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Tony_Starks
07-21-2013, 03:17 PM
According to Jimmy Bus Kobe is way ahead of schedule and may make training camp.

So much for missing half the season.....

HouRealCoach
07-21-2013, 03:35 PM
Whoever thought he'd miss half the season is ********... Didn't he get hurt in April?

Federal Reserve
07-21-2013, 03:37 PM
Whoever thought he'd miss half the season is ********... Didn't he get hurt in April?

How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

tredigs
07-21-2013, 03:40 PM
Whoever thought he'd miss half the season is ********... Didn't he get hurt in April?

In the past it normally takes young athletes 6-9 months to recover from achilles tears, and this would put him at like... 5 months? Pretty wild if he's actually going to be ready. Probably a combo of the best medicine + ultra dedicated rehab. Hopefully he's not pushing it too much and risking re-injury.

tredigs
07-21-2013, 03:41 PM
How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

Right, because it took this Rose injury to prove that hahah.

JerseyPalahniuk
07-21-2013, 03:43 PM
How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

Rose has his entire career to lose if he comes back early and risks injury. Kobe has almost had two NBA careers already. Huge difference

koberulesall
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
the real kobe died in 1999 hes been a fresh new clone every season since

koberulesall
07-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Rose has his entire career to lose if he comes back early and risks injury. Kobe has almost had two NBA careers already. Huge difference

no thats not why, its cause kobe is way better human

ManRam
07-21-2013, 03:50 PM
beast. he's definitely proven over time he's a quick *** healer.


just gotta hope he doesn't ultimately rush it. coming back early because you're 100% ready is one thing...but coming back early and pushing it while youmight not be 100% ready is another thing.

TrueFan420
07-21-2013, 03:56 PM
It's impressive if he really is back that soon but idk if its smart on his part. Yes he doesn't have much time left in the nba and he is a competitor so I understand the want to but if he pushes to soon and hurts its all over agin he could be done for much longer.

ILLUSIONIST^248
07-21-2013, 03:56 PM
Kobe being Kobe. It's going to be super painful if he comes back and has to score every possession like last year.

ILLUSIONIST^248
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
It's impressive if he really is back that soon but idk if its smart on his part. Yes he doesn't have much time left in the nba and he is a competitor so I understand the want to but if he pushes to soon and hurts its all over agin he could be done for much longer.

I could only imagine Kobe not playing for six month is make him crazy.

J4KOP99
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Take your time and don't get caught with the roids kob

ChitownBears22
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

Wow you must be a really special kind of ignorant. Achilles and ACL's are different.

sunsfan88
07-21-2013, 04:02 PM
Who here is surprised?

Kobe's competitiveness is too much for him to miss many games.

If all these new kids that are in the NBA and comin into NBA had even half of that, this league would be 10x better...

sunsfan88
07-21-2013, 04:03 PM
Who here is surprised?

Kobe's competitiveness is too much for him to miss many games.

If all these new kids that are in the NBA and comin into NBA had even half of that, this league would be 10x better.......

Federal Reserve
07-21-2013, 04:05 PM
Wow you must be a really special kind of ignorant. Achilles and ACL's are different.

Shumpert had the same injury on the same day, yet he has been playing for a while now.

Goose17
07-21-2013, 04:10 PM
If this is true then wow.

I get a feeling with the new HGH rules coming into the league next season, Kobe might miss more than half a season though ;)

Goose17
07-21-2013, 04:12 PM
Shumpert had the same injury on the same day, yet he has been playing for a while now.

ACL tears aren't all the same. Severity comes into question.

ManRam
07-21-2013, 04:13 PM
Wow you must be a really special kind of ignorant. Achilles and ACL's are different.

Not only that, but everyone heals differently too and not all ACL tears are the same. That's why these things have such wide windows for recovery. 6-9 for Achilles and even a wider window for ACL tears (especially if your meniscus and MCL are torn too).

LoveMeOrHateMe
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
Kobe is Kobe! The most competitive ****er to ever play the game

Federal Reserve
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
ACL tears aren't all the same. Severity comes into question.

Rose was cleared by doctors to play; he chose not to.

ChitownBears22
07-21-2013, 04:27 PM
Rose was cleared by doctors to play; he chose not to.

Jets Homer, Knicks Homer, Knee specialist, and head doctor at delusional university medical program. Ladies and gentlemen I present Federal Reserve PhD

Bruno
07-21-2013, 04:32 PM
How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

they have totally different injuries.

