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-Lavigne43-
08-02-2013, 05:01 PM
He has a 289 era+, 12.8 K/9, 1.5 BB/9, .689 WHIP, 2nd highest fWAR for a reliever this season, virtually tied in 1st. Turned out to be a good $4M investment. Give him 1 year deals from now on until he shows decline during a season?

AI
08-02-2013, 05:38 PM
Interesting tidbit about Koji that nobody has mentioned yet, we have him under club control next year as well. He's arbitration eligible thus making it a lock that he returns. Free agent after the 2014 season.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/ueharko01.shtml

-Lavigne43-
08-02-2013, 06:01 PM
What? Was he non-tendered?

AI
08-02-2013, 06:12 PM
2013 Status 2nd-Year Arb Eligible, Earliest Arb Eligible: 2014, Earliest Free Agent: 2015


October 29, 2012: Granted Free Agency.
December 18, 2012: Signed as a Free Agent with the Boston Red Sox.
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Lackeyfan41
08-02-2013, 06:15 PM
So we have him next year too?

I could have sworn it was just a one year deal...

AI
08-02-2013, 06:20 PM
So we have him next year too?

I could have sworn it was just a one year deal...

We signed him to a 1 year deal as a FA, he's under club control for next year as an arbitration eligible player.

So yeah, we have him next year too.

bagwell368
08-02-2013, 09:46 PM
We'll need to develop/buy another closer, no way he makes it through this year and next year w/o breaking down.

RaginRondo17
08-04-2013, 08:47 AM
Bags, I was hoping that was going to be Tazawa, he hasn't been as dominant lately though. Do you think there is a chance he could still be our future closer?

AI
08-04-2013, 09:17 AM
Our future closer goes by the name of Rubby de la Rosa.

ruckus16969
08-04-2013, 04:05 PM
Our future closer goes by the name of Rubby de la Rosa.

Interesting thought

Nomar
08-04-2013, 04:07 PM
RDLR is 24 and not really racking up the Ks in AAA and is walking a lot of people. I think he looks more like a bullpen guy at this point if he can sit in the upper 90s there.

Station 13
08-04-2013, 05:47 PM
Matt Barnes will be our closer if he cannot develop his curve and change.

Celtic AL
08-04-2013, 06:09 PM
Thats good we have koji for 1 more year

JMP83
08-05-2013, 09:17 AM
We signed him to a 1 year deal as a FA, he's under club control for next year as an arbitration eligible player.

So yeah, we have him next year too.

I know he doesn't yet have 6 years of service time in the majors, but did he have a clause in his first contract that granted him free agency once it was done?

I only think of this because b-ref has Aoki from the Brewers as not a FA until 2018 when it's been confirmed that he's actually a FA in 2015 due to wording in his contract. But maybe Koji didn't have that clause.

RedSoxtober
08-05-2013, 03:04 PM
RDLR is 24 and not really racking up the Ks in AAA and is walking a lot of people. I think he looks more like a bullpen guy at this point if he can sit in the upper 90s there.
I think we're looking at fatigue. His k/bb has plummeted in the last 10 starts, with BB/9 increasing and K/9 dropping. With TJ surgery and all, he's already logged more innings in 2013 than in 2011-12 combined. That's not such a big deal if you're a big guy like Lackey with some years experience behind you, but for a thin pitcher in his early 20s that's tough to overcome.

There's been quite a bit of debate about his long term role but it looks like BP is more likely at the moment. I'd rather keep the 2009 version of Bard than remake the 2012 version.


I know he doesn't yet have 6 years of service time in the majors, but did he have a clause in his first contract that granted him free agency once it was done?

I only think of this because b-ref has Aoki from the Brewers as not a FA until 2018 when it's been confirmed that he's actually a FA in 2015 due to wording in his contract. But maybe Koji didn't have that clause.
It really does not matter what the contract said. The team could have AGREED to make him a FA but that is not binding on MLB generally. Same is true with Aoki -- the team could agree to sign him for 3 (or 4) years and NOT offer arbitration with the effect of making him a FA... but he's still arb eligible for the next team that picks him up. It's basically like an arb eligible guy being non-tendered with the added wrinkle of the non-tender being pre-arranged.

And yes, that was also a contractual thing for Uehara. He had language that permitted him to go to FA when the contract ended by HIS choice.

todu82
08-05-2013, 03:17 PM
Guy's a good pitcher but I fully expect us to have another guy in as the team's closer next year.

Nomar
08-05-2013, 03:45 PM
RST

It could be fatigue but isn't necessarily true. His year has been bad, good, and bad again when you look from far away. He could've been working out kinks after surgery at first and now going through fatigue, but its tough to tell. Next year will probably be his last shot at proving himself starting unless he comes out this year and dominates in relief but I doubt that happens.

