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KG21
08-11-2013, 09:40 PM
I was just searching and stumbled into interesting facts...

According to http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html

Only 5 players playing as guards Garry The Glove" Payton, MJ, MIchael Cooper Alvin Robertson, Ron Artest received their awards as DPOY.

I know, that big men have rebounds, block and a steal in their statistics.

But how awesome is that only those three guys managed to win that honorable award.

Well Gary won it in 95/96 season where Dikembe and Hakeem were dominant, and Ron got it while Big Ben was a beast on D.

Do you think there will be a next guard ever to receive such award again?

Cal827
08-11-2013, 09:45 PM
Eventually. Soon enough I think we will see either new statistics that are further analyzed the back court player's defensive value to their team (E.g. Maybe focused on FG%, turnover rate, assist rate, etc.. when they are defending the player), or they might split the award into 2, one for the front court players (C/PF) and one for the Back-Court (PG/SG)...(SF might go to either of the categories).

Some really good defenders (young) that I can think of: Shump, Bradley, Beverly, might become candidates as they develop into starters on their respective teams.

KG21
08-11-2013, 09:48 PM
Maybe Russel Westbrook :D

IndyRealist
08-11-2013, 10:14 PM
I don't think Ron Artest has ever played guard. He's a SF, and he was certainly playing SF when he won that award with the Pacers.

dhopisthename
08-11-2013, 10:16 PM
I don't think Ron Artest has ever played guard. He's a SF, and he was certainly playing SF when he won that award with the Pacers.

yeah I was going to say if artest counts then lebron counts and he was really close to winning it last year.

KG21
08-11-2013, 10:26 PM
But lebron doesn't have DPOY :)

To be honest, ron was SF, but he was fast as a guard. But that isn't not the main point.

ManRam
08-11-2013, 10:31 PM
Ever is a long time, so I'll say "yes".

hidalgo
08-11-2013, 10:31 PM
don't forget Michael Jordan & Michael Cooper. they both won dpoty as SGs

and yes I think another guard will win it someday, possibly Tony Allen

LeBron wll probably win one, but he's a SF like Artest

Hellcrooner
08-11-2013, 10:33 PM
I can only wish Ricky Rubio gets there.....

Probably Kidd should/could have won one in his prime.


Alvin Robertson...........man how forgotten and underated a player he is.

Hawkeye15
08-11-2013, 11:00 PM
I do think Rubio will lead the league in steals for some years, but you also need advanced metrics and public support behind you, as well playing for a good defensive team usually. While I think Rubio can be a top defender at his position, tough for him to win it. All defensive teams? Yes, I see them in his future.

KG21
08-11-2013, 11:07 PM
I guess my eyes are playing a trick on me xD Thank you for reminding me :)

But Artest in his prime was better defender then Lebron. Don't get me wrong Lebron is ok on defense, but ron damn.

KG21
08-11-2013, 11:10 PM
Only stat that rubio can excel in are steals...he doesn't present that defensive factor as other players do like Tony allen, Bradley, Rondo, Ron , Payton...

He is a hell of a player but don't see him winning it :) I would love to tho, because there is nothing better to see in basketball where a star stopper does his job. Loving defense!

Mile High Champ
08-11-2013, 11:16 PM
It is a crime that Scottie Pippen never won a defensive player of the year award. He is the single greatest perimeter defender the game has ever seen and never once did he get the honor despite being named to an ALL NBA Defensive team 10 times.

LAKobeBryant
08-11-2013, 11:16 PM
guards will win 10 DPOY awards before we see another dominant centre

TrueFan420
08-11-2013, 11:21 PM
don't forget Michael Jordan & Michael Cooper. they both won dpoty as SGs

and yes I think another guard will win it someday, possibly Tony Allen

LeBron wll probably win one, but he's a SF like Artest
I hope Allen gets one. Wouldn't be surprised to see iggy win one either as a sf/sg

Hellcrooner
08-11-2013, 11:38 PM
Only stat that rubio can excel in are steals...he doesn't present that defensive factor as other players do like Tony allen, Bradley, Rondo, Ron , Payton...

He is a hell of a player but don't see him winning it :) I would love to tho, because there is nothing better to see in basketball where a star stopper does his job. Loving defense!

well his team d also imoproves a lot when he is on the court.

that counts for something.

hidalgo
08-11-2013, 11:51 PM
It is a crime that Scottie Pippen never won a defensive player of the year award. He is the single greatest perimeter defender the game has ever seen and never once did he get the honor despite being named to an ALL NBA Defensive team 10 times.I gotta agree here

tredigs
08-11-2013, 11:58 PM
Battier could've earned one. His lockdown D at his peak was on Artests level if not better imo.

kdspurman
08-12-2013, 12:06 AM
I hope so. They deserve it, I am still baffled that Bowen never won once. They should definitely start showing the perimeter guys some love and not just go off of BPG when deciding it.

