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LAKobeBryant
08-14-2013, 02:28 PM
Is he worth the big pay check?

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Gators123
08-14-2013, 02:35 PM
I don't like how its 5 years. 4 years $48 would have been much better. Oh well, they needed to keep him.

AddiX
08-14-2013, 02:37 PM
That's a fair deal for both of them. In a perfect world minny would of got him on a 4 year deal, but at that price you can't be too mad about the 5th year.

As long as he's playing at this level that's a steal IMO. Love and Rubio may get the love but pek is the most important player there IMO.

John Walls Era
08-14-2013, 02:39 PM
What I don't get is how losing teams can just dish out big contracts to players (regardless of potential or ability). Saunders is a bit better than Kahn, but his strategy seems awful. Timberwolves are probably missing the playoffs again.

sunsfan88
08-14-2013, 02:41 PM
What I don't get is how losing teams can just dish out big contracts to players (regardless of potential or ability). Saunders is a bit better than Kahn, but his strategy seems awful. Timberwolves are probably missing the playoffs again.
LMAO didn't Washington do the same with John Wall??

Sorry, I just found it to be really ironic with your username being "John Wall Era" and all.

dhopisthename
08-14-2013, 02:42 PM
5/12 is a steal.

b@llhog24
08-14-2013, 02:44 PM
LMAO didn't Washington do the same with John Wall??

Sorry, I just found it to be really ironic with your username being "John Wall Era" and all.

Even funnier is, I think he's a Raps fan.

RiLoc
08-14-2013, 02:48 PM
Considering the market price for a good player around 7 feet tall, it's not too bad.

What is questionable to me is who are they bidding against? Late in free agency and to my knowledge there no offers made and not much buzz regarding Pekovic. At this point, which teams are in a position to sign him? Orlando, Philadelphia and Milwaukee? Are those teams even willing to make an offer? Just seems like they were in a better bargaining position than 5yrs/60million.

John Walls Era
08-14-2013, 02:49 PM
LMAO didn't Washington do the same with John Wall??

Sorry, I just found it to be really ironic with your username being "John Wall Era" and all.

I agree. That was a bad decision. Wizards were close to 8th seed if thats any consolation to their management.


Even funnier is, I think he's a Raps fan.

Its hard not to watch Raptors basketball when you live in Canada.

b@llhog24
08-14-2013, 02:51 PM
I agree. That was a bad decision. Wizards were close to 8th seed if thats any consolation to their management.



Its hard not to watch Raptors basketball when you live in Canada.

Just saying, not giving you **** for it or anything.

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 03:22 PM
I don't like the 5th year at all. He isn't on rookie scale, so they can now use it for Rubio as well, but with Pek's durability history, just don't like guaranteeing him $60 million. Hoping year 5 is a team option.

Trueblue2
08-14-2013, 03:23 PM
What I don't get is how losing teams can just dish out big contracts to players (regardless of potential or ability). Saunders is a bit better than Kahn, but his strategy seems awful. Timberwolves are probably missing the playoffs again.

Well its not like they put a bad team together last year, if Love and Rubio stay healthy then theyre a borderline playoff team with a bright future. Their success is dependent on the health of those two and pek is a good piece that has chemistry with both of them. If the team has a healthy season and they still suck and show no hope for the future pek's contract is still tradeable.

2-ONE-5
08-14-2013, 03:30 PM
if healthy the Wolves are def a playoff team.

arlubas
08-14-2013, 05:21 PM
Pretty fair deal for a guy of his abilities. After watching and rooting for him for 2 years of playing for my team over here, I have to say I'm very glad to see him having a solid career so far.

ManRam
08-14-2013, 05:29 PM
The annual money is fine, especially considering how bigs have been getting paid (sans the steal of forever in Millsap). 5 years would make me a little uneasy as a Wolves fan, but whatever. It's worth it and they had no choice.

Hopefully everyone can stay healthy.

Kashmir13579
08-14-2013, 05:37 PM
I don't know the cap implications, but from a distance, great job on Minny's part for locking up this beast of a player.