ChitownBears22
07-21-2013, 04:33 PM
they have totally different injuries.

Don't argue with him.....he has a PhD

Federal Reserve
07-21-2013, 04:34 PM
Jets Homer, Knicks Homer, Knee specialist, and head doctor at delusional university medical program. Ladies and gentlemen I present Federal Reserve PhD

I am sorry for using facts to make a point. I guess those doctors had no clue what they were doing when they evaluated Rose and said that he was cleared to play.

Lim
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Hgh

ChitownBears22
07-21-2013, 04:38 PM
I am sorry for using facts to make a point. I guess those doctors had no clue what they were doing when they evaluated Rose and said that he was cleared to play.

They cleared him to practice. It is still a players decision to get on the floor. He has talked about it recently and he wasn't able to play at a high level. It takes a bigger man to walk away from the game for a little bit in order to not hurt his team.

Keep in mind I hate Rose and the Bulls.

shep33
07-21-2013, 04:40 PM
Christmas day at the very latest. I think he comes back in November though. I don't think its humanly possible to come back at training camp. More importantly, Kobe shouldn't go through training camp or preseason anyways

More-Than-Most
07-21-2013, 04:53 PM
Freak of ****ing Nature.... Arragant/bad teammate and on the decline...Say what you will but never ever take a stab at the mans drive. Holy hell he is a man of steel.

More-Than-Most
07-21-2013, 04:55 PM
In the past it normally takes young athletes 6-9 months to recover from achilles tears, and this would put him at like... 5 months? Pretty wild if he's actually going to be ready. Probably a combo of the best medicine + ultra dedicated rehab. Hopefully he's not pushing it too much and risking re-injury.

This is why I think its moronic and been saying so for a while. The lakers aren't a threat even with him and him rushing back could be very very bad for them long term if he gets seriously injured. This is not like the Rose thing where his team is in the Eastern conference and stands a very good chance on a loaded bulls team. He has 0 reason to come back this fast

Goose17
07-21-2013, 05:20 PM
Rose was cleared by doctors to play; he chose not to.

He wanted to play the post season. Chicago FO asked him not to.

And being cleared by doctors isn't the same as being physically ready. Come on now bro, it's not that black and white.

beliges
07-21-2013, 06:11 PM
Eh this is no news. Its Kobe. Nobody in the history of the league had his will and dedication.

lakerfan85
07-21-2013, 06:32 PM
Freak of ****ing Nature.... Arragant/bad teammate and on the decline...Say what you will but never ever take a stab at the mans drive. Holy hell he is a man of steel.

Aren't most athletes arrogant?? It's funny that you call him a bad teammate..

dodie53
07-21-2013, 07:06 PM
kobe is a snake.
he regenerates faster

SINCESTARBURY25
07-21-2013, 07:14 PM
Kobe to me could be the kinda guy that plays until he is 45 he just has the drive.

Hawkeye15
07-21-2013, 07:16 PM
Kobe is as tough as they come. But I have reservations that he will ever be the same Kobe. He was already relegated to a jump shooter the last couple of seasons, this can't possibly help his explosiveness.

If he does return strong, it's yet another example of how unreal Kobe's dedication to his fitness and preparation are. It's the reason he is an all timer.

Hawkeye15
07-21-2013, 07:18 PM
This is why I think its moronic and been saying so for a while. The lakers aren't a threat even with him and him rushing back could be very very bad for them long term if he gets seriously injured. This is not like the Rose thing where his team is in the Eastern conference and stands a very good chance on a loaded bulls team. He has 0 reason to come back this fast

what long term? He is 35, with so many games on him. Rose rushing back is stupid, Kobe, meh, up to him. Not like he is going to hurt his legacy at this point.

Bruno
07-21-2013, 07:31 PM
Kobe is as tough as they come. But I have reservations that he will ever be the same Kobe. He was already relegated to a jump shooter the last couple of seasons, this can't possibly help his explosiveness.

players relegated into jump shooters don't finish top three in the league in free throws made in back-to-back seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_top_10.html

tredigs
07-21-2013, 07:57 PM
players relegated into jump shooters don't finish top three in the league in free throws made in back-to-back seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_top_10.html

Yeah that's true, and despite him taking more 3's now than he generally had in his career (still took more at his peak), he's actually shooting mid-range and deep 2's at a lower rate than ever. Meanwhile he's finishing at the rim nearly at his '07 levels and doing it on the highest % in that span as well.

