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MTar786
07-26-2013, 09:23 AM
Hypothetically speaking. Let's say LeBron is pumping roids and the nba catches on and busts him. How many games does he get suspended for? And what else could/should happen?

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 09:36 AM
A steroids thread about LeBron? Mods will be sure to close this quickly, even though it shouldn't be.

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 09:42 AM
But if LeBron was ever doping up, do you really think they would let that go public? Hell no, that would ruin their image.

BklynKnicks3
07-26-2013, 09:46 AM
they take there talents to south beach :)

lamzoka
07-26-2013, 10:03 AM
U shouldn't used LeBron as an example. mods will close this in a minute.

To the topic... If "Lebron" gets caught juicing. The league will do everything and anything under their power to sweep it under the rugs. Now lets say a no name player gets caught. They will easily suspend him for 10+ games, depends on what kinda juice they took.

C_Mund
07-26-2013, 10:05 AM
Yeah, it depends on how good/marketable the player is. As much as I believe Stern turned the league from a coke-riddled street ball game into the giant it's become, I don't think he did it without sweeping a lot under the rug. That's why Birdman got smashed with a 2-year ban but nobody else in the NBA seems to do anything worse than JR Smith on Twitter

Hellcrooner
07-26-2013, 10:11 AM
Not sure what Nba would do.

IN europe if you get caght you get suspended from all sports activity for 2 years and your team has the right to stop paying you for that period.


He would definetly not be eligible for Fiba play for 2 years regardless what nba did.

But dont worry, he would probably decide to retire to "play baseball "for a year whilst the league covers it udner a rug.

Anyway if nba took the matter seriously and tested by surprise all their players this years, there would be at least 40 or 50 players getting caught, some stars, some role players and a lot of scrubs.

Hellcrooner
07-26-2013, 10:13 AM
Yeah, it depends on how good/marketable the player is. As much as I believe Stern turned the league from a coke-riddled street ball game into the giant it's become, I don't think he did it without sweeping a lot under the rug. That's why Birdman got smashed with a 2-year ban but nobody else in the NBA seems to do anything worse than JR Smith on Twitter

Yeah they dont like to get far into this.

In the rest of the world, Rashard Lewis or Turkoglu would have been suspended 2 years for doping.

How much did they get from nba? 10 games?

Same for players taht tested positive for Marihuana at some point like Odom or cousins?, in nba they get a fine a warning and thats it.

In the rest of the world? 2 years.

FYL_McVeezy
07-26-2013, 10:24 AM
Nothing.

Because Stern/Silver will turn their heads and act like there's nothing to see here....

Chronz
07-26-2013, 11:06 AM
Same thing thats happened to all the other sports celebs. They get vilified and discredited, obviously. Hard to say how much given that we dont know of any examples but I like to think the potential effects of roids are overblown in basketball, the best benefit would be in recovery. And stereotyping roid users by their appearance is pretty shallow. Lots of the "symptoms" are also natural symptoms of high testosterone. And lots of abusers dont look like your typical bruiser.

ManRam
07-26-2013, 11:08 AM
A steroids thread about LeBron? Mods will be sure to close this quickly, even though it shouldn't be.

If I made a steroid thread about Jimmer Fredette possibly using would you consider that thread worthy?


There's no stereotype for this. If the busts in the NBA and MLB already show us anything it's that most of the guys using are probably the scrubs who have to fight to actually stay in their sport. Users come in all shapes and sizes. You have the all-time greats and the guys who never make it.


This is nothing but a witch hunt people are on. Again, there's no stereotype for PED users.

Hellcrooner
07-26-2013, 11:35 AM
Same thing thats happened to all the other sports celebs. They get vilified and discredited, obviously. Hard to say how much given that we dont know of any examples but I like to think the potential effects of roids are overblown in basketball, the best benefit would be in recovery. And stereotyping roid users by their appearance is pretty shallow. Lots of the "symptoms" are also natural symptoms of high testosterone. And lots of abusers dont look like your typical bruiser.

That said, if I was profiling anyone, I would think of Wade before anyone else. Wade is the only guy I can think of whos jaw size increased despite being well into adulthood. Bron came into the league as a teen, so did Dwight, its natural that already impressive physical specimens turn into superior athletes as they mature. Unless you were arguing they have been taking it from before they even entered the NBA, I dont see how you could point to their physiques as proof of anything. In which case, you would have to explain why years of Olympic/FIBA testing from 2004 to 2012 yielded nothing.

