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RedSoxtober
07-30-2013, 04:42 PM
Update ‏@JeffPassan 1m
Final deal: Peavy, Bryan Villareal to Boston. Iglesias to Detroit. Avisail Garcia, Cleuluis Rondon, Frank Montas, JB Wendelken to ChiSox.
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Since Peavy has emerged as one of the most sought after and discussed pitchers on the market for the Red Sox we're breaking out a separate thread to catch the latest news.


Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston reports that the Diamondbacks have emerged as the front runner to acquire Jake Peavy from the White Sox.

Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers traded Peavy to the White Sox four years ago when he was at the helm in San Diego, but he's now looking for a reunion in Arizona. It's not known what the Diamondbacks are willing to offer, but the White Sox have set the bar pretty high in trade discussions. The 32-year-old right-hander is under contract for $14.5 million in 2014.


The White Sox announced that Jake Peavy's next start has been pushed back to Wednesday.

That's assuming he's not dealt before the non-waiver trade deadline at 4 p.m. ET. Peavy was scratched from Tuesday's scheduled start, which is an indication that the White Sox are heavily involved in trade discussions.


FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that there are no current discussions between the Cardinals and White Sox regarding right-hander Jake Peavy.

The Cardinals have been mentioned as a possible landing spot over the past couple of weeks, but there's no momentum toward a deal at this point. The Diamondbacks have also been rumored, but Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that they have dropped out of the running since Brandon McCarthy and Trevor Cahill are expected to return from the disabled list soon. The White Sox have scratched Peavy from his scheduled start on Tuesday, so it still appears likely he'll be moved before Wednesday's deadline.
via roto

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 05:00 PM
I would love to get this guy in a BoSox uniform

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 05:00 PM
Sean McAdam
‏@Sean_McAdam
Despite interest from 4 teams - Red Sox, A's, D'backs, Cards - sense is White Sox are coming down on Peavy asking price. #RedSoxTalk

grandsalami
07-30-2013, 08:47 PM
“@jcrasnick: Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks, Kennedy to #angels. Not sure who #whitesox would get.”

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 09:28 PM
******

grandsalami
07-30-2013, 10:22 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 37s
#redsox are in serious talks for jake peavy

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:27 PM
@Buster_ESPN 19s
The Red Sox and White Sox have been talking about Jake Peavy, and sources say it's got legs.

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:32 PM
@Buster_ESPN 14s
The White Sox and Red Sox are reviewing medical records on a possible Jake Peavy deal.

‏@Ken_Rosenthal now
Source: #RedSox close to acquiring #WhiteSox’s Peavy.

JonHeymanCBS 36s
red sox and white sox have a peavy deal.

@PeteAbe 8s
These #RedSox moves are related to Peavy.
@JonHeymanCBS 38s
jose iglesias is believed to be n the move. could be in peavy deal, but unconfirmed.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:38 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 59s
jose iglesias is believed to be n the move. could be in peavy deal, but unconfirmed.
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-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:39 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 9s
iglesias is believed to be in peavy deal, going to white sox. multiple players tho.

If it's Iggy and JBjr that is a horrific trade, especially if we are taking on the money as well.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:39 PM
Holy SHYT

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:40 PM
@JonHeymanCBS 1m
iglesias is believed to be in peavy deal, going to white sox. multiple players tho.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 10:40 PM
I'm scared.

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:40 PM
@BNightengale 14s
Jake Peavy traded to #Redsox and #Whitesox may get Iglesias, per @JonHeymanCBS

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 10:42 PM
We better be getting a bat if there are multiple players going from our side.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:42 PM
If JBjr is in it I would say that is by far the worst trade Cherington has made in his tenure. We don't even really need Peavy with the way Workman has pitched. If Iggy is the big piece thean I am fine with it

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Ben is not stupid enough to trade Iggy AND JBjr for Jake Peavy right?!?! RIGHT?!?!

AI
07-30-2013, 10:44 PM
If we gave up JBJ for Peavy I'm going to flip.

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:45 PM
‏@brianmacp 20s
Per @alexspeier, the Peavy deal is a three-way deal with the Tigers. Jackie Bradley is not a part of it. Jose Iglesias is.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Brian MacPherson ‏@brianmacp 34s
Per @alexspeier, the Peavy deal is a three-way deal with the Tigers. Jackie Bradley is not a part of it. Jose Iglesias is.
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Crucis
07-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Let's all calm down. Let's wait for the other shoe to drop and learn who's in the trade before we go ballistic on BC.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Maybe Peavy an Rios? I know Rios got hurt but it don't sound very serious

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Iggy to the Tigers? They probably need a SS with Peralta about to be suspended

Crucis
07-30-2013, 10:47 PM
Iggy to the Tigers? They probably need a SS with Peralta about to be suspended

Makes sense. But who do the Chisox get?

bagwell368
07-30-2013, 10:48 PM
If it's Iggy and JBjr that is a horrific trade, especially if we are taking on the money as well.

Not sure that's true. Both players could turn out to be big gloves that are disappointing hitters. If Iggy turns out to be a .225/.255/.280 hitter and JBJ .255/.315/.365 - than those guys probably won't cut it here anyhow.

I'm not too worried about 3B/SS going forward, but CF means signing Ells (meh), moving Victorino over (meh), or signing someone else (meh).

RedSoxtober
07-30-2013, 10:49 PM
Brian MacPherson ‏@brianmacp 34s
Per @alexspeier, the Peavy deal is a three-way deal with the Tigers. Jackie Bradley is not a part of it. Jose Iglesias is.
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Iggy to the Tigers? They probably need a SS with Peralta about to be suspended

Selling high on Iglesias. Like.

And perhaps the XB(ox) is about to be turned on...

bagwell368
07-30-2013, 10:50 PM
If JBjr is in it I would say that is by far the worst trade Cherington has made in his tenure. We don't even really need Peavy with the way Workman has pitched. If Iggy is the big piece thean I am fine with it

What about giving Dempster a few starts off, Lackey too? They've been scuffling..

redsox0717
07-30-2013, 10:51 PM
It makes sense to trade Iglesias. Pretty much expendable and that hot streak he had at the beginning of the year probably raised his trade value to the highest it will ever be. I'm perfectly OK with trading him.

chomaru
07-30-2013, 10:51 PM
Tigers getting Iggy.

https://twitter.com/DannyKnoblerCBS/status/362404229039661056

tc2deuce
07-30-2013, 10:52 PM
Peavy can still be real nice in our rotation but I just hate losing Iggy

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:53 PM
Tigers getting Iggy.

https://twitter.com/DannyKnoblerCBS/status/362404229039661056

Chi-Town getting who??

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:53 PM
Peavy can still be real nice in our rotation but I just hate losing Iggy

Peavy should be much better here. We will score runs for him

Pittz
07-30-2013, 10:53 PM
Why would the Red Sox help a contender - unless they think Iglesias doesn't really help the Tigers.

