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kdspurman
07-30-2013, 05:16 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Brandon Jennings' deal with Detroit expected to be in three-year range in excess of $25 million. Rest of trade details still being sorted

Edit* appears to be via sign and trade, feel free to change thread title.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The sign-and-trade for Jennings to the Pistons will be a three-year, $24 million deal, sources tell Y! Sports.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Detroit and Milwaukee are nearing a sign-and-trade agreement to send Brandon Jennings to the Pistons, league sources tell Y! Sports.

tredigs
07-30-2013, 05:18 PM
3 years - 24 million.

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/362320938911539201

SINCESTARBURY25
07-30-2013, 05:20 PM
If I was Chauncey id be pretty angry but Brandon Jennings is one of my favorite guards in the NBA so im happy.

dwoyo
07-30-2013, 05:20 PM
Beat me to it...

Now Detroit is looking like one of the best offensive teams in the league on paper. However, how they will do on defense is beyond me. Plus we still don't know who they're giving up, but either way, they're still a 7th or 8th seed next year in my opinion

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:20 PM
Upgrade over Knight for sure.

Jennings
KCP
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

Nice team.

rocket
07-30-2013, 05:22 PM
:clap:

Sly Guy
07-30-2013, 05:22 PM
well detroit seems to be in 'win now' mode. Personally think they overpaid, and although Jennings may be better than what they had, he's still not good enough, IMO.

tredigs
07-30-2013, 05:23 PM
Oops I made it too - didn't see this.

Best offenses on paper dwoyo? Haha I don't know about that. How much does Jennings actually help an offense? There's a reason why it took this long to figure it out. Maybe new coaching will help him out though. Defense though? Smith + Drummond dude, that's already strong.

LTBaByyy
07-30-2013, 05:24 PM
They need shooting big time but that's one of the most athletic teams in NBA

Jennings
KCP
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

LionsFan..LOL
07-30-2013, 05:24 PM
Ughhhhh not a fan of Jennings.

sunsfan88
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
$8M/yr for Jennings? Not bad. But this is all based on his potential.

If he plays the way he has played so far in this league, then this will be seen as an overpaid contract.

Chacarron
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Hopefully Jennings doesn't chuck as much and gets those bigs involved in the offense. I am sure sharing the backcourt with Billups will help him develop too.

Jtirado16
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Damn Pistons gonna be pretty nice!

Cubby
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Detroit dun ****ed up.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Beat me to it...

Now Detroit is looking like one of the best offensive teams in the league on paper. However, how they will do on defense is beyond me. Plus we still don't know who they're giving up, but either way, they're still a 7th or 8th seed next year in my opinion

Uh, This team is going to be sick defensively. Average offensively.

ManRam
07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
well detroit seems to be in 'win now' mode. Personally think they overpaid, and although Jennings may be better than what they had, he's still not good enough, IMO.

I think it was clear they were trying to get better when they signed Smoove. They'll have to be disappointed if they don't make the playoffs now. I'm not saying that's what I think their expectations should be, but yeah.



If nothing else, that team is going to be fun to watch :shrug: A TON of question marks and players with a lot to prove and narratives to squash, but yeah...they'll be entertaining.

sunsfan88
07-30-2013, 05:26 PM
They need shooting big time but that's one of the most athletic teams in NBA

Jennings
KCP
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

Josh Smith at SF will never ever work. Detroit's gonna learn this the hard way and they will be forced to let Monroe leave.

tredigs
07-30-2013, 05:26 PM
How much was the deal that he originally turned down to Milwaukee?

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:26 PM
362322344523472896

JWorthy42
07-30-2013, 05:28 PM
I am so happy for Detroit in a way. It was sad seeing them be irrelevant since like 2008. Glad they have a nice young team there.

tredigs
07-30-2013, 05:28 PM
Josh Smith at SF will never ever work. Detroit's gonna learn this the hard way and they will be forced to let Monroe leave.

Agreed - him at SF. And Asik at PF for HOU are two potential lineups I've seen put out there that just can't work.

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 05:28 PM
It may or may not be an overpay, but it looks like a bargain compared to the Gordon and Villaneuva contracts. I will never understand those.

If they can work together, they will at least be an interesting team to watch, which Detroit really needs.

ManRam
07-30-2013, 05:28 PM
Uh, This team is going to be sick defensively. Average offensively.

I think they'll be close to middle of the pack in both regards. I'm not convinced yet that as a team they'll be great defensively. They have nice individual pieces but I'm not so certain it's going to translate.

LTBaByyy
07-30-2013, 05:30 PM
Pistons HAVE to get new uniforms and logo to start a new era

Those uniforms are so overdue

JWorthy42
07-30-2013, 05:31 PM
Pistons HAVE to get new uniforms and logo to start a new era

Those uniforms are so overdue

They're not bad...

StriveGreatness
07-30-2013, 05:31 PM
Knight to Milwaukee. I'd rather have Knight. Both suck but Knight is cheaper and has a better attitude.

JWorthy42
07-30-2013, 05:32 PM
Bucks got Brandon Knight.

king4day
07-30-2013, 05:32 PM
Nice return for Milwaukee if it's simply a Jennings/Knight swap. Gives them a new direction. Mayo can be their primary scorer.

JWorthy42
07-30-2013, 05:33 PM
They also giving away Kravtsov and Middleton. Nice trade by Detroit.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:33 PM
Knight-Slava-Middleton for Jennings. Thats a good deal for Detroit. I don't like Jennings but hes clearly better than Knight.

JWorthy42
07-30-2013, 05:35 PM
Detroit letting Monroe walk later on, who will sign with the Lakers next season? ;)

Haha, hopefully.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 05:36 PM
Beat me to it...

Now Detroit is looking like one of the best offensive teams in the league on paper. However, how they will do on defense is beyond me. Plus we still don't know who they're giving up, but either way, they're still a 7th or 8th seed next year in my opinion

lol it's the other way around if anything.

mjt20mik
07-30-2013, 05:36 PM
Question.. a little off-topic but do you see the pistons staying in detroit for the foreseeable future? I always wondered how the bankruptcy of the city would affect this ballclub.

5ass
07-30-2013, 05:37 PM
They also giving away Kravtsov and Middleton. Nice trade by Detroit.

Good trade for both teams.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:37 PM
Question.. a little off-topic but do you see the pistons staying in detroit for the foreseeable future? I always wondered how the bankruptcy of the city would affect this ballclub.

Yeah because they play in Auburn Hills. A good 30 minutes outside of Detroit.

NYYCowboys
07-30-2013, 05:38 PM
Like it for the Bucks. Awful move by the Pistons. Seems like they are throwing mud at a wall and hoping it sticks. Don't see how the pieces in their lineup fit.

R. Johnson#3
07-30-2013, 05:39 PM
It's going to be exciting seeing Brandon Jennings play with a team.

sunsfan88
07-30-2013, 05:39 PM
Jennings getting the same exact contract as Mayo did.

So at the end of the day I guess it came down to who Milwaukke wanted....Mayo or Jennings.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:39 PM
362325897421914112

And Dumars kept our expiring contracts. Nice. Still have cap for next summer.

RipCity32
07-30-2013, 05:40 PM
Middleton will probably turn out to be a good player if givin a oppurtunity.

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 05:43 PM
I'm calling it now, terrible offensive team. No shooting, no spacing, no true point guard, and all dudes who are gonna try and play hero ball.

mjt20mik
07-30-2013, 05:44 PM
Yeah because they play in Auburn Hills. A good 30 minutes outside of Detroit.

totally forgot about that.. thats good though :)

WITZ
07-30-2013, 05:45 PM
Looks like that front court is gonna lead the league in offensive rebounds :laugh2:

FortDetroit
07-30-2013, 05:46 PM
Question.. a little off-topic but do you see the pistons staying in detroit for the foreseeable future? I always wondered how the bankruptcy of the city would affect this ballclub.

The Pistons don't play in Detroit, they play in Auburn Hills.....a good 35-40 min away from Detroit.

NYYCowboys
07-30-2013, 05:46 PM
I'm calling it now, terrible offensive team. No shooting, no spacing, no true point guard, and all dudes who are gonna try and play hero ball.

Says the guy who's username is "Monta is a Beast" lol :laugh:

abe_froman
07-30-2013, 05:46 PM
what the hell are the pistions doing?? did dumars get hit by a stupid ray?

bootypants
07-30-2013, 05:46 PM
I'm calling it now, terrible offensive team. No shooting, no spacing, no true point guard, and all dudes who are gonna try and play hero ball.

forgot billups was not a true pg.... :confused:

FortDetroit
07-30-2013, 05:47 PM
Now they need to trade Monroe for a SF who can shoot and move Josh Smith to PF.

FortDetroit
07-30-2013, 05:47 PM
what the hell are the pistions doing?? did dumars get hit by a stupid ray?

he's arguably had the stupid ray for 7 years or so now.

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 05:48 PM
forgot billups was not a true pg.... :confused:

Your not talking Billups of 6 years ago. He's a role player at this point.

tredigs
07-30-2013, 05:49 PM
Says the guy who's username is "Monta is a Beast" lol :laugh:

Is he wrong?

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 05:49 PM
Monroe for Thompson? Then the Warriors could look to move Lee.

John Walls Era
07-30-2013, 05:49 PM
KCP will be x-factor. Also Josh Smith at SF? We already saw that in his early years, it wasn't good.

abe_froman
07-30-2013, 05:50 PM
he's arguably had the stupid ray for 7 years or so now.

you guys were doing well drafting,and the future was looking bright with another lotto pick...but this offseason just smacks of the gordon/charlie v. train wreck all over again

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 05:51 PM
I swear people need to learn how to use quotes. It's not Monta is a beast. It's Monta is beast, and he is. Just not in a winning way lol

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:51 PM
KCP will be x-factor. Also Josh Smith at SF? We already saw that in his early years, it wasn't good.

Hes not good offensively at SF. Hes very good defensively though. Either way, hes only going to see 15-17 MPG at SF. The rest at PF.

NYYCowboys
07-30-2013, 05:53 PM
Is he wrong?

No he's absolutely right, but it's just funny that he says that when his name is about a player who optimizes most of what he described.

dwoyo
07-30-2013, 05:53 PM
So what about the Bucks in this trade?