MonroeFAN
08-14-2013, 05:59 PM
I, like many people don't like the 5th year. But 12 per isn't bad, and you have to lock him down.

smith&wesson
08-14-2013, 06:10 PM
What I don't get is how losing teams can just dish out big contracts to players (regardless of potential or ability). Saunders is a bit better than Kahn, but his strategy seems awful. Timberwolves are probably missing the playoffs again.

I have them making the playoffs

rubio
k.martin
buddinger
love
pek

plus brewer, shved, derrick wiliams, & mohammed off the bench.

thats a solid starting 5 and bench rotation.

smith&wesson
08-14-2013, 06:14 PM
I think pek could have been had for 10 a year. but its not a bad deal. he is a solid C..

IKnowHoops
08-14-2013, 06:15 PM
5/12 is a steal.

Funny how Oden's 1 year at league min was getting more posts claiming to much risk than this 5 year 60 mill deal for Pec.

UPRock
08-14-2013, 06:30 PM
It had to be done.

Oefarmy2005
08-14-2013, 07:35 PM
5 years is too long - he'll be 33 when the contract is up. He is worth 12 and looking at the contracts some players got this offseason, it's more than reasonable money. I doubt he'll stay healthy enough to warrant it. At $12 million per and him missing 10-20 games a season, it's much more like $14 million per.

leprechaun5
08-14-2013, 07:39 PM
I don't like the 5th year at all. He isn't on rookie scale, so they can now use it for Rubio as well, but with Pek's durability history, just don't like guaranteeing him $60 million. Hoping year 5 is a team option.


Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda
Flip says there are no player or team options in this contract


Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda
@PHansenDUB it's incentive filled above and beyond the $60M guaranteed. Could be as much as $68M

;)

MonroeFAN
08-14-2013, 07:59 PM
Not using this contract as an example, but has Flip Saunders ever shown the ability to run a front office? Seemed like such a random choice from the beginning.

Christopherson
08-14-2013, 08:00 PM
Like the deal, like Pekovic's game. If he can make the type of progression into a tier below what Roy Hibbert is as a rim protector, this instantly becomes a steal.

topdog
08-14-2013, 08:26 PM
Not using this contract as an example, but has Flip Saunders ever shown the ability to run a front office? Seemed like such a random choice from the beginning.

Flip is well-liked personally by the Timberwolves owner. I wasn't thrilled with the choice of making him GM, but honestly Kahn pretty much set up the offseason so Flip didn't have too many tough decisions to make: re-sign Bud, re-sign Pek, spend money on a quality SG, draft a shot-blocker, add role players, done.

topdog
08-14-2013, 08:31 PM
Like the deal, like Pekovic's game. If he can make the type of progression into a tier below what Roy Hibbert is as a rim protector, this instantly becomes a steal.

Not gonna happen. That said, Pek is a good pick-and-roll defender and covers tough PF matchups so Love doesn't have to guard the LMAs and Griffins of the world.

I have no problem with the 5th year personally. As far as people saying the Wolves "bid against themselves" you have to consider the trade demand (and/or qualifying offer) as an additional pressure. If guys aren't happy with how you treat them in negotiations/financially, they play disgruntled and ask for trades i.e. Eric Gordon.

tbone2171
08-14-2013, 08:46 PM
Welcome to PSD..where everyone who posts in the NBA forums is smart enough to run an NBA team.

Christopherson
08-14-2013, 08:47 PM
Not gonna happen. That said, Pek is a good pick-and-roll defender and covers tough PF matchups so Love doesn't have to guard the LMAs and Griffins of the world.

I have no problem with the 5th year personally. As far as people saying the Wolves "bid against themselves" you have to consider the trade demand (and/or qualifying offer) as an additional pressure. If guys aren't happy with how you treat them in negotiations/financially, they play disgruntled and ask for trades i.e. Eric Gordon.

I.e. Kevin Love. Not doing what the Wizards did with John Wall was and still is perplexing.

I don't think anyone will doubt what the Wolves can do offensively. Crack the top 15 defensivey and I think they're a playoff team.

