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LTBaByyy
07-14-2013, 03:47 PM
For everyone saying Mavs break up the title team for just Calderon and Ellis, take another look.

The Mavs will have 38 million coming off the books next offseason:

Dirk 23 mil
Marion 9 mil
Carter 3 mil
Dalembert 3 mil

Dirk has said many times he will take a pay cut as much as he wants next year to make the Mavs a better team

Lets just say he agrees to a 3 year 30 mil ( Garnett, Duncan)

The Mavs will have 28 mil in cap space (24 mil because we can currently sign Brandan Wright for 4 mil a year being over the cap with Early Bird Rights)

So the Mavs will have roughly 24 mil in Cap Space next offseason with Calderon, Ellis, Dirk, Wright, Crowder, Larkin, Ellington, Ledo, Mekel, and Bernard James on the roster

NO IM NOT SAYING LEBRON. I am saying the Mavs will look to throw guys like Demarcus Cousins and Paul George the max to see if their teams has the money to match

Or get 2 or 3 of these guys: Luol Deng, Andrew Bogut, Danny Granger, Larry Sanders, Rudy Gay, Emaka Okafor

So you can say they broke up the title team for Calderon (7 mil) and Ellis (8 mil now, since we couldn't Sign and Trade) when they are actually building assets for the team instead of just Dirk and a bunch of cap space

Hope that gives a interesting read while no no NBA news is coming out

Shareeb_omac2
07-14-2013, 03:59 PM
Stop worrying about what others think about the Mavericks. The Mavs won a championship building teams the way they are right now. They wouldn't have repeated with that roster and it's as simple as that. The Mavs have constantly retooled for the past 10 seasons and always manage to put together a competitive team. Had Dirk not been hurt for a long portion of last season it would have been there 12th season in a row in the playoffs.

The Mavs produced an MVP, 2 finals appearances, and 1 title. Very few users on here can say that about their team. Just leave this alone and let them poop on the Mavs decisions.

True Sports Fan
07-14-2013, 04:00 PM
Dirk will be traded to Houston for Lin/Asik, and other cap fillers

Dallas will become one of the worst teams in the League

Then Marc Cuban will rebrand the Franchise

Do the LT :dance:

Stick to 2K13 Bud

FOXHOUND
07-14-2013, 04:07 PM
I think the past three offseasons have proven one thing: The Mavs can't draw premiere talent in free agency.

2011 offseason - Tried for LeBron and didn't even get into consideration.
2012 offseason - Tried for Deron but ultimately lost out to Brooklyn.
2013 offseason - Tried for Dwight and didn't even get into consideration.

At this rate it really doesn't matter how much cap space the Mavericks have, they're not drawing any big time FAs. Listing RFAs like George and Cousins is a waste of time, as their teams will obviously match any offer.

At this point the Mavs can only add whatever talent they can to make the final years of Dirk's career go as smoothly as possible, then look for a great player in the draft and try to strike gold twice for a Dirk caliber player.

Hellcrooner
07-14-2013, 04:21 PM
I think Calderon, Ellis, Dirk should work on the offensive end just nice.

But unless somehow you can take a time machine and get Rodman and mutombo at their prime to complete the starting five the defense end is going to be complete headeache

IndyRealist
07-14-2013, 04:25 PM
Dallas whiffed this summer, but people need to remember that there is a minimum salary teams are required to have. Ellis I wouldn't have signed, but Calderon was perfectly reasonable to get min salary.

Dallas banked everything on cap space, figuring that free agents will want to come play with Dirk. Obviously that's not what happened. What Houston did differently was that in addition to cap space they stockpiled picks, young players, and stole a couple of restricted free agents from teams unwilling to pay tax. Then they used those assets to land Harden, and they had a winning team, still with cap space. That's why Dwight chose Houston, because they had a winning team already, in addition to being able to sign him. While the Warriors, for instance, were a winning team they lacked the cap space and would have to gut their team in a sign and trade. Dallas had the cap space but their team wasn't winning.