Knight
Mayo
Delfino/Antetokounmpo
Henson
Sanders

I say it drops a few games off their projected record, but other than that, they're still a team outside looking in at like 10th-12th in the East.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 05:53 PM
you guys were doing well drafting,and the future was looking bright with another lotto pick...but this offseason just smacks of the gordon/charlie v. train wreck all over again

Lets be honest, no matter who Dumars signed people would automatically think of Gordon and CV. Jennings for 3 years at $8m a year and Smith for $13.5 really isn't that bad.

Badluck33
07-30-2013, 05:59 PM
if the NBA playoffs had a 9 seed, it'd be the detroit pistons.

Giannis94
07-30-2013, 06:02 PM
Ughhhhh not a fan of Jennings.

Smart man. There is a reason Larry Allegedly called him and Monta the "Chuck Brothers"

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 06:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2rf7xv

Golden State:

PG: Curry//Douglas//Nedovic
SG: Iguodala//Thorton//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Green//Iguodala
PF: Monroe//Speights
C: Bogut//O'Neal//Ezeli

Sacramento:

PG: Vasquez//Thomas//Fredette
SG: Maclemore//Salmons//Fredette
SF: Mbah A Moute//Outlaw//Salmons
PF: Lee//Landry//Thompson
C: Cousins//Hayes//Thompson

Detroit:

PG: Jennings//Billups//Bynum
SG: Stuckey//Singler//Billups
SF: Thompson//Maggete//Middleton
PF: Smith//Jerebko// Villanueva
C: Drummond//Krastov//Smith

Gators123
07-30-2013, 06:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2rf7xv

Golden State:

PG: Curry//Douglas//Nedovic
SG: Iguodala//Thorton//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Green//Iguodala
PF: Monroe//Speights
C: Bogut//O'Neal//Ezeli

Sacramento:

PG: Vasquez//Thomas//Fredette
SG: Maclemore//Salmons//Fredette
SF: Mbah A Moute//Outlaw//Salmons
PF: Lee//Landry//Thompson
C: Cousins//Hayes//Thompson

Detroit:

PG: Jennings//Billups//Bynum
SG: Stuckey//Singler//Billups
SF: Thompson//Maggete//Middleton
PF: Smith//Jerebko// Villanueva
C: Drummond//Krastov//Smith

Monroe averaged 16 ppg, 10 rpg, and 4 apg last year. I think his trade value is a little higher. And hes still younger than Thompson...

kblo247
07-30-2013, 06:09 PM
Dumars needs to be shot and then shot again. He finally got cap space years after signing Ben Gordon and Charlie V. What does he do with it? He signs Jennings and Josh Smith with it LMFAO that title must've had a can't be fired clause after 04

J4KOP99
07-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Det. probably figuring that Billups can help Jennings out

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Piston just downgraded Jennings stinks

rocket
07-30-2013, 06:12 PM
Dumars needs to be shot and then shot again. He finally got cap space years after signing Ben Gordon and Charlie V. What does he do with it? He signs Jennings and Josh Smith with it LMFAO that title must've had a can't be fired clause after 04

And then they're still gonna have $$$$$$ so yeah...

Gators123
07-30-2013, 06:13 PM
Piston just downgraded Jennings stinks

I was just about to post this-


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Brandon Jennings 2012-13 23 80 2897 16.1 .510 .468 2.1 7.2 4.6 29.1 2.2 0.3 12.9 23.7 106 108 3.6 2.2 5.8 .096
2 Brandon Knight 2012-13 21 75 2365 12.0 .511 .475 2.6 9.6 6.0 21.3 1.3 0.3 17.3 22.8 98 111 0.3 0.8 1.1 .022

Knight- 13.3 PPG 4 APG

Jennings- 17.5 PPG 6.5 APG

Jennings is clearly better.

Monta is beast
07-30-2013, 06:14 PM
Monroe averaged 16 ppg, 10 rpg, and 4 apg last year. I think his trade value is a little higher. And hes still younger than Thompson...

Alright that's fair. I thought with what you guys are doing Thompson would be a fair trade, but you know your squad more than I do.

smith&wesson
07-30-2013, 06:21 PM
jennings sucks. hopefully billups can get through to that chucker.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 06:22 PM
Knight-.83 PPP

Jennings- .88 PPG

Stunner
07-30-2013, 06:26 PM
Greg Monroe and Stuckey for Deng and a 1st

aman_13
07-30-2013, 06:27 PM
I don't see how this will work out if Smith is playing the three.

basch152
07-30-2013, 06:28 PM
I was just about to post this-


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Brandon Jennings 2012-13 23 80 2897 16.1 .510 .468 2.1 7.2 4.6 29.1 2.2 0.3 12.9 23.7 106 108 3.6 2.2 5.8 .096
2 Brandon Knight 2012-13 21 75 2365 12.0 .511 .475 2.6 9.6 6.0 21.3 1.3 0.3 17.3 22.8 98 111 0.3 0.8 1.1 .022

Knight- 13.3 PPG 4 APG

Jennings- 17.5 PPG 6.5 APG

Jennings is clearly better.

My thing is this. Knight is younger, with a better attitude, and similar potential imo.

Don't think it's a great trade.

Jennings is an upgrade right NOW(minus the attitude), but in a team that clearly isn't winning a championship this year, is this upgrade worth it? If Knight ends up becoming great then this goes down as a terrible trade.

Chronz
07-30-2013, 06:29 PM
They'll definitely be interesting

Bmoss12
07-30-2013, 06:29 PM
Now they need to trade Monroe for a SF who can shoot and move Josh Smith to PF.

I think they should go after Harrison Barnes now. Maybe Stuckey/Monroe/Jerebko for Bogut/Barnes/Bazemore. Bogut is an expiring and makes a better backup then a starter. Barnes can hit the three and could be something special. Were going to pay Monroe next year or take Barnes and he is cheap for the next 3 years.

This way they would still have CV expiring contract to either trade or hold on to for cap next year.

3RDASYSTEM
07-30-2013, 06:31 PM
well detroit seems to be in 'win now' mode. Personally think they overpaid, and although Jennings may be better than what they had, he's still not good enough, IMO.

JENNINGS was looking for a RONDO type deal in the 50-55mill range so I feel DET skated out like bandits on this one

to pay JENNINGS who is better than STUCKEY for the basically the same identical money, steal for DUMARS

And contrary to popular belief on DUMARS trade for AI in 09'(which was labeled worst move ever by some) because he was doing a business moves and shedding 60mill for expiring deal he just put his foot in his own *** when he flipped that into CHARLIE V and BGORDON, he was better off keeping BILLUPS or IVERSON over those 2 combined

he has made up for those moves with these latest, regardless of w-l, im going off strictly getting it done, the bottomline of improving a franchise on court, turning into contenders is the tricky part that MO has to handle up

and he has some pieces in place and a nice blend of youth and vets, and young guys who are vets like SMITH and JENNINGS

IAmARanger18
07-30-2013, 06:33 PM
Jennings and Mayo would have never worked in that back-court anyways

Lo Porto
07-30-2013, 06:39 PM
This offseason has been a huge wake up call for Jennings. He thought he'd be a highly sought after restricted free agent, and it turned out that he wasn't at all. I think that he has the ability to make the adjustments in his game to have an impact on the league. This summer's humbling experience might bring out the best in him. Detroit might have gotten a great deal here.

JerseyPalahniuk
07-30-2013, 06:40 PM
Definitely in the playoffs for the weak East now, two spots left after the top 5 and Detroit (wherever they may land in playoffs).

ThuglifeJ
07-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Jennings sucks. I remember when Richard Jefferson was in Milwaukee and put up good stats, then went to SAS and absolutely blew. Thing is, Jefferson was actually pretty good and proven in NJ before that all happened. Jennings was never good or proven.

I see the Pistons fans hating Jennings before the end of the season, he's so inconsistent. Still love the Pistons front court and am excited to see their new team play they deserve to be a respectable name again.

LTBaByyy
07-30-2013, 06:45 PM
Don't view Knight as a scrub.

He avg 14, 4, and 3 last year in 5 less minutes a game than Jennings

They have the same potential. Both will be starting PGs, no All Stars

ThuglifeJ
07-30-2013, 06:47 PM
This offseason has been a huge wake up call for Jennings. He thought he'd be a highly sought after restricted free agent, and it turned out that he wasn't at all. I think that he has the ability to make the adjustments in his game to have an impact on the league. This summer's humbling experience might bring out the best in him. Detroit might have gotten a great deal here.

Or sometimes these "Humbling experiences" bring out even worse colors on professional athletes. They spend the remaining of their careers confused and pouty about how they aren't appreciated. Lots of these guys are borderline delusional sadly..if you watch Jennings interviews you'll see he has the same mind as Iverson, except Iverson was 10x the talent and player. Jennings is gonna have an edge next season since he wasn't the 'superstar' on the market he thought he was where he was 'too good' for a Milwaukee market, but I'm afraid this edge isn't going to be a good edge, it's going to be distracting and cause some struggles for the pistons.

Jennings isnt a very smart guy.

RipCity32
07-30-2013, 06:54 PM
Knight has talent just doesn't have the court vision to run a offense.Kids a TO machine out there.He's not a PG and is too undersized for a 2 guard.He will probably be at best a good sixth man.I'm not that thrilled about Jennings but I'm really not worried about what we just gave up to get him.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 06:55 PM
Having Billups and Mo Cheeks will be good for Jennings.

rocket
07-30-2013, 06:56 PM
Pistons didn't trade for him without making sure he would change his play style. He isn't going to play the same way he did with the Bucks. It's because he really can't. You guys have to realize before you make a trade you must make sure everything is right... lol

Lo Porto
07-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Or sometimes these "Humbling experiences" bring out even worse colors on professional athletes. They spend the remaining of their careers confused and pouty about how they aren't appreciated. Lots of these guys are borderline delusional sadly..if you watch Jennings interviews you'll see he has the same mind as Iverson, except Iverson was 10x the talent and player. Jennings is gonna have an edge next season since he wasn't the 'superstar' on the market he thought he was where he was 'too good' for a Milwaukee market, but I'm afraid this edge isn't going to be a good edge, it's going to be distracting and cause some struggles for the pistons.

Jennings isnt a very smart guy.

That's why everything I said was started with "might". Even though I'm not even a Detroit fan, I'm still an optimist for guys who seemed to be bashed all the time on this site. The kid could learn from this and have a huge impact on the league especially with that emerging roster.

Giannis94
07-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Jennings and Mayo would have never worked in that back-court anyways

No kidding. We all said that about Montee Elly.