The EXPLOSION on these finishes isn't at the same level (tho' he's still impressing us when he wants to), and his defense is slipping a bit more, but offensively he's still putting it down.

Jesse Pinkman
07-21-2013, 10:43 PM
How do you explain the situation with Rose? I guess it just goes to show that some people are mentally weak in sports.

These guys had 2 totally different injuries. A torn Achilles and its recurrent rate are different from a torn ACL and its recurrence rate. One is a ligament injury and another is a tendon injury.

Often times many get Achilles and ACL confused.

Tony_Starks
07-21-2013, 10:53 PM
I guess nothing he does should really even surprise me at this point. I think Dwight leaving is going to have him extra fired up.

People are pretty much writing the Lakers off but Kobe might have a few tricks up his sleeve....

chipurmunki
07-21-2013, 11:57 PM
a re-tear would be nice. i'm already looking forward to a post-kobe nba. now if only le bj would also disappear...

ArmLaker
07-22-2013, 12:41 AM
a re-tear would be nice. i'm already looking forward to a post-kobe nba. now if only le bj would also disappear...

ooo boo hoo Kobe and Michael have ruined my franchise's hopes of a championship so I have to take it out on KOBE now.......why LBJ though? lol

raiderposting
07-22-2013, 12:47 AM
a re-tear would be nice. i'm already looking forward to a post-kobe nba. now if only le bj would also disappear...

I hope you tear your Achilles

HouRealCoach
07-22-2013, 12:51 AM
In the past it normally takes young athletes 6-9 months to recover from achilles tears, and this would put him at like... 5 months? Pretty wild if he's actually going to be ready. Probably a combo of the best medicine + ultra dedicated rehab. Hopefully he's not pushing it too much and risking re-injury.

He had April, May, June, July, August, & September... Won't start really playing until November and people thought he would miss half of the season?

ztilzer31
07-22-2013, 02:43 AM
This would maybe be more impressive if Terrell Suggs didn't come back from the same injury in less than 5 1/2 months playing a 10x more physically demanding sport...

Still impressive, but we've discussed previously how this injury isn't what it was in the past. He should be ready for the beginning of the regular season for sure.

fresh prince
07-22-2013, 04:18 AM
Kobe is as tough as they come. But I have reservations that he will ever be the same Kobe. He was already relegated to a jump shooter the last couple of seasons, this can't possibly help his explosiveness.

If he does return strong, it's yet another example of how unreal Kobe's dedication to his fitness and preparation are. It's the reason he is an all timer.

:laugh::laugh::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnx2mV9VH4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbXSsKt3ufc

You are truly amazing when it comes to having a warped perception

fresh prince
07-22-2013, 04:29 AM
This is why I think its moronic and been saying so for a while. The lakers aren't a threat even with him and him rushing back could be very very bad for them long term if he gets seriously injured. This is not like the Rose thing where his team is in the Eastern conference and stands a very good chance on a loaded bulls team. He has 0 reason to come back this fast

Think logically. This guy is a competitor YOU may believe the Lakers aren't a threat. But KOBE would never admit that and you wouldn't either if you were an elite athlete. In his mind he probably thinks if he comes back and returns to form they can win a championship. Now... is he delusional for thinking that? Probably so. But at the same time it's that unflappable confidence that makes the guy who he is. Its what makes all the greats great for that matter.

chipurmunki
07-22-2013, 10:50 AM
I hope you tear your Achilles

quit crying. your team might be relevant 5 years after your hero retires. kobe's dragging la down with him.

Tony_Starks
07-22-2013, 10:56 AM
He had April, May, June, July, August, & September... Won't start really playing until November and people thought he would miss half of the season?

Some people were actually going so far to say he might miss the whole season when he first got injured. It was ridiculous....

Tony_Starks
07-22-2013, 11:00 AM
quit crying. your team might be relevant 5 years after your hero retires. kobe's dragging la down with him.

Lol yeah like he dragged them to the playoff last year.

Just knock it off man hating is bad for your health....

Hawkeye15
07-22-2013, 11:42 AM
players relegated into jump shooters don't finish top three in the league in free throws made in back-to-back seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_top_10.html

damn, I just looked and he has stayed as consistent as you get the last 5-6 years, and actually his close shots were up this year, percentage wise.

Some of the free throws made though, is a testament to his ability to draw fouls away from the rim, and the mere fact that he shoots it a ton.

