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waveycrockett
07-18-2013, 04:38 PM
Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban doesn’t initially mention Dwight Howard by name in his latest explanation as to why the Mavs have gone pear-shaped, but he doesn’t have to. Howard was courted by the Mavericks and several other teams that wanted to give each and every bit of their cap space to the All-Star center, and when Howard chose the Houston Rockets, teams like the Los Angeles Lakers, Atlanta Hawks, Mavs and Golden State Warriors were all forced into their respective Plan Bs.
Still, none of the teams listed are being forced to pull off silliness like this, from Bryan Gutierrez and Tim MacMahon at ESPN Dallas:
"I think we've put ourselves in a spot where we're in a better spot than we were at if we got just the one max-out deal," Cuban told ESPNDallas.com during the Mavs' summer league game Wednesday night. "I think it'd be better shorter and longer term. I don't want to make that sound the wrong way. I think we'll be better this year because we added five good players or more."
Come on, Mark.
There’s value to breaking up that cap space to use on several darn good players, instead of going all-in on one All-Star and scrambling to fill a roster with minimum salaries and exceptions on top of that. In most cases, it’s preferable, because there just aren’t that many franchise-tilting stars out there worth working up a top-heavy roster for.
Howard is one of those stars, though. And Dallas’ Plan B doesn’t look all that appealing on paper.
The team used that space to sign former Toronto Raptors and Detroit Pistons point guard Jose Calderon, a fine addition, but one the Mavericks have committed to for four years. Four years for a guy who plays on one side of the court and turns 32 in September. It’s true that we’re not privy to negotiations, but it appeared as if the Mavericks were bidding against themselves on this one — something that Calderon more or less confirmed following the announcement of the transaction. From David Aldridge at NBA.com:
"The truth is that I don't know if there was exactly that many options there," he told local reporters last week. "Sometimes the offers come and go two hours later. It's kind of a weird thing."
Things got much weirder when the Mavs then used a goodly chunk of the cap space that remained to sign Monta Ellis.
For years, the Mavericks have employed their own personalized analytics unit to help weed out inefficient prospects, but even a casual box score observer could look at Ellis’ typical lines and deduce that this wasn’t a guy you wanted to throw three years and $25 million at. Could Ellis’ shooting numbers change while playing alongside Dirk Nowitzki, or with a pure point man like Calderon feeding him the ball? Sure, but you’re banking on a major attitude adjustment some nine years into Ellis’ career along the way, and those sorts of things are rare for these relatively old dogs.
From there, the Mavericks agreed to terms with Samuel Dalembert, who was lost in the shuffle with the Milwaukee Bucks last year for reasons that may or may not have been his fault, and the team appears to be well on its way toward bringing back former Mavs guard Devin Harris for a small deal once he undergoes toe surgery. Lanky forward Brendan Wright was also retained, but that was a move that would have been NBA-legal even with Howard on the roster.
Cuban went on:
"Obviously we didn't get Dwight," Cuban said. "We took a chance, and it didn't happen. I think we put together a really good team. It sticks within the culture we've tried to define. We've dealt with some of the weaknesses we had from last year. Hopefully if we stay healthy, good things will happen."
“Last year” was the first time in Cuban’s history as a season-long owner (he was only the team’s owner for half of the 1999-00 season) that the Mavericks missed the playoffs. And, this time last year, we didn’t really have a problem with how 2012-13 was shaping up. Cuban missed out on Howard (who opted into his contract) and Deron Williams (who re-signed with the Brooklyn Nets) and recovered by acquiring a litany of pretty good players on one-year contracts to round out his team’s depth. With Rick Carlisle matching the pieces together, while retaining cap space for this summer, it seemed like the perfect holdover scenario.
Nowitzki’s knee injury changed all that. He missed the first seven weeks of the season, and by the time he rounded into shape a few weeks after that, the Mavericks were just about out of the playoff race. The team finished the season with a 16-9 run, but it just wasn’t happening.
With a healthy Nowitzki in place, and a clear upgrade in terms of passing and execution with Calderon replacing Darren Collison, the Mavs should contend for a playoff spot. And if Dirk decides to take a massive pay cut next summer, the Mavericks could contend for a big-name free-agent signing because Ellis and Calderon’s deals aren’t too dear.
On top of that, Cuban has to sell tickets and intrigue for 2013-14; he can’t sell yet another “wait until next summer!”-scenario. We get that. And again, in most cases with this depth vs. superstar argument, Mark isn’t wrong.
Still, he doesn’t have to answer every question, y’know? Sometimes it’s good just to watch a Summer League game, and not start talking every time a camera or reporter shows up.
And he can’t try the 2012-era line of reasoning this time around. Spreading the wealth after missing out on Williams? That wasn’t the worst Plan B.
Spreading it after missing out on Howard, though? He’s different. This is not a “better spot.”




http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/mark-cuban-thinks-mavs-better-spot-because-added-161925010.html

mjt20mik
07-18-2013, 04:42 PM
lol.. Mark Cuban makes me scratch my head sometimes

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2013, 04:45 PM
He mad

king4day
07-18-2013, 04:50 PM
If I read the article right, I don't think he was taking a shot at Howard. He was saying, financially they can put the right pieces around Dirk that they would have been restricted from doing had Howard signed.

