I think Howard is a really good player and all but I'd rather have Asik + all that cash to get another offensive star to go along with Harden. just my opinion no doubt Howard is better then Asik but I don't think he's 20+ million better then Asik. Asik is a fantastic defender and rebounder just like Howard he's not as athletic and not as good offensively but Howard isn't any post player either.

tredigs
10-22-2013, 11:03 PM
OKC better pray KD doesn't miss any time while Westbrook is out. This team would not win 6 games. So bad.

Clippersfan86
10-22-2013, 11:06 PM
Eric Bledsoe beating the **** out of the starless Thunder. 13 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals at halftime in 16 minutes. Also held Jackson to 5-13 shooting. Somebody remind me why the fu** Jackson has 13 shot attempts at the half? Westbrook trained him how to play PG well.

Clippersfan86
10-22-2013, 11:07 PM
OKC better pray KD doesn't miss any time while Westbrook is out. This team would not win 6 games. So bad.

Yea... no team is more screwed if they lose a star pretty much.

tredigs
10-22-2013, 11:10 PM
Yea... no team is more screwed if they lose a star pretty much.

Mind you that they're getting beat up by the worst team in the Western Conference who are not playing Dragic. With KD in I actually think they'd be up ~8.

Clippersfan86
10-22-2013, 11:12 PM
Mind you that they're getting beat up by the worst team in the Western Conference who are not playing Dragic. With KD in I actually think they'd be up ~8.

Bledsoe>>Durant :p

tredigs
10-23-2013, 12:02 AM
haha this OKC/PHX game is honestly the grossest game of ball I've ever subjected myself to. They're both shooting 36% from the field and are a combined 6 for 37 from three (OKC's 1-16...). Both shooting on top of 65% from the line and every other play is a turnover. Disgusting. I must hate myself.

tredigs
10-23-2013, 12:09 AM
These "delay of game" technicals that are being enforced this season for touching the ball after it goes through the hoop have added approximately 5 minutes so far. And legitimately effected the game. The thought that this could cost a team wins this season is not comforting.

RipCity32
10-23-2013, 12:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pl-GrnbjSKA

tredigs
10-23-2013, 12:46 AM
^Gotta love what Drummond's bringing. My only concern is that with his foul shooting where it's at, his impact is seriously jeopardized in moments that'll matter most.

Deception
10-23-2013, 01:20 AM
^Gotta love what Drummond's bringing. My only concern is that with his foul shooting where it's at, his impact is seriously jeopardized in moments that'll matter most.

He will hopefully improve, it's mental in my eyes, his form is really good and in due time

kdspurman
10-23-2013, 10:03 AM
These "delay of game" technicals that are being enforced this season for touching the ball after it goes through the hoop have added approximately 5 minutes so far. And legitimately effected the game. The thought that this could cost a team wins this season is not comforting.

It's really annoying, I don't know why they thought that'd be a good idea. Most times, the player touches it after a basket and gives it to the opposing team to inbound, or the ref which I thought was fine, doesn't affect game speed. But if they take it and throw it away that's obviously a delay of game. hoping they change that.

tredigs
10-23-2013, 01:08 PM
It's really annoying, I don't know why they thought that'd be a good idea. Most times, the player touches it after a basket and gives it to the opposing team to inbound, or the ref which I thought was fine, doesn't affect game speed. But if they take it and throw it away that's obviously a delay of game. hoping they change that.

Exactly, they need to be able to use some discretion to see whether it actually cost the opponent seconds. In the OKC/PHX game it was T'd at least 6 times, and after 1 they result in free throws.

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 08:19 PM
Dwight Howard still looks like he gets frustrated too easily

Gators123
10-24-2013, 08:26 PM
11 rebounds in 15 minutes for Drummond.

Tony_Starks
10-24-2013, 08:33 PM
Exactly, they need to be able to use some discretion to see whether it actually cost the opponent seconds. In the OKC/PHX game it was T'd at least 6 times, and after 1 they result in free throws.

I'm hoping they're overdoing it just for pre season purposes to try to drill it in. But the entire premise is dumb. It's supposed to be under the guise of keeping the game flowing but tossing the ball to the ref actually saves time instead of him chasing the ball down.

b@llhog24
10-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Marco getting worked by the beard.