Rivera
07-30-2013, 07:01 PM
I feel like the bucks traded brandon Jennings for a younger brandon Jennings

shep33
07-30-2013, 07:11 PM
Yes! Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings on the same team! Joe Dumars does it again!

FraziersKnicks
07-30-2013, 07:11 PM
Who starts at SG? There isn't much shooting on that team at all.

shep33
07-30-2013, 07:11 PM
I like this for the Bucks, not so much for the Pistons

SINCESTARBURY25
07-30-2013, 07:12 PM
Id love to see Pistons Cavaliers those games will be sick.

Jamiecballer
07-30-2013, 07:14 PM
sweet... this is great news for Raptor fans.

black1605
07-30-2013, 07:17 PM
I guess that means the Bobcats will be receiving the Pistons pick this year.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 07:19 PM
Who starts at SG? There isn't much shooting on that team at all.

Caldwell-Pope.. A very good shooter.

DetroitBadBoy
07-30-2013, 07:21 PM
Like it for the Bucks. Awful move by the Pistons. Seems like they are throwing mud at a wall and hoping it sticks. Don't see how the pieces in their lineup fit.
I'm trying to figure out how it's awful for us. Knight has the "potential" to be good but he can't lead this team just yet. If there's any team Jennings can shoot a lot on, it's this Piston team. I know Billups and Mo Cheeks will help him a lot.


what the hell are the pistions doing?? did dumars get hit by a stupid ray?
I liked Knight's "potential" but we just upgraded and got Jennings down to 8 mill a year. Jennings helped carry the Bucks to the playoffs a couple years.


Now they need to trade Monroe for a SF who can shoot and move Josh Smith to PF.
They need to let some of the season play out, then decide that. Moose, Smoove, and Dre make one of the best front court rotations in the league.


Dumars needs to be shot and then shot again. He finally got cap space years after signing Ben Gordon and Charlie V. What does he do with it? He signs Jennings and Josh Smith with it LMFAO that title must've had a can't be fired clause after 04
Lol what?! We just upgraded our talent big time in one single off season. Just because we have the money, doesn't guarantee we land any free agent we want next off season. Dumars is doing a nice job pulling in talent now. We will have options and the ability to sign both Monroe and Drummond when their contracts expire if we want to.


Piston just downgraded Jennings stinks
Please see Gator's posts. Thanks for your opinion though, it really mattered..lol


Having Billups and Mo Cheeks will be good for Jennings.
It could be really good. Jennings had horrible options on the Bucks and still had nearly 7 assists a game.

dtmagnet
07-30-2013, 07:21 PM
Caldwell-Pope.. A very good shooter.

Jimmer Fredette was a good shooter in college too.

Stunner
07-30-2013, 07:21 PM
Would Det do Deng for Monroe and Stuckey ?

ChiTownPacerFan
07-30-2013, 07:24 PM
Jennings and Smith on the same team. There are going to be so many head scratching threes jacked up. I don't think they'll quite making the playoffs. I see them as the 9 seed, with Washington, Cleveland, and Atlanta getting the last three spots.

Stunner
07-30-2013, 07:24 PM
Jimmer Fredette was a good shooter in college too.

Jimmer wasn't as tall as Pope going into the NBA . His height and lack of real position factors into him not being able to get his shot off . Plus Jimmer shooting a career 38% from the 3 . That's good

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 07:24 PM
I was just about to post this-


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Brandon Jennings 2012-13 23 80 2897 16.1 .510 .468 2.1 7.2 4.6 29.1 2.2 0.3 12.9 23.7 106 108 3.6 2.2 5.8 .096
2 Brandon Knight 2012-13 21 75 2365 12.0 .511 .475 2.6 9.6 6.0 21.3 1.3 0.3 17.3 22.8 98 111 0.3 0.8 1.1 .022

Knight- 13.3 PPG 4 APG

Jennings- 17.5 PPG 6.5 APG

Jennings is clearly better.

Those stats are meaningless. Compare their w/s a/to ratio, efficiency etc. compare their advance stats. Knight will be the better player. Jennings is nothing more of a ball hog chucking ***** who can't use his right hand to save his life. It's a downgrade

Gators123
07-30-2013, 07:26 PM
Jimmer Fredette was a good shooter in college too.

What a random comparison. KCP is also 6'6 and a good defender and very athletic.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 07:27 PM
Those stats are meaningless. Compare their w/s a/to ratio, efficiency etc. compare their advance stats. Knight will be the better player. Jennings is nothing more of a ball hog chucking ***** who can't use his right hand to save his life. It's a downgrade

Uh, I posted the advanced stats in that post...

rocket
07-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Uh, I posted the advanced stats in that post...

:laugh2:

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 07:34 PM
Brandon Knight is a better defender, ball handler and shooter.

Tony_Starks
07-30-2013, 07:43 PM
Good look for Detroit and Jennings. People love to hate on him but he was playing on a JV team with the Bucks and still did his thing. It'll be nice to see him with some actual talent around him....

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 07:44 PM
Good look for Detroit and Jennings. People love to hate on him but he was playing on a JV team with the Bucks and still did his thing. It'll be nice to see him with some actual talent around him....

He was the main reason why they were a JV team

rocket
07-30-2013, 07:51 PM
Brandon Knight is a better defender, ball handler and shooter.

no

Jamiecballer
07-30-2013, 07:52 PM
Those stats are meaningless. Compare their w/s a/to ratio, efficiency etc. compare their advance stats. Knight will be the better player. Jennings is nothing more of a ball hog chucking ***** who can't use his right hand to save his life. It's a downgrade

you guys should be able to relate then. bahaha.

Jamiecballer
07-30-2013, 07:53 PM
this is a great move for the Raptors :D

SeoulBeatz
07-30-2013, 07:53 PM
Beat me to it...

Now Detroit is looking like one of the best offensive teams in the league on paper. However, how they will do on defense is beyond me. Plus we still don't know who they're giving up, but either way, they're still a 7th or 8th seed next year in my opinion

hmm, id say detroit looks better on the defensive side of the ball than offensive IMO.

Drummond and Smith will certainly intimidate anybody trying to drive the lane against them.

Perimeter defense is certainly a question mark but I actually like what Detroit's doing. They certainly have a gritty squad going into next season.

IversonIsKrazy
07-30-2013, 07:55 PM
They'll be a 6-8 seed, first-round exit team now. Next year will be Knight's year to prove himself, otherwise I see him career being slim. I wonder how Jennings will play under Billups mentoring. COuld be a fun team to watch next season.

HeaTxRipZz
07-30-2013, 07:56 PM
Jennings needs to hit the gym early with his new teammates and work on learning where his teammates like to have the basketball. Being in that Bucks situation for awhile I can see him bringing bad habits over but it's definitely repairable. He needs to go pass first, shoot when they need me to.

Chauncey should be a HUGE help to Jennings as far as him learning when to shoot and when not to. He needs to work on that passing game though, maybe review tape of his current teammates and even get a ton of early practices in. The talent is definitely there

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 07:59 PM
you guys should be able to relate then. bahaha.

Yeah we're playoff teams, can't say the same about the Raps :p

Mr.SmackYoMama
07-30-2013, 08:09 PM
They need shooting big time but that's one of the most athletic teams in NBA

Jennings
KCP
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

Sorry just commenting on your sig.....Monta is it all :0)

CityofChaos
07-30-2013, 08:10 PM
Lol how does this make Detroit better defensively? Neither Jennings or Monroe are good defenders. Jennings is perhaps one of the worst defensive pg's in the league aside from his ex-team mate monta Ellis. Monroe is what he was in Georgetown: terrible defender but flashy passer and scorer

HeaTxRipZz
07-30-2013, 08:11 PM
Lol how does this make Detroit better defensively? Neither Jennings or Monroe are good defenders. Jennings is perhaps one of the worst defensive pg's in the league aside from his ex-team mate monta Ellis. Monroe is what he was in George t

The pairing of Josh and Drummond is where everyone is banking on defensively. Stuckey isn't too bad as well as Chauncey. There's some good pieces there

Jamiecballer
07-30-2013, 08:17 PM
Yeah we're playoff teams, can't say the same about the Raps :p

no, not yet we aren't. but the knicks add Bargnani, the pistons add Jennings, the Raptors are getting better by default :)

popo85
07-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Smith's a 4 they will probably bring Drummond as the 6th man for now. Jennings has the talent but needs to cut down on his shot selection and feed his 2 young bigs in the post and playoff of them.

lukass
07-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Brandon Knight is a better defender, ball handler and shooter.

Brandon Knight and ball handling don't belong in the same sentence. The only shooting Knight can do is spot up shooting nothing off the dribble. And im not sure where the better defender part comes in I mean knight is a 6'3 SG.....SMH

Raps18-19 Champ
07-30-2013, 08:19 PM
Is this their "win now" mode?

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 08:23 PM
no, not yet we aren't. but the knicks add Bargnani, the pistons add Jennings, the Raptors are getting better by default :)

Raps added Novak, playoffs (Jim Mora voice)

:)

lukass
07-30-2013, 08:23 PM
He was the main reason why they were a JV team

why does everyone of your posts seem so random without logic

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 08:24 PM
Brandon Knight and ball handling don't belong in the same sentence. The only shooting Knight can do is spot up shooting nothing off the dribble. And im not sure where the better defender part comes in I mean knight is a 6'3 SG.....SMH

Jennings is a 6'0 SG

Jamiecballer
07-30-2013, 08:26 PM
Raps added Novak, playoffs (Jim Mora voice)

:)
haha.

we subtracted Bargnani. anything else we do or did is gravy. we still aren't as good as your guys but the gap has definitely shrunk.

Gators123
07-30-2013, 08:26 PM
Is this their "win now" mode?

No, just a young team that still has a lot of potential to get better but are still good enough to be in the playoffs.

Jennings - 23
KCP - 20
Smith - 27
Monroe - 23
Drummond - 19

BirdIsTheWord
07-30-2013, 08:27 PM
Pretty good team if things play out well. With the right offensive system, something involving a lot of ball movement (Smith and Monroe are above average passers for the position), and Jennings getting the bigs involved, they should be good on that end and with Smith and Drummond their defense should be above-average.

HeaTxRipZz
07-30-2013, 08:28 PM
No just a young team that still has a lot of potential to get better but are still good enough to be in the playoffs.