Hawkeye15
07-22-2013, 11:43 AM
Yeah that's true, and despite him taking more 3's now than he generally had in his career (still took more at his peak), he's actually shooting mid-range and deep 2's at a lower rate than ever. Meanwhile he's finishing at the rim nearly at his '07 levels and doing it on the highest % in that span as well.

The EXPLOSION on these finishes isn't at the same level (tho' he's still impressing us when he wants to), and his defense is slipping a bit more, but offensively he's still putting it down.

That could be another area that falls even farther. Kobe has obviously been saving himself on the defensive end, to put up his offensive numbers. Could that slip even more?

chipurmunki
07-22-2013, 12:48 PM
Lol yeah like he dragged them to the playoff last year.

Just knock it off man hating is bad for your health....

lol, the playoffs?! that's your argument?! call me the next time they make the playoffs, let alone avoid getting swept again.

i needed a good laugh.

Guppyfighter
07-22-2013, 12:52 PM
lol, the playoffs?! that's your argument?! call me the next time they make the playoffs, let alone avoid getting swept again.

i needed a good laugh.

I mean. They could always just quote you on that time you said the Jazz were going to be the fourth seed because of the unstoppable duo of Mo Williams and Al Jefferson.

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 01:13 PM
Rose has his entire career to lose if he comes back early and risks injury. Kobe has almost had two NBA careers already. Huge difference


Exactly.

fresh prince
07-22-2013, 01:16 PM
I mean. They could always just quote you on that time you said the Jazz were going to be the fourth seed because of the unstoppable duo of Mo Williams and Al Jefferson.

:rimshot:

Hahahahhaaa

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 01:32 PM
Hawk, This post of yours is a clear testament to your fairness (with yourself as well as others). You previously made a strong statement about Kobe's supposedly declining shooting. Bruno87 sends you a link that tends to differ. You read it and correct yourself; so much so that you went from a negative comment to a positive compliment. It's the minority here (and in society generally) that is humble enough, and big enough to admit and correct mistakes so smoothly. Nice.

N.B. Somehow I didn't quote Hawk's post (#53, about 5 above mine here) ; here are his/your words from that post:

Hawkeye: "damn, I just looked and he has stayed as consistent as you get the last 5-6 years, and actually his close shots were up this year, percentage wise.

Some of the free throws made though, is a testament to his ability to draw fouls away from the rim, and the mere fact that he shoots it a ton. "

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 01:37 PM
from a previous post of mine in the Rockets vs Lakers thread here:
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829942-Who-Will-Win-More-Games-Lakers-or-Rockets&p=26724067#post26724067 post titled:

WHAT THING ABOUT KOBE'S SHOT THAT SURPISED ME THE MOST

ABOUT KOBE: *
Recently I've watched some 10 or so Kobe HighLight Videos, totaling over an hour. ** (The 81 point game; various videos of his supposedly best moves/shots, ...). I was not looking for anything more than just getting enjoyment and thrills. BUT PERHAPS, I DID end up with something I didn't expect: an insight into a key part of what makes him so great. What I saw/noticed that was NEW (at least to me) was NOT his incredible foot-work - I expected that and was not disappointed. (And, of course, they didn't include his many, many misques.)

WHAT THING ABOUT KOBE'S SHOT THAT SURPISED ME THE MOST
I started realizing that no matter: the difficulty of the shot, the place he shot from, the time left on the shot-clock, the level of defensive pressure against him, the level of importance of the moment, the level of importance of the game ... NO MATTER ANYTHING, THE LAST MOMENTS OF EVERY KOBE JUMP-SHOT IS ALWAYS THE SAME! Regardless of lower-body positions and contortions, his upper-body is almost always identical; and his arms even more so; and his hand movements even more so.

At the last moments before his release, we see the following: his right (shooting) hand under the ball and always the same way under the ball; his left hand always on top of the ball maintaining the ball "just-so" pressed into his shooting hand. Then, at the exact peak of his jump, he pulls his left hand gently off the ball (and moves it slightly away but still upwards - this too is always the same). Then his right hand lofts the ball with always the same super-fluid motion and follow-through. THIS IS A HUGE PART OF HIS SUCCESS, EVERY JUMP SHOT HAS THE SAME UPPER-BODY FORM.