Meaze_Gibson
10-24-2013, 09:44 PM
Dont think harden has missed this quarter he prolly scored or assisted on all 26 pts this quarter

shep33
10-24-2013, 09:48 PM
The Spurs just don't care right now... and they shouldn't.

FOBolous
10-24-2013, 09:49 PM
I just never understood HOU getting Howard I think Howard is a really good player and all but I'd rather have Asik + all that cash to get another offensive star to go along with Harden. just my opinion no doubt Howard is better then Asik but I don't think he's 20+ million better then Asik. Asik is a fantastic defender and rebounder just like Howard he's not as athletic and not as good offensively but Howard isn't any post player either.

i think Howard averaging close to 20 pts, 12 rebs, and 2 blocks a game in a "down" year may have played a part in the Rockets' decision-making.

shep33
10-24-2013, 09:50 PM
Why can't Diaw get in better shape?

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 09:54 PM
Why can't Diaw get in better shape?

He's in better shape than his Charlotte days for whatever that's worth lol. He's on the chunky side, when he first came I was a little skeptical, but the guy has deceptively quick feet. I mean he was able to stay in front of Lebron a lot of the times when he was asked to guard him, and that's obviously no easy feat. And that weight made him a matchup advantage against GS when they put a smaller guy, he was able to back them down with ease.

Gators123
10-24-2013, 09:58 PM
Josh Smith with a 3 pointer at the buzzer to win the game :laugh2:

Drummond with 20 rebounds

shep33
10-24-2013, 09:59 PM
He's in better shape than his Charlotte days for whatever that's worth lol. He's on the chunky side, when he first came I was a little skeptical, but the guy has deceptively quick feet. I mean he was able to stay in front of Lebron a lot of the times when he was asked to guard him, and that's obviously no easy feat. And that weight made him a matchup advantage against GS when they put a smaller guy, he was able to back them down with ease.


Very true, me and my friend had a discussion about this lol. His weight is an advantage, and I think the Spurs coaching staff realizes this and hasn't really made him drop that excess weight.

I was just thinking if he really wanted to, he can lose it, and if Pop really wanted him to, he'd do it.

Deception
10-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Josh Smith with a 3 pointer at the buzzer to win the game :laugh2:

Drummond with 19 rebounds

20 rebounds*

shep33
10-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Drummond is a beast

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Reggie Miller still thinks OKC is the team to beat out West. He's got a serious man crush on them. I know they'll be dangerous, but the team to beat, with all their ?s + other teams improving the way they did. Idk...

Gators123
10-24-2013, 10:00 PM
20 rebounds*

monster

shep33
10-24-2013, 10:01 PM
Baynes needs some more rotation mins this year

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 10:02 PM
Very true, me and my friend had a discussion about this lol. His weight is an advantage, and I think the Spurs coaching staff realizes this and hasn't really made him drop that excess weight.

I was just thinking if he really wanted to, he can lose it, and if Pop really wanted him to, he'd do it.

Yea, it's a give and take thing. When Blair dropped all that weight, he wasn't able to muscle people around for rebounds like when he first came in the league. Some guys need that extra cushion I think. Though with Diaw's skill set and IQ I think he'd be pretty decent regardless of his frame.

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 10:03 PM
I wish Baynes & Splitter could combine into 1 player. Baynes brings the aggressiveness and physicality that Splitter lacks, but Splitter is so good in P&R situations and is a really good screen setter & passer.

shep33
10-24-2013, 10:03 PM
Yea, it's a give and take thing. When Blair dropped all that weight, he wasn't able to muscle people around for rebounds like when he first came in the league. Some guys need that extra cushion I think. Though with Diaw's skill set and IQ I think he'd be pretty decent regardless of his frame.

Yeah, very true. Always very skilled, and he has quick feet like you mentioned. Solid role guy.

shep33
10-24-2013, 10:04 PM
I wish Baynes & Splitter could combine into 1 player. Baynes brings the aggressiveness and physicality that Splitter lacks, but Splitter is so good in P&R situations and is a really good screen setter & passer.

Yeah man, Baynes just doesn't give a **** lol, I love it. Dude has attitude, really nice to see in a big man.

kdspurman
10-24-2013, 10:10 PM
Yeah man, Baynes just doesn't give a **** lol, I love it. Dude has attitude, really nice to see in a big man.

