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Gators123
07-12-2013, 03:36 PM
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SteBO
07-12-2013, 03:38 PM
This is the result of swinging big and lacking a plan B should the haymaker not connect.....that said, I dunno if this is as bad a deal as some might make it out to be.

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 03:38 PM
Harris, Calderon, Ellis, Larkin...jeez...

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 03:39 PM
Good for Mavs.

And for Kings, now we don't have to worry about overpaying him :D

AddiX
07-12-2013, 03:39 PM
Ellis is then guy you bring in when you basically have no options, no plans, and no idea WTF to do.

Yet he's still one of my favorite players to watch.

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
:dance:

Had me scared for a minute

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
This is the result of swinging big and lacking a plan B should the haymaker not connect.....that said, I dunno if this is as bad a deal as some might make it out to be.

10M isn't terribly bad.

Calderon / Harris / Larkin
Ellis / VC
Crowder / Marion
Dirk / ?
? / ?

Still has some holes to fill though

SteBO
07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
Monta, Calderon, Ellis, Larkin...jeez...
And they lost Brand & Kaman.....talk about SMALL.

still1ballin
07-12-2013, 03:41 PM
:Dance:

Had me scared for a minute

:dance:

Do the LT

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 03:42 PM
I loved him on GSW from like 2008-10

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 03:42 PM
Calderon/Harris/Larkin
Ellis/Carter/Ellington
Marion/Crowder/Ledo
Dirk/Brand
Dalembert/Wright/Bernard James

Will be the final roster

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 03:42 PM
And they lost Brand & Kaman.....talk about SMALL.

Good thing they are prob signing Sam Dalembert....LOL

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 03:43 PM
Calderon/Harris/Larkin
Ellis/Carter/Ellington
Marion/Crowder/Ledo
Dirk/Brand
Dalembert/Wright/Bernard James

Will be the final roster

Where do they rank in the West? I'm thinking 10 seed or so.

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 03:44 PM
Where do they rank in the West? I'm thinking 10 seed or so.

Rank them better then the Lakers :shrug:

I think that team can slide in 8th, 7th seed. I mean they were pretty close to reaching the playoffs and Dirk was out a good portion of the season iirc

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 03:44 PM
Brand & Wright are coming back to Mavs. They are waiting for us to make big moves. They both said they have Mavs at the top AFTER free agency started

AddiX
07-12-2013, 03:45 PM
In montas mind, dirk is there to make his job as the lead scorer easier.

asandhu23
07-12-2013, 03:45 PM
Apparently, its a done deal now via ESPN twitter.

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 03:47 PM
At best they're an 8 seed....For arguments sake lets assume most teams are close to 100%

1. OKC
2. SAS
3. LAC
4. HOU
5. GSW
6. MEM
7. MIN
8. POR
9. DEN
10. LAL/DAL

Federal Reserve
07-12-2013, 03:48 PM
The Mavs just went from a bad team to a mediocre team.

abe_froman
07-12-2013, 03:50 PM
so the mav are the ones left holding the bag lol

rockets-fan
07-12-2013, 03:50 PM
Man their guard spots are loaded, do they plan on having a center?

Bang Bros89
07-12-2013, 03:51 PM
Mark Cuban was the owner preaching how important cap space is in the new NBA... 2 years later he builds the shittiest team money could buy.

Why sign players like Calderon, Ellis to long term deals with the free agents available next year? They have so little flexibility, and next yr is supposed to be the best free agency crop possibly ever. Mavs should've just kept that title team intact, because its all gone down hill since.

THE MTL
07-12-2013, 03:51 PM
So they broke up a championship roster to ultimately pay monta ellis 10 million per year. Smh. Thats sad how hard the mighty have fallen

29$JerZ
07-12-2013, 03:52 PM
That's such a downgrade.

So what is their rotation now?
Calderon/Ellis/Marion/Dirk/Dalembert?

That sounds like one of those teams that gets created on PSD during the Re-Drafts.

rangersfan
07-12-2013, 03:52 PM
Brand & Wright are coming back to Mavs. They are waiting for us to make big moves. They both said they have Mavs at the top AFTER free agency started

How can DAL afford to sign Dalembert now who they desperately need for D and rebounding and shot-blocking in the middle? As for Brand and/or Wright now, how also? Bird Rights? MLE?

And Calderon-Ellis might be the absolute worst defensive backcourt combo in the NBA. You thought Collison-Mayo was bad, watch these guys.

RLundi
07-12-2013, 03:53 PM
I don't hate it. But let's see how they fill out the rest of the roster.

gatkins11
07-12-2013, 03:57 PM
I don't hate it. But let's see how they fill out the rest of the roster.

Yep.

IgglesFanInCO
07-12-2013, 03:57 PM
At best they're an 8 seed....For arguments sake lets assume most teams are close to 100%

1. OKC
2. SAS
3. LAC
4. HOU
5. GSW
6. MEM
7. MIN
8. POR
9. DEN
10. LAL/DAL

Youre putting Min and Por over the nuggets?

sweet, i'm happy to be the underdog again, cant wait for people to feel stupid for underestimating the nuggets like always

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 04:00 PM
Only because you lost your GM, G. Karl, Iggy, Brewer and Gallinari is out till Feb prob. I like what Portland did this summer and Minny is due for a healthy season

Stunner
07-12-2013, 04:01 PM
I think Brand becomes a Bull and Wright and Sameuel goes to Dallas

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 04:01 PM
How can DAL afford to sign Dalembert now who they desperately need for D and rebounding and shot-blocking in the middle? As for Brand and/or Wright now, how also? Bird Rights? MLE?

And Calderon-Ellis might be the absolute worst defensive backcourt combo in the NBA. You thought Collison-Mayo was bad, watch these guys.

Mayo/Bernard James for Ellis/ Dalembert sign and trade is what is being reported

asandhu23
07-12-2013, 04:02 PM
I don't think they are done trading yet.

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 04:04 PM
Over the last 7 seasons, only Kobe and Dwyane Wade have scored more pts from the SG position than Monta Ellis.

:dance:

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 04:05 PM
Calderon and Rick Carlisle will make him more efficient too

Instead of Brandon Jennings as the Pg

bleedprple&gold
07-12-2013, 04:07 PM
Ellis and Calderon are gonna get torched on D every night

OceanSpray
07-12-2013, 04:10 PM
Horrible move by Mavs.. Calderon+Ellis, no defense.. You got a huge ballhog in Ellis.

AddiX
07-12-2013, 04:10 PM
Who is going to do anything else besides shoot on this team?