Jennings - 23
KCP - 20
Smith - 27
Monroe - 23
Drummond - 19

Agreed, I still think Monroe will be moved so Josh and Drummond can run down low. I'd move him for a few more pieces and go from there. VERY nice core

SluggeR
07-30-2013, 08:31 PM
Drummond/Monroe/Smith should not start together. The Pistons will set back basketball 30 yrs offensively, if they start these guys together. I really didn't see the point of the Smith signing. Eventually between Drummond/Monroe/Smith, somebody is gonna be the odd man out. Drummond/Monroe/Jennings would make for nice foundation, but will Joe move Smith after just signing him?

rocket
07-30-2013, 08:32 PM
Is this their "win now" mode?

Well we still have Stuckey and CV to trade.

But I'd say were looking better than the Raptors future that's for sure.

lukass
07-30-2013, 08:38 PM
Jennings is a 6'0 SG

when Jennings wants to put it in PG mode he can and he will with talent around him especially bigs, when Knight wants to put it in PG mode he simply cannot. Therefore BK is a 6'3 SG and Jennings is a 6'0 PG.

dee279
07-30-2013, 08:51 PM
I like Drummond and im a fan of Smoove but must say that the Pistons wil def need a great coaching job from their coach. Also will be a horrible FT/3pt shooting team.

GiantsSwaGG
07-30-2013, 08:56 PM
when Jennings wants to put it in PG mode he can and he will with talent around him especially bigs, when Knight wants to put it in PG mode he simply cannot. Therefore BK is a 6'3 SG and Jennings is a 6'0 PG.

Well it seems like he doesn't want to most of the time. He wants to be like Allen Iverson

JasonJohnHorn
07-30-2013, 08:56 PM
Not a fan of Jennings. There is a reason teams weren't throwing offers at him. Knight wasn't that great, but Jeninings is a lot more money. Hopefuly Billups and Cheeks can mentor Jennings and turn him into a better player and a better play maker, because a play maker is what the Pistons need at this point.

lukass
07-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Well it seems like he doesn't want to most of the time. He wants to be like Allen Iverson

That's why I said "and he will with talent around him esp bigs" AI could be a good PG when he wanted to. Jennings just needs to learn when to do it and when not to what important is that he can now its up to coaches and players (billups) to show him how to use his talent. its not like were trading CP3 or even a Lawson or Holiday for Jennings we traded Brandon Knight this is clearly a huge upgrade at a great price

mrblisterdundee
07-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Who better to make Jennings a more responsible, efficient player than Mr. Big Shot?

scissors
07-30-2013, 09:52 PM
Its hilarious that both Jennings and Ellis turned down 3/36 contracts and now are both on 3/25's.

Their agents underestimated the intelligence of the leagues gms.

mark1125
07-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Hopefully Billups and Cheeks have a positive impact on Jennings.

JWO35
07-30-2013, 10:13 PM
Upgrade over Knight for sure.

Jennings
KCP
Smith
Monroe
Drummond

Nice team.

I'm thinking(hoping) Billups starts at SG...

Mcdoh
07-30-2013, 10:28 PM
nice upgrade for the pistons..

scissors
07-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Jennings is a 6'0 SG

he can shoot?

try a 6'0" slashing SF

raiderposting
07-31-2013, 12:13 AM
Move Monroe for a young wing and that team is dangerous.

TrueFan420
07-31-2013, 12:16 AM
Its hilarious that both Jennings and Ellis turned down 3/36 contracts and now are both on 3/25's.

Their agents underestimated the intelligence of the leagues gms.

They are both also on much better teams than before

Matrix3132
07-31-2013, 12:43 AM
They are both also on much better teams than before

Not too much better

Hellcrooner
07-31-2013, 12:48 AM
So Detroit signed Gordon and Villanueva.


o wait......

that was then?

er...................

not liking their offeseason so far.

GOod thing they have Monroe and Drummond, thats some great material to work with.

True Sports Fan
07-31-2013, 12:59 AM
Meh. Gonna be interesting to see how Detroit does this year. I think playoffs, but eliminated first/second round

DR_1
07-31-2013, 01:15 AM
Lol @ Pistons fans trying to rationalize this signing.

RollingWave
07-31-2013, 02:02 AM
it is rational, given the lack of options left on the table, Jennings is flawed in many ways (no defense, inefficient offense etc.) but at least he's a functional PG, which is more than you can say for Knight.

It puts Detroit at least more comfortably in the EC playoff picture. but probably still a first round exit type.

The fit is at least better than the other theoretical PG acquisition they were talking about... aka Rondo. at least Jennings has a 3 pointer and can hit free throws. but even then , they may have some trouble running a coherent team with Jennings / Smith / Monroe all being 25% ish USG guys.

FOBolous
07-31-2013, 03:15 AM
Jennings and Josh Smith? they're going to have the most inefficient offense in the NBA

Keep3HEATSOnMe
07-31-2013, 03:51 AM
Chuck City?

dalton749
07-31-2013, 04:33 AM
A chucker, a rookie, a pf who thinks he can shoot, Monroe, and a 19 year old Center. They will be on the wrong end of quite a few blow outs

JNA17
07-31-2013, 04:50 AM
if the NBA playoffs had a 9 seed, it'd be the detroit pistons.

I got Pistons as 6th seed. The East is god awful with only being top 3 or 4 heavy. Besides the Heat, Bulls, Pacers, Nets and Knicks, I don't see another team better than the current Pistons. Well...at least on paper.

Bucks are still going to suck, Bobcats are Bobcats, 76ers are tanking, Celtics are in rebuild mode, Orlando still rebuilding, Washington...Toronto...and Cavs (assuming their all healthy) will make the 8th seed.

The only other team that might still be better than the Pistons at this point is the Hawks. Otherwise, with the way the East is and how much better the Pistons got on paper, 6th seed is pretty realistic IMO.

RollingWave
07-31-2013, 05:03 AM
I got Pistons as 6th seed. The East is god awful with only being top 3 or 4 heavy. Besides the Heat, Bulls, Pacers, Nets and Knicks, I don't see another team better than the current Pistons. Well...at least on paper.

Bucks are still going to suck, Bobcats are Bobcats, 76ers are tanking, Celtics are in rebuild mode, Orlando still rebuilding, Washington...Toronto...and Cavs (assuming their all healthy) will make the 8th seed.

The only other team that might still be better than the Pistons at this point is the Hawks. Otherwise, with the way the East is and how much better the Pistons got on paper, 6th seed is pretty realistic IMO.

Yeah, basically this, I have the Hawks as bit better than the Pistons as they really have much less moving parts that might not fit.

But yeah, your list is essentially the same as mine, except that I thik the Bucks are probably not going to be as bad as you assume. 4 out of their 5 spots are between competent to good, the question is can they run the point with Ridnour and Knight? they just need to be not disastrous.

True Sports Fan
07-31-2013, 06:03 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2rf7xv

Golden State:

PG: Curry//Douglas//Nedovic
SG: Iguodala//Thorton//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Green//Iguodala
PF: Monroe//Speights
C: Bogut//O'Neal//Ezeli

Sacramento:

PG: Vasquez//Thomas//Fredette
SG: Maclemore//Salmons//Fredette
SF: Mbah A Moute//Outlaw//Salmons
PF: Lee//Landry//Thompson
C: Cousins//Hayes//Thompson

Detroit:

PG: Jennings//Billups//Bynum
SG: Stuckey//Singler//Billups
SF: Thompson//Maggete//Middleton
PF: Smith//Jerebko// Villanueva
C: Drummond//Krastov//Smith

Pass from Kings. Although a lineup of Cousins/Lee/Landry/Thompson would be arguably best offensive front court, don't see it helping us that much

True Sports Fan
07-31-2013, 06:21 AM
I'm thinking(hoping) Billups starts at SG...

Billups saying he left Clippers because he didn't like playing SG, so I don't see him playing SG besides short periods here and there.

time4change
07-31-2013, 07:10 AM
Beat me to it...

Now Detroit is looking like one of the best offensive teams in the league on paper. However, how they will do on defense is beyond me. Plus we still don't know who they're giving up, but either way, they're still a 7th or 8th seed next year in my opinion

Let me get this straight from some of PSD's finest here.


Brandon Jennings on the Bucks= Jennings amounts to garbage.

Jennings on the Pistons= One of the best offensive teams in eastern conference.

WTF??

ALl I've heard for years now from "brain's" here on PSD is how Jennings is the worst guard in the world, I've even heard people on here say Nate Robinson is better and now this? Give me a break.


The Bucks made out in this trade. Got rid of a head case who wanted out, and got a young (still growing) pg, (one who may actually want to be here), a young SF who will be capable of playing roughly 20 minutes (We have no SF's) and another young big who can spare Sanders if needed.

I'd say it was a fine deal for both ends.

NBA-GMaster
07-31-2013, 07:58 AM
Im not a fan of Jennings.. I think they are still the same team..

FraziersKnicks
07-31-2013, 08:44 AM
All those lefties on the same team and think of the swag points with Jennings and J-Smoove :drool:

I'll run with them on 2k

Gators123
07-31-2013, 10:05 AM
Ziller-


Josh Smith is quite good, a fringe All-Star candidate seemingly every year now. He helps a shallow Pistons frontcourt, even if he's required to play some small forward. (He's a superb rebounder at small forward and usually a spectacular defender. Usually.) And the key thing in this trade for Brandon Jennings -- in which Detroit agreed to pay him a really reasonable salary -- is that Jennings is currently loads better than Brandon Knight.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/31/4574400/brandon-jennings-trade-josh-smith-pistons-fans-shooting

rocket
07-31-2013, 12:39 PM
Pistons suck. Monroe can't shot. Drum is 19. Smith is a chucker. KCP is the worst pick in the draft. Jennings sucks.

Anything else?

Jamiecballer
07-31-2013, 12:51 PM
i actually like the pistons quite a bit. but you got the bit about Jennings right. i think they will be good but not as good as they were last week.

chillballpete
07-31-2013, 12:56 PM
All those lefties on the same team and think of the swag points with Jennings and J-Smoove :drool:

I'll run with them on 2k

:clap:

Gators123
07-31-2013, 02:06 PM
i actually like the pistons quite a bit. but you got the bit about Jennings right. i think they will be good but not as good as they were last week.