Bostonjorge
07-14-2013, 04:39 PM
So again it's next year for dallas. How many seasons are they going to throw away.

maddBat
07-14-2013, 04:42 PM
the mavs dont look that bad. ill give it 2 u. pass 1st pg w a ball dominating scorer. both have the option to kick out to dirk. they should crack 8th

top 4- sa, okc, la clips, denver// no particular order
then u have 5,6,7 houston, golden state, memphis
fighting for 8 utah mavs la lakers(u cant count them out of the playoffs)

LTBaByyy
07-14-2013, 04:53 PM
I'm excited for this team to be competitive this year like always and a full season of Dirk

I'm just saying we will have 20+ mil in cap space next offseason added to Dirk, Ellis, Calderon, and role players

I want this roster next offseason:

Calderon
Ellis
Deng
Dirk
Sanders

LTBaByyy
07-14-2013, 04:54 PM
So again it's next year for dallas. How many seasons are they going to throw away.

The Mavs won the title 2 years ago, and the Heat won the last 2

Wasn't this be the perfect time to retool? What exactly have we missed out on the last 2 years? Haha The Heat have won the last 2

bgdreton
07-14-2013, 04:57 PM
the mavs dont look that bad. ill give it 2 u. pass 1st pg w a ball dominating scorer. both have the option to kick out to dirk. they should crack 8th

top 4- sa, okc, la clips, denver// no particular order
then u have 5,6,7 houston, golden state, memphis
fighting for 8 utah mavs la lakers(u cant count them out of the playoffs)


There is no way Denver is a top 4 team with everything that happened with there offseason. Plus Houston, G state got better this offseason, and Memphis is better than them as well.

LakersMaster24
07-14-2013, 04:59 PM
Dallas will be fine, no worries.

They have too good of an owner to suck for too long.

YoungOne
07-14-2013, 05:00 PM
still nobody will go there lol

NJrockPD
07-14-2013, 05:00 PM
Bulls Get
Dirk 23 mil
Marion 9 mil
Carter 3 mil

Mavs Get
Deng 15 mil
Boozer 14 mil
Kirk Hinrich 4 mil
2014 2nd round pick
2015 2nd round pick

Mavs still get expiring contracts in 2014 with Deng and Kirk giving them almost 20 mil to either resign Deng or other free agents. Then they get Boozer's 16 mil expiring contract in 2015. The Mavs get some talented players in return for their elderly stars, they get 15 years younger, and draft picks for the future.

Bulls get Dirk to compliment Rose, Marion to replace Deng, and Carter to score off the bench. Plus they get almost 35 mil next off-season to make a run at Lebron or Melo.

jason6692
07-14-2013, 05:12 PM
Stop it your delusional ^

LTBaByyy
07-14-2013, 05:16 PM
still nobody will go there lol

Who will go to Boston, y'all are rebuilding we are retooling

When have the Mavs ever had another All Star besides Dirk IN HIS PRIME the last 10 years?

We will be fine. And we still had one of the longest 50 win streak and playoff streaks

We will be fine. Don't underestimate Carlisle

Guppyfighter
07-14-2013, 05:20 PM
Who will go to Boston, y'all are rebuilding we are retooling

When have the Mavs ever had another All Star besides Dirk IN HIS PRIME the last 10 years?

We will be fine. And we still had one of the longest 50 win streak and playoff streaks

We will be fine. Don't underestimate Carlisle

You guys are going to be bad next year.

topdog
07-14-2013, 05:30 PM
The issue I have with Dallas is the way they acted like the draft was some sort of disease the last two years because they wanted to maximize their cap. Dirk is getting old and the team needs something more than just him and money to draw free agents.

As for George and other guys coming off their rookie contracts, there will most definitely be a match unless Dallas targets a Rashard Lewis and decides to buy him diamond pants.

sunsfan88
07-14-2013, 05:30 PM
So again it's next year for dallas. How many seasons are they going to throw away.
Exactly. Dallas keeps saving up cap space but for what exactly?

They went after Deron he said no. They went after Dwight he said no. They went after Igoudala he said no. They went after Bynum he said no.

YoungOne
07-14-2013, 05:31 PM
Who will go to Boston, y'all are rebuilding we are retooling

When have the Mavs ever had another All Star besides Dirk IN HIS PRIME the last 10 years?

We will be fine. And we still had one of the longest 50 win streak and playoff streaks

We will be fine. Don't underestimate Carlisle

retooling with ellis and calderon!?

STL Don
07-14-2013, 05:36 PM
I wouldnt sleep on the Mavs.
Calderon/Harris/Larkin is a very solid backcourt. Expect a lot of playmaking with scorers like Ellis, Carter and Nowitzki. Crowder + Marion make up somewhat for the lack of defence in the backcourt.
If Dirk stays healthy & Ellis has a bounce back season..expect to see them in the playoffs.