IndyRealist
08-12-2013, 12:14 AM
don't forget Michael Jordan & Michael Cooper. they both won dpoty as SGs

and yes I think another guard will win it someday, possibly Tony Allen

LeBron wll probably win one, but he's a SF like Artest

Unlikely to be Allen. Despite the name of the award, it's hard to be solely a defensive specialist and win it. Like all other NBA awards, scoring plays a part in voting. Sad, but true.

Bostonjorge
08-12-2013, 06:13 AM
yeah I was going to say if artest counts then lebron counts and he was really close to winning it last year.

Of course lebron counts. There both SF so it makes perfect sense for him to count. Everyone knows almost winning it is just as good.

Chronz
08-12-2013, 10:45 AM
Never liked the Artest award, Indiana was campaigning this absurd stat about his defensive success too.

Chronz
08-12-2013, 10:52 AM
Battier could've earned one. His lockdown D at his peak was on Artests level if not better imo.
He always felt the media did a better job of recognizing his talent than the "Coaches" did.

All-In
08-12-2013, 11:06 AM
Yea…guys like Battier, Bowen, Pippen, Lebron, Tony Allen, Iggy are some of the best perimeter defenders…but, perception or reality, having a great “big” defender means more to defense…I mean maybe Lebron or Tony Allen will win it next year…but historically my money’s on either Noah, Hibbert, Chandler, Gasol, Duncan, Howard etc

afman
08-12-2013, 10:56 PM
iman shumpert

Supreme LA
08-12-2013, 11:16 PM
It is a crime that Scottie Pippen never won a defensive player of the year award. He is the single greatest perimeter defender the game has ever seen and never once did he get the honor despite being named to an ALL NBA Defensive team 10 times.

This.

FlashBolt
09-11-2013, 04:34 PM
When people think about defense, the first position they start from is the center position. It's atrocious how Pippen has never won a DPOY. Battier imo should have one or two as well. He may not block shots but he's probably one of the greatest players in terms of doing the intangibles.

Chronz
09-11-2013, 05:03 PM
Yea , Battier is the most criminally underrated defender in NBA history, with how little All-Defensive Teams hes made, hell, he didn't start making them until he was past his prime.

Seizabmc
09-11-2013, 05:36 PM
Pg-Pablo , Sg- shump, sf-Ron artest, pf-kenon Martin, c-Tyson.!!! The best defensive line up in the nba! .

Clippersfan86
09-11-2013, 05:47 PM
Bledsoe,Shumpert, Rubio or Bradley have a shot.

Pacerlive
09-11-2013, 06:26 PM
Unlikely to be Allen. Despite the name of the award, it's hard to be solely a defensive specialist and win it. Like all other NBA awards, scoring plays a part in voting. Sad, but true.

Well Paul George will have a shot but most likely Lebron will win it next year since he complained about not getting the award this year.

Big men deserve the award more IMO because they deter 2 men from the basket unlike the guards but the award ratio of big men to wing players is pretty pathetic.

MTar786
09-12-2013, 02:51 AM
kidd deserved one, rondo could get one

the biggest issue i have with DPOY is that stars get too much preferential treatment. but then again.. that will never change. guys like battier, posey, etc would never win it.

also instead of saying guard.. maybe you should replace it with wing defender. i think thats what you were trying to get at.. hence the mention of ron artest

DreamShaker
09-13-2013, 05:04 PM
I was just searching and stumbled into interesting facts...

According to http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html

Only 5 players playing as guards Garry The Glove" Payton, MJ, MIchael Cooper Alvin Robertson, Ron Artest received their awards as DPOY.

I know, that big men have rebounds, block and a steal in their statistics.

But how awesome is that only those three guys managed to win that honorable award.

Well Gary won it in 95/96 season where Dikembe and Hakeem were dominant, and Ron got it while Big Ben was a beast on D.

Do you think there will be a next guard ever to receive such award again?

Good thread. I did want to point out that you are correct about 5 guards winning, but Artest is a forward and Sidney Moncrief won 2 as a guard. He actually won the first two awards, and is the only guard to win twice. Had to give props to Sid.

nosde12-ddt
09-14-2013, 04:26 AM
They should have given one to Bowen or Kobe.


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MrfadeawayJB
09-17-2013, 02:33 PM
They should have two awards. One for bigs, one for guards

JasonJohnHorn
09-18-2013, 02:46 PM
Well... Artest was playing small forward that season I believe...

As for the others, all very well deserved... in the 80's and 90's it was about your individual defense I think, and through the 90's the post defender became more popular.

My stances has always been to make two awards... one for post defenders (C' and PF) and one for wing defenders (SF, SG and PG).

Will a guard every win again? Yes. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rondo, Tony Allen or CP3 win it (Allen almost won it this past season).

The question isn't so much: Will a guard every win it again? bur rather: Will any guard playing right now win the award? And if so, who is the guy most likely to transcend the trend.

KG21
09-19-2013, 09:26 PM
That would be a great addition.

To have DPOY for C, G and F.

ddt
09-20-2013, 06:17 AM
They should have two awards. One for bigs, one for guards


I agree!