That's why the dude practices with the intensity he does: he knew/knows that "you are today what you've practiced before today" (Decades ago, I started using/believing this saying; and I've never heard anybody else use it. Can I copyright it, or something??? - weird enough for you-all? hehe). He "endlessly" practices "perfect" shooting form.

After a while, I was watching in stunned silence because I knew what was coming before it happened. What a shooting machine! How delicious, stunning, awesome, phenomenal ... (fill in any number of other adjectives that express delightful-surprise).

Let's leave aside for the moment the question of whether he does or doesn't shoot too much. Due to the very high average level of the degree of difficulty for his jump shots, his percent is not going to be as high as a number of the top players in the league. But compared even to some of them, and compared to almost everybody else, his straight-stats shooting percentage is impressive; and his true shooting percentage even more so.

Now, despite his terrible injury and what history has shown us about how each similarly-injured player has responded before now; AND despite the fact that he's already played so many (regular season PLUS play-off): years, games, and minutes; even most Kobe-haters are NOT betting against most of the following:
a) him coming back at all;
b) him coming back early;
c) him coming back super-early;
d) him returning back to at least all-star level quality-play by the end of the season; and wow:
e) him returning back to top-10 level of play for at least the last part of the season.

Anyone who is unbiased enough to respect both top-quality play and top-quality effort; MUST BE dying to see if this man can figuratively, "Pull off the (previously) impossible". At this point, no matter what he does; let's show THIS the respect that it deserves.

The NBA's next season, 2013-2014, has lots of great "story-lines" - no one needs me to repeat any of them here. Kobe's efforts to come back, (and whatever the results), while not necessarily being ONE OF BIGGEST such story-lines; surely is NOT A SMALL ONE. Me personally, I can't wait!!!

** I see that me, the supposed "math genius" (maybe I was decades ago; probably not any more, hehe); has made a simple math-addition error. I said I've watched 10 or so Kobe videos totaling about an hour; but that would mean only 6 minutes per video on average; ridiculous, because one of them was at least 20 minutes and others were at least 10 minutes; so let's just call it 2 hours.

TestedWest
07-22-2013, 01:40 PM
And in 9 posts... Pablo becomes the most unique individual of all time.

EDIT: make that 10

ztilzer31
07-22-2013, 01:49 PM
from a previous post of mine in the Rockets vs Lakers thread here:
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829942-Who-Will-Win-More-Games-Lakers-or-Rockets&p=26724067#post26724067 post titled:

WHAT THING ABOUT KOBE'S SHOT THAT SURPISED ME THE MOST

ABOUT KOBE: *
Recently I've watched some 10 or so Kobe HighLight Videos, totaling over an hour. ** (The 81 point game; various videos of his supposedly best moves/shots, ...). I was not looking for anything more than just getting enjoyment and thrills. BUT PERHAPS, I DID end up with something I didn't expect: an insight into a key part of what makes him so great. What I saw/noticed that was NEW (at least to me) was NOT his incredible foot-work - I expected that and was not disappointed. (And, of course, they didn't include his many, many misques.)

WHAT THING ABOUT KOBE'S SHOT THAT SURPISED ME THE MOST
I started realizing that no matter: the difficulty of the shot, the place he shot from, the time left on the shot-clock, the level of defensive pressure against him, the level of importance of the moment, the level of importance of the game ... NO MATTER ANYTHING, THE LAST MOMENTS OF EVERY KOBE JUMP-SHOT IS ALWAYS THE SAME! Regardless of lower-body positions and contortions, his upper-body is almost always identical; and his arms even more so; and his hand movements even more so.

At the last moments before his release, we see the following: his right (shooting) hand under the ball and always the same way under the ball; his left hand always on top of the ball maintaining the ball "just-so" pressed into his shooting hand. Then, at the exact peak of his jump, he pulls his left hand gently off the ball (and moves it slightly away but still upwards - this too is always the same). Then his right hand lofts the ball with always the same super-fluid motion and follow-through. THIS IS A HUGE PART OF HIS SUCCESS, EVERY JUMP SHOT HAS THE SAME UPPER-BODY FORM.

That's why the dude practices with the intensity he does: he knew/knows that "you are today what you've practiced before today" (Decades ago, I started using/believing this saying; and I've never heard anybody else use it. Can I copyright it, or something??? - weird enough for you-all? hehe). He "endlessly" practices "perfect" shooting form.

After a while, I was watching in stunned silence because I knew what was coming before it happened. What a shooting machine! How delicious, stunning, awesome, phenomenal ... (fill in any number of other adjectives that express delightful-surprise).