Station 13
07-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Peavy should be much better here. We will score runs for him

If he isn't injured all the time.

chomaru
07-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Possibly prospect or prospects from Detroit.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:55 PM
If its just Iggy I love it

RedSoxtober
07-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Peavy should be much better here. We will score runs for him

If you check his FIP/xFIP, it also looks like the Sox defense might help him quite a bit as well.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Much happier. Reports are White Sox getting Avisail Garcia from Tigers. I'd copy and paste from twitter, but for whatever reason that's a pain in the *** with my mouse. Anyone else have that problem on twitter only?

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Why would the Red Sox help a contender - unless they think Iglesias doesn't really help the Tigers.

They must have really wanted to ad pitching without giving much up

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:57 PM
Much happier. Reports are White Sox getting Avisail Garcia from Tigers. I'd copy and paste from twitter, but for whatever reason that's a pain in the *** with my mouse. Anyone else have that problem on twitter only?

more names coming according to MLBTR

bagwell368
07-30-2013, 10:57 PM
It makes sense to trade Iglesias. Pretty much expendable and that hot streak he had at the beginning of the year probably raised his trade value to the highest it will ever be. I'm perfectly OK with trading him.

Yeah, the glove is nice but the bat is part swiss cheese...

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:57 PM
If you check his FIP/xFIP, it also looks like the Sox defense might help him quite a bit as well.

I love it should help us big time

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 10:58 PM
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lol, I always hate sayings like these.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:58 PM
now we can still get Stanton by tomorrow lol J/K

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 10:58 PM
Wait a minute? So i assume that there are more players going from at least Chicago to Detroit. They gave up a top spec (or a very good spec) and all they're getting is Iggy? I doubt it.

Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam 13s
Can confirm reports of Peavy coming to Red Sox and Iglesias as part of deal. Also, there is at least one other player Red Sox are dealing.

bagwell368
07-30-2013, 10:58 PM
Why would the Red Sox help a contender - unless they think Iglesias doesn't really help the Tigers.

The first goal is the AL East/playoffs. Tigers later...

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 10:59 PM
more names coming according to MLBTR

Not JBjr though.

Tim Britton ‏@TimBritton 1m
Bradley on hearing his name bantered about while in the clubhouse: "It's weird. Everyone needs something to talk about."

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 10:59 PM
362405850121388033

lol, I always hate sayings like these.

huh??

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 10:59 PM
‏@nickcafardo 21s
Red Sox now have a 3b opening. Either middlebrooks is coming back or there's another deal coming. Michael Young?

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 11:00 PM
@Sean_McAdam 4s
Can confirm reports of Peavy coming to Red Sox and Iglesias as part of deal. Also, there is at least one other player Red Sox are dealing.

Crucis
07-30-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm shocked that the Red Sox pulled off a big deadline trade that didn't occur right AT the deadline, given their recent history of deadline trades.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:00 PM
Not JBjr though.

Tim Britton ‏@TimBritton 1m
Bradley on hearing his name bantered about while in the clubhouse: "It's weird. Everyone needs something to talk about."

Thank God

Crucis
07-30-2013, 11:01 PM
‏@nickcafardo 21s
red sox now have a 3b opening. Either middlebrooks is coming back or there's another deal coming. Michael young?

xb?

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:02 PM
I'm shocked that the Red Sox pulled off a big deadline trade that didn't occur right AT the deadline, given their recent history of deadline trades.

seems like we didn't give to much up either

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:02 PM
‏@nickcafardo 21s
Red Sox now have a 3b opening. Either middlebrooks is coming back or there's another deal coming. Michael Young?

Or Bogaerts ;)

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:02 PM
xb?

I want to see what he can do here

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:02 PM
Or Bogaerts ;)

Id love see if he can hit up here

tc2deuce
07-30-2013, 11:03 PM
they need JBJ bc Ells might be headed elsewhere next year (i hope not)

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:03 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 28s
Avisail garcia goes to #chisox in 3-team peavy trade. Jake to red sox, iglesias to tigers

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 11:04 PM
If we get Peavy for Iglesias, then that is a good deal with how we are built this season. I am waiting to see who the other player is that Boston sends.

We still really need a bat.

Crucis
07-30-2013, 11:05 PM
I want to see what he can do here

Young doesn't excite me. Bad glove. I'd rather just go with the guys already in the system, whether it's Snyder, Holt, or Xander.

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:06 PM
If we didn't give up another important piece this could be a very good trade for us selling high on Iggy...

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:06 PM
I wonder if we have anyother deals in the works. Kinda had a feeling something was happening its been way to quite

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:08 PM
Young doesn't excite me. Bad glove. I'd rather just go with the guys already in the system, whether it's Snyder, Holt, or Xander.

I don't want Young here at all

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:09 PM
If we didn't give up another important piece this could be a very good trade for us selling high on Iggy...

Great deal for us as far as I am concerned

Soxfan85
07-30-2013, 11:10 PM
So who gets sent down when JP arrives

1. Workman

2. Lackey

3. Lester

4. Felix

5. Clay/JP?

tc2deuce
07-30-2013, 11:10 PM
BTW...Tim Kurkjian just said that scouts really liked what they saw in Peavy

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:11 PM
@GordonEdes
Iglesias to Tigers, 2 or 3 lesser prospects to White Sox, Det OF Avisal Garcia to White Sox, pitcher from Det also coming to Boston

cclipper44
07-30-2013, 11:11 PM
Same post as what is above me.

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:11 PM
So who gets sent down when JP arrives

1. Workman

2. Lackey

3. Lester

4. Felix

5. Clay/JP?


Sent down??? Uh.....well Lackey, Lester, Douby, Clay/JP won't be sent down.

Workman to the BP probably


Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes 44s
Iglesias to Tigers, 2 or 3 lesser prospects to White Sox, Det OF Avisal Garcia to White Sox, pitcher from Det also coming to Boston

So we're getting Peavy AND a pitcher from Detroit??

Station 13
07-30-2013, 11:12 PM
BTW...Tim Kurkjian just said that scouts really liked what they saw in Peavy

Anyone could look good in a start or two. His injuries concerns me, especially if they eat that $20M on the contract.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Have to wonder if/when Buchholz gets back if the rotation moves to six or not.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:12 PM
If we get Peavy for Iglesias, then that is a good deal with how we are built this season. I am waiting to see who the other player is that Boston sends.

We still really need a bat.

They say the Sox are making a strong push at Stanton. That would be a big win win for us this year

Station 13
07-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Sent down??? Uh.....well Lackey, Lester, Douby, Clay/JP won't be sent down.

Workman to the BP probably



So we're getting Peavy AND a pitcher from Detroit??

reliever likely.

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 11:13 PM
BTW...Tim Kurkjian just said that scouts really liked what they saw in Peavy

Right. Said he is a legitimate #2 on a playoff team. We shall see. He is fierce and does have some energy, but is he a real #2? Again, for Iglesias, I am pleasantly surprised. Lets see what else we are giving up.

