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Mile High Champ
08-18-2013, 12:40 PM
Hey guys, It is that time of year again! Once again we kick of the PSD NBA Off-Season Player Rankings. This is the 6th year I have done this on PSD and it always brings some great discussion and debate. Please keep things civil and discuss who you feel is most fitting and deserving of being voted in each poll.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron James and the Miami Heat are back to back NBA champions after an exciting 7 game series win over the Spurs. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 5 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

Due to some people complaining that the rule was not written for the PG poll; in order to be eligible for these rankings, players must of played in 10 or more games last season. Thank you.


REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best


MHC TOP 16 PF COMPARISON (Advanced Statistics)



Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48

L. Aldridge 2012-13 27 74 2790 20.4 .530 .485 7.2 20.9 14.0 13.0 1.2 2.5 8.9 26.5 108 107 4.8 2.3 7.2 .124
Pau Gasol 2012-13 32 49 1655 16.7 .512 .473 7.6 20.1 14.0 19.9 0.7 2.7 13.7 20.5 107 106 2.0 1.7 3.7 .107
Ersan Ilyasova 2012-13 25 73 2012 18.3 .552 .521 7.9 20.3 13.9 9.6 1.7 1.3 7.9 20.5 114 104 4.1 2.5 6.7 .159
Kevin Garnett 2012-13 36 68 2022 19.2 .535 .498 4.5 25.8 15.5 14.4 2.0 2.4 10.5 24.5 104 99 1.8 3.8 5.6 .133
Serge Ibaka 2012-13 23 80 2486 19.4 .612 .586 11.1 17.0 14.2 2.8 0.6 7.4 12.7 18.1 117 101 5.3 4.1 9.4 .181
David Lee 2012-13 29 79 2907 19.2 .561 .519 8.5 24.5 16.8 16.5 1.2 0.6 13.7 23.2 110 104 5.4 3.7 9.1 .150
Zach Randolph 2012-13 31 76 2607 17.9 .506 .461 13.8 25.1 19.3 7.3 1.3 1.0 11.5 23.1 106 99 3.2 4.7 7.9 .145
Josh Smith 2012-13 27 76 2683 17.7 .501 .491 5.8 21.3 13.6 20.9 1.8 3.9 14.6 26.7 97 101 -0.3 4.5 4.2 .075
David West 2012-13 32 73 2435 20.1 .545 .500 6.8 18.8 12.9 16.8 1.6 2.1 12.0 24.4 110 99 4.4 4.7 9.1 .179
Ryan Anderson 2012-13 24 81 2503 18.1 .548 .519 8.9 15.9 12.4 6.9 0.9 1.0 7.5 24.0 114 112 5.7 0.8 6.5 .125
Carlos Boozer 2012-13 31 79 2546 17.1 .510 .477 7.8 27.2 17.4 13.4 1.4 0.8 12.3 25.8 101 100 1.4 4.3 5.7 .108
Anthony Davis 2012-13 19 64 1846 21.7 .559 .516 10.5 23.5 16.8 6.1 2.2 5.1 10.3 21.8 113 104 3.7 2.4 6.1 .159
Kenneth Faried 2012-13 23 80 2248 18.5 .573 .552 13.2 23.2 18.3 5.1 1.8 2.9 12.3 17.7 116 102 4.5 3.4 7.8 .167
Paul Millsap 2012-13 27 78 2375 19.8 .550 .498 8.6 18.8 13.7 14.5 2.3 2.7 11.8 22.4 112 104 4.8 2.9 7.6 .154
Tiago Splitter 2012-13 28 81 1997 18.7 .609 .560 8.8 20.3 14.9 10.0 1.6 2.3 12.7 18.2 118 100 4.7 3.5 8.2 .197
A. Stoudemire 2012-13 30 29 682 22.1 .637 .577 10.0 15.1 12.4 3.6 0.8 2.7 13.4 25.7 118 108 2.1 0.6 2.7 .191





2013 Off-Season PSD PF Rankings

1) Kevin Love
2) Blake Griffin
3) Dirk Nowitzki
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2012 Off-Season PSD PF Rankings

1) Kevin Love
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) LaMarcus Aldridge
4) Chris Bosh
5) Pau Gasol
6) Blake Griffin
7) Josh Smith
8) Zach Randolph
9) Amare Stoudemire
10) Paul Millsap

2011 Off-Season PF Rankings

1) Dirk Nowitzki
2) Amare Stoudemire
3) Pau Gasol
4) Zach Randolph
5) Chris Bosh
6) LaMarcus Aldridge
7) Kevin Love
8) Blake Griffin
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Josh Smith

2010 Off-Season PF Rankings

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Tim Duncan
4) Chris Bosh
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Carlos Boozer
7) Kevin Garnett
8) Josh Smith
9) David Lee
10) Zach Randolph

2009 Off-Season PF Rankings

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) Chris Bosh
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Pau Gasol
7) Carlos Boozer
8) Antawn Jamison
9) Rashard Lewis
10) David West

2008 Off-Season PF rankings

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Amare Stoudemire
4) Chris Bosh
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Elton Brand
7) Carlos Boozer
8) Pau Gasol
9) Antawn Jamison
10) David West

Mile High Champ
08-18-2013, 12:44 PM
For me this is where things get wide open and I am not sold on LMA here at all. Can make an argument for Ibaka, Lee, Gasol, ZBO and even West here.