Cause Nba players in olympics ( american or foreigner) get pre tested by the LEAGUE instead of the olympic comitee.
Thats a demmandDavid stern brought up before Barcelona 92 to allow nba players to play in the competition.

Sactown
07-26-2013, 11:49 AM
I love how everyone assumes that the NBA would cover it up..... Because everyone who saw that list wouldn't like to break one of the biggest NBA stories since MJ retired...

Shmontaine
07-26-2013, 11:53 AM
Cause Nba players in olympics ( american or foreigner) get pre tested by the LEAGUE instead of the olympic comitee.
Thats a demmandDavid stern brought up before Barcelona 92 to allow nba players to play in the competition.

also, let's not act like FIBA testing is the be all and end all here. there are plenty of instances where players tested by an international comittee passed only to be found out later.

Lance Armstrong beat probably the most strict and imposing drug testing for 6 years, probably more.

Marion Jones and a host of other track stars are being found out after the fact, and after they passed international drug testing.

just because they didn't get busted by international doping tests, doesn't really prove anything.

and the following link is a report on how easy it is to dope in america. it's about NFL and boxing, but i'm sure we could compare this to NBA as well

http://web.law.und.edu/LawReview/issues/web_assets/pdf/86/86-4/86ndlr813.pdf

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 12:02 PM
If I made a steroid thread about Jimmer Fredette possibly using would you consider that thread worthy?


There's no stereotype for this. If the busts in the NBA and MLB already show us anything it's that most of the guys using are probably the scrubs who have to fight to actually stay in their sport. Users come in all shapes and sizes. You have the all-time greats and the guys who never make it.


This is nothing but a witch hunt people are on. Again, there's no stereotype for PED users.

What does that have to do with what I said exactly...

But to answer it, yes it would. Any player using steroids is thread worthy, if guilty.

Hellcrooner
07-26-2013, 12:05 PM
also, let's not act like FIBA testing is the be all and end all here. there are plenty of instances where players tested by an international comittee passed only to be found out later.

Lance Armstrong beat probably the most strict and imposing drug testing for 6 years, probably more.

Marion Jones and a host of other track stars are being found out after the fact, and after they passed international drug testing.

just because they didn't get busted by international doping tests, doesn't really prove anything.

and the following link is a report on how easy it is to dope in america. it's about NFL and boxing, but i'm sure we could compare this to NBA as well

http://web.law.und.edu/LawReview/issues/web_assets/pdf/86/86-4/86ndlr813.pdf

what does cycling or athletics have to do with Fiba ( wich is only bout basket?).

Anyway, the thing with Armstrong is not that he pased the tests, is that when he didnt pass them his team PAID money so those results never came to the public light.

ManRam
07-26-2013, 12:14 PM
What does that have to do with what I said exactly...

But to answer it, yes it would. Any player using steroids is thread worthy, if guilty.

Well no one is guilty yet, so how is this thread worthy :laugh2:

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 12:33 PM
Well no one is guilty yet, so how is this thread worthy :laugh2:

Ok, but he isn't saying LeBron is guilty. He is asking "if" he was, what would his suspension look like. Too bad you're not a mod anymore, I know you'd love to shut this down, probably already PMed a mod asking for it to be closed.

Chronz
07-26-2013, 01:05 PM
I love how everyone assumes that the NBA would cover it up..... Because everyone who saw that list wouldn't like to break one of the biggest NBA stories since MJ retired...

The list isnt coming out because there is no one of note on it (according the source).


Cause Nba players in olympics ( american or foreigner) get pre tested by the LEAGUE instead of the olympic comitee.
Thats a demmandDavid stern brought up before Barcelona 92 to allow nba players to play in the competition.
Did Stern negotiate for the NHL too?
The league doesn't test its players, there are 2 third party organizations, one for the Olympics the other for the league itself. But I can see shadow government conspiracy theories coming already so I guess thats your greater point.

Chronz
07-26-2013, 01:06 PM
Ok, but he isn't saying LeBron is guilty. He is asking "if" he was, what would his suspension look like. Too bad you're not a mod anymore, I know you'd love to shut this down, probably already PMed a mod asking for it to be closed.

Thats why he asked you if a Jimmers thread would be thread worthy.

KingPosey
07-26-2013, 01:25 PM
U shouldn't used LeBron as an example. mods will close this in a minute.

To the topic... If "Lebron" gets caught juicing. The league will do everything and anything under their power to sweep it under the rugs. Now lets say a no name player gets caught. They will easily suspend him for 10+ games, depends on what kinda juice they took.
Lol why would it matter what type of pro hormone they take? That's stupid.

waveycrockett
07-26-2013, 01:26 PM
See Rashard Lewis

Chronz
07-26-2013, 01:44 PM
See Rashard Lewis
Rebirth in Miami?