Just curious, why do you think that? Knight is a worse PG than Jennings. Hell, Knight was the worst PG on the Pistons last year. Both Bynum and Stuckey ran the team better than he did. Yes, Rodney Stuckey and Will Bynum.

rocket
07-31-2013, 02:20 PM
i actually like the pistons quite a bit. but you got the bit about Jennings right. i think they will be good but not as good as they were last week.

Jennings is going to change his style of play when he comes to Detroit. What you think Joe D acquired him to be a chucker and selfish player? You don't trade for someone that won't fit with the team.

Jamiecballer
07-31-2013, 02:52 PM
Jennings is going to change his style of play when he comes to Detroit. What you think Joe D acquired him to be a chucker and selfish player? You don't trade for someone that won't fit with the team.

So what are you saying then, that he was a selfish, low IQ basketball player in Milwaukee by personal choice? That's a very risky assumption.

TheNumber37
07-31-2013, 02:53 PM
Now that jennings Clearly has people to pass to, he better be in the 9 dime club.

This will be one of the worst shooting teams in the league, though. Rebounds stats inflated.

7th, 8th seed first round sweep for sure. And for years to come

Jamiecballer
07-31-2013, 02:55 PM
Just curious, why do you think that? Knight is a worse PG than Jennings. Hell, Knight was the worst PG on the Pistons last year. Both Bynum and Stuckey ran the team better than he did. Yes, Rodney Stuckey and Will Bynum.

you've got an awful lot of talent in the front court, and an awful lot of offense should come from it. really all a team like yours needed was someone to bring the ball across half court and get your team into it's offense, not turn it over, and be able to hit the open j. actually come to think of it Calderon would have been perfect here.

time4change
07-31-2013, 03:48 PM
Jennings is going to change his style of play when he comes to Detroit. What you think Joe D acquired him to be a chucker and selfish player? You don't trade for someone that won't fit with the team.

This is laughable.


Good luck with that.

Spanklin
07-31-2013, 03:56 PM
Detroit will find out in the first ten games that Josh Smith can't play the 3, that Jennings is an inefficient chucking combo guard with bottom of the barrel defense, and quickly realize they have to blow it up to save it.

Bye bye Mr. Monroe. I hope they can get a serviceable 3 for you; those aren't growing on trees these days. Pistons fans better start praying that Rudy Gay doesn't work out in Toronto and they come begging for a trade. Otherwise this entire off season has been a disaster for Detroit -- kinda feels appropriate given the bankruptcy.

RipCity32
07-31-2013, 04:01 PM
Jesus Christ settle down Spanklin lol.

rocket
07-31-2013, 04:03 PM
This is laughable.


Good luck with that.


Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 21h
It says something that Jennings took $8 million from Detroit but wouldn't take that from Milwaukee


Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 21h
The Pistons can't be deluded into thinking Jennings' current style will work here. You have to believe a conversation has already happened

ok :shrug:

dtmagnet
07-31-2013, 04:13 PM
ok :shrug:

So all you have to do to get a player to change themselves completely is tell them to? My God why hasn't anyone else thought of this yet?

rocket
07-31-2013, 04:33 PM
So all you have to do to get a player to change themselves completely is tell them to? My God why hasn't anyone else thought of this yet?

Jennings has to change his style of play with this team no matter.

detzfish
07-31-2013, 05:32 PM
Its my opinion that this will work. Smoove at the 3 seems to be everyones main concern but he can do it for a certain amount of time a game. I think he will still play quite a few minutes at the 4 with Monroe and drummond both being able to play the 5. Jennings is what the pistons needed and that's a scorer so this was a move they really needed to make and we will see how they mesh but I don't see a problem and they have a lot of talent going forward.

Jamiecballer
07-31-2013, 05:40 PM
Jennings has to change his style of play with this team no matter.

Uh huh. Didn't know "stupid" and "selfish" was a style.

rocket
07-31-2013, 05:43 PM
Uh huh. Didn't know "stupid" and "selfish" was a style.

How is it not a style of play?

hugepatsfan
07-31-2013, 05:50 PM
That DET team has a lot of talent but I don't see the fit. I like Josh Smith and think he's a good player but I just don't see him as a full time SF. Especially not if the PF is a second center like they have in their front court. They can work around that rotation wise...

Drummond: 30 mpg at C
Monroe: 18 mpg at C, 14 mpg at PF
Smith: 22 mpg at PF, 12 mpg at SF

That leaves 12 minutes per game at PF for a 4th big. The issue will come late in games when you want your 5 best players out on the floor. I don't think the 3 of them is a great lineup to close games out with.

In the backcourt I actually think Jennings could work out in the sense that if you have great offensive rebounding like I expect DET to having a low percentage shooter is less harmful. Still not ideal but in order to get an offensive putback a shot needs to be missed. I think there biggest concern might be questionable at best guard defense and even on the wings if Smith isn't playing SF (but then the offense goes back to a concern). Also a lack of wing scoring as well. I see them being a 7 or 8 seed and an easy first round out because that will draw them a tough matchup.

D-Leethal
07-31-2013, 06:34 PM
Not much brains and IQ in that starting lineup. Jennings and Smoove seems like a disaster pairing.

Gators123
07-31-2013, 06:43 PM
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/07/31/what-are-the-detroit-pistons/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

More often than not, the NBA team with the more talented roster wins out. There are certain cases where scheme, chemistry, and coaching allow a lesser roster to overcome a significant gap in talent, but usually talent reigns supreme. And while you can question all of the specifics regarding the additions of Jennings and Smith, I don’t think you can sincerely question that they increase the overall talent on the Pistons’ roster. Again, I’m not about to simply dismiss any questions about the future direction of the Pistons’ franchise (what’s the endgame here??) or about what how the heck Mo Cheeks is going to make this roster work. But at a certain point you want to start winning games. It could have been pressure from ownership to put more fans in the Palace or the front office may truly believe that a Drummond/Monroe/Jennings/Smith core can be a title contender in the future. But more likely, the Pistons saw an opportunity to improve their roster by adding two very talented players – and they did so without sacrificing much more than some newfound cap space (sorry, Brandon Knight). That seems pretty sensible to me.

JNA17
07-31-2013, 06:50 PM
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/07/31/what-are-the-detroit-pistons/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I actually agree with this. Say what you want about how stupid the Pistons are for not rebuilding like the Thunder did (which is very hard to do and not as easy as it looks), or what you think about Smith and Jennings being inefficient, but the talent on paper is MUCH better currently than last year's team.

Plus Jennings is still very young. Is it not possible for him to change his game on a new team?

D-Leethal
07-31-2013, 06:56 PM
I don't agree with that at all. Talent can and will win, just like the Lakers won this year, but talent that fits reigns surpreme. Talent that doesn't fit will beat up on talent-less teams en route to 8 seeds which is probably what the Pistons will do this year.

D-Leethal
07-31-2013, 06:57 PM
Sure they got better, they stocked up on talent, but they are going to play way below their actual talent level because the pieces don't fit.

JNA17
07-31-2013, 07:05 PM
I don't agree with that at all. Talent can and will win, just like the Lakers won this year, but talent that fits reigns surpreme. Talent that doesn't fit will beat up on talent-less teams en route to 8 seeds which is probably what the Pistons will do this year.

Lebron and Wade play as well together as brick in a laundry machine. Hell, Bosh looks like a shell of himself compared to his years with the Raptors. But even still, that talent alone beat a very talent and team oriented Spurs (although we have the Spurs missing free throws and Ray Allen to thank for that).

Its usually better to play like a team instead of just talent, but when you have THAT much talent, team compensation means absolute bollocks. Pistons for a while now lacked any kind of talent. Niw this year they some, despite some questionable pieces that might or might not fit well. But might as well give it a shot.

D-Leethal
07-31-2013, 07:10 PM
Lebron and Wade play as well together as brick in a laundry machine. Hell, Bosh looks like a shell of himself compared to his years with the Raptors. But even still, that talent alone beat a very talent and team oriented Spurs (although we have the Spurs missing free throws and Ray Allen to thank for that).

Its usually better to play like a team instead of just talent, but when you have THAT much talent, team compensation means absolute bollocks. Pistons for a while now lacked any kind of talent. Niw this year they some, despite some questionable pieces that might or might not fit well. But might as well give it a shot.

I actually agree with you to an extent, when your talent trumps the competition you can get away with that.

But I would counter with the Heat teaming up and Wade and LeBron being the bonafide #1 and #3/4 player in the game (not to mention Bosh who was a stud top 2-3 PF), and they couldn't get past a Mavericks team which might be one of the least talented teams to win a championship as far as starpower goes. Wade and LeBron are such smart players that they learned how to compliment eachother better and find ways to get their redundant games to mesh. Still not a prime fit, they gelled enough to make sure that talent fit enough to win chips.

D-Leethal
07-31-2013, 07:13 PM
When all your pieces fit you will win despite a talent deficit. When they don't fit you will lose with a talent surplus.

JNA17
07-31-2013, 07:41 PM
I actually agree with you to an extent, when your talent trumps the competition you can get away with that.

But I would counter with the Heat teaming up and Wade and LeBron being the bonafide #1 and #3/4 player in the game (not to mention Bosh who was a stud top 2-3 PF), and they couldn't get past a Mavericks team which might be one of the least talented teams to win a championship as far as starpower goes. Wade and LeBron are such smart players that they learned how to compliment eachother better and find ways to get their redundant games to mesh. Still not a prime fit, they gelled enough to make sure that talent fit enough to win chips.

I would argue that the Mavs were freaking loaded that year. Seriously at the moment, I can't think of ONE bad player they had on that team. Everybody was either good, very solid or very good and one star. Dirk, Chandler, Kidd (was still an all star that year, go figure), Terry (who pretty much defined sixth man), Stevenson, Barea, Butler, the list goes on. Yeah all played great together as a team which as a result, wins you titles but that team was freaking loaded. (And Cuban stupidly breaks the team up)

Lebron and Wade are smart players true, but look what we have seen as a result playing together. The only one of those three that have REALLY benifited was Lebron James. Every year since, Wade has regressed in both on the court and numbers wise, and Bosh turns into a jump shooter. I think it's more Lebron James officially taking over Miami instead of Lebron and Wade finding a way to play together. Because Wade is certainly not as good as a player playing with James than without him, and same obviously for Bosh when he was arguably the 2nd best PF in the league.