2-ONE-5
07-18-2013, 05:00 PM
didnt he say the same about Deron Williams?

Sadds The Gr8
07-18-2013, 05:02 PM
Why he mad tho?

ll_eric_ll
07-18-2013, 05:27 PM
I think flexebility wise, hes right,.. Houston tied up all that $$, in a dominant defensive center, but lets not kid ourselves, Howard has his limitations offensively.. that being said, he is a "big name" singing and might facilitate other free agent signing for tha Rockates,.. I did want Howard, i think hes a tremendous defensive presence, and woulda been a perfect pairing with Dirk, But Dalembert, Ellis, Calderon,.. not bad for a plan B

LegendsNvrDie23
07-18-2013, 05:31 PM
Cuban is a *******.

IndyRealist
07-18-2013, 05:41 PM
I think flexebility wise, hes right,.. Houston tied up all that $$, in a dominant defensive center, but lets not kid ourselves, Howard has his limitations offensively.. that being said, he is a "big name" singing and might facilitate other free agent signing for tha Rockates,.. I did want Howard, i think hes a tremendous defensive presence, and woulda been a perfect pairing with Dirk, But Dalembert, Ellis, Calderon,.. not bad for a plan B

Would you rather have Dwight, or Jose Calderon + Monta Ellis? I'd rather have Dwight for basically the same the money.

Avenged
07-18-2013, 05:46 PM
Dalembert! :worthy:

JerseyPalahniuk
07-18-2013, 05:53 PM
If I read the article right, I don't think he was taking a shot at Howard. He was saying, financially they can put the right pieces around Dirk that they would have been restricted from doing had Howard signed.

Yeah but the point is that he's ends up always saying these things AFTER making a huge push for these superstars. Dallas admitted that Howard was Plan A. So when they don't get him, they were better off? Why make him Plan A then? He said the exact same things after losing out of Dwill and I'm sure he'll keep saying it Dallas loses out on another star.

NYSpirit1
07-18-2013, 05:55 PM
He said this last year about Deron Williams. Apparently every year you don't sign a superstar, you're better off.

3RDASYSTEM
07-18-2013, 05:55 PM
CUBAN(missing out) - original quote

CUBAN(landing DWIGHT) - 'This gives us a chance to compete for next 3 yrs and close out DIRK's career on high note

he had 2 speeches ready for this, its how CUBAN rolls
what is supposed to say? that his team is worse off?

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2013, 05:57 PM
Dalembert > Howard is what he's basically saying

3RDASYSTEM
07-18-2013, 05:59 PM
Would you rather have Dwight, or Jose Calderon + Monta Ellis? I'd rather have Dwight for basically the same the money.

But HOUSTON didn't need ELLIS or JOSE so maybe you would rather have those 2 and it makes way way more sense since MAYO-COLLISON are gone, the starting backcourt along with the irrepressible MIKE JAMES

HARDEN can do what JOSE-ELLIS can do by himself and LIN is better at this stage than MIKE J

DWIGHT is better than than the entire MAV'S frontcourt combined, or at worst equal, he cant shoot or score like DIRK but he does everything else miles better than DIRK plus he can get you 20-24ppg

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2013, 06:01 PM
I think flexebility wise, hes right,.. Houston tied up all that $$, in a dominant defensive center, but lets not kid ourselves, Howard has his limitations offensively.. that being said, he is a "big name" singing and might facilitate other free agent signing for tha Rockates,.. I did want Howard, i think hes a tremendous defensive presence, and woulda been a perfect pairing with Dirk, But Dalembert, Ellis, Calderon,.. not bad for a plan B

Dwight is better than the entire Mavs team combine so it was no brainier to go after him, he just mad thou

ll_eric_ll
07-18-2013, 06:02 PM
Would you rather have Dwight, or Jose Calderon + Monta Ellis? I'd rather have Dwight for basically the same the money.

