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SLY WILLIAMS
10-02-2013, 02:29 PM
All Game Times Are EST.

1 Oct. 03 10:00 PM at Coyotes
2 Oct. 07 10:30 PM at Kings
3 Oct. 08 10:30 PM at Sharks
4 Oct. 10 10:00 PM at Ducks
5 Oct. 12 8:00 PM at Blues
6 Oct. 16 8:00 PM at Capitals
7 Oct. 19 7:00 PM at Devils
8 Oct. 24 7:00 PM at Flyers
9 Oct. 26 7:00 PM at Red Wings
10 Oct. 28 7:30 PM Canadiens
11 Oct. 29 7:00 PM at Islanders
12 Oct. 31 7:00 PM Sabres



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J4KOP99
10-02-2013, 03:13 PM
Oh man, it's good to be back.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-02-2013, 04:07 PM
Oh man, it's good to be back.

LOL you never left. You are a diehard! :)

J4KOP99
10-02-2013, 04:27 PM
Haha, I meant in the game threads

J4KOP99
10-02-2013, 04:28 PM
But thanks for reminding me that I spend wayyyyy too much time on this website

SLY WILLIAMS
10-02-2013, 04:33 PM
But thanks for reminding me that I spend wayyyyy too much time on this website

We like you here on the Rangers forum!

NYY09
10-02-2013, 05:15 PM
It feels like its going to be an interesting season one way or another. Lets hope its not the "ok, so, we're scoring even less than last year and giving up 4 a game to boot" kinda interesting...

MJL80
10-02-2013, 08:40 PM
Definitely going to be an adjustment period early, especially with the 1st 9 on the road. If we can play .500 hockey or better during that stretch until Cally and Hags get back, I'll be happy

bsi
10-02-2013, 10:55 PM
Just have to be patient if we dont come out gangbusters to start a new system and new lines could take some time and adjustments

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 12:04 AM
I'm still worried about our personnel and this new system. Healthy or not.

bsi
10-03-2013, 12:47 AM
I'm still worried about our personnel and this new system. Healthy or not.

If that new top line can produce we will be a very good team this year because it will give us three lines deep if scoring. I always felt or left wing was weak and we needed a better bottom pairing. Moore has provided the d depth and hopefully Richards can fill an important hole on our left side that Kreider isn't ready to fill.

bsi
10-03-2013, 10:05 AM
Game day...I am pumped.

nyr2002nyr
10-03-2013, 10:24 AM
Game day...I am pumped.

Same here buddy!!! My son is pissed he found out before school this am it was a late game and he wont see it poor kid

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 01:09 PM
Same here buddy!!! My son is pissed he found out before school this am it was a late game and he wont see it poor kid

Be a good dad and let him stay up late. Tomorrow is Friday anyway.

-And sly, I'm surprised you didn't just put 10 pictures of zucc in the OP.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-03-2013, 01:40 PM
Be a good dad and let him stay up late. Tomorrow is Friday anyway.

-And sly, I'm surprised you didn't just put 10 pictures of zucc in the OP.

That would not seem right since half the game is defense. How about 5 of Mats and 5 of Marc?

Beltrans Mole
10-03-2013, 02:39 PM
Woooooooooo Hockey Is Back!! LGR!

SLY WILLIAMS
10-03-2013, 02:58 PM
woooooooooo hockey is back!! Lgr!


Lets Go Rangers!!!

NYR_NYJ
10-03-2013, 04:30 PM
Finally!!!

SLY WILLIAMS
10-03-2013, 05:28 PM
"I wish we could just skip the morning skate and head right into the game...I am really excited to get going"- @zuccarello36

IAmARanger18
10-03-2013, 05:38 PM
all game times are est.

1 oct. 03 10:00 pm at coyotes
2 oct. 07 10:30 pm at kings
3 oct. 08 10:30 pm at sharks
4 oct. 10 10:00 pm at ducks
5 oct. 12 8:00 pm at blues
6 oct. 16 8:00 pm at capitals
7 oct. 19 7:00 pm at devils
8 oct. 24 7:00 pm at flyers
9 oct. 26 7:00 pm at red wings
10 oct. 28 7:30 pm canadiens
11 oct. 29 7:00 pm at islanders
12 oct. 31 7:00 pm sabres



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We're back!!!! Let's Go Rangers!!!

runnermjr1296
10-03-2013, 07:24 PM
Same here buddy!!! My son is pissed he found out before school this am it was a late game and he wont see it poor kid
when I was young there was no cable (I know I'm old) I used to have the radio under my sheets in bed,my Dad would come home from work about 11:30 at night,we beat Chicago in triple OT in the playoffs (pete Stemkowski with the winner :) ) and we listened to the game together,Marv Albert and The Big Whistle,,,believe me one of my best memories

MJL80
10-03-2013, 07:59 PM
glad it's a late game so I get to watch me some football too :D

NYRangers4Life
10-03-2013, 09:36 PM
Let's Go Rangers!!!

We need a strong start tonight with lots of energy. It seems like years since we last played.

nyr2002nyr
10-03-2013, 10:06 PM
when I was young there was no cable (I know I'm old) I used to have the radio under my sheets in bed,my Dad would come home from work about 11:30 at night,we beat Chicago in triple OT in the playoffs (pete Stemkowski with the winner :) ) and we listened to the game together,Marv Albert and The Big Whistle,,,believe me one of my best memories

Hahah awesome story man. I use to do the same thing with turning the old black and white TV on to listen to Yanks games with my ear up against it. They would always find me asleep in front of the TV in the morning.

nyr2002nyr
10-03-2013, 10:06 PM
OK boys this is it! It seems like the offseason took forever LGR!!

nyr2002nyr
10-03-2013, 10:16 PM
Jesus h already in the box.

nyr2002nyr
10-03-2013, 10:21 PM
No communication at all in the d zone

NYRangers4Life
10-03-2013, 10:21 PM
down already...are you kidding

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 10:25 PM
Stepan needed to be in camp

-what a save

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 10:31 PM
They're definitely moving at a much faster pace but a lot of our guys look rusty. Not even new system issues, it just looks like many of our guys aren't ready to play. Hopefully they will work themselves in as the game goes on

NYRangers4Life
10-03-2013, 10:32 PM
I sure hope so

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 10:48 PM
We definitely had chances

NYRangers4Life
10-03-2013, 10:49 PM
First period impressions: blah

fingerbang
10-03-2013, 10:53 PM
We definitely had chances

They did. Get some goals.

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 11:12 PM
There it is. A pp goal nonetheless. Good pass by Nash and good finish by staal

IAmARanger18
10-03-2013, 11:15 PM
Staalsy<3

Come on boys kill this Pp

IAmARanger18
10-03-2013, 11:17 PM
****kkkkkkk, after a good kill

Beltrans Mole
10-03-2013, 11:18 PM
We just look a step behind the Yotes tonight. It's the first game so I cant get that upset.

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 11:20 PM
Get the ****ing puck out of the zone. Somehow sather assembled a roster that consists of not 1 player being able to get the puck out of the zone. This is one of the same problems we have had for the last few years.

J4KOP99
10-03-2013, 11:25 PM
The pace from the first period is gone. And we still can't get the puck out. It's amazing.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-03-2013, 11:40 PM
Hi guys. If anyone has a working stream please PM me. Thanks in advance. :)

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:02 AM
You don't want to watch sly. The rangers are not ready to start this season.

NYR_NYJ
10-04-2013, 12:02 AM
i love staying up fir this hsit

NYRangers4Life
10-04-2013, 12:03 AM
We want Torts! We want Torts!

NYRangers4Life
10-04-2013, 12:03 AM
kidding btw

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:05 AM
I made a mistake and watched the red wings last night...

We look like absolute ****. Cally better return soon

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:07 AM
Coyotes are the wrong type of team to try and come back from a 2 goal deficit on

NYR_NYJ
10-04-2013, 12:13 AM
Sloppy as effe.

Good night!

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:18 AM
All 4 goals we have given up have directly followed stupid mistakes.

What an awful start to the season. People are gonna use the no cally and new system excuse but our guys that are playing look like ****. They don't looked confused, they look out of shape both mentally and physically.

Phx is just skating around the rangers. As for the offense... Not much to be said. No open ice and the pace got a lot slower after the first period.

It's only one game but this is not how you want to start a season.

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:21 AM
Nash looks just as sluggish as he did in the pre season

fingerbang
10-04-2013, 12:24 AM
Bad start. Still early.

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:27 AM
Richards has definitely held his own though

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 12:30 AM
Nash?

J4KOP99
10-04-2013, 01:04 AM
Very fitting that torts and the Canucks also lost 4-1 tn

nyr2002nyr
10-04-2013, 07:42 AM
Nash?



Who?

nyr2002nyr
10-04-2013, 07:44 AM
All 4 goals we have given up have directly followed stupid mistakes.