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Great deal for us as far as I am concerned

That's the point, im a little concerned too without all the names involved in the trade...

cclipper44
07-30-2013, 11:14 PM
They say the Sox are making a strong push at Stanton. That would be a big win win for us this year

I just can't see it happening. Call me crazy, but for the price it would cost, assuming XB would have to be involved, it just doesn't make sense to me. I think XB can be just as good a player for the Red Sox, minus the power numbers of Stanton. Plus, the Sox would also be able to save their farm and top pitchers

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:14 PM
reliever likely.

Yeah, i wonder who Detroit is getting. They didn't give up a good spec for Iggy. We must be sending something decent to them, and getting a reliever or something in return.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:14 PM
Anyone could look good in a start or two. His injuries concerns me, especially if they eat that $20M on the contract.

He has looked good for 6 years

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 11:14 PM
Sounds like WMB is coming back up...

362407082336595968

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:15 PM
I just can't see it happening. Call me crazy, but for the price it would cost, assuming XB would have to be involved, it just doesn't make sense to me.

ya I doubt it I was just messing around. But it was just on NESN they don't talk about stuff unless its legit

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 11:16 PM
They say the Sox are making a strong push at Stanton. That would be a big win win for us this year

That is everyone's dream. But in reality, is there a quality bat available? If we are going hard in (which is indicated by getting Peavy), then we will need someone.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:16 PM
I think we got lucky because the Tigers needed a SS with Peralta about to be suspended

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:17 PM
Right. Said he is a legitimate #2 on a playoff team. We shall see. He is fierce and does have some energy, but is he a real #2? Again, for Iglesias, I am pleasantly surprised. Lets see what else we are giving up.

When he is on his game he is a good # 2. Basically he is just like Lester and Clay

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:17 PM
I think we got lucky because the Tigers needed a SS with Peralta about to be suspended

OH big time

tc2deuce
07-30-2013, 11:17 PM
2014 looks nice Buchholz,Lester,Peavy,Lackey and maybe Workman/A.J. Burnett?Roy Halladay ?Ervin Santana?

grandsalami
07-30-2013, 11:18 PM
Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam 41s
Also, can confirm that Red Sox are getting another prospect in three-way deal with DET/CWS. #RedSoxTalk

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:18 PM
That is everyone's dream. But in reality, is there a quality bat available? If we are going hard in (which is indicated by getting Peavy), then we will need someone.

Our offense is a top 3 offense in the league. Can we use a Smasher? of course. But do we NEED one. I don't think so

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:19 PM
That's the point, im a little concerned too without all the names involved in the trade...

The only thing I'm worried about is giving up a lower level guy like Margot.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:20 PM
2014 looks nice Buchholz,Lester,Peavy,Lackey and maybe Workman/A.J. Burnett?Roy Halladay ?Ervin Santana?

We have no need to aquire anyone this offseason unless we deal someone. You forgot about Doubront

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:22 PM
Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo 3m
Detroit RHP Brayan Villarreal may also be in this three-way Peavy deal

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:22 PM
@alexspeier: Red Sox are including other players in the deal, lower level minor leaguers. Working on specifics...

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:23 PM
10:19pm: Tigers right-hander Brayan Villarreal is likely headed to the Red Sox as part of the trade as well, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe (on Twitter).

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:23 PM
Really having trouble copying and pasting on Twitter, but Rosenthal says he heard earlier today that we were planning to call up WMB

RedSoxtober
07-30-2013, 11:23 PM
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo
Villarreal is likely being sent to Boston. Maybe other minor league players involved.

From what I've been able to piece together three other Red Sox minor leaguers and Iglesias are in the deal. Villareal, a Tiger RH to Boston.
Boston.com

Crucis
07-30-2013, 11:23 PM
Our offense is a top 3 offense in the league. Can we use a Smasher? of course. But do we NEED one. I don't think so

Need? Perhaps not. But having a killer pair of sluggers in the middle of the lineup makes the lineup MUCH tougher. Think Manny and Papi, or currently Miggy and Prince.

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:24 PM
MMMMM don't get me wrong, but i don't like a Stanton trade for us....i know he is an athletic freak, he has a ton of potential and he still is so young right know, but he is an injury prone risk and the Miami's asking price will be as high as the sky for a player who maybe will not be able to stay on the field everyday...

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:25 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
Heard earlier today that #RedSox were planning to promote Middlebrooks. Makes sense now. Would replace Iglesias.

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:27 PM
Sean Grande ‏@SeanGrandePBP 2m
Jose Iglesias' final 18 games with the Red Sox produced this staggering slash line; .167/.167/.167. 11-66, 0 extra base hits, 0 walks.


Jesus.....He's been terrible lately anyway

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:27 PM
Need? Perhaps not. But having a killer pair of sluggers in the middle of the lineup makes the lineup MUCH tougher. Think Manny and Papi, or currently Miggy and Prince.

Oh I know but that dude was acting like we CANT win with this team and I feel like we can. I hope we get a big bat. I really do.

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Well he's someone else's problem now. That being Iglesias. He's worthless outside of his glove.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 32s
Believe athletic 2B Cleuluis Rondon of Lowell is in the deal. As is Wendell Rijo, a 17-yr-old off to a spectacular start in the GCL

Ughh hate to see Rijo go. So far away, but he could be the piece we regret.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:28 PM
MMMMM don't get me wrong, but i don't like a Stanton trade for us....i know he is an athletic freak, he has a ton of potential and he still is so young right know, but he is an injury prone risk and the Miami's asking price will be as high as the sky for a player who maybe will not be able to stay on the field everyday...

I can anly remember him being hurt once

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:29 PM
The only thing I'm worried about is giving up a lower level guy like Margot.

The reports are saying we are giving up lower level prospect(s), so that's good news IMO

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Well he's someone else's problem now. That being Iglesias. He's worthless outside of his glove.

Amen

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 32s
Believe athletic 2B Cleuluis Rondon of Lowell is in the deal. As is Wendell Rijo, a 17-yr-old off to a spectacular start in the GCL

Ughh hate to see Rijo go. So far away, but he could be the piece we regret.


Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 2m
Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal

:up:

grandsalami
07-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 1m
Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 1m
Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Our offense is a top 3 offense in the league. Can we use a Smasher? of course. But do we NEED one. I don't think so

We were #1. Much like Iglesias, we started off great, but of late have not produced nearly as consistently. I would feel better if we added a bat, but I just don't know who is available and worth getting.

Napoli, Gomes, Salty, etc are not consistently protecting Ortiz, and the intentional walks are increasing.

When we are good, we are very good. It is getting a little more wobbly, though, and Ortiz spoke up and said we needed a bat. I agree, though I know that is more ideal than reality.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:30 PM
The reports are saying we are giving up lower level prospect(s), so that's good news IMO

one of them being Wendell Rijo. That kinda sucks. But you have to give to get

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:31 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 3m
Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal
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Woooo!