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 04:11 PM
Calderon and Rick Carlisle will make him more efficient too

Instead of Brandon Jennings as the Pg

Idk, I kinda would rather have a young 23 year old Jennings. But I'm a Jennings fan so I'm bias

2-ONE-5
07-12-2013, 04:11 PM
Youre putting Min and Por over the nuggets?

sweet, i'm happy to be the underdog again, cant wait for people to feel stupid for underestimating the nuggets like always

they are both better then Denver right now. Minny was looking like a playoff team before all the injuries and Portland had one of the best starting 5's and now finally has a strong bench.

heyman321
07-12-2013, 04:12 PM
brand aint coming back

MonroeFAN
07-12-2013, 04:15 PM
what a crappy roster

gatkins11
07-12-2013, 04:16 PM
I don't think they are done trading yet.

I hope they're not.

colinskik
07-12-2013, 04:17 PM
Seems like a desperation signing.

Losoway
07-12-2013, 04:19 PM
terrible decision by mavs. i love monta but come on they should have just waited to next year .

Jarvo
07-12-2013, 04:19 PM
Montaaaaa :clap: I wanted him on The Spurs though smh idk why people talk so down on him though.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:23 PM
Monta, Calderon, Ellis, Larkin...jeez...

Nice way of making 1 into 2. Larkin can back up either. Very intriguing move to say the least, but they're dying for some size and need to lock dalembert and a couple of others to have a chance at the playoffs.

dalton749
07-12-2013, 04:23 PM
awful team is awful

LeonFSU
07-12-2013, 04:24 PM
This team desperately needs to make a trade for a starting C if they can and they should start with Varejao. Dalembert is horrible; he won't cut it.

UPRock
07-12-2013, 04:25 PM
And another guard for Dallas...wow.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:25 PM
Calderon and Rick Carlisle will make him more efficient too

Instead of Brandon Jennings as the Pg

Definitely, he's never played with a pass-first pg before so I think basketball wise this is a solid transaction.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-12-2013, 04:25 PM
yikes

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 04:26 PM
Nice way of making 1 into 2. Larkin can back up either. Very intriguing move to say the least, but they're dying for some size and need to lock dalembert and a couple of others to have a chance at the playoffs.

LOL my bad meant Devin Harris

MonroeFAN
07-12-2013, 04:27 PM
Definitely, he's never played with a pass-first pg before so I think basketball wise this is a solid transaction.

Calderon is not a pass first point guard. He is a succubus. He only gives off the illusion of being a good unselfish player. You will sour on his song and dance 10-20 games into the season.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:28 PM
And another guard for Dallas...wow.

Wow you guys act like they were loaded at that position. They just had calderon, and larkin isnt even a sure bet backing him up yet. They needed another proven ball handler and scorer.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:28 PM
LOL my bad meant Devin Harris

Lol, hey I guess it worked out for the both of us because I forgot about Harris!

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 04:30 PM
Monta to Mavs!!!

We were what??, a couple of wins away last year from macking the post season, without Dirk for a 3rd of our games?? This should put Us about middle on the pack 4-6 seed in the playoffs, one center away from contending for the West...##HatersGonHate Bwuahahahaha!!!!

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:32 PM
Calderon is not a pass first point guard. He is a succubus. He only gives off the illusion of being a good unselfish player. You will sour on his song and dance 10-20 games into the season.

lol. Still a better compliment than jennings.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:33 PM
Mavs should definitely offer Marion's expiring, draft picks for Verajao now. That should keep them afloat.

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 04:36 PM
Trade one of these(Marion, VC, Sarge, D. Harris) for a Center,.. AKA Verejao, Boggie Cousinz,.. anybody but f---ing dalambert,.. allthough, ill take him in a backup role :D## LAKERSTANKINGLOL

jason6692
07-12-2013, 04:36 PM
Not a bad signing Dirk needs another proven scorer behind him we had no choice now we just need a above average center and back up to lock up the middle and see if MWP can be a slight possibility

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:38 PM
LOL my bad meant Devin Harris

Forgot to mention they also have Gal Mekel as well! Wow, now we can say they have way too many pg's.

dalton749
07-12-2013, 04:39 PM
Monta to Mavs!!!

We were what??, a couple of wins away last year from macking the post season, without Dirk for a 3rd of our games?? This should put Us about middle on the pack 4-6 seed in the playoffs, one center away from contending for the West...##HatersGonHate Bwuahahahaha!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA no

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:40 PM
Mavs need to go hard after Verajao, they still have an asset in an expiring contract. Greg Oden is still in the picture as well.

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 04:42 PM
Trade one of these(Marion, VC, Sarge, D. Harris) for a Center,.. AKA Verejao, Boggie Cousinz,.. anybody but f---ing dalambert,.. allthough, ill take him in a backup role :D## LAKERSTANKINGLOL

You aren't getting Cousins for anyone on your roster... Let alone one of those players.

scissors
07-12-2013, 04:43 PM
Kill me

abe_froman
07-12-2013, 04:45 PM
Mavs need to go hard after Verajao, they still have an asset in an expiring contract. Greg Oden is still in the picture as well.

why would the cavs trade him? bynum is no guarantee to be healthy

king4day
07-12-2013, 04:46 PM
I like this for the Mavs. I don't think they are title contenders but they are filling in the blanks nicely. He and Calderon should be enough to get them back into the playoffs.

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 04:46 PM
hahahahaha no
HAJAHAJA YEAH!!! Dirk is still young enough to be a contributer, got a scoring SG in Ellis, Great distributor in Calderon... You forget That The Mavs are not one of these, 3 Super Stars type of teams, we have a great center piece in Dirk, and a Great system/coach,.. And we all know how stubborn Cuban is!! we aint done dealing yet!!

Nats_vcu-Okc35
07-12-2013, 04:47 PM
Surprised the mavs arent going after more of the bucks big men. They have a serious surplus, and need to get rid of at least one of those PF/Cs.

I'll say this, about Monta in terms of the Mavs. To me, he is better than Mayo, and despite the likely defensive difficulties, is in the best situation in terms of Calderon, and Dirk, in his career. All of them are mid to high caliber passers, and both Monta and Dirk rebound well. If they can get him for under 30 mil, they will get a motivated monta, who was never a huge fan of his situation in Milwaukee.

They gotta get a center though.

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 04:53 PM
Haters gonna hate!

Calderon > Collison
Ellis > Mayo

Super.
07-12-2013, 04:55 PM
why would the cavs trade him? bynum is no guarantee to be healthy

Neither is AV!

kblo247
07-12-2013, 04:56 PM
Dirk is leaving this summer if not at the deadline lol. They signed Monta. They used all their cap on Monta, Calderon, and Harris LMFAO after telling him wait for Dwight and Deron and breaking up a title team that wasn't even allowed to defend it.

kblo247
07-12-2013, 04:56 PM
Haters gonna hate!