AddiX
08-14-2013, 08:56 PM
Bottom line they couldn't lose him. To me all the work they've tried to put into this team would be down the drain if they lost him.

They did what they had to do, this team needs to put wins on the board for there fan base, and they need to deliver them now.

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 09:03 PM
Not using this contract as an example, but has Flip Saunders ever shown the ability to run a front office? Seemed like such a random choice from the beginning.

He was quasi-assistant GM to McHale until 2000, so he did help pick KG and Marbury. That being said, I wasn't overly excited about his hire, and with the money he spent, this is basically our team minus a little wiggle room in trades (Barea, Williams, Shved for example) at mid 60 million in cap. The only hope is Love stays healthier, Pek as well and continues to add a little to his game every summer, and Rubio develops into what our fans hope he will, and that is a top 5-6 PG. We need Martin/Bud to do what they did in Adelman's offense before, and our bench to hold their own (Barea/Williams/Dante/Brewer/Dieng/Turiaf/Shabazz/Shved)

Positives of this deal:
Pek came into the league at 25. His wear and tear at age 33 will not be the same as most NBA players.
Every year, Pekovic has improved. From year 1-2, he learned a "show" on the PnR doesn't mean you hip check the guard into the 8th row. From year 2-3, he increased his footwork on the low post. From year 2-3, he got in great shape, and his defense improved. When Pek, Love, and Rubio are healthy, they form a dynamic trio, because Love forces the defense to pull a big out of the paint, and Pekovic just buries players under the rim with his strength, and there isn't a better passer in the game than Rubio (ok, it can be argued, but you get my drift), who has perfect timing as well as angle ability.

Negatives:
Pekovic misses 15-20 games a year with b.s. injuries
He will be making $12 million at age 33
Our frontline is still suspect protecting the rim, putting even more pressure on Rubio and Brewer to defend slashing/penetrating perimeter players.

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 09:05 PM
I.e. Kevin Love. Not doing what the Wizards did with John Wall was and still is perplexing.

I don't think anyone will doubt what the Wolves can do offensively. Crack the top 15 defensivey and I think they're a playoff team.

I try to be a pretty unbiased fan, but Adelman has the right pieces to be a top 5 offense in efficiency. If they can just land somewhere in the middle of the league defensively, that suggests around 48 wins or so.

lukass
08-14-2013, 09:09 PM
I think its a great signing. I love his game he plays in control and within himself and is a mean defensive presence, I wouldnt want to run into him. But I think 4yrs would've been better but if 5 is what it took to get it done then why not, he's worth it, his play and numbers back it up

SportsFanatic10
08-14-2013, 10:16 PM
seemed like it took forever to get this done lol. but i'd like to see the wolves stay healthy to see what they can do. there is a lot to like about that roster.

topdog
08-14-2013, 10:21 PM
I.e. Kevin Love. Not doing what the Wizards did with John Wall was and still is perplexing.

I don't think anyone will doubt what the Wolves can do offensively. Crack the top 15 defensivey and I think they're a playoff team.

Which is where the Flip hire/Kahn "fire" (his option simply wasn't picked up) comes in. Flip will be Love's best friend and will push the silver lining of: shorter contracts mean bigger paydays -> the more years you have in the league, the higher a max contract is.

lukass
08-14-2013, 10:31 PM
seemed like it took forever to get this done lol. but i'd like to see the wolves stay healthy to see what they can do. there is a lot to like about that roster.

I agree if health can hold up they are a dangerous team and definitely the most underrated team in the west

el hidalgo
08-14-2013, 10:33 PM
hawk, do you have that article showing all the terrible moves the twolves have made over the years?

MTar786
08-14-2013, 10:53 PM
pek is worth 12 but i was thinking the wolves could have gotten him for 10. but hey, no train smash.

HouRealCoach
08-14-2013, 11:09 PM
They have a top 5 scoring big man, a superstar in Love, soon to be top assistman and defensive pg and an outside scorer in kmart... barea and dwill coming off the Bench

They are a playoff squad

specialiststeve
08-14-2013, 11:22 PM
As long as they can still have the 5 year deal available for Rubio when it comes up I think it is a good deal - not sure the 5th year was needed but if he continues to be the Bull he is it should be fine. Wolves if healthy could be very good.