Seriously tho, when did he get caught, and do we assume that was the year he was taken off them for good? When do we assume he started?

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 01:51 PM
Thats why he asked you if a Jimmers thread would be thread worthy.

Ah, I understand now. He is saying if we replace LeBron with Jimmer, would it be thread worthy. The answer is no. But Jimmer and LeBron are not on the same level. I'm assuming the OP is asking if a player as popular as LeBron was caught juicing up, what would his suspension look like. Replace LeBron with Dwight, Kobe, Rose, Durant (lol) and yes, it would be thread worthy.

Bostonjorge
07-26-2013, 02:05 PM
Lebron has the juice now

JasonJohnHorn
07-26-2013, 02:05 PM
I think it's just a few games the first time, but that might depend on the drug. Rashard Lewis got 10 game suspension for PED in 2009. Hedu got 20 games (not sure why the difference... maybe a different drug).


It it is a first offense I think you get 10-20 games depending on the PED (recreational drug can get much shorter or longer suspsensions). The second time you get a full season I think. I think the third time is a life time ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_banned_or_suspended_by_the_NBA

The league is inconsistent. Chris Andersen seems to have been banned for life for his first offense? Richard Dumas and Roy Tarpley were banned for multiple drugs violations, but later were reinstated only to be later banned for alcohol?

OJ Mayo got suspended for ten games for violating the drug policy, but it is unclear as to whether or ot it was PEDs?

Pretty much, the league has rules and they get applied differently for different drugs, but I don't see anything online that outlines the rules clearly.

Chronz
07-26-2013, 02:07 PM
Create an All-Juice team

PG: Beefy Bledsoe (http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/Players/eric_bledsoe3.jpg)
SG: Joey Graham (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee350/Jarg007/joey_graham_1.jpg)
SF: Sticky Iggy (http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andre+Iguodala+gREf5WuvIbJm.jpg)
PF: Quake Griffin (http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/07/blake-griffin-shirtless-beach.jpg)
C: ???


Try to be unique, Bron and Dwight are obviously the targets most enjoy putting down, tho until anything is proven this is more of a compliment.

Nats_vcu-Okc35
07-26-2013, 02:25 PM
This thread title looked like the setup to a joke, and then I read the thread, and realized... It was.

ChicagoJ
07-26-2013, 02:26 PM
If any big name stars were caught the nba may set an example with them. I don't think they would cover it up. That would encourage players to get juiced up and damage the credibility of the league.

KnickaBocka.44
07-26-2013, 02:28 PM
The list should be released regardless of the name's on it. It will show people thinking about using them, or people who are, that they will be found out and exposed sooner or later.

NYKnickFanatic
07-26-2013, 02:48 PM
Create an All-Juice team

PG:Beefy Bledsoe (http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/Players/eric_bledsoe3.jpg)
SG:Joey Graham (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee350/Jarg007/joey_graham_1.jpg)
SF: Sticky Iggy (http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andre+Iguodala+gREf5WuvIbJm.jpg)
PF: Quake Griffin (http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/07/blake-griffin-shirtless-beach.jpg)
C: ???


Try to be unique, Bron and Dwight are obviously the targets most enjoy putting down, tho until anything is proven this is more of a compliment.

I'll play.

PG:Nate Robinson (http://thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/x2_89ef143.jpg)
SG:Maggette (http://vlsportysexycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Corey-Maggette.jpg)
SF:MWP (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3hq74Riu71qzb7vjo1_1280.jpg)
PF:Ibaka (http://dailythunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Picture-11.png)
C: Noah (http://basketsession.com/files/2011/04/Joakim-Noah-Large-160411-ChrisElise.jpg)

Couldn't find anyone good for Center, besides Dwight.

KnickaBocka.44
07-26-2013, 02:51 PM
Create an All-Juice team

PG: Beefy Bledsoe (http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/Players/eric_bledsoe3.jpg)
SG: Joey Graham (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee350/Jarg007/joey_graham_1.jpg)
SF: Sticky Iggy (http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andre+Iguodala+gREf5WuvIbJm.jpg)
PF: Quake Griffin (http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/07/blake-griffin-shirtless-beach.jpg)
C: ???


Try to be unique, Bron and Dwight are obviously the targets most enjoy putting down, tho until anything is proven this is more of a compliment.

John Henson is the obvious choice for a C, but I'll go with Amare. I have my suspicions of him using early in his career which could have resulted in some of his injuries. I also think he's probably used recently in order to recover.