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 11:31 PM
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-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:32 PM
The reports are saying we are giving up lower level prospect(s), so that's good news IMO

Lower level means Single A-GCL players, not non-prospects. Margot is a lower level prospect

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:32 PM
We were #1. Much like Iglesias, we started off great, but of late have not produced nearly as much consistently. I would feel better if we added a bat, but I just don't know who is available and worth getting.

Napoli, Gomes, Salty, etc are not consistently protecting Ortiz, and the intentional walks are increasing.

That's true maybe they have another gift planned for us. If not this team can win though

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 32s
Believe athletic 2B Cleuluis Rondon of Lowell is in the deal. As is Wendell Rijo, a 17-yr-old off to a spectacular start in the GCL

Ughh hate to see Rijo go. So far away, but he could be the piece we regret.

As much as I like Rijo, as long as Devers is signed this year it can make up for it.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 3m
Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal
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Woooo!

!!!!!!!!!!

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Rondon (Don't even know who he is) and two pitchers. Frank Montas?

Lackeyfan41
07-30-2013, 11:34 PM
2014 looks nice Buchholz,Lester,Peavy,Lackey and maybe Workman/A.J. Burnett?Roy Halladay ?Ervin Santana?
What is going to happen with Dumpster now? He is still under contract, hopefully someone takes him off our hands but I doubt it.

This deal will look extremely good if Peavy is good enough next year that we can offer him a QO and get a comp pick. That comp pick is probably equivalent to Iggy.

Also, depends on the other 3 prospects..

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:35 PM
I think it's safe to say now that I LOVE this trade. Cherington is on a roll, just don't trade for high profile relievers again. This feels like robbery right now to be honest

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:35 PM
I would have love Lee but the Phillies weren't serious in wanting to trade him. I wonder if the Sox will make a push for Paps now??

redsoxknicks
07-30-2013, 11:35 PM
That's true maybe they have another gift planned for us. If not this team can win though

I agree we can win. I don't want to be greedy, just would love someone who can protect Ortiz a little better. But now is probably not the time we get that too.

Celtic AL
07-30-2013, 11:36 PM
my head hurts lol but i like the trade

grandsalami
07-30-2013, 11:36 PM
my head hurts

go to ssleep

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:36 PM
What is going to happen with Dumpster now? He is still under contract, hopefully someone takes him off our hands but I doubt it.

This deal will look extremely good if Peavy is good enough next year that we can offer him a QO and get a comp pick. That comp pick is probably equivalent to Iggy.

Also, depends on the other 3 prospects..

That's a great point

tc2deuce
07-30-2013, 11:37 PM
We have no need to aquire anyone this offseason unless we deal someone. You forgot about Doubront

good call oops

Nomar
07-30-2013, 11:39 PM
This deal is such a win if its just Iggy+. So happy!

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:39 PM
I agree we can win. I don't want to be greedy, just would love someone who can protect Ortiz a little better. But now is probably not the time we get that too.

theres still time left and if that guy is out there and the price is right he will be here

BGeer091
07-30-2013, 11:41 PM
I agree we can win. I don't want to be greedy, just would love someone who can protect Ortiz a little better. But now is probably not the time we get that too.

theres still time left and if that guy is out there and the price is right he will be here

Well we apparently offered the Marlins anyone they wanted for Stanton.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:43 PM
This deal is such a win if its just Iggy+. So happy!

Seriously. I'm sitting here in disbelief, waiting to hear a name that hurts

Lackeyfan41
07-30-2013, 11:43 PM
Now what do we do at 3B?

WMB sucks. We need to really go get something there or call up Bogs.

Possibly we call up WMB who sucks for like 1 or 2 weeks and then call up Bogs?

Nomar
07-30-2013, 11:43 PM
JBJ and Ranaudo getting pulled is still weird though. Clearly they wren't in play for Peavy so who were they in play for? It can't be Lee because were getting Peavy, so who is worth that kind of haul? Stanton would be the guy IMO. I'm not saying it couldn't happen just in case, but doesn't it seem weird. I saw tweets saying Stanton got pulled too, but got no confirmation because I've been on my iphone.

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:44 PM
Lower level means Single A-GCL players, not non-prospects. Margot is a lower level prospect

I know, but that means No Workman, RDLR, Ranaudo, JBJ, Cechinni, Owens, Webster, Ball, WMB, Barnes and obviously no Bogaerts. We are getting Peavy and there were a lot of teams after him, so if we pull the trigger giving up just Iggy with his horrible bat and some lower level prospects outside of our top 20 rank who are still very raw, that's a win for us IMO

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:45 PM
Well we apparently offered the Marlins anyone they wanted for Stanton.

can u imagine getting Stanton. Maybe that's why JBJ was pulled out of the game

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:46 PM
I think we should all say thank you to Iglesias. He sold his soul for a couple months of ridiculous babip inflated offense. That performance was incredibly lucky but incredibly beneficial to this team. It helped us win games, it helped us get Jake Peavy. Before the season you could not get anything for Iglesias in a trade.

Lackeyfan41
07-30-2013, 11:46 PM
JBJ and Ranaudo getting pulled is still weird though. Clearly they wren't in play for Peavy so who were they in play for? It can't be Lee because were getting Peavy, so who is worth that kind of haul? Stanton would be the guy IMO. I'm not saying it couldn't happen just in case, but doesn't it seem weird. I saw tweets saying Stanton got pulled too, but got no confirmation because I've been on my iphone.
nope he played the whole game, was not pulled

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:47 PM
JBJ and Ranaudo getting pulled is still weird though. Clearly they wren't in play for Peavy so who were they in play for? It can't be Lee because were getting Peavy, so who is worth that kind of haul? Stanton would be the guy IMO. I'm not saying it couldn't happen just in case, but doesn't it seem weird. I saw tweets saying Stanton got pulled too, but got no confirmation because I've been on my iphone.

WOW I have a good feeling about this

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:47 PM
I think we should all say thank you to Iglesias. He sold his soul for a couple months of ridiculous babip inflated offense. That performance was incredibly lucky but incredibly beneficial to this team. It helped us win games, it helped us get Jake Peavy. Before the season you could not get anything for Iglesias in a trade.

Thank You Iggy

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-30-2013, 11:47 PM
I think we should all say thank you to Iglesias. He sold his soul for a couple months of ridiculous babip inflated offense. That performance was incredibly lucky but incredibly beneficial to this team. It helped us win games, it helped us get Jake Peavy. Before the season you could not get anything for Iglesias in a trade.

I lol'd. Totally agree though.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:48 PM
can u imagine getting Stanton. Maybe that's why JBJ was pulled out of the game

JBjr was pulled because he hurt his elbow on a throw. He wouldn't be chilling in the clubhouse and laughing to reporters if he was about to be traded.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:48 PM
seriously. I'm sitting here in disbelief, waiting to hear a name that hurts

lol

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:48 PM
Ranaudo was at 100 pitches when he was pulled. Just the media going crazy.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:49 PM
JBjr was pulled because he hurt his elbow on a throw. He wouldn't be chilling in the clubhouse and laughing to reporters if he was about to be traded.