Laker Legend42
08-14-2013, 11:28 PM
Does this mean the end of Kevin love in minny?

topdog
08-14-2013, 11:35 PM
Does this mean the end of Kevin love in minny?

Boy do I look forward to his speculation for the next two years! (sarcasm)


So when Flip Saunders, Kahn’s replacement, talked with reporters Wednesday about the Pekovic signing, he was asked about the potential that Love might feel neglected anew, what with the big man next to him – who trails Love in All-Star selections, 2-0, and in Olympic gold, 1-0 – getting a guarantee until the summer of 2018. “We talked about a lot of things,” Saunders said of his recent conversations with Love. “What’ I’ve been impressed about Kevin Love, more than anything, Kevin wants to win. As we talked about Pek, he just said, ‘You have to do what you have to do.’ “I think he really understands and he believes that I don’t have a certain way I’m going to do things. I don’t know what’s been done in the past – I really don’t care. So as he said, we’re just moving forward, both on the basketball court and every other thing.” NBA.com

Also, local sports writer (not sure that he's a CBA expert but):
If he agrees, Wolves on 1/25/15 can extend current KL deal for 2 years, out to 2018. If he opts out, can offer him 5-year ext in July 2015 Twitter @JerryZgoda

BenFrank
08-14-2013, 11:37 PM
If this guy got 12 mill, were gonna get a lot back in return for Asik @ 8 mill

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 11:54 PM
seemed like it took forever to get this done lol. but i'd like to see the wolves stay healthy to see what they can do. there is a lot to like about that roster.

rumor is they took their sweet time so Pek had a reason to pull out of the Euroleague this summer. He has enough trouble lasting 82 games, he didn't need that as well.

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 11:55 PM
If this guy got 12 mill, were gonna get a lot back in return for Asik @ 8 mill

you are going to get $8 million in salary back, you are over the cap...

Hawkeye15
08-14-2013, 11:55 PM
hawk, do you have that article showing all the terrible moves the twolves have made over the years?

it's in my brain, and this is not one of them.

Christopherson
08-15-2013, 12:06 AM
Which is where the Flip hire/Kahn "fire" (his option simply wasn't picked up) comes in. Flip will be Love's best friend and will push the silver lining of: shorter contracts mean bigger paydays -> the more years you have in the league, the higher a max contract is.

Right. Though it's not much his fault, it's the only hand Flip can play if this team doesn't see results this and next season. Talent wise, this roster currently has mid-50 wins in them. Could say that about almost 10 teams in the West if everything goes according to plan, though.

bholly
08-15-2013, 12:19 AM
Sort of hate to be that guy, but for the sake of clarity I'll be him anyway - this is a new contract, not an extension. He was a (restricted) free agent.

SugeKnight
08-15-2013, 12:59 AM
I think the Wolves had some leverage here. No other team was even rumored to offer him a contract. I don't even know a team that has the capspace to offer him anything close to what he got.

Pek is a good player, but I would not commit that much cap to him.

heyman321
08-15-2013, 01:02 AM
Funny how Oden's 1 year at league min was getting more posts claiming to much risk than this 5 year 60 mill deal for Pec.

Cause Oden has played 82 games in the past 40 years?

D1JM
08-15-2013, 01:15 AM
5/12 is a steal.

this. bigs get paid

Sadds The Gr8
08-15-2013, 01:24 AM
don't like the 5th year but 12 mil a year is definitely solid for him considering how paid some other crappy bigs get.

MrfadeawayJB
08-15-2013, 01:57 AM
I still can't believe that one poster said he'd be lucky to get vet minimum at this point in FA :laugh:

5ass
08-15-2013, 04:05 AM
Hopefully Dieng can contribute on defense for them. SF position is still shaky as well. A relatively healthy Love, Rubio and Pek can get them into the play offs.

IKnowHoops
08-15-2013, 11:00 AM
Cause Oden has played 82 games in the past 40 years?