Calderon > Collison
Ellis > Mayo

On O yep, on D I feel for you

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:57 PM
Haters gonna hate!

Calderon > Collison
Ellis > Mayo

Definitely, and its not even close. Big time upgrade in the backcourt. Get a solid big and Mavs should be pretty good in the playoffs.

Knick_Fever
07-12-2013, 04:58 PM
I guess this must mean Jennings will go to the Hawks? Everything seems to be falling into place rather nicely.

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 05:00 PM
I guess this must mean Jennings will go to the Hawks? Everything seems to be falling into place rather nicely.

Ehh I tend to think ATL will now match Bucks offer sheet to Teague.

shep33
07-12-2013, 05:04 PM
Nobody wants Jennings lol

bleedprple&gold
07-12-2013, 05:04 PM
He was pretty much plan D:

Plan A: Dwight
Plan B: CP3
Plan C: Bynum and any other big-name FA left
Plan D: Last big-name FA available that nobody else is willing to pay big money (a.k.a. Ellis)

kblo247
07-12-2013, 05:05 PM
Do the mavs have space to bid on MWP? They can use him on 4s and slide Diek down. He banged with 4s well while Pau and Hill were hurt. He and Marion could play together and switch on D with Marion tracking athletic guys and Metta on bruisers. They need an enforcer

jmoney85
07-12-2013, 05:05 PM
mavs are trash lol

kblo247
07-12-2013, 05:07 PM
Nobody wants Jennings lol

LMFAO!

Kings haven't made an overture even. I guess he may go to Atlanta for Teague.

To be blunt Jennings reminds me so much of Van Exel. If he got in a spot like Nick did in Dallas for say an OKC as the bench scorer and 6th man chucker he would look better.

ElChinoLatino
07-12-2013, 05:07 PM
Monta to Mavs!!!

We were what??, a couple of wins away last year from macking the post season, without Dirk for a 3rd of our games?? This should put Us about middle on the pack 4-6 seed in the playoffs, one center away from contending for the West...##HatersGonHate Bwuahahahaha!!!!

Dude, relax. Let them play first.

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 05:14 PM
Dirk is leaving this summer if not at the deadline lol. They signed Monta. They used all their cap on Monta, Calderon, and Harris LMFAO after telling him wait for Dwight and Deron and breaking up a title team that wasn't even allowed to defend it.

Didnt Dirk make it clear that it wasnt Dwight or bust,... you know, it's the beauty of having a Superstar that is willing to sacrifise for the better of the franchise, o that right you dont know!! lol

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 05:18 PM
Dude, relax. Let them play first.

Relaxx??,.. chinolatino,.. this is the light at the end of the tunnel moment for me lol,.. let me be excited, DUDE..

ElChinoLatino
07-12-2013, 05:21 PM
Relaxx??,.. chinolatino,.. this is the light at the end of the tunnel moment for me lol,.. let me be excited, DUDE..

Let Cubes sign a center THEN we can be excited, depending on the C of course.

lajoie
07-12-2013, 05:25 PM
Free up cap space to sign dwight howard, chris paul and deron williams

Ends up with devin harris, jose calderon and monta ellis

Epic fail

kozelkid
07-12-2013, 05:29 PM
So they broke up a championship roster to ultimately pay monta ellis 10 million per year. Smh. Thats sad how hard the mighty have fallen

Everyone and their mother knew that there wasn't a chance in hell for Dallas to repeat as champs. Therefore, it made perfect sense to gamble on some of the upcoming big names at the time (Deron, CP3, Dwight, etc.) rather than overpay Tyson alongside an aging roster.

It is what it is. The deal for Ellis isn't too bad either under the right coach and a strong veteran roster. Dallas has hope with regards to getting the best out of Monta.

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 05:35 PM
Let Cubes sign a center THEN we can be excited, depending on the C of course.

Is comming,..
But, any trade we do will have to include either Trix or VC, maybe even both.. Come on cubes bring us back to relevance!!! Atleast we finally have a pulse again:D

Guppyfighter
07-12-2013, 05:36 PM
When the Mavericks missed out on Iggy, they decided to go for a similar defensive presence in Monta Ellis.

FOBolous
07-12-2013, 05:36 PM
At best they're an 8 seed....For arguments sake lets assume most teams are close to 100%

1. OKC
2. SAS
3. LAC
4. HOU
5. GSW
6. MEM
7. MIN
8. POR
9. DEN
10. LAL/DAL

looking at all the teams in the West, i realize just how good all Western Conference teams are. seriously, the Eastern Conference is so pathetic it's not even funny. ANY of these teams can go the Eastern Conference and make the playoffs EASILY...including the Pelicans (Jhur Holidays, Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Anthony Davis) who aren't in your list.


Free up cap space to sign dwight howard, chris paul and deron williams

Ends up with devin harris, jose calderon and monta ellis

Epic fail

:laugh:

kblo247
07-12-2013, 05:40 PM
looking at all the teams in the West, i realize just how good all Western Conference teams are. seriously, the Eastern Conference is so pathetic it's not even funny. ANY team of these teams can go the Eastern Conference and make the playoffs EASILY...including the Pelicans (Holiday, Gordon, who aren't listed.its cold blooded but that's been true for 9-10 out west since the millennium basically

ll_eric_ll
07-12-2013, 05:44 PM
Free up cap space to sign dwight howard, chris paul and deron williams

Ends up with devin harris, jose calderon and monta ellis

Epic fail

Your post is an Epic fail, your Sig is an Epic Fail,.. Calling something An Epic Fail, is An Epic Fail lol...

Plus Cubans plan was a good one,.. Good plans sometimes dont pan out as u hope, but you still find ways to come up with plan B's, or C's,.. The Mavs have been a model franchise for the past 10+ years, and Cuban has been spending $ left and right to bring this franchise back from the dead,.. I actually like my owner tacking this type of chance on landing "big fish" free agents, i wouldnt have it any other way,. Dallas Loves Mark Cuban

Jays Claw
07-12-2013, 05:45 PM
Harris, Calderon, Ellis, Larkin...jeez...

Who are all ball dominant guards who NEED the ball in order to make plays/score. Eventually, two of these guys will have to be moved. Oh well... this is what Cuban gets for not having a plan B.

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 05:47 PM
I love our backcourt now!!!!

Calderon/Ellis
Harris/Carter
Larkin/Ellington

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 05:48 PM
Who are all ball dominant guards who NEED the ball in order to make plays/score. Eventually, two of these guys will have to be moved. Oh well... this is what Cuban gets for not having a plan B.