RedSoxtober
08-05-2013, 03:59 PM
His k-rate dropped from 9.99 in his first 33.1IP to 7.68 in his last 43.1IP. That's a pretty substantial drop. His BB/9 went from 4.59 to 5.44 over the same span (admittedly even the first half numbers were not good).

His longest professional season was 2010 (age 22) with 110IP. In 2011 he had 100IP* (age 23) between MLB and MiLB. None of his other innings have topped 50IP. When you consider the low IP count at a young age it's a problem. He's nowhere close to building up the endurance for a full MLB season as a starter. I'd prefer him build IP than help the club right now, honestly.

I don't expect him to be a SP despite claims that the FO likes how he's developed there. I think the time is just running out on that.


*I forgot the MLB innings earlier.

Nomar
08-05-2013, 04:04 PM
His k-rate dropped from 9.99 in his first 33.1IP to 7.68 in his last 43.1IP. That's a pretty substantial drop. His BB/9 went from 4.59 to 5.44 over the same span (admittedly even the first half numbers were not good).

His longest professional season was 2010 (age 22) with 110IP. In 2011 he had 100IP* (age 23) between MLB and MiLB. None of his other innings have topped 50IP. When you consider the low IP count at a young age it's a problem. He's nowhere close to building up the endurance for a full MLB season as a starter. I'd prefer him build IP than help the club right now, honestly.

I don't expect him to be a SP despite claims that the FO likes how he's developed there. I think the time is just running out on that.


*I forgot the MLB innings earlier.

x2

AI
08-10-2013, 11:23 PM
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo
This is Koji Uehara's 54th game. He needs one more to vest his 2014 option.

So, shall we chalk this up as Cafardo not knowing wtf he's talking about (as usual)? Or does this have legs?

Station 13
08-10-2013, 11:41 PM
No such thing. Koji is however retain as an arbitration player.

AI
08-11-2013, 12:00 AM
No such thing. Koji is however retained as an arbitration eligible player.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?832143-Koji-Uehara&p=26814791#post26814791

I'm quite aware of that, afterall, I was the one who pointed it out.

I found it interesting that Cafardo would tweet such a thing. Two scenarios: He's a clueless moron (very likely) or Koji does in fact have a vesting option that we know nothing about of.

Station 13
08-11-2013, 12:07 AM
It would be interesting how much of a raise he gets. He is making 4.2M this year. I think he gets 7M+ next year. More than worth it if he pitches like this.

Nomar
08-11-2013, 12:37 AM
I highly doubt he's this good next year

Station 13
08-11-2013, 10:08 AM
I highly doubt he's this good next year

he is having probably a top 20 reliever season. Hard to repeat such.

Nomar
08-11-2013, 10:27 AM
I would say top 5 really. But just on his workload alone he's due to decline a but next year. At least he doesn't overthrow or throw many pitches.

RedSoxtober
08-12-2013, 09:31 AM
So, shall we chalk this up as Cafardo not knowing wtf he's talking about (as usual)? Or does this have legs?

From Cots:
11:$3M, 12:$4M vesting option (guaranteed with 55 games or 25 games finished in 2011)

Ever on the ball, Cafardo is reporting info from his LAST contract... an option that would have been earned in 2011!

JMP83
08-12-2013, 01:26 PM
From Cots:
11:$3M, 12:$4M vesting option (guaranteed with 55 games or 25 games finished in 2011)

Ever on the ball, Cafardo is reporting info from his LAST contract... an option that would have been earned in 2011!

Strangely enough, now Speier is also reporting that Uehara has an option for next year that should vest:

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/08/12/koji-ueharas-2014-option-to-vest-with-one-more-appearance/

Maybe Cafardo is actually.....right? Can that be?

Melo15
08-12-2013, 01:46 PM
That would be awesome if true.

AI
08-12-2013, 02:19 PM
I think he might actually have a vesting option, Speier is always spot on. The reason why I now believe he does is because of this...


According to an industry source, Uehara’s one-year, $4.25 million deal included a $4.25 million vesting option for the 2014 season that becomes guaranteed when he pitches in 55 games; incentives can push the value of the deal to $5 million with 35 games finished.

As RST posted, the vesting option in his previous contract called for a "$4M vesting option for '12". Speier is reporting a $4.25M vesting option with incentives that can push it to $5M. That's a completely different deal, so maybe for once, the incompetent Cafardo was actually right.

AI
08-12-2013, 02:32 PM
Can confirm what @alexspeier first reported. With one more appearance, Koji Uehara's $4.25M option for 2014 vests.

Tim Britton

Crucis
08-12-2013, 03:22 PM
I think that this is great news that there's this option in Koji's contract and that it appears almost certain that he'll be returning next season. He's been the team's most consistent reliever, even before taking on the closer's job.