What an awful start to the season. People are gonna use the no cally and new system excuse but our guys that are playing look like ****. They don't looked confused, they look out of shape both mentally and physically.

Phx is just skating around the rangers. As for the offense... Not much to be said. No open ice and the pace got a lot slower after the first period.

It's only one game but this is not how you want to start a season.

First 2 i thought were lack of communication and desire

IAmARanger18
10-04-2013, 08:25 AM
At least Nash stepped up and responded towards Hanzal after that hit on Stepan. Hopefully that gets him going.

NYSPORTS98
10-04-2013, 11:38 AM
A new everything so it wouldn't shock me to see a rough 2 months.

Let them learn their system.

IAmARanger18
10-04-2013, 01:40 PM
A new everything so it wouldn't shock me to see a rough 2 months.

Let them learn their system.

It's going to take time, plus starting on the road will help build some chemistry between the new guys and the guys returning to the team. It's going to be a rough first month, but it was during the 2011-2012 season as well and look how that turned out.

puckhead54
10-04-2013, 01:53 PM
It's going to take time, plus starting on the road will help build some chemistry between the new guys and the guys returning to the team. It's going to be a rough first month, but it was during the 2011-2012 season as well and look how that turned out.

Lousy PP, low scoring team. Richards sucked, bounced out of playoffs early again. So last season was no prize. If this season is the same say goodbye to The King and who knows who else.

bsi
10-04-2013, 03:05 PM
Its one game...I didnt get to watch the whole game but from what I saw it looks like they are still adjusting to the differences in the system last year and this year. Things have to come instinctively in the nhl and I think they aren't right now,and it seemed like they were sometimes in between last years system as and this year's. With players slightly out of place and not covering for other players when it was necessary. It will come together but just dont expect it overnight.

IAmARanger18
10-04-2013, 05:30 PM
Cally to return Monday night!!!!!

http://snyrangersblog.com/

Redfish
10-04-2013, 08:09 PM
Its one game...I didnt get to watch the whole game but from what I saw it looks like they are still adjusting to the differences in the system last year and this year. Things have to come instinctively in the nhl and I think they aren't right now,and it seemed like they were sometimes in between last years system as and this year's. With players slightly out of place and not covering for other players when it was necessary. It will come together but just dont expect it overnight.

Hank was outplayed by Mike Smith -- that is really the gist of last night's game, and had little to do with transitioning to a new system, in my view.

I think the team's transition under a new coach is referenced too much in discussing the pre-season and last night's performance. Hank, Stepan and Nash are not at the top of their games yet; those are all big players for this team.

bsi
10-04-2013, 11:54 PM
Hank was outplayed by Mike Smith -- that is really the gist of last night's game, and had little to do with transitioning to a new system, in my view.

I think the team's transition under a new coach is referenced too much in discussing the pre-season and last night's performance. Hank, Stepan and Nash are not at the top of their games yet; those are all big players for this team.

I wasn't using it as an excuse just what I noticed that the players seemed to be in between where they should be at times, moreso in their own end with the wingers,where they would be starting to collapse like they did with Tortorella and then realize they should be out to the point and then get caught in the wrong spot on the ice. It's just not instinct to them yet is all. A couple of those goals were because the forwards weren't exactly where they were supposed to be and the puck ended up getting fired from the slot. I agree with you that Mike Smith outplayed Lundqvist and I'm not worried about Hank, he'll be fine but Nash has to get his feet moving and use his body more to protect the puck. If I'm AV I bring out footage of Lemieux and Jagr and show it to Nash and explain that he has the tools to dominantly bring the puck to the net instead of shooting from the outside. But as I said before it's only one game, a road game against a team that plays tough D, so I'm not really putting too much into it. A plus is that I thought Richards looked alright on the ice and it seems as every game goes by he seems to be getting better and it's great that Marc Staal is our best d after what he's gone through with his eye. Getting Callahan back is a big plus for us, we need some more grit in the top end of our lineup to keep the opposing d men thinking twice about going into the corner.

IAmARanger18
10-05-2013, 10:38 AM
Miller has been sent down to the AHL so Cally can enter the lineup, shocked by it, can't stand Pyatt, wish he was the one sent down.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-05-2013, 10:51 AM
I'm surprised it was Miller as well. Most the media said it would be Fast.

How much are our player moves being dictated by salaries?

Redfish
10-05-2013, 11:10 AM
I'm surprised it was Miller as well. Most the media said it would be Fast.

How much are our player moves being dictated by salaries?

Richards led all players vs PHO with ice-time; almost double that of Nash; had a poor face-off record for the night and finished -1. At times, he looked fine, nothing special; a few other times not so good, but not poor.

But why, oh why, did he lead the team in ice-time? Is he really performing better than Brassard and Zuccarella? As it relates to Miller, are both Pyatt and Pouliot really playing better, or has our old "tie goes to youth" policy been changed to "mediocre veteran always gets benefit of doubt over youth"?

I came across this article which I thought was insightful on AV and his record developing youth; and is timely given Miller's demotion before Pyatt or Asham, for example.

http://blog.nyrfulltilt.com/2013/06/23/vigneault---a-cautionary-tale.aspx?ref=rss

Enjoy.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-05-2013, 11:32 AM
Richards-Stepan-Nash were the 1st line so I'm not shocked that they played the most but the bottom six minutes do concern me. I'm not a NHL coach. I do not have to deal with a GM or a salary cap. I also do not have to deal with the win now pressure.

As a fan I'd try my best to trade 2 overpaid/over played vets. With them gone I would make a kid line and a checking line. It doesn't matter which one we call the 3rd line and which one we call the 4th line. The kids I would choose from would be Kreider-Miller-Fast-Lindberg-Hrvic. Give them all 10 games playing 8-12 minutes a game then evaluate. If they do not look good then switch them out with 2 more kids from the AHL. We do not need 2 full lines of plodding non scorers. These guys sometimes get classified as defensive players only because they do not produce not because they are great defensively.

bsi
10-05-2013, 11:49 AM
Richards-Stepan-Nash were the 1st line so I'm not shocked that they played the most but the bottom six minutes do concern me. I'm not a NHL coach. I do not have to deal with a GM or a salary cap. I also do not have to deal with the win now pressure.

As a fan I'd try my best to trade 2 overpaid/over played vets. With them gone I would make a kid line and a checking line. It doesn't matter which one we call the 3rd line and which one we call the 4th line. The kids I would choose from would be Kreider-Miller-Fast-Lindberg-Hrvic. Give them all 10 games playing 8-12 minutes a game then evaluate. If they do not look good then switch them out with 2 more kids from the AHL. We do not need 2 full lines of plodding non scorers. These guys sometimes get classified as defensive players only because they do not produce not because they are great defensively.

The only two that are really NHL ready to make any sort of impact at all are Fast and Miller imo. I think you might be putting the cart before the horse. I think the whole Kreider experience should have taught us not to rush players into the lineup. I actually like the way things are going here as we are giving our young players proper time to develop and when they are ready they will be brought up but from what I saw in preseason, and thats against split squads, only Fast and Miller were consistant in every game they played, even though Miller had a shortened camp they were the only two that never really had mental lapses or a fall off from their first game and maybe thr shortened camp dictated his demotion over Fast as the coach has seen Fast consistantly play over a longer period. As you mentioned before, the cap and win now puts a lot of pressure to do things you might not be comfortable with but i am happy the team is looking at where the player is at in their development instead of looking at our first road game and being reactionary. Maybe we tank with the group we have but its still no reason to stunt the growth of a young player, but thats just my opinion.

J4KOP99
10-05-2013, 12:36 PM
Watching Pyatt and Boyle play together is painful

Redfish
10-05-2013, 12:57 PM
Watching Pyatt and Boyle play together is painful

Being a fan of this team under the leadership of Sather is what's most painful.

bsi
10-05-2013, 01:01 PM
Watching Pyatt and Boyle play together is painful

I think Pyatt should have been let go really, but I think AV had good luck with him before and is hoping lightning strikes twice I guess. If there was a way to get rid of Pyatt I would be on board, with Boyle he was the only one on the team that could win a faceoff the other night so atleast he has that going for him. I keep Fast on the team after Cally and hagelin back and let Pyatt play in connecticut

notoriousbig21
10-05-2013, 01:26 PM
Random question...but why did the NHL decide to do the 16-14 team conference split? I get that it is open for expansion but how is it fair that 8/14 teams get into the playoffs in the West? They could have easily just left DET in the central for rivalry purposes and had it 15-15...

SLY WILLIAMS
10-05-2013, 02:19 PM
Random question...but why did the NHL decide to do the 16-14 team conference split? I get that it is open for expansion but how is it fair that 8/14 teams get into the playoffs in the West? They could have easily just left DET in the central for rivalry purposes and had it 15-15...