What about raundo??

Pittz
07-30-2013, 11:49 PM
Some of our pitching is expendable in a potential (though unlikely) Stanton trade now. It'd be pretty funny if we traded Peavy to another team that was in on him for actually worthwhile players/specs for Stanton.

I know that'd never happen, but I would laugh.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:49 PM
Ranaudo was at 100 pitches when he was pulled. Just the media going crazy.

ohh

terriblemente69
07-30-2013, 11:50 PM
I can anly remember him being hurt once

He was hurt the last 2 springs, last year he only played 123 games and this year he's been a lot of time on DL. I would love to have him on our team because he is a beast when he is on the field, but no at the Marlins price...

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:51 PM
10:45pm: The Red Sox are including Class-A shortstop prospect Cleuluis Rondon as part of the deal, according to WEEI.com's Alex Speier (on Twitter), though it's not clear which team will be acquiring him. Baseball America's Ben Badler tweets that Rondon is a very smooth defender at short but offers little with the bat. Rondon is hitting .277/.328/.353 for Lowell this season.

MLBTR

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:53 PM
I wonder if the Padres could change their mind on Headly maybe Headly and Street? or Gregerson???

Lackeyfan41
07-30-2013, 11:56 PM
I wonder if the Padres could change their mind on Headly maybe Headly and Street? or Gregerson???
Yeah then what do we do when Ceccinchi and Bogs come up... We would have Headly at 3rd and no where to put them.

If we could lock Headley up though then it could make sense and move Bogs and Ceccinchi to Left and Right field

The Allen
07-30-2013, 11:56 PM
Loving this deal a lot, was sad about Iggy at first but we are basically just giving up his defense for Peavy and a pen arm.

Lackeyfan41
07-30-2013, 11:56 PM
But anyway can we please stop talking about Stanton in no way are we getting him.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:57 PM
Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 3s
Red Sox RHP Francellis Montas has been told he's going to the White Sox. Results have been erratic but he's touched 100 mph.
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Looks like I was right. This is the name that you're sad to see go, but we trade these types often. Raw young pitchers with electric stuff

BGeer091
07-30-2013, 11:57 PM
Montas to CHI

bruins>habs
07-30-2013, 11:57 PM
But anyway can we please stop talking about Stanton in no way are we getting him.

never say never

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:58 PM
But anyway can we please stop talking about Stanton in no way are we getting him.

its a possibility and we can talk about who ever we want

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2013, 11:58 PM
JB Wendelken is the third name. Have never heard of two of the names, a good thing since I know the system well. This is a great trade, so happy. Cherington is starting to earn himself a name.

The Allen
07-30-2013, 11:59 PM
White Sox:
Garcia
Montas
Rondon
Wendelken

Tigers:
Iglesias

Red Sox:
Peavy
Bryan

Love the deal.

ruckus16969
07-30-2013, 11:59 PM
But anyway can we please stop talking about Stanton in no way are we getting him.

Please stop talking about not talking about Stanton please I said please

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:00 AM
White Sox:
Garcia
Montas
Rondon
Wendelken

Tigers:
Iglesias

Red Sox:
Peavy
Bryan

Love the deal.

Peavy got a better package then Garza did.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:01 AM
Greenville has absolutely no one worth checking on now :laugh2:

Nomar
07-31-2013, 12:01 AM
Still a big get. Montas means more to me than iglesias but he's the type of go use seem to always be willing to deal. Good job BC

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:03 AM
white sox:
Garcia
montas
rondon
wendelken

tigers:
Iglesias

red sox:
Peavy
bryan

love the deal.

i love it too

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:04 AM
Still a big get. Montas means more to me than iglesias but he's the type of go use seem to always be willing to deal. Good job BC

We love using Montas type prospects in deals. Guy that can throw 100 but can't do anything else yet. Odds of him making it are small, and if he does it will most likely be as a reliever.

BostonSports96
07-31-2013, 12:04 AM
Love it....now call up X Bo!

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-31-2013, 12:04 AM
Montas, Iglesias, Rondon...mkay, Nothing I will really be too upset about. Like Alcantara last year, a nice boom or bust toy. Or Roman Mendez.

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:04 AM
Does Peavy have an option for 2015??

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:05 AM
Seriously, after all the talk of how much it would cost I am stunned we didn't give up more. Thank you Peralta for buying steroids at biogenesis :dance:

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:06 AM
if took on Paps contract would Young be had for cheaper??

grandsalami
07-31-2013, 12:06 AM
so should we thank biogenesis for being able to trade iggy?

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:06 AM
Peavy got a better package then Garza did.
Not really. Olt and Grimm > that package

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:07 AM
Seriously, after all the talk of how much it would cost I am stunned we didn't give up more. Thank you Peralta for buying steroids at biogenesis :dance:

LOL Your a riot. I'm soo excited I been wanting Peavy for a while now. Whoa

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:07 AM
so should we thank biogenesis for being able to trade iggy?
Yep otherwise we wouldn't have Peavy :clap:

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-31-2013, 12:07 AM
Seriously, after all the talk of how much it would cost I am stunned we didn't give up more. Thank you Peralta for buying steroids at biogenesis :dance:

+1.

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:08 AM
11:00pm: The Red Sox have officially announced the trade via press release. Boston will receive Villarreal and Peavy, while Iglesias will go to Detroit. The White Sox will receive Garcia and Rondon as well as minor league right-handers J.B. Wendelken and Francellis Montas.

MLBTR

Sweet_Caroline
07-31-2013, 12:08 AM
Seriously, after all the talk of how much it would cost I am stunned we didn't give up more. Thank you Peralta for buying steroids at biogenesis :dance:

I'm kinda shocked it didn't cost more. I was assuming somebody like Kukuk, or even Ranaudo would have been a possibility.

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:08 AM
Do you think peavy starts thursday?

Would be cool to see him vs. Hernandez in his first start, even though he will probably loose

Green_Monster
07-31-2013, 12:08 AM
We love using Montas type prospects in deals. Guy that can throw 100 but can't do anything else yet. Odds of him making it are small, and if he does it will most likely be as a reliever.

Yeah, we used Raul Alcantara in the package the get Bailey. He's doing pretty well this year, though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=alcant001rau

terriblemente69
07-31-2013, 12:09 AM
White Sox:
Garcia
Montas
Rondon
Wendelken

Tigers:
Iglesias

Red Sox:
Peavy
Bryan

Love the deal.

X2, great deal for us getting Peavy and not giving up top prospects in the process, so we can make another blockbuster deal if we want with our system almost intact....

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:09 AM
Now lets get Gregerson for Nava :)

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:09 AM
this is a steal.. not only do we get a front end starter but we also get a solid relief pitcher in vilarreal (good last year.. terrible start though to his 2013 lol)? BC is really causing a stir as an upcomming GM.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:10 AM
Yeah, we used Raul Alcantara in the package the get Bailey. He's doing pretty well this year, though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=alcant001rau

Alcantara was the only one of these types that I was really sad to see go. He looked really good with us and was more polished

BostonSports96
07-31-2013, 12:12 AM
Does Peavy have an option for 2015??