Let's leave aside for the moment the question of whether he does or doesn't shoot too much. Due to the very high average level of the degree of difficulty for his jump shots, his percent is not going to be as high as a number of the top players in the league. But compared even to some of them, and compared to almost everybody else, his straight-stats shooting percentage is impressive; and his true shooting percentage even more so.

Now, despite his terrible injury and what history has shown us about how each similarly-injured player has responded before now; AND despite the fact that he's already played so many (regular season PLUS play-off): years, games, and minutes; even most Kobe-haters are NOT betting against most of the following:
a) him coming back at all;
b) him coming back early;
c) him coming back super-early;
d) him returning back to at least all-star level quality-play by the end of the season; and wow:
e) him returning back to top-10 level of play for at least the last part of the season.

Anyone who is unbiased enough to respect both top-quality play and top-quality effort; MUST BE dying to see if this man can figuratively, "Pull off the (previously) impossible". At this point, no matter what he does; let's show THIS the respect that it deserves.

The NBA's next season, 2013-2014, has lots of great "story-lines" - no one needs me to repeat any of them here. Kobe's efforts to come back, (and whatever the results), while not necessarily being ONE OF BIGGEST such story-lines; surely is NOT A SMALL ONE. Me personally, I can't wait!!!

** I see that me, the supposed "math genius" (maybe I was decades ago; probably not any more, hehe); has made a simple math-addition error. I said I've watched 10 or so Kobe videos totaling about an hour; but that would mean only 6 minutes per video on average; ridiculous, because one of them was at least 20 minutes and others were at least 10 minutes; so let's just call it 2 hours.

Dude if you want people to read your posts I suggest keeping them on topic, and maybe less than 10 paragraphs.

Hawkeye15
07-22-2013, 03:07 PM
Hawk, This post of yours is a clear testament to your fairness (with yourself as well as others). You previously made a strong statement about Kobe's supposedly declining shooting. Bruno87 sends you a link that tends to differ. You read it and correct yourself; so much so that you went from a negative comment to a positive compliment. It's the minority here (and in society generally) that is humble enough, and big enough to admit and correct mistakes so smoothly. Nice.

N.B. Somehow I didn't quote Hawk's post (#53, about 5 above mine here) ; here are his/your words from that post:

Hawkeye: "damn, I just looked and he has stayed as consistent as you get the last 5-6 years, and actually his close shots were up this year, percentage wise.

Some of the free throws made though, is a testament to his ability to draw fouls away from the rim, and the mere fact that he shoots it a ton. "

I actually went to another site that breaks down his attempts from all ranges. It showed that while he took 88% of his shots from the perimeter in 11-12', he dipped back down to 79% last year, driving 19% of the time, up from 10% the year prior. And his 5 year trend holds steady. He dunked a bit more 4-5 years ago, but he is at least getting in that 10 foot area at the same rate. Simply changed my perspective on what I had claimed, though he doesn't attack the rim like he used to, but that is to be expected.

Tony_Starks
07-22-2013, 04:07 PM
I actually went to another site that breaks down his attempts from all ranges. It showed that while he took 88% of his shots from the perimeter in 11-12', he dipped back down to 79% last year, driving 19% of the time, up from 10% the year prior. And his 5 year trend holds steady. He dunked a bit more 4-5 years ago, but he is at least getting in that 10 foot area at the same rate. Simply changed my perspective on what I had claimed, though he doesn't attack the rim like he used to, but that is to be expected.


Hawk you almost make me want to take a gander at advanced stats man..... ALMOST!

Hawkeye15
07-22-2013, 04:10 PM
Hawk you almost make me want to take a gander at advanced stats man..... ALMOST!

without them, you will never truly understand the difference between LeBron and Kobe. But, to be fair, a lot of Kobe fans do not like them, because they don't paint a pretty picture for Kobe in many cases against a lot of the other all timers.

rhd420
07-22-2013, 04:15 PM
Jim Buss needs to sell season tickets ... I'd be more inclined to have Kobe sit till December, make sure the injury is completely healed as opposed to a repeat of last year and a over used player on the verge of injuries towards the later end of the season

Don't care about the Kobe or LeBron debate, if there is a off chance of LeBron being a Laker, no need to care unless your primarily a Kobe fan. Since the Lakers have had many great players before, Kobe is just another player who has been lucky enough to have played his entire career with one team, imagine the amount of titles LeBron would have now with a organization and braintrust with Jerry West at the time surrounding him with talent.