Yea and it's nice to have someone like that on a team, like an enforcer type guy. It'll be interesting to see if he can get consistent minutes this year. I hope Pop uses him, Ayres & Diaw at the 3 off the bench

Clippersfan86
10-25-2013, 10:50 PM
In this Clippers/Kings game all 6 field goals have been dunks lol. 3 by DJ, 1 by Griffin and 2 by Cousins. DJ is demolishing early on.

Vinny642
10-25-2013, 11:50 PM
Ended 7-1, Pelicans looking NICE

Clippersfan86
10-25-2013, 11:51 PM
Pelicans look nice for sure. I knew they would be though, look at their roster. 7-8 seed most likely if Gordon stays healthy.

krisxsong
10-26-2013, 02:29 AM
Hes so awesome man and I'm just thrilled we got him like we did. It's been overdue for this team.

You know nothing of being overdue unless you're a Nets fan.

JLynn943
10-26-2013, 02:30 AM
In this Clippers/Kings game all 6 field goals have been dunks lol. 3 by DJ, 1 by Griffin and 2 by Cousins. DJ is demolishing early on.

Ended up being a very good game :)

Vinny642
10-26-2013, 03:38 AM
We were one pick from getting Drummond >:(

IMagine Davis and Drummond together.... my god

Clippersfan86
10-26-2013, 10:27 AM
We were one pick from getting Drummond >:(

IMagine Davis and Drummond together.... my god

Don't want to imagine that at work, will brain orgasm.

Deception
10-26-2013, 11:52 AM
We were one pick from getting Drummond >:(

IMagine Davis and Drummond together.... my god

I was going to punch my TV if Dumars didn't take Drummond. But if someone already did prior, I was hoping Rivers was available.. Glad it never resulted to that

Stunner
10-26-2013, 11:59 AM
The Chicago Bulls the 2013 Pre Season Champs 8-0

Clippersfan86
10-26-2013, 02:16 PM
I'm rooting for the Bulls out east this year. If not only for the sake of league parity. What they didn't have in 2011 that they have now... It's Jimmy Butler. Love his game and he guards Lebron well.

Chill_Will_24
10-26-2013, 02:45 PM
Congrats on the preseason championship.

seriously though Rose looks better than before. The only thing is Thibs is already playing him 30+ minutes in preseason. I can only imagine what the minutes will look like through the season. Butler will average 45

Stunner
10-26-2013, 05:47 PM
Congrats on the preseason championship.

seriously though Rose looks better than before. The only thing is Thibs is already playing him 30+ minutes in preseason. I can only imagine what the minutes will look like through the season. Butler will average 45

He only played 30 mins plus like for 2 out of the 8 games and Rose needs all the reps he could get , they will be smarter about the mins come regular season .

FOBolous
10-26-2013, 08:36 PM
i think Rose's absence was a blessing in disguise for the Bulls. Before Rose got injured, Rose was the Bulls start-all, end-all. Everything starts and end with him. All the other players became complacent and content with Rose doing everything. To beat the Bulls, you just had to beat Rose. But with Rose injured, players were forced to step up and grow. Because of this, with Rose's return, the Bulls will be a more balanced, dangerous team...more so when they were prior to Rose's injury.

Chill_Will_24
10-27-2013, 03:04 AM
i think Rose's absence was a blessing in disguise for the Bulls. Before Rose got injured, Rose was the Bulls start-all, end-all. Everything starts and end with him. All the other players became complacent and content with Rose doing everything. To beat the Bulls, you just had to beat Rose. But with Rose injured, players were forced to step up and grow. Because of this, with Rose's return, the Bulls will be a more balanced, dangerous team...more so when they were prior to Rose's injury.

I agree. Bulls look pretty damn dope. It all depends on if they can come up with an offense that doesnt require Rose to do everything offensively.

The let Rose handle the offense and everyone else worry about the defense thing will not cut it imo vs the Heat. They can shut him down. Butler, Boozer and Deng have to step up and make their shots and contribute offensively.