Yes, $14.5 mill next year and $15 mill option for 2015.

Caveman508
07-31-2013, 12:13 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:13 AM
so whats next?

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:14 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us

Peavy is awed around 20M Lee is owed 70M

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:14 AM
Not really. Olt and Grimm > that package

didn't they get some ridiculous PTBNL too? Garza got WAYYYY too much. Peavy was a steal by Cherrington. He sold high on a playe, which is something we Boston sports fans don't see happen very often.

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:14 AM
this is a steal.. not only do we get a front end starter but we also get a solid relief pitcher in vilarreal (good last year.. terrible start though to his 2013 lol)? BC is really causing a stir as an upcomming GM.
Bryan has 26 walks in 34 innings. But manages a 3 ERA.

If he can get together his control issues he could be really good.

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:15 AM
so whats next?

Gregerson hopefully. Bryan won't be a factor in our pen, would like him. Would also like a bat but meh.

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:15 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us

Plus Lee would have cost us at least 1 of our top 5 prospects and a couple more in the top 10-15 range. This deal is incredible

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:15 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us

Yes.

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:16 AM
didn't they get some ridiculous PTBNL too? Garza got WAYYYY too much. Peavy was a steal by Cherrington. He sold high on a playe, which is something we Boston sports fans don't see happen very often.
Yep the Garza package was a ton. Way to much.

Peavy is better than Garza because of his contract. + we can offer him a QO possibly also.

Station 13
07-31-2013, 12:16 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us

Lee cost Botgaerts, Cecchini and more.

Green_Monster
07-31-2013, 12:16 AM
Alcantara was the only one of these types that I was really sad to see go. He looked really good with us and was more polished

Miles Head (who we also traded in the Bailey deal), has really sucked this year. I wasn't too fond of giving him up, but I was wrong on that one.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=head--001mil

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:17 AM
White Sox fans are quite over there they must be pist off

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:17 AM
Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us
Iglesias was not good. Look at his last 30 games and look at his minor league stats.

If he really was a good hitter he would not have hit .200 in the minors.
One thing for sure is his glove, but if he can't hit he doesn't have much value

Iglesias will not haunt us and is just a utility type guy with his bat

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:18 AM
White Sox fans are quite over there they must be pist off
Garcia is a good pick up for the sox, it is not like they ended up with Iglesias

I just don't think there are any White Sox fans anymore.

AI
07-31-2013, 12:19 AM
Holy **** what a complete win by Cherington. I didn't want Peavy because I thought it'd cost one of Ranaudo/Barnes+ and I was more than fine with Workman as a starter, but this trade is just a thing of beauty. Sold high on Iglesias which is genius, thank you Peralta for being involved in Biogenesis, you did us a huge favor. Seriously, only guy that I really liked in this deal is Montas and he's not even a sure thing, he's extremely raw.

I almost flipped though when they said Rijo might be in the deal. Kudos to you Ben, kudos.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:20 AM
Wonder when Peavy will make his first start. He last pitched on the 25th.

Station 13
07-31-2013, 12:21 AM
Wonder when Peavy will make his first start. He last pitched on the 25th.

Garza start same day he was traded no?

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:22 AM
Wonder when Peavy will make his first start. He last pitched on the 25th.

Who is slated to pitch tomorrow?

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:22 AM
What's funny is if this was last year.. Iglesias for just Brayan would've likely been a good trade by Cherrington :laugh2:.. instead he headlines a package for Peavy, Brayan is a throw in and it also cost them Avisail Garcia for Iggy. Hence the whole "selling high" thing lol.

Not to mention we also rode what could possibly be the best hitting streak of Iggy's career from now until forever.

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:23 AM
Yes, $14.5 mill next year and $15 mill option for 2015.

I like it

Caveman508
07-31-2013, 12:23 AM
Iggy is going to kill it...

Lester,Lackey,Dobrount, Dempster,Workman - **** peavy

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:23 AM
Wonder when Peavy will make his first start. He last pitched on the 25th.

I hope tomorrow

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:25 AM
Iggy is going to kill it...

Lester,Lackey,Dobrount, Dempster,Workman - **** peavy

Are you a west sider or something?

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:25 AM
I hope tomorrow

Lackey is pitching tomorrow. I think taking Dempster's spot in the rotation this turn makes more sense.

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:27 AM
Iggy is going to kill it...

Lester,Lackey,Dobrount, Dempster,Workman - **** peavy

I see Iglesias being similar to Cliff Pennington. I don't see him killing anything.

bruins>habs
07-31-2013, 12:28 AM
Iggy is going to kill it...

Lester,Lackey,Dobrount, Dempster,Workman - **** peavy

Go look up Iggy in his last like 15-20 games, he is not going to kill it.

Nomar
07-31-2013, 12:30 AM
Iggy is going to kill it...

Lester,Lackey,Dobrount, Dempster,Workman - **** peavy

Peavy has had a better season than Lester and Dempster... he's flat out better than Dempster easily too. Workman we need for the bullpen at this point.

Iglesias is a 2 WAR player being generous probably until he is 28-30. You don't wait for that if you're a contender. He was a guy with a high BABIP when GB/LD/FB tendencies of a low BABIP hitter. He was getting EXTREMELY lucky. We sold at a good time and clearly sold high on him at a time where I thought no GM would be dumb enough to buy high on him.

I'm not trying to be abrasive or anything, but we in no way will regret this deal. In a farm system with Bogaerts to play SS going forward then Marrero/Lin/Vinicio, this was a tremendous move for the organization. Puts us in a position of depth for the postseason. Don't worry, Iglesias is not the type of player you break a sweat over.

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:32 AM
Go look up Iggy in his last like 15-20 games, he is not going to kill it.

4 for his last 40, dropping his OPS from .917 on July 12th, to .797.

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:32 AM
Peavy does not have a player option in 2015...

It only vests if he throws 320 innings between today and the end of next year... Something he will not get close to

So basically he is only under contract for next year

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:32 AM
Peavy is looking at a Thursday start i think.

bruins>habs
07-31-2013, 12:33 AM
4 for his last 40, dropping his OPS from .917 on July 12th, to .797.

Talk about a downward spiral.....

win red sox
07-31-2013, 12:33 AM
I'm assuming Holt get's called up to replace iggy.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:34 AM
Holy **** what a complete win by Cherington. I didn't want Peavy because I thought it'd cost one of Ranaudo/Barnes+ and I was more than fine with Workman as a starter, but this trade is just a thing of beauty. Sold high on Iglesias which is genius, thank you Peralta for being involved in Biogenesis, you did us a huge favor. Seriously, only guy that I really liked in this deal is Montas and he's not even a sure thing, he's extremely raw.

I almost flipped though when they said Rijo might be in the deal. Kudos to you Ben, kudos.