ANYWAY, the point I'm making here is that the Pistons finally acquired some talent. They weren't going anywhere with Brandon Knight as their Point Guard so might as well give Jennings a shot while he can still learn to play better since he's still so young. AND the Pistons have TWO, count em TWO potentially great bigmen in with Drummoned and Monroe. Those two alone can set your team up as title contenders in the future assuming they fulfill their potentials.

The big question mark here is Josh Smith. Most of us agree he doesn't exactly fit as a Small Foward due to him lacking a shooting touch, but Josh Smith is more known to be a great defender than as an offensive weapon. He could be capable of legit guarding guys like Lebron because he's a really good defender. My only expectation of them THIS SEASON is 7th seed or 6th seed. As the future, I have no freaking clue.

TorontoHuskies
07-31-2013, 08:02 PM
Jennings is gonna leave for Toronto as soon as that deal is up watch. Jennings in in love with Toronto wouldn't be surprised if he lived there while playing for Detroit.

JNA17
07-31-2013, 08:07 PM
Jennings is gonna leave for Toronto as soon as that deal is up watch. Jennings in in love with Toronto wouldn't be surprised if he lived there while playing for Detroit.

Even so, would you as a Raptors fan even want Jennings that much? XD

TorontoHuskies
07-31-2013, 08:21 PM
Even so, would you as a Raptors fan even want Jennings that much? XD

Not really haha..He seems overated but maybe he'd take a discount if we got his favourite rapper Drake to give a chance to start his rap career. Also, If Toronto flukes out and gets Wiggins he wouldn't be able to play like he does on Toronto. He's only 23 so he's got time to improve his game still.

Trueblue2
07-31-2013, 08:22 PM
Smith isnt gonna be playing the entire game at the 3, hell start there but will only play about 10 min there then be part of the big rotation. He shouldnt be playing much 3, just enough to get monroe and drummond minutes and in situations where they need a stop.

North Yorker
07-31-2013, 09:37 PM
That DET team has a lot of talent but I don't see the fit. I like Josh Smith and think he's a good player but I just don't see him as a full time SF. Especially not if the PF is a second center like they have in their front court. They can work around that rotation wise...

Drummond: 30 mpg at C
Monroe: 18 mpg at C, 14 mpg at PF
Smith: 22 mpg at PF, 12 mpg at SF

That leaves 12 minutes per game at PF for a 4th big. The issue will come late in games when you want your 5 best players out on the floor. I don't think the 3 of them is a great lineup to close games out with.

In the backcourt I actually think Jennings could work out in the sense that if you have great offensive rebounding like I expect DET to having a low percentage shooter is less harmful. Still not ideal but in order to get an offensive putback a shot needs to be missed. I think there biggest concern might be questionable at best guard defense and even on the wings if Smith isn't playing SF (but then the offense goes back to a concern). Also a lack of wing scoring as well. I see them being a 7 or 8 seed and an easy first round out because that will draw them a tough matchup.

Well that's an easy decision because why the hell would you want Drummond on the floor at the end of a close game until he proves he wont airball 2 FTs in a row.

Guppyfighter
07-31-2013, 09:42 PM
I am so sorry Detroit.

hugepatsfan
07-31-2013, 09:48 PM
I don't agree with that at all. Talent can and will win, just like the Lakers won this year, but talent that fits reigns surpreme. Talent that doesn't fit will beat up on talent-less teams en route to 8 seeds which is probably what the Pistons will do this year.


Sure they got better, they stocked up on talent, but they are going to play way below their actual talent level because the pieces don't fit.

Nailed it.

Tmath
07-31-2013, 09:52 PM
not really haha..he seems overated but maybe he'd take a discount if we got his favourite rapper drake to give a chance to start his rap career. Also, if toronto flukes out and gets wiggins he wouldn't be able to play like he does on toronto. He's only 23 so he's got time to improve his game still.

omg... :laugh2:

Guppyfighter
07-31-2013, 09:53 PM
They are going to play well below that talent because that talent is not efficient. Jennings takes more step back 20 foot jumpers than MJ, he's an awful passer and literally never tried a lay up with his right hand last year which made him incredibly easy to guard last year.

Josh Smith? An amazing talent. Problem? Dumb as dirt, doesn't realize he'd be good as Blake Griffin if not better if he stopped taking jump shots just like Blake Griffin.

Drummond? Awesome, but free throws hurt, a lot.

Monroe, MEH.

Billups is only good for 20 minutes a game.

TorontoHuskies
07-31-2013, 10:06 PM
omg... :laugh2:

ahh your just pissed off because I told you I was cheering for Toronto to lose this season lol (or are you laughing at my drake comment because that's probably what he actually wants?). Seriously though Jennings obviously didn't like being in Milwaukie so ppl should wait to see how he is on Detroit before labeling a 23 year old.

rocket
07-31-2013, 10:18 PM
You guys can't sit here and act like you know how they will play together. But, I also can't sit her and tell you they will play good together.

Who knows what happens. I just hope Cheeks can create a good team.

FOBolous
07-31-2013, 10:20 PM
You guys can't sit here and act like you know how they will play together. But, I also can't sit her and tell you they will play good together.

i can sit here and tell you that with Jennings and Smith, they will have one of the most inefficient offense in the NBA

rocket
07-31-2013, 11:33 PM
i can sit here and tell you that with Jennings and Smith, they will have one of the most inefficient offense in the NBA

Yeah me too

RipCity32
08-01-2013, 12:56 AM
Sekou Smith, NBA.com:

" Call me crazy, but the Detroit Pistons could be on to a little something with their risky free agent summer. Smith, Billups and now Jennings, who the Asch Man points out gets his cash and a fresh start in the Motor City. For a franchise that has been searching for a way back to the playoff mix the past few years, the Pistons seem like they are on the right path with their mix of edgy veterans, potentially All-Star-laden homegrown talent (young bigs Monroe and Drummond) and an intriguing mix of worker bees (Kyle Singler, Jonas Jerebko, Will Bynum) and specialists (Italian shooter Gigi Datome). Most people had the Pistons picked as a borderline candidate to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. I think they are not only going to make it but they could challenge for the sixth seed behind Miami, Indiana, Chicago, Brooklyn and New York, if things play out the way Pistonsí general manager Joe Dumars has them planned".



Fran Blinebury, NBA.com:

"Iím taking a flyer on the Pistons, who already had two solid front-line up-and-comers in Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond and landed veteran Josh Smith in free agency. Smith should be the consistent scorer that the Pistons need to make scoring easier. The acquisition of Brandon Jennings should give the offense a further boost, especially if he can heed the wise counsel of returning favorite Chauncey Billups as a mentor. If rookie Kentavious Caldwell-Pope can show what he can do early, new coach Maurice Cheeks could have his team sniffing at the playoff race".

Lake_Show2416
08-01-2013, 02:15 AM
Jennings & Josh Smith with Drummond making rookie mistakes, talk about the circus coming to a city near u

xxcubs22xx
08-01-2013, 03:38 AM
The Pistons (and Jennings) are being overrated right now IMO. Statistics show that Jennings is ineffective and inefficient. What's Billups going to contribute in his old age? How does "J-Smoove" fit into the picture? They were better off with Brandon Knight IMO. And they have a lot of puzzle-piece-shuffling to do right now.

I realize that BJ is not a FA anymore, but watch this video. It explains in detail why all the hub-bub over Jennings isn't well deserved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHndbNPYi0

JWO35
08-01-2013, 11:01 AM
You guys can't sit here and act like you know how they will play together. But, I also can't sit her and tell you they will play good together.

Who knows what happens. I just hope Cheeks can create a good team.

Exactly...I mean last year when Dwight went to LA people were reserving their paprde tickets at Staples the next day. On paper no doubt we are a better team...but games are won on the court.

Gators123
08-01-2013, 11:04 AM
Even Bill Simmons likes the Pistons off-season lol

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9522281/the-nba-midnight-run-part-2


Remember my 90/10 column about Russell Westbrook, and how certain All-Stars get picked apart just because their deficiencies happen to be more glaring than normal? That's Josh Smith in a nutshell.

Fact: For the past five years, he's been the best or second-best player for a team that went 228-166 and made the playoffs every year.

Fact: Since 2008, Josh Smith has won more playoff series (three) than Chris Paul (two).

Fact: In the last four seasons, Josh Smith averaged 17.0 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.9 assists and 3.2 stocks (steals + blocks) while shooting 47.5 percent and missing just 12 games total.

Fact: In nine years, Josh Smith never missed more than 13 games in one season, and he's missed only 46 games total for his career. He's durable as hell.

Fact: If you made a "Best Forwards in Basketball" list right now, LeBron and Durant would go first and second, obviously, followed by Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Dirk Nowitzki. If Kevin Love is healthy, I'd have him sixth, followed by Blake Griffin seventh.8 You know who's eighth if you threw out salaries and just based this list on "What am I getting every night on both ends RIGHT NOW if I need a quality forward to play 36 minutes a night for me as my best or second-best player on a playoff team"? That's right, Josh Smith. You'd take him over Serge Ibaka, Anthony Davis and everyone else except mayyyyyyyybe David West.

So Detroit paid less than max money for, right now, the eighth-best forward in basketball. That's a bad idea??? Now they can build around Andre Drummond, Smith, Greg Monroe, Brandon Jennings (more on him in a second) and $17 million in expirings (Charlie Villanueva and Rodney Stuckey) that could absolutely be flipped for one more asset. What's wrong with that? Especially if Drummond (a potential stud who blossomed this summer into a 290-pound, 6-percent-body-fat Dwight Howard look-alike) continues to improve? Hold on, one more Pistons quote.

"Are you gonna stand up there with your thumb up your *** or are you gonna get me the f--- outta here?"

To Brandon Jennings, who went from "Oh God, someone's gonna give him the max this summer and it's gonna be a calamity" to "Good Lord, getting that guy for three years and $25 million is a borderline hijacking!" I loved that trade for Detroit, if only because they're going to be 2014's most entertaining crunch-time team on League Pass: I can't even imagine how many different ways Twitter is going to ridicule Josh Smith and Jennings fighting to outdo each other on off-balance "no-no-no-YES!" shots with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. Regardless, that's an entertaining team. Even if this ruined any chance of my dream New Year's Eve mega-tank deal for the Celtics: Rondo, Courtney Lee and Wallace's $30.3 million basketball cadaver for Monroe, Knight, the Villanueva–Stuckey expirings and a 2016 unprotected no. 1 pick. Sayonara, my Trade Machine fantasy.

time4change
08-01-2013, 11:18 AM
Even Bill Simmons likes the Pistons off-season lol

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9522281/the-nba-midnight-run-part-2

That's your freaking argument! Because Bill Simmons say's so!