That is a good question. I'm not sure how it all works but I think its something like the top 3 teams in all 4 divisions make the playoffs. So that is 12 teams with 6 in each conference. Then the next 2 spots in each conference go by most points. I'm not sure how it will effect us but we will be battling an extra team for 1 of 8 slots as you pointed out.

bsi
10-05-2013, 02:28 PM
Random question...but why did the NHL decide to do the 16-14 team conference split? I get that it is open for expansion but how is it fair that 8/14 teams get into the playoffs in the West? They could have easily just left DET in the central for rivalry purposes and had it 15-15...

I think the purpose was to leave room for expansion without realigning the conferences again.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-05-2013, 07:25 PM
A couple of quick thoughts.

1. I think many fans have seen some of the overpriced vets for 1-3 seasons so they are not necessarily reacting to just 1 game.

2. I would not put players like Kreider on the first line. I never liked that idea in the preseason. I would form a kids line be it the 3rd line or the 4th line. I would rotate 6 young guys (Kreider-Fast-Miller-Lindberg-Hrvic-Kristo) around every 10 games. I would let them know that there would be a rotation around every 10 games. This way they know they are coming up to learn not only during games but in practice. The majority of their games would probably still be in the AHL but this would give them a chance to grow and learn without so much pressure. I do not think it would stunt their growth. Some of our prospects are already 23-24 years old. They should be mature enough mentally to accept the idea of a kids line. I think the kids would bond this way and not feel the AHL time was a punishment since they would know they would get another chance in a month or two.

bsi
10-06-2013, 01:20 PM
A couple of quick thoughts.

1. I think many fans have seen some of the overpriced vets for 1-3 seasons so they are not necessarily reacting to just 1 game.

2. I would not put players like Kreider on the first line. I never liked that idea in the preseason. I would form a kids line be it the 3rd line or the 4th line. I would rotate 6 young guys (Kreider-Fast-Miller-Lindberg-Hrvic-Kristo) around every 10 games. I would let them know that there would be a rotation around every 10 games. This way they know they are coming up to learn not only during games but in practice. The majority of their games would probably still be in the AHL but this would give them a chance to grow and learn without so much pressure. I do not think it would stunt their growth. Some of our prospects are already 23-24 years old. They should be mature enough mentally to accept the idea of a kids line. I think the kids would bond this way and not feel the AHL time was a punishment since they would know they would get another chance in a month or two.

Personally I would rather them get top line minutes in the AHL and build some confidence instead of playing 10 minutes a game on the third line in the NHL. I also think some of our expectations of our prospects is a little biased. Out of all our prospects, Kreider is the only one that has potential to be a bonefide 1st line guy but most likely a 2nd line guy. Miller could turn into a top 6 but I don't see it yet. Most are all just 3rd line guys really. Fast, Lindberg etc aren't future stars, they nice complimentary players but they wont be confused with the MacKinnons or Drouin's of the league. I just find our cupboards to be kind of bare, there are no more Stepan's left in our minor system. It says a lot when Newbury leads the team every year in scoring in Connecticut. We need to find a way to restock the minors and maybe this goes to what you were talking about and trading some vets, but the ones we would trade wont get us a much needed 1st round pick. Maybe we think McIlrath or Allen is ready next year and we can tradr DelZotto but I really think he will prove himself this year.

Having said all that its two schools of thought and sometimes one works better than the other depending on the quality, work ethic and mental toughness of the players. So while I disagree in general its possible your theory could work depending on the players involved.

Redfish
10-06-2013, 02:17 PM
I have yet to see a rationale explanation for Pyatt being retained on the 3rd line over either Kreider or Miller, and I personally am of the view that at certain points of their development, 10-12 minutes on the 3rd line at the NHL are better than 18-20 minutes on 1st or 2nd lines at the AHL.

I will try to reserve some patience here because, for all I know, Sather/AV are biding time to off-load some 3rd/4th line forwards so guys like Fast/Miller/Kreider/Lindberg/Hrivik have a legitimate shot at 20-40 games in the NHL this season.

A 3rd line comprised of rookies, or a modified version with Richards as their center/mentor, makes more sense than what I am seeing so far and, frankly, I think it makes for a better product on the ice.

bsi
10-06-2013, 02:56 PM
I have yet to see a rationale explanation for Pyatt being retained on the 3rd line over either Kreider or Miller, and I personally am of the view that at certain points of their development, 10-12 minutes on the 3rd line at the NHL are better than 18-20 minutes on 1st or 2nd lines at the AHL.

I will try to reserve some patience here because, for all I know, Sather/AV are biding time to off-load some 3rd/4th line forwards so guys like Fast/Miller/Kreider/Lindberg/Hrivik have a legitimate shot at 20-40 games in the NHL this season.

A 3rd line comprised of rookies, or a modified version with Richards as their center/mentor, makes more sense than what I am seeing so far and, frankly, I think it makes for a better product on the ice.

I agree Pyatt should be gone but as I said before it's only Miller and Fast who are NHL ready at this point. Also its way too early to judge anything the team does anyway.

bsi
10-06-2013, 07:31 PM
Asham in for Fast tomorrow night, playing the Kings this is probably the right move.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-06-2013, 07:49 PM
Seems like a week since our last game. I thought it was tonight. Ughhhhhhh lol

bsi
10-06-2013, 09:42 PM
Seems like a week since our last game. I thought it was tonight. Ughhhhhhh lol

Things will get going better this week. Hope Callahan isnt rushing things.

nyr2002nyr
10-07-2013, 09:22 AM
Being a fan of this team under the leadership of Sather is what's most painful.

:clap: I second that

nyr2002nyr
10-07-2013, 09:24 AM
I think the purpose was to leave room for expansion without realigning the conferences again.

expansion expansion expansion that is a effing Joke this League needs 5-6 less teams not more

bsi
10-07-2013, 12:09 PM
I think the purpose was to leave room for expansion without realigning the conferences again.

expansion expansion expansion that is a effing Joke this League needs 5-6 less teams not more

I agree with you I actually liked the league best when it had 21 teams but what can you do they are watering the teams down with everyone carrying AHL players on their 4th lines and its all for money.

nyr2002nyr
10-07-2013, 12:29 PM
I agree with you I actually liked the league best when it had 21 teams but what can you do they are watering the teams down with everyone carrying AHL players on their 4th lines and its all for money.

I know man its awful. But the playoff spot thing really sucks i cant believe they did that. And i hate that 5 of the original 6 are in the east

IAmARanger18
10-07-2013, 06:11 PM
Need a win tonight, hopefully Cally provides some energy to the team and wakes them up.

bsi
10-07-2013, 06:56 PM
This game may as well start tomorrow...11:30 start time is ugly

Redfish
10-07-2013, 07:47 PM
This game may as well start tomorrow...11:30 start time is ugly

I am pretty sure it is a 10:30pm est start; small consolation

bsi
10-07-2013, 08:23 PM
This game may as well start tomorrow...11:30 start time is ugly

I am pretty sure it is a 10:30pm est start; small consolation

I am on Atlantic time tho...brutal

J4KOP99
10-07-2013, 09:15 PM
Yeah 1030 pm est.

bsi
10-07-2013, 11:09 PM
Yeahhhhh Richards!!!

nyr2002nyr
10-07-2013, 11:09 PM
Richards!!!! Nice play by Steps to keep it in

nyr2002nyr
10-07-2013, 11:48 PM
They are playing a great 2nd right now but they gotta finish some of these

J4KOP99
10-07-2013, 11:49 PM
This is what teams must feel like when they play against lundqvist. Damn you quick

J4KOP99
10-07-2013, 11:52 PM
Just because your on a pp doesn't mean you need to force it into the zone. Not worth it if you're going to immediately lose the puck

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 12:00 AM
Richards!

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 12:01 AM
Damn did we deserve that one

bsi
10-08-2013, 12:03 AM
Team looks great tonight

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 12:06 AM
Spoke to soon. We must not have liked the idea of a 2 goal lead. God damn, these mistakes in our own end have been a major problem for us for about a year now.

-finish that zucc!

bsi
10-08-2013, 12:12 AM
When ya play up tempo you are bound to make a few mistakes but they are really impressing me overall

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 12:17 AM
Jesus h my heart can take this

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 12:18 AM
They totally lost momentum

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 12:18 AM
This power play is ****ing awful. The same exact **** as years past. They just don't have the correct personnel. And Boyle doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the ice on the pp.

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 12:22 AM
This power play is ****ing awful. The same exact **** as years past. They just don't have the correct personnel. And Boyle doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the ice on the pp.

It hasn't been good but it's game 2 so I'm not jump to conclusions just yet

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 12:41 AM
Nash is getting robbed tn

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 12:45 AM
Lol

bsi
10-08-2013, 01:44 AM
Thats a bonifide stanley cup contender we just outplayed for nearly 60 mins, I will take that win. Hopefully they saved enough for tomorrow night. All lines looked good tonight. hard to complain.

sacgiants1213
10-08-2013, 01:49 AM
Congrats to AV. Glad to see him get his first W. Torts beat him to win #1 tho :p

IAmARanger18
10-08-2013, 08:08 AM
My boy Richie with 2 goals last night!!