The Bulls are basically a hyper version if Allen Iverson's Sixers lmao but thats just a lazy comparison by me

RollingWave
10-27-2013, 07:41 AM
Best points differential in the pre-season

1. Rockets : 10.57
2. Bulls : 10.25

PurpleLynch
10-27-2013, 09:20 AM
High hopes for Drummond. I'd love to see him in a Lakers uniform one day...

effen5
10-27-2013, 10:43 AM
i think Rose's absence was a blessing in disguise for the Bulls. Before Rose got injured, Rose was the Bulls start-all, end-all. Everything starts and end with him. All the other players became complacent and content with Rose doing everything. To beat the Bulls, you just had to beat Rose. But with Rose injured, players were forced to step up and grow. Because of this, with Rose's return, the Bulls will be a more balanced, dangerous team...more so when they were prior to Rose's injury.

I agree...not only did Rose get an entire year to just heal but the rest of the team doesn't look scared anymore. Butler was probably the biggest benefit from the injury. I just wish we kept Nate and let Hinrich go....can't stand him. Beware NBA, Bulls are back and they look ****in scary.

Chill_Will_24
10-27-2013, 05:02 PM
High hopes for Drummond. I'd love to see him in a Lakers uniform one day...

lol poor Lakers fans. You might get your wish. He is gonna be a top 3 player soon and in today's NBA those type of payers do not stay in Detroit. NY, LA, or some other huge market for him one day i predict possibly with Kyrie Irving

Chill_Will_24
10-27-2013, 05:09 PM
Duuuuude its pre season. Nets blew the Heat out both games. Chill out. The Bulls defense looks scary as it ALWAYS does. The Bulls are as consistent a team from one year to the next as you are gonna find because of their coaching and defense. However making comments like this after pre season is just dumb

RipCity32
10-27-2013, 06:08 PM
lol poor Lakers fans. You might get your wish. He is gonna be a top 3 player soon and in today's NBA those type of payers do not stay in Detroit. NY, LA, or some other huge market for him one day i predict possibly with Kyrie Irving

Even if he did leave it won't be for another 7-8 years. By then Detroit could be the best team in the league for all we know.

Chill_Will_24
10-27-2013, 06:30 PM
Even if he did leave it won't be for another 7-8 years. By then Detroit could be the best team in the league for all we know.

Oh he will leave imo but like you said not till he becomes unrestricted which will be a long way from now. Enjoy him while you have him cuz he is a beast and huge market teams will be drooling for him in due time same with Davis and Irving

and eh i cant see any team led by Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith being best at anything. You guys will be a playoff team for sure this year though

RipCity32
10-27-2013, 07:18 PM
Oh he will leave imo but like you said not till he becomes unrestricted which will be a long way from now. Enjoy him while you have him cuz he is a beast and huge market teams will be drooling for him in due time same with Davis and Irving

and eh i cant see any team led by Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith being best at anything. You guys will be a playoff team for sure this year though

I know the NBA is different then other sports when it comes to players leaving but Detroit is a huge sports town for a small market. When the Pistons are good we have the best attendance in the league. Johnson,Cabrerra and other good players that love it here but it is the NBA so we will see. I will say Drummond is a good kid though that might just want to stay with something he built here if he does live up to his potential and make us a contender down the road.

Chill_Will_24
10-27-2013, 07:37 PM
I know the NBA is different then other sports when it comes to players leaving but Detroit is a huge sports town for a small market. When the Pistons are good we have the best attendance in the league. Johnson,Cabrerra and other good players that love it here but it is the NBA so we will see. I will say Drummond is a good kid though that might just want to stay with something he built here if he does live up to his potential and make us a contender down the road.

Yea Dwight was a good kid too. Just a fun loving big man who loved Orlando and loved to make funny impressions and... oh wait. At the end of the day, like you said the NBA is different. There is always greener grass. Always. If he wants to win. Better to go to a big market where it's easier to get better players and the owners roll deep and pay to win. Does he want the money and endorsements? Big markets. Does he wanna be an icon? Big markets.

Nothing against Detroit but cmon there is nothing they could ever offer a top 5 player to compare to what he could get in LA and the other big market teams.

Wall, Davis, Drummond, and Irving are players that i have highest on my list of future superstars destined for the world of high profile agents and big markets. Loyalty is dead in sports. Agents run this ****

and yes if he keeps developing you guys are going to be contenders sooner rather than later. That kid is a monster