Good god.

Gators123
08-01-2013, 11:21 AM
That's your freaking argument! Because Bill Simmons say's so!


Good god.

Bill Simmons is a known Pistons hater. Not using that as my argument. Just thought it was funny.

time4change
08-01-2013, 11:22 AM
Jennings has to change his style of play with this team no matter.

Jennings HAD to change his game on the Bucks to, how'd that work out for him.


Oh yah but that's right I'm supposed to believe Brandon Prima Donna Jennings is happy about a move from a city who can at the very least pay their bills to a city who just filed for bankruptcy.

This is in no way a personal dis towards you I'm just stating the facts about the two cities and a kid I have grown to know very well over the past 4 seasons.

time4change
08-01-2013, 11:23 AM
Bill Simmons is a known Pistons hater. Not using that as my argument. Just thought it was funny.

Ok, just making sure. lol


Any person with a brain who saw the draft this year knows just how much Bill Simmons knows about basketball.

Gators123
08-01-2013, 11:25 AM
Jennings HAD to change his game on the Bucks to, how'd that work out for him.


Oh yah but that's right I'm supposed to believe Brandon Prima Donna Jennings is happy about a move from a city who can at the very least pay their bills to a city who just filed for bankruptcy.

This is in no way a personal dis towards you I'm just stating the facts about the two cities and a kid I have grown to know very well over the past 4 seasons.

Thats one of the dumbest things I have read. Tom Gores is paying Jennings. Not the city of Detroit. So why does that matter?

And The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, not Detroit. You don't know what you're talking about.

GiantsSwaGG
08-01-2013, 11:29 AM
Jennings is going to change his style of play when he comes to Detroit. What you think Joe D acquired him to be a chucker and selfish player? You don't trade for someone that won't fit with the team.


ok :shrug:


Jennings has to change his style of play with this team no matter.

Stop

RipCity32
08-01-2013, 11:30 AM
What a dumbass!!Why would Jennings go and live in Detroit?Like he's just going to go buy a house in the ghetto of Detroit and become a blood or something.The City of Detroit really has nothing to do with the Pistons and actually downtown Detroit is pretty fun.

GiantsSwaGG
08-01-2013, 11:38 AM
Piston will be a playoff team but won't make noise. To think Jennings can change is laughable. He doesn't have a right and and is a inffencient chucker.

GiantsSwaGG
08-01-2013, 11:41 AM
What a dumbass!!Why would Jennings go and live in Detroit?Like he's just going to go buy a house in the ghetto of Detroit and become a blood or something.The City of Detroit really has nothing to do with the Pistons and actually downtown Detroit is pretty fun.

Detroit is broke, says alot about the city

RipCity32
08-01-2013, 11:49 AM
I've lived 20 minutes from Detroit my whole life and I'm doing just fine.I've got a great job,Good education and have never been shot so its cool.Detroit is just to massive of a city and they cant afford to take care of it anymore.Outside of downtown it does look like a nuclear war just took place though.Detroit needs to start selling some of the city off to some of the neighboring cities.Just way to big of a city with no income coming in outside of the downtown area.

Stinkyoutsider
08-01-2013, 12:09 PM
Hope that Jennings is willing to be mentored by Billips. I think Detroit is in a situation where they should play from inside out offensively. Work with Drummond this offseason to develop a go to post move and a secondary move and you have the makings of a playoff quality team imo.

If Jennings plays like he played in Milwalkee, I don't think Monroe or Drummond will see as much of the ball as they need to.

I think this move may signal that the Pistons are done rebuilding.

RipCity32
08-01-2013, 12:19 PM
Detroit has always been a big sports town to for a small market.Say what you want about the city but the Pistons aside from the Spurs have Been the best small market team in the league unless you also consider Boston a small market.

TorontoHuskies
08-01-2013, 12:26 PM
I've lived 20 minutes from Detroit my whole life and I'm doing just fine.I've got a great job,Good education and have never been shot so its cool.Detroit is just to massive of a city and they cant afford to take care of it anymore.Outside of downtown it does look like a nuclear war just took place though.Detroit needs to start selling some of the city off to some of the neighboring cities.Just way to big of a city with no income coming in outside of the downtown area.

I remember talking to some people from Detroit in Windsor awhile back and they were telling me that a bunch of people from Detroit end up moving to Windsor and commute everyday for work. So I was like "why do they do that?" And they were like "if you have to ask you obviously have never been to Detroit" haha.

RipCity32
08-01-2013, 12:42 PM
Nowhere you would want to live that's for sure.

driz
08-01-2013, 12:56 PM
Not to mention...the Pistons play in Auburn Hills about 30 minutes North of Detroit. Most of the players live in Birmingham, Bloomfield, Royal Oak, or other places right around Auburn Hills. Unless they're going to a Lions game, a Tigers game, one of the Casinos (ahem, Iverson), they wouldn't be going anywhere near the city of Detroit...just like every other person with a decent job in the Metro Detroit area. So the state of the city having ANY correlation with the pro Basketball team is just grasping at straws at this point.

And to look at what Jennings did in Milwaukee and try to use it to damn his future performance on the Pistons is pretty flimsy. Aside from Ellis, there's basically no talent on that team. Definitely no one to play at Jennings' tempo. Teamed up with Josh Smith and Drummond will be a god send for him. And having Chauncey and Mo Cheeks helping the kid out (he's only 23) should pay dividends.

Also, let's keep in mind he's getting $8M per. Go look at salaries and check out the other players who make right around 8. It's a great contract for Detroit. Also keep in mind he's going to be 26 when this deal runs out. The Pistons will have him for the 3 years he's trying to show the world he's worth that 6 year 75M deal. It's not this contract that sets him up for life...it's the following. And everyone knows a player playing for that next deal is the guy you want.

flea
08-01-2013, 01:01 PM
I would have rolled the dice for another year with Knight and then gotten my PG or SF of the future (or both) in this draft. I'm not convinced Jennings has the intelligence to play PG at a high level. He'd be a good sixth man, though. I don't really agree with many of Dumars's basketball moves, though.

shep33
08-01-2013, 01:04 PM
I don't like what they did this offseason because I think Monroe and Drummond are going to suffer the most. We're talking about two high volume, low efficiency offensive players in Smith and Jennings.

driz
08-01-2013, 04:34 PM
I would have rolled the dice for another year with Knight and then gotten my PG or SF of the future (or both) in this draft. I'm not convinced Jennings has the intelligence to play PG at a high level. He'd be a good sixth man, though. I don't really agree with many of Dumars's basketball moves, though.

Chances are the first round pick is going to Charlotte from the deal last year that got Maggette.

Here's a solid quote from a solid article found here (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70076/dunking-tanking-all-hail-the-pistons) that I feel summarizes my exact feelings on the signing...


Jennings isn't as hopeless as everyone says. He's got enough talent to hang with the best point guards in the league and not get blown off the court. If you're paying him $12 million a year to be one of your two or three best players, then yeah, he's overrated and flawed and he'll drive you insane. But $8 million a year to fill a gaping hole at point guard? Then he's more of a luxury. And Jennings will be surrounded by more talent than he's ever seen in Milwaukee, with the added bonus of Chauncey Billups there to help him grow.

So much of the NBA comes down to luck. If you're not Kevin Durant or LeBron James, finding the right situation to thrive in is half the battle. For example, Ty Lawson is great, but he also landed in Denver, where he could (a) learn behind Chauncey Billups for his first year, and (b) push the ball constantly and play to his strengths. I'm not saying Lawson's overrated, but if you put him in Milwaukee for the past four seasons, he might have looked just as flawed as Brandon Jennings. Now, after a summer when Jennings kinda turned into a league-wide punch line, he lands in Detroit with a chip on his shoulder and a fresh start. This could work better than you think. It was a smart deal.

MonroeFAN
08-01-2013, 05:10 PM
Bloomfield Hills is the 2nd weathliest city in the country last time I checked, and has teetered from 1-10 since they started keeping records.

It's about 30 minutes away from Detroit. It's not all trash here (although there is certainly a lot of it).

xxcubs22xx
08-02-2013, 04:57 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he isn't worth 8 mil a year? :shrug:

He's an inefficient chucker that can't finish with his off hand. That's pretty limiting for a high volume offensive guard. As stated above I hope for the sake of their team that he doesn't take looks away from his teammates.

I agree with Flea as I would have rolled the dice with Knight for another year.

RollingWave
08-02-2013, 07:08 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he isn't worth 8 mil a year? :shrug:

He's an inefficient chucker that can't finish with his off hand. That's pretty limiting for a high volume offensive guard. As stated above I hope for the sake of their team that he doesn't take looks away from his teammates.

I agree with Flea as I would have rolled the dice with Knight for another year.

Well, the last 3 RFA PG have basically all gotten 8 per (Jennings / Teague / Lin) and the other 2 certainly has holes in their game as well (and basically all 3 are the same age.) . so that seem to be the going rate for that sort of player, which essentially means if they stay at that level going forward it's overpay but most people are paying that money presuming that most NBA players gets better between 24 to 27, sometimes by significant margins..

I would say this, next year anyway, I would feel more comfortable with Jennings than with Knight, if I'm a team that's on the margins of making the playoff. in a vacuum yes I would roll with Knight for another year too instead of giving Jennings 3/24 (I especially dislike his attitude, i mean your all rolling the dice with these guys you'd be much more comfortable rolling it with guys you know aren't delusional of their own ability.). but this isn't a vacuum here, Detroit is probably right on the very edge of playoffs, so marginal improvements are worth quite a bit.

Jamiecballer
08-02-2013, 09:01 AM
I don't like what they did this offseason because I think Monroe and Drummond are going to suffer the most. We're talking about two high volume, low efficiency offensive players in Smith and Jennings.

Knicks have made it work but it's different for Detroit isn't it because the bad decision maker is at the very head of the attack. What a weird move. Pistons had a nice shiny new car to drive this season and they turned the keys over to one of the worst decision makers out there :shrug:

The Darkhorse
08-02-2013, 09:16 AM
I would have rolled the dice for another year with Knight and then gotten my PG or SF of the future (or both) in this draft. I'm not convinced Jennings has the intelligence to play PG at a high level. He'd be a good sixth man, though. I don't really agree with many of Dumars's basketball moves, though.