Carry this momentum into tonight now.

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 08:09 AM
For all of you guys who always want to TRADE Cally just know he is the engine running this ship always has been!

he is the guy who has that it factor people follow. They still made mistakes just like last game but the fore check was unreal all night and he set the tone early and often

Redfish
10-08-2013, 09:10 AM
For me, the biggest development that could impact the entire season is Richards' performance level. I've been critical of the decision to retain him, and his role on the team, but if the first two games are an indication, by and large, of how prepared and effective he can be, he will prove me badly wrong. Hoping this will be the case :)

runnermjr1296
10-08-2013, 09:17 AM
We looked terrific tonight,it seemed we were a step ahead all night

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 09:58 AM
For me, the biggest development that could impact the entire season is Richards' performance level. I've been critical of the decision to retain him, and his role on the team, but if the first two games are an indication, by and large, of how prepared and effective he can be, he will prove me badly wrong. Hoping this will be the case :)

I agree he was good it was also his man who scored the goal in our zone

IAmARanger18
10-08-2013, 10:06 AM
Keeping Richards was the right decision, I said it all along. Yes it's only 2 games in, but he looked good in preseason as well. I'm also a little biased since I have been a huge fan of his since he came into the league.

Also noted, I wore my Richards Winter Classic jersey last night and he scored two goals, which means I now have to wear it every time I go out to watch a game and when I go to the home opener :)

bsi
10-08-2013, 10:30 AM
Your star players have to be stars and if this team is going to be successful its going to be on the backs of Hank, Nash, Richards, Callahan and our D as a whole. I love the rest of the team and the way they played but your stars make the difference each night. I said it repeadedly last year that we weren't going anywhere without getting Richards and Gaborik going. Its one game but I really liked how our speed was giving the all star d of the Kings problems coming out of their own end. I also liked our two passes out of our own end and we're gone mainly because our forwards arent caught too low. The team looked good last night, back to back games should give a different look tonight, but hopefully not. I like the direction this team is going, and I really do believe in the clean slate mentality the coach has instilled, Asham got a chance to prove his worth last night as well and I thought he did a good job for us for his first game.

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 01:37 PM
It's extremely rare that everyone on the team has a good night, but that was the case against LA. A truly dominant performance from the Rangers. Aside from three ****** PP's and a bad giveaway in their own zone, that was one of the best performances in a couple years.


One major change I noticed from both game 1 and the last couple years was a delayed breakout that Ulf clearly implemented. Instead of panicking in our own zone when we get the puck and trying to immediately throw the puck out of the zone, our guys are passing it back to the defense and they are waiting for everyone to clear. There were a few cases when one of our guys sat behind the net for 10+ seconds. It was really nice to watch. It also is the beginning piece to having a puck possession-type offense.

Lastly, it really is amazing the difference that Callahan has. others have already brought it up but the team looked completely different. The passing was crisper, the spacing was great, the neutral zone defense was amazing, and the forecheck was the best I have seen in a long time. I worry about tonight's game only because it was a back-to-back but AV definitely made a conscience effort of running 4 lines... and to my surprise, all 4 lines contributed.


...Pyatt must have heard us talking **** about him last night. Him, Zucc, Richards, and Nash had dominant games.

IAmARanger18
10-08-2013, 02:06 PM
Nash might have been the best player on the ice last night. The man was everywhere, 2 assists, was strong on the puck, was robbed by Quick multiple times. This is the Rick Nash we traded for from Columbus, this is the Nash I want to see night in and night out. That fight may have lit a spark under his ***.

bsi
10-08-2013, 05:42 PM
It's extremely rare that everyone on the team has a good night, but that was the case against LA. A truly dominant performance from the Rangers. Aside from three ****** PP's and a bad giveaway in their own zone, that was one of the best performances in a couple years.


One major change I noticed from both game 1 and the last couple years was a delayed breakout that Ulf clearly implemented. Instead of panicking in our own zone when we get the puck and trying to immediately throw the puck out of the zone, our guys are passing it back to the defense and they are waiting for everyone to clear. There were a few cases when one of our guys sat behind the net for 10+ seconds. It was really nice to watch. It also is the beginning piece to having a puck possession-type offense.

Lastly, it really is amazing the difference that Callahan has. others have already brought it up but the team looked completely different. The passing was crisper, the spacing was great, the neutral zone defense was amazing, and the forecheck was the best I have seen in a long time. I worry about tonight's game only because it was a back-to-back but AV definitely made a conscience effort of running 4 lines... and to my surprise, all 4 lines contributed.


...Pyatt must have heard us talking **** about him last night. Him, Zucc, Richards, and Nash had dominant games.

While I agree that cally adds a spark, the crisper passing and forecheck was mainly a team that has learned how the coach wants to play. Adding Callahan fills a very important hole for this team and I am unsure what our lines look like longterm, I cant see Cally staying on the 3rd line. Hopefully the effort continues from everyone, if that 1st line plays like that all year we might see Rick Nash get 40 g's.

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 05:48 PM
Bsi, did you notice what I was talking about with the slower break out from our defensive end?

bsi
10-08-2013, 05:55 PM
Bsi, did you notice what I was talking about with the slower break out from our defensive end?

Ya...liked that they dictated the play instead of taking off before everyone was on the same page for sure. L.A fans weren't a fan of it though haha

IAmARanger18
10-08-2013, 08:40 PM
2 more hours!

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 10:46 PM
What the hell is that ref doing?

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 10:47 PM
But that's such a ****** goal to give up

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 10:54 PM
I may not stay up for this one...

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 10:54 PM
Our luck from last night seems to have run out haha

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 10:57 PM
It was 1-0 when I turned it on and now it's 2-1 I'm might have to shut it off if it goes to 3-1

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 10:58 PM
This looks like its about to get out of hand

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:15 PM
We have given up about 4 really good short handed chances in the last 1 1/3 games. And we have given up a sh tn.

Not only for we need get anything on our pp but we give up way too many chances for the other team

nyr2002nyr
10-08-2013, 11:17 PM
Being outshot 2-1 not a good sign boys

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:35 PM
Great, Nash out!

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:36 PM
Hope that's not a concussion and they are just being really cautious

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:44 PM
this is embarrassing

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:46 PM
nite nite

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:47 PM
It was just a matter of time. Gonna end up losing 5 or 6-1

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:47 PM
Lol. Please take lundqvist out. Get him rest

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:48 PM
oh **** off

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:48 PM
There we go

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:48 PM
Tough game to have on a back to back.

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:49 PM
26 shot 1/2 way through the game. LOL

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:50 PM
This is a ****ing embarrassment

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:52 PM
Not to go crazy but these goal outbursts has happened way too often in pre-season and now the regular season.

NYR_NYJ
10-08-2013, 11:53 PM
This is a ****ing embarrassment

Yeah the fact that I'm watching is embarrassing

bsi
10-08-2013, 11:59 PM
I felt this game would be a let down..brutal with Nash out. Who is gonna replace even 50 percent of him? Jeeeeebus another goal.

J4KOP99
10-08-2013, 11:59 PM
Team didnt come to play tonight. Absolutely unacceptable. 3rd game of a new season with a new coach.

fingerbang
10-09-2013, 12:06 AM
Cally showed up. One of the biggest *** kickings I've seen.

bsi
10-09-2013, 12:11 AM
Brad Richards is playing well too. We are in trouble if Nash is out for a while though.

nyr2002nyr
10-09-2013, 08:39 AM
And yes i am glad i shut it off after 2-1 :clap:

SLY WILLIAMS
10-09-2013, 02:26 PM
The Sharks started the season on fire. 17 goals for and only 4 against.

Some of these Western teams look so fast.

MJL80
10-09-2013, 03:18 PM
And yes i am glad i shut it off after 2-1 :clap:

LOL..... Glad I fell asleep! #When I woke up this morning, I thought that debacle was a bad dream, but they really did get spanked LOL. Got abused by the "islander fans" in the office all day, who are now bragging about having the best record in the NHL 3 games in... FML

bsi
10-09-2013, 03:56 PM
I guess if Nash misses some time we're likely looking at Callahan on that top line. Apparently Fast will be the call up if that happens since Miller was already sent down and he'd likely take Callahan's spot on #3 line. Changes the whole dynamic of the top line though. Richards will draw more coverage without Nash.

JdKing7
10-09-2013, 05:25 PM
I know we played the complete **** the whole game. I know our power play has been trash the past few years, but, doesn't it seem like we are giving up way to many short-handed chances. I didn't watch the whole game last night (thank god) but it seems like almost every power play we have we turn the puck over and it leads into a fast break or a breakaway. It happened in the Kings game the night before too. The Rangers had to be burnt out for last nights game. The Sharks were all over every loose puck an seemed a few steps quicker than the rangers. Couldn't get the puck deep into the zone or barely create any chances especially at the rate san jose was. It just looked like a high school team against the stanley cupchampions. San Jose has a good team and they are playing good hockeyto start the season but that was pretty embarrasing. San Jose might be that good but hopefully we were just that tired. They need to get their legs underneath them fast.

J4KOP99
10-09-2013, 05:43 PM
Any news on Nash?

bsi
10-09-2013, 05:49 PM
I know we played the complete **** the whole game. I know our power play has been trash the past few years, but, doesn't it seem like we are giving up way to many short-handed chances. I didn't watch the whole game last night (thank god) but it seems like almost every power play we have we turn the puck over and it leads into a fast break or a breakaway. It happened in the Kings game the night before too. The Rangers had to be burnt out for last nights game. The Sharks were all over every loose puck an seemed a few steps quicker than the rangers. Couldn't get the puck deep into the zone or barely create any chances especially at the rate san jose was. It just looked like a high school team against the stanley cupchampions. San Jose has a good team and they are playing good hockeyto start the season but that was pretty embarrasing. San Jose might be that good but hopefully we were just that tired. They need to get their legs underneath them fast.

San Jose is a good team who is used to their system. Our team is a work in progress and early on we are bound to have a stinker or two but I believe we saw in L.A what our system is capable of achieving if everyone is on board and working hard and together. Give it some time, the unfortunate thing is that we are on the road so much to start there isn't a lot of time for proper practice to straighten things out. It will come together and this team I believe if healthy is capable of a good playoff run. We need everyone healthy though.

nyr2002nyr
10-09-2013, 06:17 PM
LOL..... Glad I fell asleep! #When I woke up this morning, I thought that debacle was a bad dream, but they really did get spanked LOL. Got abused by the "islander fans" in the office all day, who are now bragging about having the best record in the NHL 3 games in... FML

When i woke up i asked my son what the score was and he said "dont even look" just know they lost" and he is 7!!!! So of course i went and looked asap. I cant say im shocked with they way it was going. All 3 games they have looked like a different team in each game.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 10:57 AM
Seems like we start out something like 1-3 every season. With 9 straight road games to open the season I was thinking a realistic goal would be 4 wins. With 5 games to go we will have to go 3-2 to make my original goal.

IAmARanger18
10-10-2013, 01:37 PM
Cally has been moved up to line 1, Fast is coming back in the lineup, hopefully on line 3. Keep line 4 the same, they haven't looked that bad. Somebody needs to step up tonight.

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 01:38 PM
What's the latest on Nash

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 01:47 PM
What's the latest on Nash

I have not heard any official word on Nash. Since he was out after the hit and will be out tonight some people are concluding he had some type of concussion. He missed 4 games with a concussion last season so he probably knows the symptoms. Hopefully whatever it is heals fast. All these head injuries in today's sports are scary.

Stuart was suspended.

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 03:12 PM
Yeah stuart got 3 games

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 03:38 PM
Sounds like we have some new lines.

I'm not sure this is accurate but I read

Pou-Rich-Cally
Boyle-Brass-Mats
Pyatt-Step-Fast
Asham-Moore-Dorsett

Boyle up to the 2nd line?
Stepan down to the 3rd line?

redwhiteandblue
10-10-2013, 03:47 PM
I gotta be honest, those are some wacky lookin lines.

Steps to the third line interests me.

bsi
10-10-2013, 04:37 PM
Sounds like we have some new lines.

I'm not sure this is accurate but I read

Pou-Rich-Cally
Boyle-Brass-Mats
Pyatt-Step-Fast
Asham-Moore-Dorsett

Boyle up to the 2nd line?
Stepan down to the 3rd line?

That's what I got too. Stepan hasn't looked really good yet and maybe this is a result of missing most of the preseason. I really don't know why Pyatt is still on this team, I would put Fast in there until Hagelin comes back but that's just me.
I'm only assuming that Boyle has been moved up a line to counter Anaheim's size but I don't know that it's a good idea as Anaheim's size also has speed. I was actually happy with Richards playing wing I don't know why they didn't just move Boyle to center the 3rd line and Cally to the first but I guess maybe they want Stepan to earn his time or maybe he's not ready for top line minutes yet who knows, I'm not sure the timing of that is the best with Nash out. Boyle is gonna have to get some more scoring chances if he's on the 2nd line, I really think Moore might have been a better fit in that spot but anyway what do I know haha.

NYR_NYJ
10-10-2013, 05:46 PM
Anyone have a link to stream the game tonight.?

IAmARanger18
10-10-2013, 07:00 PM
Nash will miss up to 10 days, earliest he could be back is Wednesday in Washington or next Saturday in Jersey.

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 08:11 PM
Nash will miss up to 10 days, earliest he could be back is Wednesday in Washington or next Saturday in Jersey.

damn, that hurts

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 10:20 PM
Man we suck

nyr2002nyr
10-10-2013, 10:33 PM
They have pretty much switched to the no defense/abandon hank system

fingerbang
10-10-2013, 10:38 PM
That's one way to get the puck out of your own end.

nyr2002nyr
10-10-2013, 10:40 PM
Nice no call at center before another chit goal

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 10:42 PM
Lol. We just cannot hang with these western conference powerhouses. Idk what happened in that kings game but based on the early going this season and all of last year, were really not that good. Our offense is so ****ing bad. We can change coaches all we want but if we continue to have the same personnel, not much will change.

If you were to rank the top 5 offensive players in the game, the ducks would have all 5. Even with Nash healthy they'd still possibly have all 5. We just have a bunch of 4-9 players in terms of lines. Hell, we have about 5 2nd and 3rd line centers.

The roster is just not that good. Torts system really hid a lot of our offensive deficiencies and because it was such a defensive minded system, we would rarely ever get blown out. But with this more open style you can already see the blowouts coming. I'm all for a change in coaches and systems, in fact I liked the decision but what I didn't like was that fact that we kept the same ****ing players. It doesn't make any sense.

We are about to beaten down again. Absolutely pathetic. This season has disaster written all over it. I said it even before the season started. Where is the offense going to come from? This roster is just a bunch if grinders with 1 or 2 seriously skilled forwards.

J4KOP99
10-10-2013, 10:44 PM
And this staff wants to use a puck possession offense but we have no big bodies that can carry the puck haha (aside from 1 guy)

fingerbang
10-10-2013, 10:53 PM
Eventually they'll figure out the defensive scheme but it shouldn't have taken this long.

nyr2002nyr
10-10-2013, 10:54 PM
You can't hang with anyone when you don't skate and are out of position on most plays.

Western conference powerhouse my *** we couldn't Beat most AHL teams playing like this.

NYR_NYJ
10-10-2013, 11:00 PM
I could see slather making a hasty move if they continue this path.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 11:02 PM
We need Lundy to be his absolute best right now and he is not even close.

Good thing my computer is too slow to follow the feed well. It eases my pain lol.

I'm thinking of on getting a faster computer in late November so I hope we are better by then lol :)

puckhead54
10-10-2013, 11:16 PM
'63 NY Mets on Ice

puckhead54
10-10-2013, 11:28 PM
It is officially time to panic.:facepalm:

JdKing7
10-10-2013, 11:32 PM
Man this is painful to watch. I am always pumped to watch the games but from the past two games I am almost afraid to turn them on to see how bad we are getting smoked. MSG was always blacked out on the cable company where I am from so we switched companies to get MSG. Since then I haven't been able to watch a full game without getting so disgusted I had to turn it off.

nyr2002nyr
10-10-2013, 11:45 PM
We need Lundy to be his absolute best right now and he is not even close.

Good thing my computer is too slow to follow the feed well. It eases my pain lol.

I'm thinking of on getting a faster computer in late November so I hope we are better by then lol :)


Very little to do with hank. Except you the dump in goal lol

JdKing7
10-10-2013, 11:48 PM
It's a new system, new coach, and very early in the season but I am not sure we have the personnel to succeed in this system regardless of the timeframe. If this keeps up I expect Sather to make some major moves which can be a scary thought depending how you look at it.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 11:49 PM
Very little to do with hank. Except you the dump in goal lol

Hmmm? I did not have a dump in goal.

Hank is not to blame for the losing but I can not say that this is Hank at his best. He has had times in the past where he was left out to dry and he stood on his head. That is not happening right now.

puckhead54
10-10-2013, 11:50 PM
Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SLY WILLIAMS
10-10-2013, 11:52 PM
Man this is painful to watch. I am always pumped to watch the games but from the past two games I am almost afraid to turn them on to see how bad we are getting smoked. MSG was always blacked out on the cable company where I am from so we switched companies to get MSG. Since then I haven't been able to watch a full game without getting so disgusted I had to turn it off.