RedSoxtober
08-12-2013, 05:52 PM
http://chriseverheart.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chimp_at_typewriter.jpegI gotz a word?!
-Cafardo

Station 13
08-12-2013, 06:59 PM
So it's real? Even better. If he goes to arbitration he will probably make 7M. Instead the option is about what he makes this season.

SoxFan101NlB
08-12-2013, 11:12 PM
I said it after the first game he pitched in...he is the best reliever we have had in a long time. Better than the best bard we ever had. Such a good signing this offseason. If we can put him back in the 8th inning next year(assuming we find a closer/develop one) than our bp could be a formidable force next year. Taz 7 koji 8 new closer 9th. Pretty fantastic.

AI
08-12-2013, 11:39 PM
I said it after the first game he pitched in...he is the best reliever we have had in a long time. Better than the best bard we ever had. Such a good signing this offseason. If we can put him back in the 8th inning next year(assuming we find a closer/develop one) than our bp could be a formidable force next year. Taz 7 koji 8 new closer 9th. Pretty fantastic.

Why would you want to remove Koji from a role where he has excelled in? Keep him as the closer and sign a relief ace in the offseason. I really want Crain.

Soxfan85
08-14-2013, 11:09 AM
Not sure where I heard it from prob Comcast Sports is Koji will eventually come down. He's at his peak right now. Can he continue I hope so but don't be surprised if he starts to struggle. This is first year well half way through season as a closer. He's not used to it. I really hope he can continue the remaining of the season and next. But I wouldn't be surprised if Bailey comes back healthy they add another closer.

ManRam
08-14-2013, 11:40 AM
Awesome to hear about the vesting option. Koji has been a godsend. Almost makes giving up on Melancon so quickly palatable.

RedSoxtober
08-14-2013, 03:19 PM
Not sure where I heard it from prob Comcast Sports is Koji will eventually come down. He's at his peak right now. Can he continue I hope so but don't be surprised if he starts to struggle. This is first year well half way through season as a closer. He's not used to it. I really hope he can continue the remaining of the season and next. But I wouldn't be surprised if Bailey comes back healthy they add another closer.

Uehara was the SU in BAL in 2010 and fall-back closer in May and July through mid-Aug. After mid-Aug he was the Orioles closer. He had a similar SU/CL role with the Orioles in 2011 before the trade to TEX. In TEX he finished several games while primarily appearing as a SU (7th/8th) for a team that went to the ALCS one season and the WC game the next.

Not only has he got CL experience but he also has high leverage innings with a 2 time playoff team. His current role is not an issue. His workload might be (he's rapidly approaching his MLB max).

Lackeyfan41
08-15-2013, 02:49 AM
Uehara was the SU in BAL in 2010 and fall-back closer in May and July through mid-Aug. After mid-Aug he was the Orioles closer. He had a similar SU/CL role with the Orioles in 2011 before the trade to TEX. In TEX he finished several games while primarily appearing as a SU (7th/8th) for a team that went to the ALCS one season and the WC game the next.

Not only has he got CL experience but he also has high leverage innings with a 2 time playoff team. His current role is not an issue. His workload might be (he's rapidly approaching his MLB max).

Koji can't get any better than he has been lately, but he has always been dominant in the pen when healthy

Lately it has just been 1-2-3 innings with no danger. Hopefully they can manage to save him enough for the playoffs, but it is really tempting to overwork him since our pen blows.

RedSoxtober
08-15-2013, 09:30 AM
Koji can't get any better than he has been lately, but he has always been dominant in the pen when healthy

Lately it has just been 1-2-3 innings with no danger. Hopefully they can manage to save him enough for the playoffs, but it is really tempting to overwork him since our pen blows.

I'm certainly not denying that he could tire, only dismissing the idea that he's never closed and might fold because of inexperience. He's been there, done that. If his arm doesn't fall off he'll be fine.

-Lavigne43-
08-31-2013, 03:11 PM
He has a 289 era+, 12.8 K/9, 1.5 BB/9, .689 WHIP, 2nd highest fWAR for a reliever this season, virtually tied in 1st. Turned out to be a good $4M investment. Give him 1 year deals from now on until he shows decline during a season?

After a month he now has a 352 era+, 12.2 K/9, 1.3 BB/9, .630 WHIP. This has to be one of the best seasons from a reliever in Red Sox history. '06 Papelbon dwarfs it, not sure what else.

bagwell368
08-31-2013, 09:38 PM
After a month he now has a 352 era+, 12.2 K/9, 1.3 BB/9, .630 WHIP. This has to be one of the best seasons from a reliever in Red Sox history. '06 Papelbon dwarfs it, not sure what else.

Tom Gordon '98, Lowe '00, Kinder '53

These 5 are probably the best. Kinder was the great Sox RP before the 1987 Dave Duncan idea of "closer" took off.