MrfadeawayJB
07-26-2013, 02:52 PM
The penalties should be stiffer if a superstar does it to set a precedent. That will never happen though. Look at the flopping rule. It could have been players like Wade, Paul, or Ginoboli fined for flopping but instead it was people like Donald Sloan

2-ONE-5
07-26-2013, 03:00 PM
Rebirth in Miami?

Seriously tho, when did he get caught, and do we assume that was the year he was taken off them for good? When do we assume he started?

Lewis took an over the counter supplement that had a banned substance in it. he got 10 games for it and it didnt impact his game whatsoever

MrfadeawayJB
07-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Lewis took an over the counter supplement that had a banned substance in it. he got 10 games for it and it didnt impact his game whatsoever

yeah OJ Mayo did the same thing when he was in memphis

TheIlladelph16
07-26-2013, 03:43 PM
The penalties should be stiffer if a superstar does it to set a precedent. That will never happen though. Look at the flopping rule. It could have been players like Wade, Paul, or Ginoboli fined for flopping but instead it was people like Donald Sloan

Not trying to be a ****, but how in the world are they going to classify which players are the superstars in relation to drug testing and subsequent punishment? I think this idea is a bit ludicrous.

I would assume that a player who gets caught will be suspended for however many games the standard suspension is for the NBA. If its a no-namer, everyone will just go on with their day like nothing happened. If Lebron/KD/CP3/Kobe/etc. were caught though? People would lose their **** and the narrative immediately becomes the PED epidemic in the NBA.

Raps08-09 Champ
07-26-2013, 03:45 PM
The NBA would have that in their CBA. Guys like Anderson, OJ Mayo and Rashard have been banned in the past 5 years or so for violations. I think that they should be stricter though.

MrfadeawayJB
07-26-2013, 04:07 PM
Not trying to be a ****, but how in the world are they going to classify which players are the superstars in relation to drug testing and subsequent punishment? I think this idea is a bit ludicrous.

I would assume that a player who gets caught will be suspended for however many games the standard suspension is for the NBA. If its a no-namer, everyone will just go on with their day like nothing happened. If Lebron/KD/CP3/Kobe/etc. were caught though? People would lose their **** and the narrative immediately becomes the PED epidemic in the NBA.

fair point. I guess a better way of saying what I meant was if a "superstar type of player" gets caught, hand out the same punishment you would to anybody. It seems to often that the great players are allowed to slide or not get equal punishment as the 12th guy would get.

2-ONE-5
07-26-2013, 04:24 PM
^thats how it is in baseball. a no name minor leaguer gets the same suspensions as a usper star in the show.

beasted86
07-26-2013, 04:57 PM
A steroids thread about LeBron? Mods will be sure to close this quickly, even though it shouldn't be.

But why LeBron anyway? Because he is strong?
Strong = steroids?

Think of the people who have been suspended the past few years for steroid/ped violations... Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, OJ Mayo... these guys don't fit the profile it that's all you are basing that on.

Hellcrooner
07-26-2013, 05:11 PM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5909/253476741890cb66eccky9.jpg

:whistle:

Trueblue2
07-27-2013, 03:16 PM
Not sure what Nba would do.

IN europe if you get caght you get suspended from all sports activity for 2 years and your team has the right to stop paying you for that period.


He would definetly not be eligible for Fiba play for 2 years regardless what nba did.

But dont worry, he would probably decide to retire to "play baseball "for a year whilst the league covers it udner a rug.

Anyway if nba took the matter seriously and tested by surprise all their players this years, there would be at least 40 or 50 players getting caught, some stars, some role players and a lot of scrubs.



Blasphemy! We all know mj 'retired' the first time becauae he was grieving the loss of his dad whos death he may or may not have been responsible for ;)

dtmagnet
07-27-2013, 03:30 PM
Juan Dixon was banned from the NBA for juicing. EDIT: My mistake, looks like he was banned from the Euroleague but was proven to be using while he was in the NBA, apparently the NBA does not test for PED's.

ManRam
07-27-2013, 03:34 PM
The penalties should be stiffer if a superstar does it to set a precedent. That will never happen though.

I disagree.

I still think it's the lesser players...the guys trying to stay in the league and maybe get that one big payday, that are more inclined to use. Look at the actual list of busted players in baseball, a lot...probably the significant majority are guys that fit that mold. Being great and using is no worse than being a fringe player and using just to stick around. Those guys aren't gonna give a **** if some superstar gets busted...they're doing it for their own gain.

Gotta discipline them all the same.