And oden getting 1mill and pec is getting 60. Your ratio of risk vs reward is way off bro.

JoeBlessU
08-15-2013, 11:30 AM
Considering the market price for a good player around 7 feet tall, it's not too bad.

What is questionable to me is who are they bidding against? Late in free agency and to my knowledge there no offers made and not much buzz regarding Pekovic. At this point, which teams are in a position to sign him? Orlando, Philadelphia and Milwaukee? Are those teams even willing to make an offer? Just seems like they were in a better bargaining position than 5yrs/60million.

They were bidding against the qualifying offer. Pek could have signed the QO for ~6 or 7 mill and would have become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. No one was going to sign him this year, but they sure as hell coulda made a run at him next year if we didnt give him the 5th year.

I assume thats what Pek's agent was using as leverage.

JoeBlessU
08-15-2013, 11:38 AM
And oden getting 1mill and pec is getting 60. Your ratio of risk vs reward is way off bro.

Nene: four years, $52 million
JaVale McGee: four years, $44 million
DeAndre Jordan: three years, $33 million
Kris Humphries: two years, $24 million
Pau Gasol:two years, $38.3 million
Emeka Okafor two years, $28.1 million

Big men get paid. I would take Pek at 5/60 over any of those contracts.

Oefarmy2005
08-15-2013, 12:30 PM
Nene: four years, $52 million
JaVale McGee: four years, $44 million
DeAndre Jordan: three years, $33 million
Kris Humphries: two years, $24 million
Pau Gasol:two years, $38.3 million
Emeka Okafor two years, $28.1 million

Big men get paid. I would take Pek at 5/60 over any of those contracts.

I would probably consider Jordan, but the others for sure.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2013, 01:26 PM
I would probably consider Jordan, but the others for sure.

no way I consider Jordan over Pek.

IKnowHoops
08-15-2013, 07:52 PM
Nene: four years, $52 million
JaVale McGee: four years, $44 million
DeAndre Jordan: three years, $33 million
Kris Humphries: two years, $24 million
Pau Gasol:two years, $38.3 million
Emeka Okafor two years, $28.1 million

Big men get paid. I would take Pek at 5/60 over any of those contracts.

Man, miss my point much? My point was more people acted like there was bigger risk in getting Oden for a mill. My point wasnt, "hes getting overpaid" or "big men don't get paid like that". Whats funny is most of the guys on that list are money pits that there teams wish they could just get off there books. Many of these players are just holding salary hostage. And thats the risk MN is taking. Oden cannot hurt miami cap in any way unlike all of these players. I like the Pec signing. Still way more risk than the oden contract. Thats the only point, and it was just funny to me how more risk was associated with the oden signing in the other thread.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2013, 08:01 PM
Man, miss my point much? My point was more people acted like there was bigger risk in getting Oden for a mill. My point wasnt, "hes getting overpaid" or "big men don't get paid like that". Whats funny is most of the guys on that list are money pits that there teams wish they could just get off there books. Many of these players are just holding salary hostage. And thats the risk MN is taking. Oden cannot hurt miami cap in any way unlike all of these players. I like the Pec signing. Still way more risk than the oden contract. Thats the only point, and it was just funny to me how more risk was associated with the oden signing in the other thread.

There is more risk in signing Oden for $1 than Pekovic for $12 million. 5 lower body surgeries, 7 footer, age 25. No bueno.

IKnowHoops
08-15-2013, 08:23 PM
There is more risk in signing Oden for $1 than Pekovic for $12 million. 5 lower body surgeries, 7 footer, age 25. No bueno.

So if they both get hurt and never play again, whos team is more upset? Which team is hurt more by it?

IKnowHoops
08-15-2013, 08:28 PM
There is more risk in signing Oden for $1 than Pekovic for $12 million. 5 lower body surgeries, 7 footer, age 25. No bueno.

Oden cannot hurt the heat in any way. Pec can hurt the wolves for 12mill a year if he gets hurt, gets digruntled, or declines.

topdog
08-15-2013, 08:45 PM
Oden cannot hurt the heat in any way. Pec can hurt the wolves for 12mill a year if he gets hurt, gets digruntled, or declines.