TheIlladelph16
07-22-2013, 04:33 PM
If there is anything said about Kobe, it should be that he is definitely a warrior. I'll truly believe it when I see it because these reports come out every single year for players being hurt, but if anyone could do it, Kobe wouldn't shock me in the least.

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 04:43 PM
And in 9 posts... Pablo becomes the most unique individual of all time.

EDIT: make that 10

Damn! I'm wondering how I should feel about this "title":
a) honored;
b) weird (nothing new);
c) shamed.

hehe you got me screaming in laughter so hard my tumbly hurts.
Thanx (I hope?)

el hidalgo
07-22-2013, 04:46 PM
Anybody else believe me now that Kobe does this stuff because he cares so much about be looked at as a "warrior"? There is NO reason Kobe should play this soon. He is going to re-injure it, then look like a buffoon. He just wants the glory and the reputation. He should just play it safe and sit out. He is already up there in age. No reason to push it.

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 04:47 PM
Dude if you want people to read your posts I suggest keeping them on topic, and maybe less than 10 paragraphs.

Well, this topic is about Kobe coming back; and there has already been lots of discussion about the quality of his shooting. No?

About the length: my mind keeps screaming "Stop; you'll embarrass yourself with posts this long"; but my fingers don't seem to give a flying f___ and just keep typing! hehe
I WILL try to keep them under control from now on. I DO accept your suggestion here.

goku
07-22-2013, 04:57 PM
ol jimmy bust trying to rush kobe back good move Ill wait till doctors clear him before I believe it

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 05:02 PM
Anybody else believe me now that Kobe does this stuff because he cares so much about be looked at as a "warrior"? There is NO reason Kobe should play this soon. He is going to re-injure it, then look like a buffoon. He just wants the glory and the reputation. He should just play it safe and sit out. He is already up there in age. No reason to push it.

Without noticing who might be posting, I started reading and was happy with these first words: "Anybody else believe me now that Kobe does this stuff because he cares so much about ...". And I then expecting something like:
a) NBA basketball;
b) NBA fans;
c) the Lakers.

But no, instead your following words are: " be looked at as a "warrior"? "
This caused me to look at "who" posted it; and then I realized why it said what it said. Your one of those people who doesn't/can't change no matter what. But this is a little extreme even for you, isn't it.

I mean; you could have tried to trash Kobe by claiming he was coming back too early JUST TO jack up more shots, accumulate more points ... so that his career-stats would be further inflated.

There IS a good reason for Kobe to play this soon IF his & the Laker team doctors give him the "go" sign; and IF he feels strongly that he can: KOBE LOVES PLAYING PROFESSION BASKETBALL. If I could play like him; I'd do what he does to get back asap; wouldn't you, really? Afterall, he's NOT going to play if he (and the doctors) strongly believe he'll get injured; he doesn't appear to be suicidal career-wise.

So, in sum, I doubt that hardly "anybody else believe me [= you, "el hidalgo"] that Kobe ... buffoon".
If he does get injured; you'll brag away. If he comes back and plays pretty well; will you, finally, give the man some credit?

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 05:11 PM
a re-tear would be nice. i'm already looking forward to a post-kobe nba. now if only le bj would also disappear...

suppose for a moment that the mods here on the NBA General Forum were only allowed one single basis for banning someone here. In other words, everything else would be allowed EXCEPT this one thing. What would that one bad thing be? WISHING A HORRIBLE INJURY ON ANY NBA PLAYER.

You do a lot of damage by calling for such a thing:
a) Infuriate lots of other posters and force the thread to be filled full of justified responses and other stuff that basically, otherwise, just clutters things up;
b) Disgust any "outside" readers; thus making PSD look way bad;
c) Make yourself look mean, spiteful, petty ... in one word, a fool.

Can we have a "rule" that people wishing horrible things on NBA athletes qualify for an immediate ban?

Tony_Starks
07-22-2013, 06:07 PM
Anybody else believe me now that Kobe does this stuff because he cares so much about be looked at as a "warrior"? There is NO reason Kobe should play this soon. He is going to re-injure it, then look like a buffoon. He just wants the glory and the reputation. He should just play it safe and sit out. He is already up there in age. No reason to push it.


I choose to think he's doing it because he's dedicated to the game and practices/ takes his conditioning more serious than most players in the game today, as evidenced by his longevity......