Probably Larkin around the deadline

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 05:48 PM
I love our backcourt now!!!!

Calderon/Ellis
Harris/Carter
Larkin/Ellington

LOL Forgot Dallas signed Ellington to

PleaseBeNice
07-12-2013, 05:49 PM
Im happy that we did not sign him

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 05:53 PM
Im happy that we did not sign him

Yeah you're OK with Thornton and McLemore

dolfan720
07-12-2013, 05:59 PM
Where do they rank in the West? I'm thinking 10 seed or so.

yeah around there anywhere from 9th-13th

GiantsSwaGG
07-12-2013, 06:08 PM
:dance: I'm doing the LT

dolfan720
07-12-2013, 06:10 PM
My projected western conference standings

1) Thunder
2) Clippers
3) Spurs
4) Rockets
5) Warriors
6) Grizzlies
7) Timberwolves
8) Nuggets
9) Pelicans
10) Blazers
11) Lakers
12) Mavs
13) Kings
14) Jazz
15) Suns

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 06:24 PM
So happy!!!

He will be much more efficient with Carlisle coaching him

And having Calderon and Dirk is perfect compliment to his playing style!

:dance: is back!!!!

tredigs
07-12-2013, 06:29 PM
So happy!!!

He will be much more efficient with Carlisle coaching him

And having Calderon and Dirk is perfect compliment to his playing style!

:dance: is back!!!!

Guard D will be ugly, maybe really ugly. But offensively they should be fun. I'll pay to watch Dirk/Monta when they come to town.

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 06:29 PM
People forgot Dirk missed 30-40 games

Mike James was our starting PG last year

We finished 4 games behind Rockets out of playoffs

Can't wait for next season! :dance:

tredigs
07-12-2013, 06:33 PM
Good Grantland story on Monta's path if you guys haven't read it: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9186861/the-life-career-milwaukee-bucks-guard-monta-ellis

GMpunk
07-12-2013, 06:55 PM
i dont like short SGs.... they 2 much of a defense liability

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 07:21 PM
My projected western conference standings

1) Thunder
2) Clippers
3) Spurs
4) Rockets
5) Warriors
6) Grizzlies
7) Timberwolves
8) Nuggets
9) Pelicans
10) Blazers
11) Lakers
12) Mavs
13) Kings
14) Jazz
15) Suns

Almost identical to what I have. I have Portland 8, Denver 9, LA 10, NO 11

TrueFan420
07-12-2013, 07:28 PM
Good Grantland story on Monta's path if you guys haven't read it: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9186861/the-life-career-milwaukee-bucks-guard-monta-ellis

Very good read.


One thing I find funny tho is....

"They said I'm not getting traded.' At the bottom of the screen, it comes across again. I'm fitting to go out there and work out for the game. Then Mark Jackson brings me back, he tells me, 'Well, they didn't want me to tell you, but I'm going to be a man and tell you we traded you.' Those were his exact words."

So he finds out from the TV that he's getting traded. Then Mark Jackson says Im going to be a man and tell you you were traded even though they didnt want me to. But he had already found out from the TV.

ricosu4ve20
07-12-2013, 07:55 PM
If he is gonna get paid 30 mil. They should at least offer oden a couple mil lol

jason6692
07-12-2013, 07:58 PM
A toe injury has prompted the Mavericks to scrap their agreement to sign Devin Harris*to a three-year, $9MM deal, tweets Marc Stein of ESPN.com.

One less small guard and more cap space

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 08:16 PM
@ESPNSteinLine: All indications point to Mavs signing Monta Ellis to three-year deal worth $25+ mil with their remaining cap space. NOT via S-and-T w/Bucks

Getting Ellis at 8.3 mil is a steal, I don't care what anyone says

:dance:

TheNumber37
07-12-2013, 08:18 PM
10 mil for a guy who is SUPPOSED to be a 6th man. Overpay, I say they trade him by next Summer.

xxplayerxx23
07-12-2013, 08:26 PM
Bold prediction: Mavs make the playoffs next year,

Guppyfighter
07-12-2013, 08:30 PM
Bold prediction: Mavs make the playoffs next year,

Yeah, I am really excited to see the defensive presence of Ellis and Calderon.


You are high if you think they make the playoffs.

TrueFan420
07-12-2013, 08:41 PM
Yeah, I am really excited to see the defensive presence of Ellis and Calderon.


You are high if you think they make the playoffs.
With a healthy dirk and a defensive presence at center they might be able to they were close last year and dirk was gone most of the season.

TrueFan420
07-12-2013, 08:41 PM
10 mil for a guy who is SUPPOSED to be a 6th man. Overpay, I say they trade him by next Summer.i think their signing him to start at 2gaurd

TrueFan420
07-12-2013, 08:42 PM
@ESPNSteinLine: All indications point to Mavs signing Monta Ellis to three-year deal worth $25+ mil with their remaining cap space. NOT via S-and-T w/Bucks

Getting Ellis at 8.3 mil is a steal, I don't care what anyone says

:dance:
Now what you guys need badly is a defensive, rebounding center

LTBaByyy
07-12-2013, 08:43 PM
The Mavs have always exceeded other fan bases expectations so I'm not worried

Dirk being healthy for a whole season hasn't missed the playoffs since his first 2 years.

I'm excited :dance:

TrueFan420
07-12-2013, 08:59 PM
Now what you guys need badly is a defensive, rebounding center

I fail to see how Bogut doesn't fit that description.

Guppyfighter
07-12-2013, 09:07 PM
The Mavs have always exceeded other fan bases expectations so I'm not worried

Dirk being healthy for a whole season hasn't missed the playoffs since his first 2 years.

I'm excited :dance:

Actually, that's not true. Mavs were underachievers until 2011.

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 09:12 PM
You aren't getting Cousins for anyone on your roster... Let alone one of those players.


Yeah you're OK with Thornton and McLemore

What's wrong with developing McLemore? And Thornton is pretty damn good when he's on

rocketfuel
07-12-2013, 09:16 PM
If the Mavs waited, they probably could have gotten him for cheaper..... teams weren't lining up to offer him those huge numbers.

Ryan328
07-12-2013, 09:18 PM
What's wrong with developing McLemore? And Thornton is pretty damn good when he's on

I was being sincere. I like McLemore a lot

True Sports Fan
07-12-2013, 10:53 PM
I was being sincere. I like McLemore a lot

Oh okay, must've misread. Think he can really turn out well, but time will tell.

Ebbs
07-12-2013, 11:14 PM
probably terrible signing but at least I think will be an 8 seed.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
07-13-2013, 12:13 AM
I wish mavs could have gotten al Jefferson at least ...