Right now the coaches should play the 3rd period almost like a practice. Try to improve things little by little. 1 shift at a time. Forget about the final score. Break the shutout. Show some fire in a positive way not a Dorsett losing a fight way. Just get some positive shifts to build on for next game.

JdKing7
10-11-2013, 12:16 AM
Right now the coaches should play the 3rd period almost like a practice. Try to improve things little by little. 1 shift at a time. Forget about the final score. Break the shutout. Show some fire in a positive way not a Dorsett losing a fight way. Just get some positive shifts to build on for next game.

At this point anything positive would be an improvement. I defiantly agree with you though. Think of the third period as a scrimmage basically because its completely out of reach down by six. Work on puck movement and defensive positioning while trying to generate offensive chances and limiting turnovers. Hank should treat this as practice too because he is not nearly as sharp in net as he needs to be with the way this team is playing defensively. Hopefully, they can do some positive things in this period to build off of going into the game Saturday against the Blues.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 12:17 AM
I'd consider getting rid of Dorsett and/or Asham. Nothing personal but having those guys lose all their fights is emotionally defeating for the team. Get a guy that if he fights will win his fights.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 12:18 AM
At this point anything positive would be an improvement. I defiantly agree with you though. Think of the third period as a scrimmage basically because its completely out of reach down by six. Work on puck movement and defensive positioning while trying to generate offensive chances and limiting turnovers. Hank should treat this as practice too because he is not nearly as sharp in net as he needs to be with the way this team is playing defensively. Hopefully, they can do some positive things in this period to build off of going into the game Saturday against the Blues.

Problem as the Ducks announcers pointed out is the new CBA doesnt even allow the team to practice on off days on the road. So we did not get a practice yesterday and I dont think we will get one tomorrow.

bsi
10-11-2013, 12:20 AM
This road trip is tough. Playing top teams with little time to practice a new system without Nash n haggy is tough. Hopefully they get things straightened out soon.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 12:44 AM
Hahaha the big bad Ducks could not even score on us in the 3rd period. Just goes to show they got lucky in the first two periods. :)

sacgiants1213
10-11-2013, 12:50 AM
Hahaha the big bad Ducks could not even score on us in the 3rd period. Just goes to show they got lucky in the first two periods. :)

Want to trade coaches?

IAmARanger18
10-11-2013, 08:36 AM
I can't even put into words how I feel right now, last nights game was comical, to say the least.

nyr2002nyr
10-11-2013, 08:42 AM
Hmmm? I did not have a dump in goal.

Hank is not to blame for the losing but I can not say that this is Hank at his best. He has had times in the past where he was left out to dry and he stood on his head. That is not happening right now.


I was referring to the weak wrist shot maybe goal 3?

Nobody can play the best hockey the can in net when its this wide open Sly. We gave up more big chances in one period then a team should have in one game

bsi
10-11-2013, 10:28 AM
The coach had one practice with his whole team together so let's not bury him yet. This road trip combined with stepan's hold out, Callahan and haggys injuries along with Nash's injury now and the fact that AV is getting to know his players is adding up to some bad positioning and things aren't happening without thinking right now.
One thing I will say though is that Hank is gonna have to challenge the shooter more now. He is way to far into his net and he doesnt look quick yet.
Unfortunately a lot of this isn't going to change until we get back to New York, unless the players are able to learn in game.

bsi
10-11-2013, 10:49 AM
Might wanna hold off on that contract extention for Hank hahaha

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 11:00 AM
The coach had one practice with his whole team together so let's not bury him yet. This road trip combined with stepan's hold out, Callahan and haggys injuries along with Nash's injury now and the fact that AV is getting to know his players is adding up to some bad positioning and things aren't happening without thinking right now.
One thing I will say though is that Hank is gonna have to challenge the shooter more now. He is way to far into his net and he doesnt look quick yet.
Unfortunately a lot of this isn't going to change until we get back to New York, unless the players are able to learn in game.

I'm not blaming the coach. Honestly I do not know who or what is to blame. It has been almost like a perfect storm. The Ducks announcers mentioned that the Rangers had a bunch of split squad games in training camp and that AV regrets that. They also mentioned that we were not allowed to practice (CBA) after the Sharks blowout on the road. Right now we are not doing anything right. I can not put this on any 1 player, position or coach. Its a team fail effort at this point. We start almost every season 1-3 so I'm not panicking but win or lose next game we have to compete. Things I would like to see win or lose.

Forwards hitting.
McD, Staal, and Girardi being dominant on defense.
Hank making the same kind of saves he has been known for in the past.

I'm going to go back to the fighting. Why have "fighters" at all if they seem to almost always lose? It is disheartening for me as a fan and I can see the enthusiasm drop when we lose fights. Lets get 1 guy on this team that will actually scare people when he drops the gloves.

IAmARanger18
10-11-2013, 12:16 PM
And rid ourselves of Asham and Pyatt please.

bsi
10-11-2013, 01:36 PM
I'm not blaming the coach. Honestly I do not know who or what is to blame. It has been almost like a perfect storm. The Ducks announcers mentioned that the Rangers had a bunch of split squad games in training camp and that AV regrets that. They also mentioned that we were not allowed to practice (CBA) after the Sharks blowout on the road. Right now we are not doing anything right. I can not put this on any 1 player, position or coach. Its a team fail effort at this point. We start almost every season 1-3 so I'm not panicking but win or lose next game we have to compete. Things I would like to see win or lose.

Forwards hitting.
McD, Staal, and Girardi being dominant on defense.
Hank making the same kind of saves he has been known for in the past.

I'm going to go back to the fighting. Why have "fighters" at all if they seem to almost always lose? It is disheartening for me as a fan and I can see the enthusiasm drop when we lose fights. Lets get 1 guy on this team that will actually scare people when he drops the gloves.

I understand what you are saying about fighters losing but in their absense who is gonna stick up for anyone? Boyle? That's all we got. As much as I would like Asham and Dorsett to win their fights I commend them for doing their job even though they know they don't match up to the guys they are fighting. Ryane Clowe was the guy we really needed, a healthy Ryane Clowe with a lower cap hit that is, but those types aren't easy to find. I guess the easy solution would be to dress Bickel but that's not really a hockey decision as Bickel on the ice is like being short handed, but he will win most fights, so it's a possibility. Pyatt needs to go, waste of a roster spot, not great in either end of the ice, not physical enough and isn't going to do much on the scoresheet.
I think another problem is the fact that AV hasn't faced this team enough over the years and knows little about anyone outside of Richards, Pyatt and Brassard. He's still trying to figure out players strengths.
As I said before though don't expect a whole lot to change until we are done our road trip, lack of practice time has AV handcuffed. It's likely gonna be bad for a while( was gonna put worse but how could it be worse) before it gets better.

One thing I will say is that Richards has been our best player since this season started even though we've struggled, if everyone comes up to his level we'll be alright, but right now there's very few bright spots on this team. Pouliot looks good but hasn't provided any offense, he needs to put everything together and start scoring.
Also with regards to lines, Richards, Stepan and Callahan should be our #1 right now, Pouliot, Brass and Zucs, Fast Boyle Miller and Dorsett Moore and Asham/Bickel. That's what our lines should look like for the next game. That's my opinion though.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 02:03 PM
I give credit to Asham and Dorsett being willing to fight but if they lose their fights it deflates the team. I do not know if the answer is Bickel or Mash or somebody outside the organization but I do know Asham and Dorsett are not scaring anyone. They may be better hockey players than some goons but are they really on the team for their hockey skills? Get us a guy that actually intimidates even if we only play him 3 shifts a game. We also need a Neal/Clutterbuck type of bowling ball hitter who goes around knocking everyone in sight without taking dumb penalties. In a perfect world Boyle and Pyatt would use their big bodies to hit everything but they do not hit anyone usually.

We should also shorten our shifts. I saw some guys stay on the ice for 60-120 seconds last night.

IAmARanger18
10-11-2013, 03:08 PM
Bickel needs to be NOWHERE near this team, he's just as useless as Pyatt and Asham. No use in fighting all the time if you keep losing, doesn't spark the team.

puckhead54
10-11-2013, 03:20 PM
We had 2 of the better fighters in the NHL Prust & Orr both look like we should have paid what they wanted especially Orr under 1MM per. We wouldn't pay Prust and Orr but we do pay a Pyatt, Powe, Ashem, Bickle. If we had gotten rid of these 4 we could have paid for Prust with Cap left over. Maybe we should see what Toronto wants for Orr or McLaren we need the toughness real bad if not we are going to get pushed around all season long. In the intrim lets bring up Mashinter & Macilrath they are 2 big tough kids that are not afraid to fight and can win. I know allot of people are going to say Macilrath is not NHL ready but how much worse can it be 20 goals against in 4 games is not exactly a quality Defense.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-11-2013, 03:26 PM
I know that people do not think fighting is a big deal in the game anymore but if you think back the last time this team looked really soft Slats traded for Shelly and Prust. The team changed dramatically from that point on. Just having Shelly and Prust gave us a boost.