Knight has never shown the natural instincts of a true PG (not that Jennings has either!). He is a combo guard and Piston fans don't have the patience to let him develop. They have waited too long with Stuckey already. Besides, Joe D needs to win this year or he is gone. He had to make more moves and Jennings will fit better with the uptempo game it appears the Pistons will be playing this year. BK7 is a good kid and I hated that he was traded. But Jennings is an upgrade and will provide more excitement and a better chance to win.

JWO35
08-02-2013, 09:44 AM
Knicks have made it work but it's different for Detroit isn't it because the bad decision maker is at the very head of the attack. What a weird move. Pistons had a nice shiny new car to drive this season and they turned the keys over to one of the worst decision makers out there :shrug:
Giving Brandon Knight the keys would be like giving a 15yr old keys to a Corvette... He's going to **** it up one way or another.

Jamiecballer
08-02-2013, 11:49 AM
Giving Brandon Knight the keys would be like giving a 15yr old keys to a Corvette... He's going to **** it up one way or another.

ok i haven't watched Brandon Knight enough for sure but it's not like those are the only two options.

Deception
08-02-2013, 12:04 PM
ok i haven't watched Brandon Knight enough for sure but it's not like those are the only two options.

Well, it was either draft a PG (Burke, who did horrible in SL) or give up someone like Drummond just to get Rondo. This was a low risk, high reward. Knight, Slava, and Middleton for Jennings is a great deal, whether or not he pans out. Many Exec's think his contract was a steal as well. And if it doesn't pan out, it's only 3 years.

Jamiecballer
08-02-2013, 12:15 PM
Well, it was either draft a PG (Burke, who did horrible in SL) or give up someone like Drummond just to get Rondo. This was a low risk, high reward. Knight, Slava, and Middleton for Jennings is a great deal, whether or not he pans out. Many Exec's think his contract was a steal as well. And if it doesn't pan out, it's only 3 years.

i understand your point of view. and i'll agree with the high reward part. low risk - financially maybe but as far as continuing to build a promising basketball team i'll disagree. i think it's very high risk. as you said though, it's only 3 years and who knows maybe the way the off-season unfolded will humble the kid.

Reddi Red
08-02-2013, 03:01 PM
Not to mention...the Pistons play in Auburn Hills about 30 minutes North of Detroit. Most of the players live in Birmingham, Bloomfield, Royal Oak, or other places right around Auburn Hills. Unless they're going to a Lions game, a Tigers game, one of the Casinos (ahem, Iverson), they wouldn't be going anywhere near the city of Detroit...just like every other person with a decent job in the Metro Detroit area. So the state of the city having ANY correlation with the pro Basketball team is just grasping at straws at this point.

And to look at what Jennings did in Milwaukee and try to use it to damn his future performance on the Pistons is pretty flimsy. Aside from Ellis, there's basically no talent on that team. Definitely no one to play at Jennings' tempo. Teamed up with Josh Smith and Drummond will be a god send for him. And having Chauncey and Mo Cheeks helping the kid out (he's only 23) should pay dividends.

Also, let's keep in mind he's getting $8M per. Go look at salaries and check out the other players who make right around 8. It's a great contract for Detroit. Also keep in mind he's going to be 26 when this deal runs out. The Pistons will have him for the 3 years he's trying to show the world he's worth that 6 year 75M deal. It's not this contract that sets him up for life...it's the following. And everyone knows a player playing for that next deal is the guy you want.

then take "Detroit" out of your signature!!!
you NOT from Detroit right?
what have YOU done to help the situation. If "nothing" is your answer, then keep you dumb comments about the city to yourself, especially when these other guys from other cities get a kick out of the struggle Detroit is in right now.

Reddi Red
08-02-2013, 03:06 PM
What a dumbass!!Why would Jennings go and live in Detroit?Like he's just going to go buy a house in the ghetto of Detroit and become a blood or something.The City of Detroit really has nothing to do with the Pistons and actually downtown Detroit is pretty fun.

um, just for the record, there are affluent parts of Detroit........its not all ghetto.
oh, and yeah, the "bloods" dont really hang out in Detroit.

and I really hate the fact that they are making downtown Detroit a playground for your suburbanites to come trash every weekend.
say or do something to help the city.

Reddi Red
08-02-2013, 03:15 PM
sorry people, i hate to see my city hemorrhage the way it is.

so yeah, BJennings is a big step up over BKnight.
He has a stronger will then Knight and more craftier with the ball.
He wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm not mad.
I think he is young enough to be coached into the system and flourish in it.
He was a chucker in Milkwauke because they werent working with anything and he was given the green light.
He has to be part of a developing system here and with Cheeks & Chauncey mentoring/coaching, he may be salvagable and could even turn into a top tier PG.

with Drummond & Josh Smith, this could maybe become Lob city 2.0.

Deception
08-02-2013, 03:34 PM
i understand your point of view. and i'll agree with the high reward part. low risk - financially maybe but as far as continuing to build a promising basketball team i'll disagree. i think it's very high risk. as you said though, it's only 3 years and who knows maybe the way the off-season unfolded will humble the kid.

Well it's hard to build a team through free agency when you're not in a huge market team or a team that has been down for the past few years. I believe that Dumars hopes this will attract a free agent next year when we open up around 16 million in cap.

RipCity32
08-02-2013, 11:16 PM
um, just for the record, there are affluent parts of Detroit........its not all ghetto.
oh, and yeah, the "bloods" dont really hang out in Detroit.

and I really hate the fact that they are making downtown Detroit a playground for your suburbanites to come trash every weekend.
say or do something to help the city.

Settle down It was obviously me playing around.Ive always lived right around Detroit.Do I think the place is a **** hole though that has been ran by nothing but corruption umm yup.I love my Detroit teams but there's no way in hell you would ever catch me raising my kids in that 3rd world country.The place is a mess and that's just a fact.

driz
08-03-2013, 10:34 AM
The city of Detroit is a wasteland. Yeah, not areas are "that bad". There's a small movement of affluent people buying old mansions and fixing them up. Yeah, there's some small developments right downtown. And aside from that??? Miles and miles and miles of essentially a 3rd world country. Another dead girl found dead and burned last night in - what was it again? YOUR city?

Yeah hang your hat on that city. Every politician YOU GUYS have voted in has systematically picked at the scraps like a bunch of vultures for decades now. I wouldn't exactly be trying to go at people for choosing to live in the suburbs. I guess I should go change "Detroit" to "St. Clair Shores" in my profile since I choose to live in a neighborhood with working street lights.

Only reason anyone lives in the city of Detroit is either they can't afford not to, or just plain stubborn ignorance.

rocket
08-03-2013, 10:50 AM
Detroits a dump lol. The only nice part is downtown Detroit. I don't care if you live there.

JWO35
08-03-2013, 10:57 AM
The city of Detroit is a wasteland. Yeah, not areas are "that bad". There's a small movement of affluent people buying old mansions and fixing them up. Yeah, there's some small developments right downtown. And aside from that??? Miles and miles and miles of essentially a 3rd world country. Another dead girl found dead and burned last night in - what was it again? YOUR city?

Yeah hang your hat on that city. Every politician YOU GUYS have voted in has systematically picked at the scraps like a bunch of vultures for decades now. I wouldn't exactly be trying to go at people for choosing to live in the suburbs. I guess I should go change "Detroit" to "St. Clair Shores" in my profile since I choose to live in a neighborhood with working street lights.

Only reason anyone lives in the city of Detroit is either they can't afford not to, or just plain stubborn ignorance.

Completely not true...nothing wrong with your opinion on Detroit, in ways I agree. But what's in bold is completely untrue and is one of the fallacies suburbanites have about people living in Detroit. You are mostly right I'd say about 90% of the people living in Detroit probably can't afford to go elsewhere...but in my case if my parents can shell out 9k/yr for me to go to college I'm sure they can move out of the city easily.

They combined make 6 figures, only reason they are probably still in Detroit is because of their job, if they were to move out of the city they would have to quit.

GunFactor187
08-03-2013, 01:17 PM
Politics Forum :p

FortDetroit
08-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Jennings HAD to change his game on the Bucks to, how'd that work out for him.


Oh yah but that's right I'm supposed to believe Brandon Prima Donna Jennings is happy about a move from a city who can at the very least pay their bills to a city who just filed for bankruptcy.

This is in no way a personal dis towards you I'm just stating the facts about the two cities and a kid I have grown to know very well over the past 4 seasons.

Good thing the Pistons don't play in the city of Detroit then. :o

And even if they did actually play in Detroit, how would the city filing for bankruptcy affect Jennings?

lukass
08-03-2013, 08:37 PM
I live two blocks from Ford Field and Comerica Park. I love it compared to Southfield where I grew up. Last time I was up there the streets weren't plowed and the garbage was getting picked up but we got the best damn sports fans in the world!! But about Jennings... a lot of upside at 23 on a great contract how can you argue against that, its a great addition and the kid will be ready to prove his critics wrong

Guppyfighter
08-03-2013, 08:41 PM
Anyone who thinks Jennings is a good player and going to help the team should watch the Bucks last year and then laugh at themselves.

RipCity32
08-03-2013, 08:54 PM
Anyone who thinks Jennings is a good player and going to help the team should watch the Bucks last year and then laugh at themselves.

Is his impact really any different from Rudy Gay?

Gators123
08-03-2013, 09:15 PM
Anyone who thinks Jennings is a good player and going to help the team should watch the Bucks last year and then laugh at themselves.


Hes better than Knight though.

lukass
08-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Anyone who thinks Jennings is a good player and going to help the team should watch the Bucks last year and then laugh at themselves.

you should laugh at yourself dumb***!!! Lets see here Chauncey Billups was on the Celltic with Paul Pierce he was in Minny with KG then he came to Detroit and all of a sounded was on the map. So in case you dont see where Im going any young player with good potential can not succeed on one team then become an ALL-Star on another no matter what the roster consists of. Stop hatin fool!!!

Guppyfighter
08-04-2013, 08:31 AM
you should laugh at yourself dumb***!!! Lets see here Chauncey Billups was on the Celltic with Paul Pierce he was in Minny with KG then he came to Detroit and all of a sounded was on the map. So in case you dont see where Im going any young player with good potential can not succeed on one team then become an ALL-Star on another no matter what the roster consists of. Stop hatin fool!!!

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