Calderon
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Jefferson

Would have been a fun team to watch

Ryan328
07-13-2013, 02:06 AM
I wish mavs could have gotten al Jefferson at least ...

Calderon
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Jefferson

Would have been a fun team to watch

Totally agree

AnthonyTyrael
07-13-2013, 10:35 AM
I wish mavs could have gotten al Jefferson at least ...

Calderon
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Jefferson

Would have been a fun team to watch

Why? 'Cause it's a one man show on defense, with methuselah being the anchor?

TrueFan420
07-13-2013, 10:52 AM
.

Dude seriously every time I scroll through a thread ive posted in and see your posts I have to double take the name to see if it was me.

6cadi6
07-13-2013, 11:36 AM
:around-the-world:

D-Leethal
07-13-2013, 12:46 PM
Mavs paid 30 million for 1 extra win.

True Sports Fan
07-13-2013, 12:52 PM
I wish mavs could have gotten al Jefferson at least ...

Calderon
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Jefferson

Would have been a fun team to watch
Too bad Marion is the only above average defender on that team..

Dude seriously every time I scroll through a thread ive posted in and see your posts I have to double take the name to see if it was me.

:laugh2: Yeah, same here. I once was going through a thread and saw one of your posts and was like "wtf, when did I post this?"

Maybe I can look into getting a name change if they are available.

D-Leethal
07-13-2013, 12:53 PM
Stay true bro.

lol, please
07-13-2013, 03:26 PM
:clap:

TrueFan420
07-13-2013, 03:56 PM
:laugh2: Yeah, same here. I once was going through a thread and saw one of your posts and was like "wtf, when did I post this?"

Maybe I can look into getting a name change if they are available.
You'd need to make a new account and theres no need to do anything as drastic as that.

LTBaByyy
07-13-2013, 05:17 PM
Turns out Ellis is only is only making 300,000 dollars more than Mayo

I'll take Ellis. He shows up in the 4th quarter at least and has buzzer beaters

Mayo disappears or turns it over in clutch moments

I thought Mayo was gonna be the next great thing after the first 2 months boy was I wrong

He literally went down hill month by month. Ended up averaging 10 pts a game the 2nd half of the season

AddiX
07-13-2013, 05:58 PM
How did the mavs fall this far, IMO they were a premiere team that knew how to acquire talent. Ever since they let Chandler leave it's been one bad decision after another.

They've gone from chasing deron Williams and Dwight Howard to there big signing being guys like OJ mayo and monta ellis.

xxplayerxx23
07-13-2013, 06:28 PM
Yeah, I am really excited to see the defensive presence of Ellis and Calderon.


You are high if you think they make the playoffs.

Ill save this comment. You can say what you want. Dirk-ellis-Calderon is enough to make it

tredigs
07-13-2013, 07:19 PM
Ill save this comment. You can say what you want. Dirk-ellis-Calderon is enough to make it

Maybe the 12-15th best big, 12th-15th best wing and 20th or so best PG. Dirk, Marion and VC all going on 35+, and the center will be......? I don't know, maybe they'll squeek in and get beat up in the 1st round. It'll be close.

ricky recon
07-13-2013, 08:22 PM
Maybe the 12-15th best big, 12th-15th best wing and 20th or so best PG. Dirk, Marion and VC all going on 35+, and the center will be......? I don't know, maybe they'll squeek in and get beat up in the 1st round. It'll be close.

Name me ten bigs better than Dirk.

TSDN
07-14-2013, 03:18 AM
I like this move really **** Monte and Dirk thats really gonna spread teams out cause you can't leave either one unattended. I'm glad Monte got out of Milwaukee that was nowhere villes for him real talk

Bostonjorge
07-14-2013, 04:55 AM
So dallas is tanking? Top 5 pick next year.

bagwell368
07-14-2013, 08:55 AM
Ellis - volume scorer that can't/won't defend. Thanks to people looking at scoring lines easily one of the 5 most overrated players in the NBA the past 5 seasons - easily. No way he's worth that money.

envymamba24
07-14-2013, 09:09 AM
Ill save this comment. You can say what you want. Dirk-ellis-Calderon is enough to make it

true.. and i hate the mavs. calderon and dirk on the floor together, that IQ, sheesh that offense is gonna run like a machine.

D-Leethal
07-14-2013, 10:32 AM
Monta, Dirk, Jose is nowhere near good enough a "big 3" to carry the rest of the deadweight on that team to the playoffs out West. Vince can play off the bench, but who the hell do they even have? The solid vets on that team are too old to carry the lack of talent across the board. **** sloppy seconds, they are just settling for sloppy 5th and 6ths these past two years. Taking everyones scraps after dismantling a champion. It would have been pretty awesome to watch that Dallas team try to repeat and maintain elite championship status for the last 2 years. Definitely a blemish on the Cuban resume.

Young2Kinsler
07-14-2013, 09:34 PM
Where do they rank in the West? I'm thinking 10 seed or so.

Dallas BARELY missed the playoffs last year with a terrible roster and Dirk missing 30 games. Anyone who thinks this team won't finish in the top 6 in the West is silly

Young2Kinsler
07-14-2013, 09:36 PM
People forget Darren Collison and Mike James were this teams primary PG last year. Having a player like Calderon for Dirk's game will be a welcome fresh air.

ThuglifeJ
07-14-2013, 09:51 PM
Marion looked pretty embarassing last year tho. I'd only imagine things being worse this year with more added age. They also don't have a starting Center, which was just as much of a problem last year as the point guard situation.
I think with them having low expectations again now will help them tho.. Monta I can't predict how that pans out, but overall they will be a better team than last year with Mayo/Collison/Kaman not showing up and Dirk injured.

Problem is the West got some stacked teams. Don't think they can even win a game in a series vs the Rockets, or even Warriors.




If the Mavs get a center somehow through trade tho, like Varajao, Gortat, or someone like that they can be a very good team. You can really start Monta or bring him off the bench (salary or not). Either Dirk and him can play off eachother, or VC can start again to provide defense and size next to Calderon's lack of D. (..imagine 6 years ago saying we were going to take VC from the bench to provide defense)

Guppyfighter
07-14-2013, 10:03 PM
People who think Dallas are good or will be, well, are embarrassing themselves.

Monta makes them a worse team. They will be a bottom eight defensive team.

ThuglifeJ
07-14-2013, 10:13 PM
People who think Dallas are good or will be, well, are embarrassing themselves.

Monta makes them a worse team. They will be a bottom eight defensive team.