I believe having fighters lose fights is worse than having no fighters.

I do not know who to get but if a fighter is only going to play 2-5 minutes a game and fight then lets get one that wins his fights.

Asham, Dorsett, Pyat, and Boyle may have some size but they are not scaring anyone.

J4KOP99
10-11-2013, 03:43 PM
No way is it the coaches fault. It's the personnel. The team is just not very good (especially when Nash is out)

J4KOP99
10-11-2013, 03:44 PM
You really see our faults when hank is not playing lights out. It's amazing how much better he makes this team look when he is on.

We put wayyyyyyy too much pressure on hank to be the best player night in and night out

bsi
10-11-2013, 05:07 PM
I know that people do not think fighting is a big deal in the game anymore but if you think back the last time this team looked really soft Slats traded for Shelly and Prust. The team changed dramatically from that point on. Just having Shelly and Prust gave us a boost.

I believe having fighters lose fights is worse than having no fighters.

I do not know who to get but if a fighter is only going to play 2-5 minutes a game and fight then lets get one that wins his fights.

Asham, Dorsett, Pyat, and Boyle may have some size but they are not scaring anyone.

Totally agree though Boyle can actually fill other roles for the team, he's actually the center that can take a faceoff for some reason. Thing is that we don't really have cap space to go out and get someone so it would have to be Bickel that we use instead I guess. Prust never really scared anyone either, as he mostly lost to the heavyweights,but we always had a back up plan to him be it Shelley, Rupp, Bickel etc. For that reason I wouldn't mind keeping Dorsett for grit and PK even if he loses, but I would like to have a heavyweight with him.

On a side note it sickens me to watch Prust now, he's pulling the weasel crap he never would have pulled here, challenging guys and then keeping his gloves on and that stuff. Hard to believe.

Redfish
10-11-2013, 08:13 PM
Maybe this will be the year where more GMs get fired, than coaches; starting with Holmgren in Philadelphia, and then Sather in New York.

nyr2002nyr
10-11-2013, 08:14 PM
Totally agree though Boyle can actually fill other roles for the team, he's actually the center that can take a faceoff for some reason. Thing is that we don't really have cap space to go out and get someone so it would have to be Bickel that we use instead I guess. Prust never really scared anyone either, as he mostly lost to the heavyweights,but we always had a back up plan to him be it Shelley, Rupp, Bickel etc. For that reason I wouldn't mind keeping Dorsett for grit and PK even if he loses, but I would like to have a heavyweight with him.

On a side note it sickens me to watch Prust now, he's pulling the weasel crap he never would have pulled here, challenging guys and then keeping his gloves on and that stuff. Hard to believe.


I also noticed that about Prust lately bsi and wondered where it was coming from. Never seem him pull that crap when he was in NY

nyr2002nyr
10-11-2013, 09:48 PM
Maybe this will be the year where more GMs get fired, than coaches; starting with Holmgren in Philadelphia, and then Sather in New York.

It's pretty much well known Slats is done after the year. And I doubt they would fire him. Dolan truly doesn't care

bsi
10-12-2013, 12:36 AM
Maybe this will be the year where more GMs get fired, than coaches; starting with Holmgren in Philadelphia, and then Sather in New York.

How does holmgren still have a job? Their team would have been so much better with Richards, carter, bobrovski and JVR.

Redfish
10-12-2013, 10:05 AM
It's pretty much well known Slats is done after the year. And I doubt they would fire him. Dolan truly doesn't care

This is what separates winning organizations from those that don't. At the end of the day, you need ownership to demand excellence that leads to winning championships. Sather has overstayed his welcome by several years, and our team owner just yawns.

I hope Cablevision gets into a financial bond at some point and is led to selling this team.

IAmARanger18
10-12-2013, 11:23 AM
Find a way to package, MDZ, Kreider a 1st and something else for my favorite player Evander Kane, we need his type of attitude and top line talent on this team.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 11:56 AM
New lines for todays normal start time game.

Brad-Brass-Cally
Pouilet-Boyle-Fast
Pyatt-Stepan-Mats
Asham-Moore-Dorsett

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 01:29 PM
We need this one bad!!!

bsi
10-12-2013, 03:22 PM
New lines for todays normal start time game.

Brad-Brass-Cally
Pouilet-Boyle-Fast
Pyatt-Stepan-Mats
Asham-Moore-Dorsett

Like the first line and the 4th is alright but unless Stepan is noticebly out of game shape he should be the #2 center. Also...leave Richards at wing, he is better there and let him get used to it for when Nash comes back. Funny to see Fast getting the coaches approval so early, hes been working hard for it and hopefully he finds the net. Pyatt needs to show me something....anything,to stay.

NYR_NYJ
10-12-2013, 04:21 PM
They need to come out and just play hard,even if they lose the game just be competitive. Baby steps!

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 04:34 PM
When Nash is healthy I might go with this set up.

Hagelin-Step-Cally
Richards-Brass-Nash
Mats-Miller-Fast
On the 4th line I would like a 3 man unit of players who can skate, hit, defend and win fights.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 04:40 PM
By the way we really need a mean hard hitting nasty dman. Our guys can skate and they can defend but where are the board rattling hits?

J4KOP99
10-12-2013, 05:03 PM
If we thought SJ and Anaheim were good... St Louis, please have mercy on our souls

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 05:08 PM
If we thought SJ and Anaheim were good... St Louis, please have mercy on our souls


Pyatt with the hatrick!!! :)

Redfish
10-12-2013, 05:19 PM
By the way we really need a mean hard hitting nasty dman. Our guys can skate and they can defend but where are the board rattling hits?

We've missed this ever since Sauer went down with his head injury. I always thought in the year the team went to conference finals 7th game and lost vs Devils, one deciding factor was not having a solid, physical defenseman on the back line. Our d-men played valiantly but were simply logging too many minutes and physically exhausted; we needed another tough defender with physicality and Sauer was the man.

I also believe the ongoing development of John Moore is marginalizing Del Zotto who, given team needs for either a right-handed defenseman or top line left-winger, is becoming vulnerable to trade consideration. This would only be accelerated and magnified if McIlrath has a strong 3-4 months in Hartford, and early signs are encouraging.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 05:23 PM
We've missed this ever since Sauer went down with his head injury. I always thought in the year the team went to conference finals 7th game and lost vs Devils, one deciding factor was not having a solid, physical defenseman on the back line. Our d-men played valiantly but were simply logging too many minutes and physically exhausted; we needed another tough defender with physicality and Sauer was the man.

I also believe the ongoing development of John Moore is marginalizing Del Zotto who, given team needs for either a right-handed defenseman or top line left-winger, is becoming vulnerable to trade consideration. This would only be accelerated and magnified if McIlrath has a strong 3-4 months in Hartford, and early signs are encouraging.

Hard hitting shut down dmen are becoming pretty rare. Do you have any in mind?

Redfish
10-12-2013, 05:47 PM
Hard hitting shut down dmen are becoming pretty rare. Do you have any in mind?

In terms of the type of player, Kevin Bieksa fits the mold perfectly. I am not suggesting he is available but, also considering he is right-handed, he might be my #1 target if I played GM for a day.

As for 3rd pairing d-men that also fit the mold are Adam McQuaid and Tim Gleason -- both could benefit this team.

Given how difficult it is to obtain players that fit a need well, it is likely we await for McIlrath to develop and hopefully join the club later this season.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-12-2013, 08:56 PM
We don't look like the 1970's Habs, The 1980's Islanders or Gretz's Oilers but they are mucking through against a good team. I will take that first period. Just have to knock off the senseless penalties.

nyr1980
10-12-2013, 10:36 PM
While you can't be pleased with the results, they were much better tonight. If not for two softies by Biron, and 5 bad penalties between Dorsett and Falk, it's a very different game. They outplayed the Blues for long stretches in their own building.

They will be fine. Be patient. Next four are all winnable games.

Dorsett should be scratched in favor of Asham. He just takes too many horrible penalties.

NYR_NYJ
10-12-2013, 10:37 PM
Good game Dorsett

nyr2002nyr
10-12-2013, 10:38 PM
The boys didn't look that bad tonight. To be honest 2 big things were Biron was awful and please send Dorset somewhere AHL,echl,rec league he has taken silly penalties all while making himself look like a jack arse on the ice

nyr2002nyr
10-12-2013, 10:40 PM
Lol like 3 people posted the same thing about Dorset all in under a minute

nyr1980
10-12-2013, 10:57 PM
I liKe Dorsett a lot. But he takes too many penalties, bad ones at that, and not enough in the rest of his game to offset them.

Overall, the full lineup is not together, they've been on the road since the Carter administration, and the goaltending and D, our two biggest assets have been poor. Altogether, it's ok.