Exactly my feelings. This is Cherington's best trade after the Dodgers one. Given the trade market I can't believe we didn't give up way more.

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:36 AM
I'm assuming Holt get's called up to replace iggy.
Middlebrooks bruh

win red sox
07-31-2013, 12:37 AM
Middlebrooks bruh

who's going to backup 2b and ss?

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:38 AM
Talk about a downward spiral.....

He's been on a huge downwards spiral since mid june. his OPS has dropped nearly 300 points in a mere month. While it's very easy for that to happen when your OPS was over 1.000 it's still pretty significant. (I don't love OPS as a stat but it's the only stat I really feel like looking at right now :laugh2:, I'm sure his Sabers have seen downward trends too.)

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:39 AM
who's going to backup 2b and ss?

don't think the sox are done... Pretty sure this almost solidifies Young coming to Boston.

Melo15
07-31-2013, 12:40 AM
Exactly my feelings. This is Cherington's best trade after the Dodgers one. Given the trade market I can't believe we didn't give up way more.

Yup, I'm thrilled with this move. Hopefully Workman can thrive in the Justin Masterson type role.

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-31-2013, 12:40 AM
this is a steal.. not only do we get a front end starter but we also get a solid relief pitcher in vilarreal (good last year.. terrible start though to his 2013 lol)? BC is really causing a stir as an upcomming GM.

It surely looks to make up for the Bailey mess. At least on paper for the moment. I've never even heard of Rondon.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:41 AM
who's going to backup 2b and ss?

Barring another trade, Snyder is probably sent down for Holt. WMB up makes Snyder redundant.

homie564
07-31-2013, 12:43 AM
It surely looks to make up for the Bailey mess. At least on paper for the moment. I've never even heard of Rondon.

I don't think the Bailey trade was a mess. No one can predict an injury. The value behind the trade wasn't huge imo.

BostonSports96
07-31-2013, 12:44 AM
Bogaerts might be coming up soon too. Here is an excerpt from yesterday on his progress in AAA:

"After being promoted to the PawSox in mid-June, Bogaerts hit .214 with a .707 OPS in his first 14 games, drawing just five walks compared to 14 strikeouts an adjustment period common of any player moving up a level.

In the 25 games since, however, he has batting .318 with a .955 while reaching base at least once in each contest. He is also striking out much less (15 times) and walking more frequently (17 times)."

Lackeyfan41
07-31-2013, 12:44 AM
don't think the sox are done... Pretty sure this almost solidifies Young coming to Boston.
Not sure, Young said he would not come here... He would be a nice pickup though.

It is to bad we can't get a righty to backup Ortiz like Headley, that would be sick!

AI
07-31-2013, 12:44 AM
Exactly my feelings. This is Cherington's best trade after the Dodgers one. Given the trade market I can't believe we didn't give up way more.

Ben has now killed it two deadlines in a row. Although technically, last year was during the waiver deadline, but same difference really. We gave up way less than what TEX gave for Garza, WAY LESS.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:47 AM
Ben has earned my trust not to anything stupid. Next time a trade like this happens and there is speculation a player like JBjr is involved, I will say Ben wouldn't do that.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:50 AM
The big thing I worry about with Peavy is homeruns. Lots of flyballs and homeruns, which is why his FIP isn't much better than his era despite his great K/BB rates

The Allen
07-31-2013, 12:51 AM
Ben has earned my trust not to anything stupid. Next time a trade like this happens and there is speculation a player like JBjr is involved, I will say Ben wouldn't do that.

Agreed 100%

Crucis
07-31-2013, 12:51 AM
who's going to backup 2b and ss?

Has XB played any 2B?

Crucis
07-31-2013, 12:53 AM
The big thing I worry about with Peavy is homeruns. Lots of flyballs and homeruns, which is why his FIP isn't much better than his era despite his great K/BB rates

But isn't the White Sox home park a HR haven?

BostonSports96
07-31-2013, 12:54 AM
But isn't the White Sox home park a HR haven?

Well so is Fenway so I don't think that trend with Peavy would change much pitching in Boston.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:54 AM
But isn't the White Sox home park a HR haven?

I don't know where it ranks. He gives up a ton of flyballs, in Fenway that could become a lot of doubles.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 12:55 AM
Well so is Fenway so I don't think that trend with Peavy would change much pitching in Boston.

Fenway consistently is in the bottom to middle range for hr's. It's the doubles that are crazy high, by far #1 in park factors every year.

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:57 AM
Bogaerts might be coming up soon too. Here is an excerpt from yesterday on his progress in AAA:

"After being promoted to the PawSox in mid-June, Bogaerts hit .214 with a .707 OPS in his first 14 games, drawing just five walks compared to 14 strikeouts an adjustment period common of any player moving up a level.

In the 25 games since, however, he has batting .318 with a .955 while reaching base at least once in each contest. He is also striking out much less (15 times) and walking more frequently (17 times)."

I'm so excited about this kid


Ben has earned my trust not to anything stupid. Next time a trade like this happens and there is speculation a player like JBjr is involved, I will say Ben wouldn't do that.

Yes FU Theo

ruckus16969
07-31-2013, 12:59 AM
Well so is Fenway so I don't think that trend with Peavy would change much pitching in Boston.

No it isn't lol Doubles park ya but not HR friendly

Nomar
07-31-2013, 01:02 AM
Cellular is a good HR park. I wouldn't expect any decline and hell have a better defense behind him.

grandsalami
07-31-2013, 01:03 AM
Hey mods can we add a poll to this thread for our grade on the trade? (Hey that rhymes!!!)

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2013, 01:06 AM
Nice article on Peavy http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jake-peavy-is-not-matt-garza-might-be-better/

He has bad splits vs lefties. Fenways huge RF and Victorino should help him there

Ernie Harwell
07-31-2013, 01:31 AM
Hey Sox fans i am a Tigers fan...How do you guys feel about Iglesias? Were you pretty happy with what he gave you this year? I don't know a lot about him so just wondering what to expect on his new team :)

Celtic AL
07-31-2013, 01:34 AM
Hey Sox fans i am a Tigers fan...How do you guys feel about Iglesias? Were you pretty happy with what he gave you this year? I don't know a lot about him so just wondering what to expect on his new team :)

He Helps your Defense but his hitting is suspect

Redsox07Champs
07-31-2013, 02:28 AM
how ironic would it be if the red sox and tigers meet in the alcs and iggy hits a homer off peavy?

MiamiBoy77
07-31-2013, 02:31 AM
We just got Peavy and a hard throwing postseason tested RP for Iggy and a couple low specs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MiamiBoy77
07-31-2013, 02:35 AM
Hey Sox fans i am a Tigers fan...How do you guys feel about Iglesias? Were you pretty happy with what he gave you this year? I don't know a lot about him so just wondering what to expect on his new team :)

His defense is exceptional! He can hit average against lefties but against righties he's suspect at best. I don't know the exact splits but I remember seeing it (its 2:30 and I'm drunk).