Predicting something is embarrassing?

scissors
07-14-2013, 10:46 PM
Marion looked pretty embarassing last year tho. I'd only imagine things being worse this year with more added age. They also don't have a starting Center, which was just as much of a problem last year as the point guard situation.
I think with them having low expectations again now will help them tho.. Monta I can't predict how that pans out, but overall they will be a better team than last year with Mayo/Collison/Kaman not showing up and Dirk injured.

Problem is the West got some stacked teams. Don't think they can even win a game in a series vs the Rockets, or even Warriors.




If the Mavs get a center somehow through trade tho, like Varajao, Gortat, or someone like that they can be a very good team. You can really start Monta or bring him off the bench (salary or not). Either Dirk and him can play off eachother, or VC can start again to provide defense and size next to Calderon's lack of D. (..imagine 6 years ago saying we were going to take VC from the bench to provide defense)

Marion had his best season since 07-08.

JNA17
07-14-2013, 10:49 PM
Name me ten bigs better than Dirk.

Not in order.


Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard*
Roy Hibbert
Tim Duncan
Al Horford
David Lee
Blake Griffin
Zach Randolph
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Joakim Noah
Andrew Bynum (if healthy)
Demarcus Cousins
Pau Gasol (debatable)

After the end of season:
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe*
Andre Drummond

So 13 or 14 players currently better and 3 more after next season. Does that answer your question? XD*

scissors
07-14-2013, 11:03 PM
Not in order.


Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard*
Roy Hibbert
Tim Duncan
Al Horford
David Lee
Blake Griffin
Zach Randolph
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Joakim Noah
Andrew Bynum (if healthy)
Demarcus Cousins
Pau Gasol (debatable)

After the end of season:
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe*
Andre Drummond

So 13 or 14 players currently better and 3 more after next season. Does that answer your question? XD*

You do realizes that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. You have to give reasons they are better. Every single player you listed could not carry a team like Dirk was still able to do last year after returning from injury.

John Walls Era
07-14-2013, 11:13 PM
You do realizes that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. You have to give reasons they are better. Every single player you listed could not carry a team like Dirk was still able to do last year after returning from injury.

You do realize that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. Dirk didn't carry his team to anything last year. The Mavs are a farcry from the days when they still had Chandler.

JNA17
07-14-2013, 11:23 PM
You do realizes that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. You have to give reasons they are better. Every single player you listed could not carry a team like Dirk was still able to do last year after returning from injury.

You do also realize that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. You also to list 10 bigs that are currently better than Dirk. You didn't ask for why or how, just who. Of course, it's opinionated just like your question and just like your last sentence there.

My reasons are simple: Dirk is not what use to be and has declined, Mavs are a shell of the 2011 champs especially when they got rid of Chandler, and most of the bigs I mentioned got A LOT better last season like Noah, Hibbert, Marc Gasol, etc. And they all carried their team much better than Dirk did last season. Dirk carried (if you can even call it that) the Mavs last season to the 10th seed while also regressing in both numbers and skills....great.

tredigs
07-15-2013, 01:28 AM
Ellis - volume scorer that can't/won't defend. Thanks to people looking at scoring lines easily one of the 5 most overrated players in the NBA the past 5 seasons - easily. No way he's worth that money.
The defense calls:

Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and their half Billion in 5 year contracts to the stand.

Orlando's paying Gilbert 22 million next year, and he's not even in the NBA! Yikes.

seikou8
07-15-2013, 01:33 AM
The defense calls:

Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and their half Billion in 5 year contracts to the stand.

Orlando's paying Gilbert 22 million next year, and he's not even in the NBA! Yikes.

to sit on his couch wow

lakers4sho
07-15-2013, 01:50 AM
Do the LT

:dance:

tredigs
07-15-2013, 01:54 AM
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to sit on his couch wow

Just googled him to see what he was up to with all that cash: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2013/06/27/gilbert-arenas-arrested-with-truckload-of-illegal-fireworks-report-says/


Gilbert Arenas’s decision to drive with a load of illegal fireworks in his truck has backfired.

When Arenas, the former Washington Wizards star, was pulled over for speeding early Thursday morning in Los Angeles, authorities discovered that his Ford pickup truck was chockful of illegal fireworks — more than 20 boxes of them, according to TMZ.com. There were so many explosives, in fact, that the Los Angeles Police Department’s bomb squad was called to the scene.


:laugh2: Sounds about right.

Guppyfighter
07-15-2013, 01:55 AM
Predicting something is embarrassing?
Yes, predicting Dallas will make the playoffs is embarrassing.

scissors
07-15-2013, 09:47 AM
You do also realize that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. You also to list 10 bigs that are currently better than Dirk. You didn't ask for why or how, just who. Of course, it's opinionated just like your question and just like your last sentence there.

My reasons are simple: Dirk is not what use to be and has declined, Mavs are a shell of the 2011 champs especially when they got rid of Chandler, and most of the bigs I mentioned got A LOT better last season like Noah, Hibbert, Marc Gasol, etc. And they all carried their team much better than Dirk did last season. Dirk carried (if you can even call it that) the Mavs last season to the 10th seed while also regressing in both numbers and skills....great.

First: I didn't ask you anything. Somebody else did.

Second: You are right about me just stating my opinion but my opinion wasn't being challenged by anybody. Dirk joined an abysmal Mavs team last year. By the time he was at full strength they were 10 games under .500, then the last 44 games they were 27-17. That's on pace for about a 50 win season. You tell me why one of those other bigs could lead a team as terrible as last years Mavs roster to 50 wins. When infact most of them have rosters far stronger than last years Mavs (Dirk withholding) and couldn't do anything special with them.

Third: Carried? Carried means a player far superior to the rest of his team put them on his back. Lebron carried his team last year. Dirk carried his team last year. The bigs you mentioned that accomplished anything last year did so on a roster with talent. Boogie didn't do didly crap. Pau had talent AND could do nothing with it. Horford's team was only 3 games better! Noah's was only 4+.

You are seriously telling me a GS team with Dirk is worse than a GS team with Lee last year? Or the same about Clippers, Lakers or Heat? You cannot be serious. You just looked at the "17 ppg" Dirk had (which indluded games he was playing very low minutes while trying to recover) and thought "oh he sucks now". He shot .414 for 3 on 3.4 att per game. Your telling me that wouldn't make D'Antoni's system better last year than Pau clogging crap up? Or wouldn't stretch the floor better than Bosh. Plus unlike most of those guys you can give Dirk the ball and tell him to go score. And he will.

Young2Kinsler
07-16-2013, 09:28 PM
Not in order.


Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard*
Roy Hibbert questionable
Tim Duncan
Al Horford
David Lee HAHA
Blake Griffin
Zach Randolph questionable
Chris Bosh HAHAHA
Kevin Love
Joakim Noah HAHAHAHAHA
Andrew Bynum (if healthy) HAHAHAHAHAHA
Demarcus Cousins HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Pau Gasol (debatable) HA

After the end of season:
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe*
Andre Drummond

So 13 or 14 players currently better and 3 more after next season. Does that answer your question? XD*

No

Giannis94
07-16-2013, 09:45 PM
The Mavs will regret this 5 games into the season. Montee maybe have-it-all, but he also ter-ri-ball.

ricky recon
07-16-2013, 10:33 PM
Not in order.


Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard*
Roy Hibbert
Tim Duncan
Al Horford
David Lee
Blake Griffin
Zach Randolph
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Joakim Noah
Andrew Bynum (if healthy)
Demarcus Cousins
Pau Gasol (debatable)

After the end of season:
Anthony Davis
Greg Monroe*
Andre Drummond

So 13 or 14 players currently better and 3 more after next season. Does that answer your question? XD*


You do realize that just stating your opinion does not win an argument. Dirk didn't carry his team to anything last year. The Mavs are a farcry from the days when they still had Chandler.

How are these facts for you?

- Out of those 14 guys, in a injury riddled season, he had the 5th best PER. (2012-2013)

- He also had the 5th best TS% (2012-2013)

- He's the only player on the list to have both (besides Duncan) a Finals MVP and MVP (others, outside have Duncan, haven't won either.) Not to mention he won the Finals MVP only two years ago.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=noahjo01&y1=2013&p2=nowitdi01&y2=2013&p3=couside01&y3=2013&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2013&p5=randoza01&y5=2013&p6=gasolma01&y6=2013

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=howardw01&y1=2013&p2=horfoal01&y2=2013&p3=leeda02&y3=2013&p4=loveke01&y4=2013&p5=boshch01&y5=2013&p6=hibbero01&y6=2013

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2013&p2=griffbl01&y2=2013

Basically, 10 better players my ***.

ricky recon
07-16-2013, 10:40 PM
Marion looked pretty embarassing last year tho. I'd only imagine things being worse this year with more added age.

This is basically the opposite of reality.

18.0 PER with 30 minutes a game? Not to mention being the best defensive player on the team (2nd best DRTG for players with 500+ minutes)

Sign me up for embarrasing

ricky recon
07-16-2013, 10:48 PM
People who think Dallas are good or will be, well, are embarrassing themselves.

Monta makes them a worse team. They will be a bottom eight defensive team.

This is just about as bold, loaded, and quite honestly arrogant statements about a team with proven players, it can get.

That stab at Monta was pretty ridiculous as well. This forum has rated him 5th, 6th, and 6th best SG in the league for the last 3 years. Last year he played with a ball dominating PG and it was destined for failure. This year he'll be playing with the opposite, a pass-first PG. Throw in the fact he'll be coached by one of the finest coaches the league has to offer and Dirk being a stretch 4 should open up the paint a lot, and he's basically set up for success.

ricky recon
07-16-2013, 10:58 PM
Dirk carried (if you can even call it that) the Mavs last season to the 10th seed while also regressing in both numbers and skills....great.

He started in 47 games. It took him a while to find his groove again, and when he did, the Mavs finished off the year 29-18, and he still finished 5th in PER (out of those guys you claimed to be better) even after stinking it up for a couple weeks.

To put things in perspective, a 29-18 record is equal to a 61.7 winning PCT%, which, had they won at that same clip throughout the year, they would have been good for the 6 seed.

Now they have a legit pass first PG, and a better SG who doesn't refuse to take it to the paint, and who who was completely unefficient last year.

Give me a ****ing break.

Guppyfighter
07-17-2013, 03:42 AM
This is just about as bold, loaded, and quite honestly arrogant statements about a team with proven players, it can get.

That stab at Monta was pretty ridiculous as well. This forum has rated him 5th, 6th, and 6th best SG in the league for the last 3 years. Last year he played with a ball dominating PG and it was destined for failure. This year he'll be playing with the opposite, a pass-first PG. Throw in the fact he'll be coached by one of the finest coaches the league has to offer and Dirk being a stretch 4 should open up the paint a lot, and he's basically set up for success.

Jose is a marginal upgrade over Collinson. Superior offensively, but much worse defensively.

Monta is also very, very bad at basketball.

If you think playing with Ellis and Calderon as your guards will not result in a bottom 25 team defense you have another thing coming.


Over the last ten years, top defensive teams have won more games than top offensive teams. Being a bad defensive team doesn't get you to the playoffs unless you are at least top four in offense. The Mavericks won't be top four in offense next year. They will be around 12th-15th with one of the worst defenses in the league.

Guppyfighter
07-17-2013, 03:42 AM
He started in 47 games. It took him a while to find his groove again, and when he did, the Mavs finished off the year 29-18, and he still finished 5th in PER (out of those guys you claimed to be better) even after stinking it up for a couple weeks.

To put things in perspective, a 29-18 record is equal to a 61.7 winning PCT%, which, had they won at that same clip throughout the year, they would have been good for the 6 seed.

Now they have a legit pass first PG, and a better SG who doesn't refuse to take it to the paint, and who who was completely unefficient last year.

Give me a ****ing break.

You now have a shooting guard completely inefficient in a different way. Congrats.

asandhu23
07-17-2013, 03:58 AM
oh Guppy Shuppy.

Crackadalic
07-17-2013, 04:02 AM
10 mil for an inefficient gunner. Good stuff

ricky recon
07-17-2013, 12:54 PM
Jose is a marginal upgrade over Collinson. Superior offensively, but much worse defensively.

Monta is also very, very bad at basketball.

If you think playing with Ellis and Calderon as your guards will not result in a bottom 25 team defense you have another thing coming.


Over the last ten years, top defensive teams have won more games than top offensive teams. Being a bad defensive team doesn't get you to the playoffs unless you are at least top four in offense. The Mavericks won't be top four in offense next year. They will be around 12th-15th with one of the worst defenses in the league.

1.) Wrong. Monta Ellis is not bad at basketball. His player efficiency rating is much better than OJ Mayo, and has been much better than Mayo every single year they have been in the league. He takes it to the paint more and turns the ball over less. Simple saber-metrics prove that.

2.) Wrong. If you think that your starting point guard and shooting guard alone will make your team a "bottom 25" (which I'm assuming you meant to say 'not in the top 25', because the 6th best defense would be in the 'bottom 25') you're completely misinformed. Defense is a team theory.

3.) Wrong. You cannot predict the future.

ricky recon
07-17-2013, 01:05 PM
You now have a shooting guard completely inefficient in a different way. Congrats.


10 mil for an inefficient gunner. Good stuff

His TOV% was better than Harden's last year, and his career TS% is 52.6%. To give a comparison, Wade's is 56.7%.