Richards and Cally look good, Steps looks better, PP is solid. They'll be fine.

fingerbang
10-12-2013, 11:34 PM
A big moral victory for the team tonight.

bsi
10-13-2013, 09:34 AM
Richards sure has come to play this year. If he keeps up this pace its gonna make for a really hard year end decision from the team. Hopefully he can continue this when everyone else finally comes around.

J4KOP99
10-13-2013, 11:18 AM
There is no decision bsi. He must get amnestied. I don't care what numbers he puts up.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-13-2013, 12:12 PM
There is no decision bsi. He must get amnestied. I don't care what numbers he puts up.

I think we beat this debate to death already before the season. I like Brad. I want Brad to succeed. I do not blame him for his contract but the current CBA makes it near impossible to imagine Brad will be a Ranger next season. I do not know if that means a trade or a amnesty release. For now Brad is a Ranger and I support him 100%.

We have other vets I would be looking to move if possible.

bsi
10-13-2013, 12:26 PM
I agree...its been beat to death but imagine buying out a guy who puts up 80-90 points and then try to replace him. Especially a GM in his final years, my bet is Sather would risk the long term of this team for a better shot at a cup short term even though its not fair to the future GM. Dont think its cut and dry anymore. Personally I would prefer a deadline trade to the West. But I dont wanna get into the whole discussion again but just saying its a real possibility this GM keeps him whether its the right thing to do long term or not. Hendrik Lundqvist will dictate what happens here in the future.

IAmARanger18
10-13-2013, 03:51 PM
Yeah let's let Richards, whose been one of our best forwards so far, go.

nyr2002nyr
10-13-2013, 04:07 PM
Yeah let's let Richards, whose been one of our best forwards so far, go.

It's been 5 games not the entire season.

nyr1980
10-13-2013, 07:39 PM
Is this really a topic to talk about in October? Pretty much a waste of time. We'll all have plenty of time and a seasons worth of stats with which to debate this next summer.

You have to be encouraged by his play. But it's been 5 games.

Vigneault himself said this would be a work in progress. I know the results aren't there, but lets all just be patient and we'll see where we're at when everyone is healthy and together in this system.

bsi
10-13-2013, 07:58 PM
Unfortunately we started on the road and arent getting practices that we need. Last night's game was encouraging though.

nyr1980
10-13-2013, 08:51 PM
Unfortunately we started on the road and arent getting practices that we need. Last night's game was encouraging though.

That's very true. Not being able to practice has hurt them. These 3 days off and coming east is big.

nyr2002nyr
10-13-2013, 09:21 PM
Unfortunately we started on the road and arent getting practices that we need. Last night's game was encouraging though.

It was encouraging and if Biron wasn't blind and a frozen zombie they should have won. Pp looked good boys

Redfish
10-13-2013, 10:16 PM
Unfortunately we started on the road and arent getting practices that we need. Last night's game was encouraging though.

The team trip to Banff, Canada was all about Sather and his contributions to that community. Good for him but he wasted time when our team should have been practicing instead of "bonding."

At 70 years old, 5 coaches and 13 seasons into this "gig" Sather must go.

IAmARanger18
10-13-2013, 11:15 PM
It's been 5 games not the entire season.

I'm confident his game is back, outside of Nash he has been our best forward, even during the preseason, but i'm a biased Richards fan lol

SLY WILLIAMS
10-14-2013, 12:15 PM
Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN 2m


Per @TSNRyanRishaug, #NYR have placed Arron Asham and Martin Biron on waivers. Both practicing here, but open to other teams' claims

bsi
10-14-2013, 12:26 PM
Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN 2m


Per @TSNRyanRishaug, #NYR have placed Arron Asham and Martin Biron on waivers. Both practicing here, but open to other teams' claims

Odd to hear Biron on waivers. Wonder what they are gearing up for? Also...Nash not skating today

nyr2002nyr
10-14-2013, 01:23 PM
Odd to hear Biron on waivers. Wonder what they are gearing up for? Also...Nash not skating today


I was just driving back from Physical Therapy and i was thinking pretty much the same thing. Why keep Biron? You have a vet back up not to be great but to be solid and know his role and he is not solid anymore he has been pretty much below average

SLY WILLIAMS
10-14-2013, 01:31 PM
I do not think AV has faith in Biron or some of our other players. I can understand that based on this start. I might have put 6 players on waivers after the San Jose game. I could see Hedberg or Talbot replacing Biron. I'm not exactly sure why AV has faith in Dorsett over Asham at this point. Maybe these moves are cap related?

Redfish
10-14-2013, 01:34 PM
I want to make my view clear: I do not trust AV; I do not support AV; I do not believe he will be successful here, and I do believe Sather has taken our organization backward with his hiring, and potentially wasted some key years in the careers of key players.

I am also of the view the ugly on-ice performance has as much to do with the players not buying into AV, as it does with transitioning under a new system; perhaps moreso. Notwithstanding how difficult it may have been to play under Tortorella, a not insignificant group of core players have had their best years under Tortorella and bought into his leadership for success. Hank, Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Stepan, Stralman, and Callahan were all held accountable to raise their games by Tortorella and were one period away from the Stanley Cup -- it is pure speculation on my part, but I think a good portion of this club is struggling, mentally, with buying into AV and a whole new approach to the game, after committing 110% on a consistent basis to a formula that brought them success the past three seasons.

Houston, we have a problem.

SLY WILLIAMS
10-14-2013, 01:53 PM
Would bringing in Bryzgalov be a crazy move?

SLY WILLIAMS
10-14-2013, 01:57 PM
I want to make my view clear: I do not trust AV; I do not support AV; I do not believe he will be successful here, and I do believe Sather has taken our organization backward with his hiring, and potentially wasted some key years in the careers of key players.

I am also of the view the ugly on-ice performance has as much to do with the players not buying into AV, as it does with transitioning under a new system; perhaps moreso. Notwithstanding how difficult it may have been to play under Tortorella, a not insignificant group of core players have had their best years under Tortorella and bought into his leadership for success. Hank, Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Stepan, Stralman, and Callahan were all held accountable to raise their games by Tortorella and were one period away from the Stanley Cup -- it is pure speculation on my part, but I think a good portion of this club is struggling, mentally, with buying into AV and a whole new approach to the game, after committing 110% on a consistent basis to a formula that brought them success the past three seasons.

Houston, we have a problem.

I understand you liked the previous coach but we all should try to support the new coach at least for the time being. It is very early to give up on him after he has had so much previous success. I believe you have a good point about getting used to a new system. Ken Hitchcock said it would take 45 days to get used to a new coaches system. The strange thing to me is a I sometimes have seen basic hockey mistakes that should not really have a new system as an excuse. Plus when we dominate a 2nd period against the Blues and come out of it down 3-1 in goals I wont blame the system on that.

fingerbang
10-14-2013, 02:02 PM
The players haven't been able to adjust to AV's defensive scheme. They've got no confidence right now but eventuallu they'll figure i out.

Firing Tortorella made no ****ing sense. They had just won a playoff series and finished first the year before. People thought AV was going to come in here and win us the Stanley Cup.

Glen Sather made some bs comment about teams not dumping the puck in during the playoffs. Obviously he wasn't watching the games.

The Rangers are turning the puck over left and right in the neutral zone and Hank looks like **** because of it and Biron's on waivers.

nyr2002nyr
10-14-2013, 02:08 PM
I want to make my view clear: I do not trust AV; I do not support AV; I do not believe he will be successful here, and I do believe Sather has taken our organization backward with his hiring, and potentially wasted some key years in the careers of key players.

I am also of the view the ugly on-ice performance has as much to do with the players not buying into AV, as it does with transitioning under a new system; perhaps moreso. Notwithstanding how difficult it may have been to play under Tortorella, a not insignificant group of core players have had their best years under Tortorella and bought into his leadership for success. Hank, Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Stepan, Stralman, and Callahan were all held accountable to raise their games by Tortorella and were one period away from the Stanley Cup -- it is pure speculation on my part, but I think a good portion of this club is struggling, mentally, with buying into AV and a whole new approach to the game, after committing 110% on a consistent basis to a formula that brought them success the past three seasons.

Houston, we have a problem.

Thats just it "after committing 110% on a consistent basis to a formula that brought them success the past three seasons." is a crock they didnt believe in that system either or Torts would still be Coach

nyr2002nyr
10-14-2013, 02:09 PM
The players haven't been able to adjust to AV's defensive scheme. They've got no confidence right now but eventuallu they'll figure i out.

Firing Tortorella made no ****ing sense. They had just won a playoff series and finished first the year before. People thought AV was going to come in here and win us the Stanley Cup.

Glen Sather made some bs comment about teams not dumping the puck in during the playoffs. Obviously he wasn't watching the games.

The Rangers are turning the puck over left and right in the neutral zone and Hank looks like **** because of it and Biron's on waivers.

Biron cant stop wrist shots from the point with nobody in front So lets not blame the system for that