You can say that about any player. What if Blake Griffin comes down on his back hard and (lord forbid) becomes paralyzed? Or, what if Lebron tears his knee up ala Rose. Are you saying those guys are bigger risks because they make more money? The point is that Oden hasn't been able to play for years just like Brandon Roy's comeback lasted all of about 6 games. The risk is in the history not the money.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2013, 11:11 PM
So if they both get hurt and never play again, whos team is more upset? Which team is hurt more by it?

and you think the risk is even exponentially the same?

IKnowHoops
08-16-2013, 12:28 AM
and you think the risk is even exponentially the same?

No I don't. I think we understand each other though. Your factoring in probable gains, and I understand that. I just feel the word "risk" has no place when talking about the Oden acquisition.

IKnowHoops
08-16-2013, 01:16 AM
You can say that about any player. What if Blake Griffin comes down on his back hard and (lord forbid) becomes paralyzed? Or, what if Lebron tears his knee up ala Rose. Are you saying those guys are bigger risks because they make more money? The point is that Oden hasn't been able to play for years just like Brandon Roy's comeback lasted all of about 6 games. The risk is in the history not the money.

We are making two different points.

1. Yes you are right, you can say that about any player.
2. Yes I am saying they are bigger risks because they make more money.

Its always about the money. Oden at 12million would be more of a risk than Oden at 1million. Oden at 1million is essentially no risk at all. "Risk is in the History"? When have you ever heard the word risk used like that. The word you are searching for is value. As long a Pekovic continues to do what he does, and Oden continues to do what he's been doing, then Pekovic will have more value, per dollar spent, than Oden will, per dollar spent.

All of that changes if Oden can give 20-25 minutes in the playoffs

topdog
08-16-2013, 01:33 AM
We are making two different points.

1. Yes you are right, you can say that about any player.
2. Yes I am saying they are bigger risks because they make more money.

Its always about the money. Oden at 12million would be more of a risk than Oden at 1million. Oden at 1million is essentially no risk at all. "Risk is in the History"? When have you ever heard the word risk used like that. The word you are searching for is value. As long a Pekovic continues to do what he does, and Oden continues to do what he's been doing, then Pekovic will have more value, per dollar spent, than Oden will, per dollar spent.

All of that changes if Oden can give 20-25 minutes in the playoffs

I haven't, but that does not mean it is not valid. Non-basketball example: you have two dogs - one is an aggressive little dog that has bitten neighbors and the other is a big friendly dog that has gotten riled up by a stranger on occasion but has never bitten anyone. Which is the bigger risk? The one with the history of aggressive behavior even if the bite is likely to be less severe.

IKnowHoops
08-16-2013, 03:12 AM
I haven't, but that does not mean it is not valid. Non-basketball example: you have two dogs - one is an aggressive little dog that has bitten neighbors and the other is a big friendly dog that has gotten riled up by a stranger on occasion but has never bitten anyone. Which is the bigger risk? The one with the history of aggressive behavior even if the bite is likely to be less severe.

haha good effort

Hawkeye15
08-16-2013, 09:48 AM
No I don't. I think we understand each other though. Your factoring in probable gains, and I understand that. I just feel the word "risk" has no place when talking about the Oden acquisition.

To be fair, I was not one of those who said paying him 1 million was a risk not worth taking. Of course it is, I just don't expect a single thing from Oden. If he can even give them 30 meaningful games, and some playoff help, by all means, 1 million is chump change.

Oefarmy2005
08-16-2013, 01:27 PM
I looked at salaries, and Pek is not a top 10 payed center for next year and probably not for the next few, which makes me more convinced that as far as $/year figure, the Wolves got a pretty good deal.

Hawkeye15
08-16-2013, 02:08 PM
I looked at salaries, and Pek is not a top 10 payed center for next year and probably not for the next few, which makes me more convinced that as far as $/year figure, the Wolves got a pretty good deal.

I so want to correct you here grammar police... :)

yeah, I don't think anyone is criticizing the amount per year at all, just that 5th year.