But that's just me.

Also the fact that Kobe is in your pic and yet you routinely bash him regardless of topic is somewhat peculiar and disturbing to me....

Iron24th
07-22-2013, 06:44 PM
I choose to think he's doing it because he's dedicated to the game and practices/ takes his conditioning more serious than most players in the game today, as evidenced by his longevity......

But that's just me.

Also the fact that Kobe is in your pic and yet you routinely bash him regardless of topic is somewhat peculiar and disturbing to me....

He's the modern version of a troll

Pablonovi
07-22-2013, 07:56 PM
I actually went to another site that breaks down his attempts from all ranges. It showed that while he took 88% of his shots from the perimeter in 11-12', he dipped back down to 79% last year, driving 19% of the time, up from 10% the year prior. And his 5 year trend holds steady. He dunked a bit more 4-5 years ago, but he is at least getting in that 10 foot area at the same rate. Simply changed my perspective on what I had claimed, though he doesn't attack the rim like he used to, but that is to be expected.

Thanx for these stats and analysis. Useful.

LegendsNvrDie23
07-22-2013, 11:45 PM
Hawk, This post of yours is a clear testament to your fairness (with yourself as well as others). You previously made a strong statement about Kobe's supposedly declining shooting. Bruno87 sends you a link that tends to differ. You read it and correct yourself; so much so that you went from a negative comment to a positive compliment. It's the minority here (and in society generally) that is humble enough, and big enough to admit and correct mistakes so smoothly. Nice.

N.B. Somehow I didn't quote Hawk's post (#53, about 5 above mine here) ; here are his/your words from that post:

Hawkeye: "damn, I just looked and he has stayed as consistent as you get the last 5-6 years, and actually his close shots were up this year, percentage wise.

Some of the free throws made though, is a testament to his ability to draw fouls away from the rim, and the mere fact that he shoots it a ton. "

Pro Sports Mods hiring dupes to help with PR. Lmao.

Pablonovi
07-23-2013, 01:47 AM
Pro Sports Mods hiring dupes to help with PR. Lmao.

My friend,
Permit me to suggest you track down my very first post. I gave a compliment to Hawkeye and also a put-down. In my second post, I apologized for the put-down because the problem was my phrasing; it came across too harsh (I used some form of the word "idiot"). It THOROUGHLY embarrassed me and was totally undeserved by him. I'm not too much of an idiot myself to be unable to recognize when I've made a significant blunder.

Since then, it is true that it may appear that I'm complimenting him a lot. But I've got some good reasons for that.
1) I consider my mistake, especially since it was my very first post, to be NOT small; and DO want to make up for insulting someone who didn't deserve it; sure, when Hawkeye gets to talking about "my" Lakers, he sometimes pisses the f____ out of me; but his overall role here at PSD's NBA Forum (I've never been to any other part of PSD) is way more positive than negative; way more. Do you disagree with this evaluation of his role here?

2) It's just my style. I give compliments regularly; that's who I am, how I "do business"; and not just here at PSD; but instead all my life in everything I do;

3) Mods tend to get far more negative criticisms than positive. I've spent time in the past doing something similar to moderating and I learned the hard way that it's much more thankless than thanked. The people you help give you less praise than the people you piss off give you flack. So, I AM "guilty", if you like, of paying particular attention to the work of the mods here; and where I believe it is merited I have complimented them (only Hawk so far, I've only been here a week). I wouldn't be surprised if I continue to occasionally compliment one of them. That's just who I am; and I like that about me - it seems to be a very nice quality.

4) I'm probably old enough to be most people here's grandpa. I'm still trying to get used to the word "dupe" to mean a duplicate account; heck I recently learned what "sock puppet" meant. For all my decades up until last month, "dupe" for me meant a person who is easily convinced, convinced without fully sufficient, justified reasons. My only relationship to PSD was that I lurked here for about 2 years before joining. Frankly, I'm just way too old to be bothered with either "duping" or being much bothered by "dupers"; hopefully I won't become a "dupe-ee"!
Thanx for your consideration,
Pablo

Jogumesapeh
07-23-2013, 03:25 AM
Kobe is a beast, nuff said.

Pablonovi
07-23-2013, 03:42 PM
Kobe is a beast, nuff said.

Succinct.
But, then, you had to go and bust up your own "winning streak" by getting banned? Where/when did you go wrong, in 17 posts, enough to get banned??!!