Tanakid777
07-14-2013, 05:37 PM
winner winner

True Sports Fan
07-14-2013, 05:38 PM
Bulls Get
Dirk 23 mil
Marion 9 mil
Carter 3 mil

Mavs Get
Deng 15 mil
Boozer 14 mil
Kirk Hinrich 4 mil
2014 2nd round pick
2015 2nd round pick

Mavs still get expiring contracts in 2014 with Deng and Kirk giving them almost 20 mil to either resign Deng or other free agents. Then they get Boozer's 16 mil expiring contract in 2015. The Mavs get some talented players in return for their elderly stars, they get 15 years younger, and draft picks for the future.

Bulls get Dirk to compliment Rose, Marion to replace Deng, and Carter to score off the bench. Plus they get almost 35 mil next off-season to make a run at Lebron or Melo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

juggla53
07-14-2013, 05:44 PM
For everyone saying Mavs break up the title team for just Calderon and Ellis, take another look.

The Mavs will have 38 million coming off the books next offseason:

Dirk 23 mil
Marion 9 mil
Carter 3 mil
Dalembert 3 mil

Dirk has said many times he will take a pay cut as much as he wants next year to make the Mavs a better team

Lets just say he agrees to a 3 year 30 mil ( Garnett, Duncan)

The Mavs will have 28 mil in cap space (24 mil because we can currently sign Brandan Wright for 4 mil a year being over the cap with Early Bird Rights)

So the Mavs will have roughly 24 mil in Cap Space next offseason with Calderon, Ellis, Dirk, Wright, Crowder, Larkin, Ellington, Ledo, Mekel, and Bernard James on the roster

NO IM NOT SAYING LEBRON. I am saying the Mavs will look to throw guys like Demarcus Cousins and Paul George the max to see if their teams has the money to match

Or get 2 or 3 of these guys: Luol Deng, Andrew Bogut, Danny Granger, Larry Sanders, Rudy Gay, Emaka Okafor

So you can say they broke up the title team for Calderon (7 mil) and Ellis (8 mil now, since we couldn't Sign and Trade) when they are actually building assets for the team instead of just Dirk and a bunch of cap space

Hope that gives a interesting read while no no NBA news is coming out

The mavs have a zero chance of ever getting Paul George atleast within the next 5-7 years, cousins could be a different story depending on how he acts this year whether or not the kings want to pay him all that money.

Signing ellis and calderon (who i think got to many years) gives them a shot at getting back to the playoffs as either the 7th or 8th seed however you now have a starting backcourt that doesnt play a lick of defense

Guppyfighter
07-14-2013, 05:45 PM
Imagine how good their guard defense will be.

Tanakid777
07-14-2013, 05:58 PM
Really wish we'd have kept Olynyk

John Walls Era
07-14-2013, 06:17 PM
A lot of wishful thinking, so I'll just :dance:

AddiX
07-14-2013, 06:18 PM
The only person who likes what the Mavs have done is Mike D.

NJrockPD
07-14-2013, 06:52 PM
Stop it your delusional ^



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

No disrespect guys, but that doesn't say anything? I don't even know which side you think it's unfair for and why.

phoenix_bladen
07-14-2013, 07:03 PM
Mavs would have been more attractive to free agents had dirk been in his prime or alot younger

But outside of an older dirk there isn't much to be attracted to.

I understand why Howard would choose Houston as he has harden whom is young and he can grow with and the rest of the roster is relatively young and upcoming as well.

No brainer move really

Ppl dont want to play with a soon over the hill dirk

THE MTL
07-14-2013, 07:11 PM
For everyone saying Mavs break up the title team for just Calderon and Ellis, take another look.