I like Iggy and will miss him. But very happy for the price we got Peavy. What can you tell me about Villareal

Gormans Mic
07-31-2013, 07:01 AM
Originally Posted by Ernie Harwell View Post
Hey Sox fans i am a Tigers fan...How do you guys feel about Iglesias? Were you pretty happy with what he gave you this year? I don't know a lot about him so just wondering what to expect on his new team

+++ defense, his current offensive #'s are an anomaly though. He's had a very unusual amount of infield hits, bloopers etc. His average in July is around .200. He's made strides to improve at the plate. With that said he's still below average at the plate. His upside maybe Omar Visquel, but I doubt he ever hits even that well. Absolute upper tier defensively on the left side of the infield though.

bagwell368
07-31-2013, 07:05 AM
We did well. CWS did well. Tigers got trade raped.

bagwell368
07-31-2013, 07:18 AM
Hey Sox fans i am a Tigers fan...How do you guys feel about Iglesias? Were you pretty happy with what he gave you this year? I don't know a lot about him so just wondering what to expect on his new team :)

In Tigers history he reminds me of early Deivi Cruz (great hands, very good range) - except Iggy is a better fielder, but has a lot less power. Ray Oyler is another one, but Iggy has a bit more clue with the bat.

Outside of Iggy's insane first 32 games in the Majors this year, he has sucked with the bat at AA, AAA, and MLB since the start of 2011. His last 31 games he has gone: .227/.265/.245 (don't let the OBP fool you - it's 2 BB's and 4 HBP's).

I think between now and the end of '15 you're looking at .230/.255/.245 sort of hitter. He's not fast, but gets down the line quickly and is a pretty smart base runner. His glove could be top 25 all time. He'll bat 9th, and you guys got screwed.

Super.
07-31-2013, 07:43 AM
I was super skeptical of the deal when I was reading about it, but thinking about it and looking at Peavy's stats I do believe I like this deal.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2013, 08:48 AM
2014 looks nice Buchholz,Lester,Peavy,Lackey and maybe Workman/A.J. Burnett?Roy Halladay ?Ervin Santana?
What? No. With no changes they'd have Lackey, Lester, Buchholz, Peavy, Dempster, Doubront (, Workman, De La Rosa, Webster). With 6 seasoned starers under contract and three guys making a serious case for the opportunity there is no way they go to the FA market for a starter. Besides, Hallady has pretty much sucked (when he pitched) for a year now, Burnett didn't find any consistent success until he went back to the NL, and Santana has been up and down. No reason to spend any money there at all.


Our offense is a top 3 offense in the league. Can we use a Smasher? of course. But do we NEED one. I don't think so
I disagree with this to an extent. The offense has scored a lot of runs. It's also had a number of streaky players. There are few guys in it that you ALWAYS expect to mash and as the four games with the Rays should demonstrate they are VERY capable of getting shut down by a good pitcher, especially LHP. With some of their success coming from Nava outperforming any expectations, Iglesias' white hot start that cooled considerably, Napoli leading the league in RBI before falling way back, etc there is certainly room to add long-term hitting talent.


JBJ and Ranaudo getting pulled is still weird though. Clearly they wren't in play for Peavy so who were they in play for? It can't be Lee because were getting Peavy, so who is worth that kind of haul? Stanton would be the guy IMO. I'm not saying it couldn't happen just in case, but doesn't it seem weird. I saw tweets saying Stanton got pulled too, but got no confirmation because I've been on my iphone.
Purely coincidence. JBJr hurt his elbow on a throw. Ranaudo hit a pitch count limit. This is the kind of coincidence that the media makes a big deal about in the 72hrs leading up to the trade deadline that they wouldn't even mention otherwise.


10:45pm: The Red Sox are including Class-A shortstop prospect Cleuluis Rondon as part of the deal, according to WEEI.com's Alex Speier (on Twitter), though it's not clear which team will be acquiring him. Baseball America's Ben Badler tweets that Rondon is a very smooth defender at short but offers little with the bat. Rondon is hitting .277/.328/.353 for Lowell this season.

MLBTR
Oh, so Iggy and the next Iggy in the system. Okay.


Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 3s
Red Sox RHP Francellis Montas has been told he's going to the White Sox. Results have been erratic but he's touched 100 mph.
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Looks like I was right. This is the name that you're sad to see go, but we trade these types often. Raw young pitchers with electric stuff
Looks like I was right, too, about Montas being the high ceiling arm that would be dealt in a package.


White Sox:
Garcia
Montas
Rondon
Wendelken

Tigers:
Iglesias

Red Sox:
Peavy
Bryan

Love the deal.
:cheers:


Greenville has absolutely no one worth checking on now :laugh2:
Shut up... but it's not worth the $5 right now.


Yeah, we used Raul Alcantara in the package the get Bailey. He's doing pretty well this year, though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=alcant001rau
Alcantara's k/bb has improved substantially.


Yes, $14.5 mill next year and $15 mill option for 2015.
Player option (2015) vests on 400IP in 2013-14 with at least 190IP in 2014. He'll need ~260IP next year to make good.Even vintage Sabathia tired at 253.


Am I the only one who hates this?

How much more money would lee have been? Isn't peavy owed almost as much...
Trading iggy will haut us
No, Peavy is not owed remotely as much. $70M (Lee) vs $20M (Peavy). The $10M difference in AAV is also much nicer for the Sox going forward. Moreover, we dealt very little for Peavy. We sold very high on Iglesias, whose bat has cooled to the point of being back in line with his sucky career numbers, and lost Montas who looks like a potential power BP arm if he can keep it together. The other two names are relatively unknown kids who impressed scouts in SS/GCL; it's not that tough to stand out among 17-19yr olds.

Moveover, the position this puts the Sox in is incredible. Workman can be a brilliant swing man and Dempster probably returns to the BP when the rotation shortens to a 4-man group in the playoffs. We've got arms to spare in the offseason which could put us in position to make another deal as well.

Celticsfan2007
07-31-2013, 09:04 AM
Love this deal. Even without bucholz we have a very very solid rotation for the rest of the season.

All we need now is either XB to come up and rake or to flip him for a big bat. Lets see what happens...

sager729
07-31-2013, 09:04 AM
Peavy money is roughly $6M this year, $14.5M in 2014 and I believe it is something like $1M payments from '16-'19. So it's roughly $24M left to pay him.

As a White Sox fan, I like the deal, thought the WS could have gotten more but I think it is a good move for the RS and not so much for the Tigers.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2013, 09:14 AM
Peavy money is roughly $6M this year, $14.5M in 2014 and I believe it is something like $1M payments from '16-'19. So it's roughly $24M left to pay him.

As a White Sox fan, I like the deal, thought the WS could have gotten more but I think it is a good move for the RS and not so much for the Tigers.

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with those payments from 2016-19. I wouldn't be completely surprised to see CWS still pay them because they represent the buyout of his PREVIOUS contract. They were just deferring the payment. Honestly not sure who's on the hook for that, though.