He's really not inefficient. His career player effecient rating is 16.8, which is better than Joe Johnson, JR Smith, Eric Gordon, and Paul George (career).

You're really overstating his "inefficiency" just because he's been good on mediocre teams.

ThuglifeJ
07-17-2013, 02:51 PM
Look I'm a big supporter of the Mavericks franchise. But I'm not even all that giddy about signing Monta Ellis.
sure he's a name, and he's better than friggin OJ Mayo, but let's not act like he's grown a ton as a person and is not gonna piss us off half the season. I like Ellis' game but fact is he's not all that great, just exciting, which is why it's good they still have Dirk and guys like Carter, Calderon, Marion to clean up the stupidity Ellis brings.

He's an upgrade over Mayo, but let's not hype it yet Mavs fans.

Collison being replaced by Calderon on the other hand is exciting to me. I don't even care about the defensive drop, Mavs tend to play team defense and zones a lot (need a C tho). Collison, ignoring his decent stats, was the focal point of the Mav's failures last season. He was afraid and indecisive every trip down the floor every game. He was worried about making mistakes every procession, in which he ended up making 1000 mistakes. Then he trots back looking at the coach like "oh shooot sorrrryy how did that happen??" and then Carlisle would flip out on him at timeouts for not getting back after messing up. He got replaced by Mike James and Derrick Fisher...nuff said. Calderon isn't great but he's a good PG to have you can't deny that.



but this is all w.e. Mavs always have had random wings and guards, they still get enough of the job done,where the real issue lays is at the Center position. Without that, non of these signings matter imo.

Guppyfighter
07-17-2013, 04:13 PM
His TOV% was better than Harden's last year, and his career TS% is 52.6%. To give a comparison, Wade's is 56.7%.

He's really not inefficient. His career player effecient rating is 16.8, which is better than Joe Johnson, JR Smith, Eric Gordon, and Paul George (career).

You're really overstating his "inefficiency" just because he's been good on mediocre teams.

His career TS doesn't really matter because he has been getting worse and worse since Sophomore year. He's been bad on mediocre teams. Not good on them.

PER is a bad stat. It's an aggregate. Not a stat. WS/48 shows he has a negative impact on winning. He hasn't put up a positive WS/48 since his sophomore year. Yes, the Mavericks will be one of the worst defenses in the entire league with Jose Calderon and Monta Ellis. Both are really god awful defenders.

ll_eric_ll
07-17-2013, 04:33 PM
His career TS doesn't really matter because he has been getting worse and worse since Sophomore year. He's been bad on mediocre teams. Not good on them.

PER is a bad stat. It's an aggregate. Not a stat. WS/48 shows he has a negative impact on winning. He hasn't put up a positive WS/48 since his sophomore year. Yes, the Mavericks will be one of the worst defenses in the entire league with Jose Calderon and Monta Ellis. Both are really god awful defenders.

haja this guy right here,... look, I completely disagree with all of your posts lol,.. but if you just so happen to be slighty right, the i guess well just have to outscore everyone on the offensive end,.. :D

ll_eric_ll
07-17-2013, 04:34 PM
Look I'm a big supporter of the Mavericks franchise. But I'm not even all that giddy about signing Monta Ellis.
sure he's a name, and he's better than friggin OJ Mayo, but let's not act like he's grown a ton as a person and is not gonna piss us off half the season. I like Ellis' game but fact is he's not all that great, just exciting, which is why it's good they still have Dirk and guys like Carter, Calderon, Marion to clean up the stupidity Ellis brings.

He's an upgrade over Mayo, but let's not hype it yet Mavs fans.

Collison being replaced by Calderon on the other hand is exciting to me. I don't even care about the defensive drop, Mavs tend to play team defense and zones a lot (need a C tho). Collison, ignoring his decent stats, was the focal point of the Mav's failures last season. He was afraid and indecisive every trip down the floor every game. He was worried about making mistakes every procession, in which he ended up making 1000 mistakes. Then he trots back looking at the coach like "oh shooot sorrrryy how did that happen??" and then Carlisle would flip out on him at timeouts for not getting back after messing up. He got replaced by Mike James and Derrick Fisher...nuff said. Calderon isn't great but he's a good PG to have you can't deny that.



but this is all w.e. Mavs always have had random wings and guards, they still get enough of the job done,where the real issue lays is at the Center position. Without that, non of these signings matter imo.
x2

AnthonyTyrael
07-17-2013, 04:42 PM
Look I'm a big supporter of the Mavericks franchise. But I'm not even all that giddy about signing Monta Ellis.
sure he's a name, and he's better than friggin OJ Mayo, but let's not act like he's grown a ton as a person and is not gonna piss us off half the season. I like Ellis' game but fact is he's not all that great, just exciting, which is why it's good they still have Dirk and guys like Carter, Calderon, Marion to clean up the stupidity Ellis brings.

He's an upgrade over Mayo, but let's not hype it yet Mavs fans.

Collison being replaced by Calderon on the other hand is exciting to me. I don't even care about the defensive drop, Mavs tend to play team defense and zones a lot (need a C tho). Collison, ignoring his decent stats, was the focal point of the Mav's failures last season. He was afraid and indecisive every trip down the floor every game. He was worried about making mistakes every procession, in which he ended up making 1000 mistakes. Then he trots back looking at the coach like "oh shooot sorrrryy how did that happen??" and then Carlisle would flip out on him at timeouts for not getting back after messing up. He got replaced by Mike James and Derrick Fisher...nuff said. Calderon isn't great but he's a good PG to have you can't deny that.



but this is all w.e. Mavs always have had random wings and guards, they still get enough of the job done,where the real issue lays is at the Center position. Without that, non of these signings matter imo.

+1

GiantsSwaGG
07-17-2013, 04:44 PM
Do the LT

:dance:

Ayeeeeeeeee

GiantsSwaGG
07-17-2013, 04:45 PM
10 mil for an inefficient gunner. Good stuff

He can't shoot 3's to save his life, his jumper as a whole is shakey

ricky recon
07-17-2013, 04:45 PM
His career TS doesn't really matter because he has been getting worse and worse since Sophomore year. He's been bad on mediocre teams. Not good on them.

PER is a bad stat. It's an aggregate. Not a stat. WS/48 shows he has a negative impact on winning. He hasn't put up a positive WS/48 since his sophomore year. Yes, the Mavericks will be one of the worst defenses in the entire league with Jose Calderon and Monta Ellis. Both are really god awful defenders.

...and that's why the Bucks were a playoff team last year.

JordansBulls
07-19-2013, 03:36 PM
Is he going to start or is Vince going to?