The Mavs will have 38 million coming off the books next offseason:

Dirk 23 mil
Marion 9 mil
Carter 3 mil
Dalembert 3 mil

Dirk has said many times he will take a pay cut as much as he wants next year to make the Mavs a better team

Lets just say he agrees to a 3 year 30 mil ( Garnett, Duncan)

The Mavs will have 28 mil in cap space (24 mil because we can currently sign Brandan Wright for 4 mil a year being over the cap with Early Bird Rights)

So the Mavs will have roughly 24 mil in Cap Space next offseason with Calderon, Ellis, Dirk, Wright, Crowder, Larkin, Ellington, Ledo, Mekel, and Bernard James on the roster

NO IM NOT SAYING LEBRON. I am saying the Mavs will look to throw guys like Demarcus Cousins and Paul George the max to see if their teams has the money to match

Or get 2 or 3 of these guys: Luol Deng, Andrew Bogut, Danny Granger, Larry Sanders, Rudy Gay, Emaka Okafor

So you can say they broke up the title team for Calderon (7 mil) and Ellis (8 mil now, since we couldn't Sign and Trade) when they are actually building assets for the team instead of just Dirk and a bunch of cap space

Hope that gives a interesting read while no no NBA news is coming out

LMAO @ a Dallas fan talking about free agency....

Havent you learned from the past 3 offseasons that free agency isnt the way to go for Dallas? I mean you guys couldn't any major free agents and you just came off of a title and Dirk was 33. Now the title is a few more years removed, the core is gone, and Dirk is 35 years old. This should be a lesson to NEVER EVER break up a championship roster. If it aint broke, dont try to fix it!!!

Now follow this analogy, "The nail wasn't in the board all the way (in terms of ur team), but it still held everything together (championship). You took a hammer to try to get the nail completely in the board (free agency), and you ended up breaking the whole board (your team now sucks)"

AddiX
07-14-2013, 07:18 PM
LMAO @ a Dallas fan talking about free agency....

Havent you learned from the past 3 offseasons that free agency isnt the way to go for Dallas? I mean you guys couldn't any major free agents and you just came off of a title and Dirk was 33. Now the title is a few more years removed, the core is gone, and Dirk is 35 years old. This should be a lesson to NEVER EVER break up a championship roster. If it aint broke, dont try to fix it!!!

Now follow this analogy, "The nail wasn't in the board all the way (in terms of ur team), but it still held everything together (championship). You took a hammer to try to get the nail completely in the board (free agency), and you ended up breaking the whole board (your team now sucks)"

Mavs fans still think this is the mavs franchise of old, they threw that away when they let chandler go.

Mavs are beginning to look like the wolves, the wolves this year finally realized what players they can and cannot have and what it cost to get them. In years past, and what seemed to be forever, they thought they could get the players they wanted, and at fair prices none the less. Now they accepted the truth.

Mavs and there fans don't seem to ready to accept the facts yet.

lajoie
07-14-2013, 07:20 PM
Free up cap space to sign dwight howard, chris paul and deron williams

End up with jose calderon and monta ellis

Epic fail

JNA17
07-14-2013, 07:23 PM
Yeah your team will have cap space like this year and last year, except for one tiny problem...no superstar wants to play for the Mavs.

If this offseason, last year, the year before were any indication, its that the superstar players that the Mavs attempt to go after don't want to play there. At this point, I don't see how having cap space for the mavs matters anymore unless they also had young future all stars on their team.

bholly
07-14-2013, 08:50 PM
Dallas whiffed this summer, but people need to remember that there is a minimum salary teams are required to have. Ellis I wouldn't have signed, but Calderon was perfectly reasonable to get min salary.

No there isn't. There's a minimum payroll amount that teams need to pay throughout the season. You can have as little committed salary as you like, you just have to give your players a bonus at the end of the season to get up to the level. You aren't ever required to sign new contracts for more money.

Shareeb_omac2
07-15-2013, 03:24 AM
Exactly. Dallas keeps saving up cap space but for what exactly?

They went after Deron he said no. They went after Dwight he said no. They went after Igoudala he said no. They went after Bynum he said no.
Iggy actually said yes then within the next few hours got a better offer from the Warriors. Mavs didn't even offer Bynum a contract because of his knees.

You should pay a little bit better attention to the NBA if you are going to talk basketball.

Shareeb_omac2
07-15-2013, 03:27 AM
Kind of funny that everyone is running with this "no one wants to play for Dallas idea" yet all these players DID want to play for Dallas. That's why they all considered Dallas and put them on their short list lol. Makes no sense. Out of all the teams in the NBA, Dallas was the only team Dwight, Deron, Bynum, and Iggy all considered.