D-Leethal
08-18-2013, 12:50 PM
I honestly think KG should get some love here. His defense is still probably tops at the position.

Ebbs
08-18-2013, 01:05 PM
I don't really know if Ibaka should make top 10 yet. Him AD and Faried are all the next gen

Bruno
08-18-2013, 01:12 PM
davis.

Mile High Champ
08-18-2013, 01:21 PM
I don't really know if Ibaka should make top 10 yet. Him AD and Faried are all the next gen

Ibaka and Davis both have a case for top 10 certainly. Would rather have both those guys over David Lee personally just for next season.

Bruno
08-18-2013, 01:25 PM
yeah, I think Ibaka starts to merit votes starting now. i think he's probably the best defender left at the position.
I'm going Davis because he actually had a great season and he's working out big time and getting bigger. i dont think its crazy to say he's 4th best today although I understand why 90% of you think that vote is a reach. i voted him more so because the next 4-5 guys are practically interchangeable, and nobody else left on the board is so dominant that they HAVE to be picked here, IMO.

SlimKid
08-18-2013, 01:42 PM
Accidentally hit Pau

nycericanguy
08-18-2013, 01:48 PM
I think I'm going with KG. 15 & 8, 2.3apg in less than 30mpg, solid efficiency, and probably the best two way PF on this list.

My only thing is, I'm not sure at 37-38 next year he can continue to be that good.

Lee's overall offensive numbers are better than LMA's, and he did so on a winning team.

Tough call...

Green_Monster
08-18-2013, 02:01 PM
For me this is where things get wide open and I am not sold on LMA here at all. Can make an argument for Ibaka, Lee, Gasol, ZBO and even West here.

I think Garnett should be in the center voting, because he's been playing there for the past few years. Also, BR and several other sites have him listed as a center.

Either way, he's definitely in the conversation with the guys you mentioned. He leads all of them in RAMP, but in other advanced stats they're close. The link below is comparing all of them last season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=garneke01&y1=2013&p2=ibakase01&y2=2013&p3=leeda02&y3=2013&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2013&p5=randoza01&y5=2013&p6=westda01&y6=2013

Minimal
08-18-2013, 02:10 PM
Its Lee time now

Bruno
08-18-2013, 02:16 PM
I think Garnett should be in the center voting, because he's been playing there for the past few years. Also, BR and several other sites have him listed as a center.

Either way, he's definitely in the conversation with the guys you mentioned. He leads all of them in RAMP, but in other advanced stats they're close. The link below is comparing all of them last season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=garneke01&y1=2013&p2=ibakase01&y2=2013&p3=leeda02&y3=2013&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2013&p5=randoza01&y5=2013&p6=westda01&y6=2013

he'll be playing PF next season next to Brook Lopez. the ratings have an emphasis on right now, although he has played center since the Perkins trade.

Green_Monster
08-18-2013, 02:20 PM
he'll be playing PF next season next to Brook Lopez. the ratings have an emphasis on right now, although he has played center since the Perkins trade.

Oh, okay. Either way, he's definitely a top 10 PF/C and probably higher. I'm not sure where PSD will rank him, though.

Bruno
08-18-2013, 02:26 PM
Oh, okay. Either way, he's definitely a top 10 PF/C and probably higher. I'm not sure where PSD will rank him, though.

I think he still has top ten abilities too. although with how stacked the Nets are, his numbers might not reflect top ten impact at the end of the season (he'll probably also see way less minutes than any of these guys because of his age). But yea, KGs got top ten abilities despite the fact that hes going into year 19? WOW. He's been in the league for so long, such a talent.

SportsFanatic10
08-18-2013, 06:12 PM
LA here. damn number 2 seems high for blake, but i guess i can't really put anyone else over him off the top of my head.

SportsFanatic10
08-18-2013, 06:15 PM
just curious, how is chris bosh not on here, but a few other pfs who play some center are?

tredigs
08-18-2013, 06:25 PM
Can we just give them 10 #5 slots? Who knows, here. LMA, Pau, Ibaka, Lee, Davis, Ilyasova, West, Millsap. I see very little difference in impact between these guys - including Dirk when he's not 100% and Blake. And love was sort of gifted #1 himself. Weird list. I can't make an argument for anyone.

Ebbs
08-18-2013, 06:30 PM
Ibaka and Davis both have a case for top 10 certainly. Would rather have both those guys over David Lee personally just for next season.

I'm
Still not really sure is it like top 10 for next season or top 10 based off last?

Allphakenny1
08-18-2013, 07:15 PM
I'm
Still not really sure is it like top 10 for next season or top 10 based off last?

It is not supposed to be for next season because we are not supposed to vote on potential, but what they have already accomplished. I think it is acceptable to vote based on what they did last season or if you had to win one game right now, who would you pick? I think this is how some players with bad years go ahead of others. So if people think Davis is good enough right this moment then vote for him, but not based on what he can be at the end of next year.

JasonJohnHorn
08-18-2013, 11:18 PM
For me, Lee is the clear cut pick here. Anybody who would suggest Z-Bo wouldn't get an argument from me, but anybody who selects LMA has some explaining to do.

What is LMA doing that puts him over Lee? Lee is a more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, a better play maker and a better shooter. LMA is likely the better defender, but neither guy is a defensive specialist. LMA has a higher scoring average, but he gets the ball more. Also, Lee put up his numbers on a playoff team where as LMA put his numbers up on a lottery team.


I just don't see a case for LMA here. I don't get it. Somebody please explain it to me.

JasonJohnHorn
08-18-2013, 11:23 PM
Its Lee time now

I know, right? I don't even see this as a conversation. I think Lee could have gone higher to be honest... but certainly he was the best player among those guys left on the list.

TrueFan420
08-19-2013, 12:02 AM
just curious, how is chris bosh not on here, but a few other pfs who play some center are?

He didnt have the greatest of seasons but I'm sure he will be added after the next round or two. How Duncan isn't on the list is a joke tho. He mostly played the 4 with splitter starting at the 5.

Chronz
08-19-2013, 01:17 AM
yeah, I think Ibaka starts to merit votes starting now. i think he's probably the best defender left at the position.
I'm going Davis because he actually had a great season and he's working out big time and getting bigger. i dont think its crazy to say he's 4th best today although I understand why 90% of you think that vote is a reach. i voted him more so because the next 4-5 guys are practically interchangeable, and nobody else left on the board is so dominant that they HAVE to be picked here, IMO.

Hows his +/-? Wasn't Ryan Anderson both more productive while helping his team win more in his role? His defense isn't even that good imo.

Greet
08-19-2013, 01:23 AM
The fact that Blake Griffin got voted 2nd over LMA and Dirk is ridiculous. Kind of a disappointment honestly.

BullsNumber1Fan
08-19-2013, 01:41 AM
What do you expect Greet? This is PSD afterall.:laugh2:

tredigs
08-19-2013, 01:41 AM
The fact that Blake Griffin got voted 2nd over LMA and Dirk is ridiculous. Kind of a disappointment honestly.

Dirk wasn't quite Dirk last year with his injuries and decreased offensive load, and as players get older I have a feeling there's less leeway given there.

As far as LMA goes, I see no argument of "ridiculousness" for Blake being voted over him. I don't even see why his argument is any better than 5 other guys here to be honest. Judging by the vote discrepancy over plenty of other worthy candidates, frankly he's seeming overrated. I'm not sure I've seen an argument for him yet?

ModernDaySavage
08-19-2013, 01:58 AM
Give me Zach, dude is a beast come playoff time. Old man game, but effective with it.

Shammyguy3
08-19-2013, 02:34 AM
Three guys here that I can see a legitimate argument for:
Kevin Garnett
David Lee
Serge Ibaka

Pending on the way one votes (if you're voting based off of anticipated production this upcoming season, or if you're voting strictly based on last season's production, or even which player you'd want today in a 7-game series), I can see any of these guys but I'm personally taking Garnett based on his defensive impact + ability to work in any offense efficiently (even at his age).

Avenged
08-19-2013, 02:39 AM
Ehh.. Love at #1 seems odd.. but these lists are always weird.

Greet
08-19-2013, 01:24 PM
Dirk wasn't quite Dirk last year with his injuries and decreased offensive load, and as players get older I have a feeling there's less leeway given there.

As far as LMA goes, I see no argument of "ridiculousness" for Blake being voted over him. I don't even see why his argument is any better than 5 other guys here to be honest. Judging by the vote discrepancy over plenty of other worthy candidates, frankly he's seeming overrated. I'm not sure I've seen an argument for him yet?

I don't think Blake can be a #1 option on a winning team. His offensive game isn't nearly as developed as LMA, and his offensive repertoire isn't even close. Plus LMA is a better defender..... Blake needs a defensive C to cover him up.

Guppyfighter
08-19-2013, 01:39 PM
I don't think Blake can be a #1 option on a winning team. His offensive game isn't nearly as developed as LMA, and his offensive repertoire isn't even close. Plus LMA is a better defender..... Blake needs a defensive C to cover him up.

Blake has more post moves than LMA and is more efficient.