If I had a choice, If Mark Cuban had a choice, i think we would both go for the "Sexy" Pick in Howard. But, that option wasnt as available as Cuban was hoping. So When you ask an owner like Mark Cuban for his take on the way things turned out.. I have no problem with him looking into the future, looking at the multiple players he was able to sign, and be optimistic about our current situaccion, compared to having all tha $$ locked in with one player that is a liability at the end of games because of his horrendouz free throw history. But i think it was made clear that Howard was the Mavs "Plan A", but not getting him, is not the end of the world... lol

ragee
07-18-2013, 06:11 PM
I think the team that we have now is a decent plan B but I will not say that we are better off without Dwight.

ll_eric_ll
07-18-2013, 06:18 PM
Dwight is better than the entire Mavs team combine so it was no brainier to go after him, he just mad thou

If Dwight is so great, how come he has no Rings?? Dirk has more rings than Howard, Harden, J Linn, Ashik, Parsons,.. Combined so,... Lol

D-Leethal
07-18-2013, 06:19 PM
If you feel the need to make headlines like that (which Cube is smart enough to know), its probably not true. Cube would trade those 3 for Dwight tomorrow if he could, and hes smart enough to know that vets would come knocking for cheap if he landed Dwight to pair with Dirk.

ragee
07-18-2013, 06:21 PM
DWIGHT is better than than the entire MAV'S frontcourt combined, or at worst equal, he cant shoot or score like DIRK but he does everything else miles better than DIRK plus he can get you 20-24ppg

Really? Does he have better handles than Dirk? Can he handle double teams better than Dirk? Can he pass better than Dirk? Sure he can put up 20+ppg but can he do that consistently and effeciently when the defense focuses on him like how Dirk does? Is he more clutch than Dirk? Dwight Howard is the best center in the league but to say that he is better than the entire Mavs' frontcourt combined is overreaching.

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2013, 06:25 PM
If Dwight is so great, how come he has no Rings?? Dirk has more rings than Howard, Harden, J Linn, Ashik, Parsons,.. Combined so,... Lol

Durant doesn't have rings, so he isn't great right?

Kevin Love
Chris Paul
Doesn't have rings...

Adam Morrison has more rings than Dirk so he's better right?

jason6692
07-18-2013, 06:45 PM
i see a lot of over-reactors in here cuban attempted so sort of rephrase it
he just meant we have depth at other positions we wouldnt have had if we signed dwight
our pg sg and entire bench would of all been minimum type players, also we would of had to part with vc or marion to sign dwight which woulda reduced our depth as well. and this whole dwight better than our front court what does it matter dwight doesn't have a winning mentality i bet winning wise dirk will have more success. If i remember right on dwights playoff run to the finals hedo was hitting all the big shots dwight is a liability late in games due to his lack of offense and terrible FT shooting

smith&wesson
07-18-2013, 07:21 PM
a few things here.

- harden and howard will do great things in houston for years. in dallas howard would have had the same window as he did with the lakers to win a ship. guys like dirk and kobe have a few years left.

- dallas is trying to re create their championship team. ellis is suppose to take on the role of terry, calderon suppose to take on the role of kidd, dalembert i guess is suppose to take on the role of chandler. problem is the league has improved since dallas won that ship a few years ago. Dont think this formula will work anymore.

- Howard and Cuban would have bumped heads 100% for sure. two huge ego's. dallas was better off building a team around dirk while he can still play rather than bringing in a huge ego in dwight howard who would have clashed with cuban.

koreancabbage
07-18-2013, 07:26 PM
If Dwight is so great, how come he has no Rings?? Dirk has more rings than Howard, Harden, J Linn, Ashik, Parsons,.. Combined so,... Lol

Robert Horry > Dirk is you use that argument. like seriously.

smith&wesson
07-18-2013, 07:26 PM
i see a lot of over-reactors in here cuban attempted so sort of rephrase it
he just meant we have depth at other positions we wouldnt have had if we signed dwight
our pg sg and entire bench would of all been minimum type players, also we would of had to part with vc or marion to sign dwight which woulda reduced our depth as well. and this whole dwight better than our front court what does it matter dwight doesn't have a winning mentality i bet winning wise dirk will have more success. If i remember right on dwights playoff run to the finals hedo was hitting all the big shots dwight is a liability late in games due to his lack of offense and terrible FT shooting

I actually think cuban is right. howard is a great player dont get me wrong. but in order for him to do great things he needs to be happy. god knows what it consist of to make and keep that man happy though. and cuban has an attitude where if he is paying you he expects 100% no excuses.

Munkeysuit
07-18-2013, 07:56 PM
He's def mad right now...

rockets-fan
07-18-2013, 08:02 PM
If Dwight is so great, how come he has no Rings?? Dirk has more rings than Howard, Harden, J Linn, Ashik, Parsons,.. Combined so,... Lol

Hahaha

Riodagoat
07-18-2013, 08:12 PM
Dalembert/Bernard James> Howard

Book it