Denver-boy
07-15-2013, 04:00 AM
Mavs lol forgot about them.... man Dirk needs to get traded somewhere, its dead in dallas.

sunsfan88
07-15-2013, 04:49 AM
Iggy actually said yes then within the next few hours got a better offer from the Warriors. Mavs didn't even offer Bynum a contract because of his knees.

You should pay a little bit better attention to the NBA if you are going to talk basketball.

Yea and teams are gonna continue to give better offers to players than Dallas cause they have nothing to offer than a 35 year old Dirk who will be washed up in a season or two.

sunsfan88
07-15-2013, 04:56 AM
Out of all the teams in the NBA, Dallas was the only team Dwight, Deron, Bynum, and Iggy all considered.

Didn't Dwight also consider the Hawks, Warriors and Lakers? Didn't Bynum also consider the Hawks? Didn't Igoudala consider the Kings, Nuggets and Pistons also?

Seems to me like you are the who should pay a little better attention to the NBA ;)

Shareeb_omac2
07-15-2013, 10:43 AM
Didn't Dwight also consider the Hawks, Warriors and Lakers? Didn't Bynum also consider the Hawks? Didn't Igoudala consider the Kings, Nuggets and Pistons also?

Seems to me like you are the who should pay a little better attention to the NBA ;)
Or you could develope better interpretation skills and realize that The Mavs were the only team that ALL of those guys considered. The Mavs were the common denominator.

jason6692
07-15-2013, 10:55 AM
That's not a good move for Dallas
They wouldn't give up Dirk just like that plus a good trade asset in Marion just for deng and exprings and bad contracts and receive no draft picks in return it's not worth it and Dirk is never being traded

jason6692
07-15-2013, 11:03 AM
Everyone is talking like superstars go to their team
Most of them have stood with their respective team besides Dwight all of ya teams have had no success recently so for you fans of terrible teams to judge is ridiculous the mavs usually prove everyone wrong every year it's basically bound to happen again and the same ones who were talking will act like they never insulted the mavs in the off season

NJrockPD
07-15-2013, 11:35 AM
That's not a good move for Dallas
They wouldn't give up Dirk just like that plus a good trade asset in Marion just for deng and exprings and bad contracts and receive no draft picks in return it's not worth it and Dirk is never being traded

Two second round picks. I figured that all three players are just a one year lease. Even if chicago wanted to re-sign Dirk, Marion, or Carter all three could retire at any time they are all 35+ years old.

smith&wesson
07-15-2013, 12:00 PM
imo Calderon, Ellis, dirk can work out pretty nice.

Stinkyoutsider
07-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Feel kind of bad for Dirk at this point but he does have a title to fall back on...

I think the Mavs will need to be in the top 4 or 5 for any superstar player to come and sign with them? I think they can get a star or 2 though because Cuban will want to spend for it.

The Mavs haven't had the best of luck with the top FAs out there (Howard this year for example) but I think the Mavs have a solid organization, Dallas is a great place to live imo, and there's a possibility for any superstar who signs there to create their own legacy (after Dirk leaves).

If they're not able to land any star quality talent next offseason, I would look into moving Dirk like the Celtics moved Garnett and Pierce. But, the difference in that situation is, it works out for the Celtics because the fans will want to come and see Rondo still. Other than Dirk, who would the fans want to come to the arena to see. Ellis?

TrueFan420
07-15-2013, 05:44 PM
Feel kind of bad for Dirk at this point but he does have a title to fall back on...

I think the Mavs will need to be in the top 4 or 5 for any superstar player to come and sign with them? I think they can get a star or 2 though because Cuban will want to spend for it.

The Mavs haven't had the best of luck with the top FAs out there (Howard this year for example) but I think the Mavs have a solid organization, Dallas is a great place to live imo, and there's a possibility for any superstar who signs there to create their own legacy (after Dirk leaves).

If they're not able to land any star quality talent next offseason, I would look into moving Dirk like the Celtics moved Garnett and Pierce. But, the difference in that situation is, it works out for the Celtics because the fans will want to come and see Rondo still. Other than Dirk, who would the fans want to come to the arena to see. Ellis?
I'm not a Dallas fan but I think dirk means to much to them for them to just ship him out to rebuild even if its to a title team

GiantsSwaGG
07-15-2013, 06:29 PM
A lot of wishful thinking, so I'll just :dance:

I'm mad he did the LT on them hoes

rocket
07-15-2013, 06:39 PM
Title team? :laugh2: